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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 10:53 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1060536347" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....36347</A><p>More info from AutoExpress:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=52500" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n...52500</A><p><b>Meet BMW's New 3-Max</b><p><i>Forget about the Ford Focus C-MAX - fashionable families on the move look set to head straight for the BMW '3-MAX' when it arrives in showrooms. Exclusive first images of the 3-Series-based people carrier in this week's mag show the car is set to bring a new dimension to the German firm's range with its innovative barn-style doors and seven seats.<p>While the newcomer has still to be officially christened, it's known inside BMW as the RFK - short for 'raum funktionales konzept', or functional space concept. It will be the first MPV to wear the blue propeller badge and, as our images show, it uses a number of the company's traditional styling cues. Note the 'flame-sided' panels, and headlights in the mould of the smaller 1-Series.<p>But the 3 MPV seen in the mag will have a couple of other radical new features to go with its double doors. First, the car will be four-wheel drive. Our spies have already caught mules testing the new model's chassis - as revealed in issue 824 - and they clearly showed how the MPV will benefit from a development of the xDrive system fitted to the X3 and X5 SUVs. It will also have a versatile interior, with seating plans that will make the most of the car's long wheelbase. <p>The BMW will offer drivers a choice of six or seven-seat cabins, with the former expected to be the preferred choice, as it will offer greater luxury and individual passenger space. The seating layout will be diverse, with sliding and removable chairs that fold into the rear deck, giving a flat load bay if necessary.<p>Engine choices will closely follow those of the forthcoming 3-Series, with the top-selling cars powered by either 2.0-litre diesel or 2.2-litre petrol units. A new 2.4-litre four-cylinder Valvetronic petrol motor is also tipped to figure prominently in the line-up. <p>Six-cylinder 2.6 and 3.0-litre petrol models are likely, while diesel fans will be catered for by a 3.0-litre straight-six or the new 3.5-litre V8, which makes its debut this month in the 5-Series. <p>With an expected entry-level price of around 26,000, the car will battle the forthcoming Mercedes R-Class and Audi Q7 in a new luxury compact MPV sector. However, it will be longer and lower than its rivals, a look that will mark it out as a sporty alternative. A performance iS variant has not been ruled out, but it's unlikely that a hot model would appear at launch. That's because BMW will be focusing on stealing sales from SUV rivals such as the Land Rover Discovery and Mercedes M-Class. Owners who've chosen a 4x4 for practicality rather than off-road ability will be key targets.<p>But even the base-model 3-Series MPV promises to be a great driver's car. The engineers will work hard to ensure it has near-perfect weight distribution, while the steering and handling balance will be up to the dynamic standards we have come to expect from the firm.<p>Bosses are remaining tight-lipped about the model's debut, saying only that it doesn't figure in the manufacturer's plans for the next two years. That means the car will probably be revealed in concept form at 2007's Geneva Motor Show, with a view to reaching full-scale production in time for the Frankfurt exhibition in the autumn of that year.</i><p>Same pics as the autobild ones. Hmm anyone see them mule spy pics? ???<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SCOTT26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The pictures are roughly 94,95% correct.<br>True the scale is wrong but not the height this thing sits long and low ,again this is why I say R-Klasse looks like a Minivan compared to the RFK . The rear picture of the car is more to scale.<p>You cannot see the front details very well such as the front headlamps that curve into the front of the car to the prominent stand out twin kidney grille. Think similar to angle of Ford Mustang.<p>The RFK will be positioned as another sporting product from BMW. we make sport sedans, coupes , tourings and SUV's we will not be different with the RFK.<p>The RFK is seen as a niche product much in the vein of the X5 as well as filling out the product folio with our usual products. BMW are developing a portfolio of unique " mobile communication statements " The design does the talking in this portfolio of models. which will appear in our long term strategy including unique groundbreaking ideas . The X coupe was not just a styling exercise that concept still has an agenda.<p>Of course though the most exciting thing to look forward to is 2006's hottest car - The 2 series coupe and convertible , although based on the 1er a totally different character and experience- it will be BMW's entry sports coupe/cabrio. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60184.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60185.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A><p>continue the discussion here, a concept is planned for NAIAS 05.

geary
12-21-2004, 05:08 AM
Doesn't look to bad. Not a MPV in Huckfelt's, thats for sure.<p>I tell you what doesn't look good though. Check the guys face in the first 'Auto Bild' rendition...

bm88
12-21-2004, 11:59 AM
<IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60185.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: Autobild<p>I cant help but think that the rear lights are Audi.<p>They look so similar to the A3 SportBack's IMO.

RS
12-22-2004, 03:23 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img.stern.de/_content/53/20/532065/750BMW-Van_750.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: stern.de

knihc2008
12-22-2004, 03:30 PM
hehe everyone knows how the back looks like but the front is anyone's guess.<p>just post that leaked photo back up!

knihc2008
12-22-2004, 04:14 PM
this one: <A HREF="http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34307" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bimmerfest.com/foru...34307</A>

Hornbag
12-25-2004, 08:33 PM
In the 2005 ML class i said that i praise BMW for producing exiting looking cars, if there cars look anything like this one, well ill hope they go bankrupt, because i for one dont want this being copied and translated into other car makes! OMG, its hideous, the back, the side, its all to overdone, and doesnt flow. The 5 series looks so nice, take inspiration from it. I doubt anyone would buy the '3Max' over the C-Max if it looks like this!!!!!!

RikfromBelgium
12-26-2004, 02:01 PM
Don't know about the front. You can see they're in the dark there. But I loooove the rear. It looks amazing, so alive.<br>Just like Scott26 said " It makes the R-class look like a Van"

scott26
01-01-2005, 11:10 AM
Yes it does look like a MINIVAN - even the interior . The RFK dash is a cross between the Z4 and the 7er . Compact and minimalist with lounge furniture and interior design undertones.<p> Which for the Z4 compared to the Boxster and SLK has the best dash design for a roadster.

spwolf
01-01-2005, 03:59 PM
Hmph, only thing that is wrong with design is that car seems small - where are the 3rd row seats supposed to go?<p>This thing looks like glorified wagon, and looks pretty good for one... I just dont see the MPV part.

Top Secret
01-01-2005, 06:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS Genesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://img.stern.de/_content/53/20/532065/750BMW-Van_750.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: stern.de</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I like the front! It looks good, in tune with the current lineup but with enough change to recognize it from other BMW's. But the rear however, bit too funky for me, I dunno what's up wih that D-Pillar. And BTW, I wouldn't think BMW would have the car have suicide doors.

Hornbag
01-01-2005, 06:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I like the front! It looks good, in tune with the current lineup but with enough change to recognize it from other BMW's. But the rear however, bit too funky for me</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree. The front is amazing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> , so clean and fresh, and just as Top Secret said, in tune with the current BMW design. i think my post above all i looked at was the rear and nearly <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> cos its that hideous. Its to overdone, Beemer can do better.

Reppu
01-02-2005, 03:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS Genesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://img.stern.de/_content/53/20/532065/750BMW-Van_750.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>I wish the 5er headlights were like this.....<p>There's one thing that absolutely doesn't work with this design: where's the kink? No way that third window will make it, at least for me.

RikfromBelgium
01-02-2005, 12:54 PM
I new I remembered that strange glow on the headlights. This last one is made from one of the official 3 series pictures.

scott26
03-14-2005, 12:44 PM
The first engineering prototypes are being developed on extended 5er Tourings and 7ers. The RFK is a very exciting product for BMW because they know that when the RFK arrives in 08. The R-Klasse will be established . They see as history with the X5 over the M-Klasse - a Demolition of sales - Not only will BMW offer a vehicle that is unique not only in design but in handling , Construction , interior but also technology .<p>BMW have taken a new approach to this segment and are hoping to reap the rewards when the car goes on sale .<p>The RFK will also be the signal to the forthcoming 7er in 09. Along with full integration of idrive apart from major functions . The RFK will also spear head idrive functions that will download into the key from home of office terminals so all settings are stored for each user of the car - This include vehicle settings , seats , routes , Drive preparation The RFK will also enhance the BMW design language forward it will be a post modern futuristic vehicle , a Carbon fibre roof will entail low centre of gravity . BMW do not want the RFK to have the top line powerplants and leave it at that. They want the car to be a BMW a new progression for BMW but it has to have the character and ability so desired in a BMW. <p>The RFK is expected to run on V8 and twin turbo V8 petrol and diesel the top engine will be a twin turbo V10 diesel tuned for performance developed from the current V10 and Whilst other manufacturers are looking at super wagons BMW reckon this would be commercial suicide. BMW will whet the appetite for the RFK with a concept for this years IAA . <p>BMW are keen to preview the concept as they want to show that they are not developing a " Van".

RikfromBelgium
03-14-2005, 01:24 PM
That's it, I'm going to Frankfurt <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
03-14-2005, 03:43 PM
It looks pretty damn nice - but where exactly is versatility in that picture? It looks like facelifted estate version of 5... (i know I am repeating myself but I have checked this thread month ago).

toontoy
03-14-2005, 05:15 PM
I like the front end but every time i see it I think Hyundai Elantra wagon from 2000. call me crazy but that is what it reminds me of all the time.

Superfresa
03-14-2005, 06:57 PM
I like the direction this project is taking. All of the renditions seem pretty good looking to me up to now, despite that it's the first time that Huckfeldt seems to be a bit far off (he's ususally the most precise one - not this time).<p>Will this be AWD too?

CalinG7
03-15-2005, 01:13 PM
In all these renderings the RFK looks like a 5-series wagon, nothing more, nothing less. What exactly is the point?

RikfromBelgium
03-15-2005, 01:15 PM
that's because most of these renderings are ****e and out of proportion.

JAZZYG
03-15-2005, 05:04 PM
scott26, because you seem to be familiar with this car, I hope you don't mind me asking; how is this car generally going to look like? you say it's not going to look like a van but is it going to look something similar to the audi Q7 i.e sporty station wagon- like with all wheel drive and SUV height?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

scott26
03-15-2005, 06:17 PM
If you see the first images the ones that were seized upon by BMW . <br>This is the overall look and proportions of the RFK - Minor details are still being fine tuned but the overall look is what you see .<p>However do not expect the mismatch photoshoped front ends you see. Nothing like the final car. Why this is not to be seen as a Van?<p>BMW will make it handle like a car and the overall look is like a sleek higher wagon . The sloping upwards bonnet that looks like a Van will not appear but a sleek car like bonnet. The overall look is the sleek images that are in pevious thread. Although X-drive will be available it will not look like a SUV or SAV or in the future CAV.<p>BMW are very excited about the RFK . Jaws dropped when the seen this as design model for the first time.<br>Hence the decision to throw all technology at it's direction.

erzhik
03-15-2005, 06:25 PM
I think this is more like Audi Allroad Quattro rival...

Top Secret
03-16-2005, 12:50 AM
So this car will be like an R-Class competitor right? Fair enough - but I dunno if this car will be so 'important' as in sales figures, more like brand image. These cars are 'niche-market' vehicles, nothing more, nothing less.

T.B.
03-16-2005, 07:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So this car will be like an R-Class competitor right? Fair enough - but I dunno if this car will be so 'important' as in sales figures, more like brand image. These cars are 'niche-market' vehicles, nothing more, nothing less.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>SAV's (sporty SUV's) were also the niche-market products in the very begining. But look them now: a mainstream. A niche produkt can evolve to mainstram. You never know ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
03-16-2005, 09:11 AM
It's amazing how BMW are spoiling their fans. We already had some pretty darn exciting years since the 7 series came out, but it just keeps going and going. Every year, for untill 2008 new and exciting models will apppear. And in 2009 ...... it starts all over again <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>This X-coup, along with the RFK, certainly looks very promising

T.B.
03-16-2005, 09:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This X-coup, along with the RFK, certainly looks very promising</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't forget the 2er and the 4er. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
03-16-2005, 11:27 AM
Is it going to be 7 seater? It doesnt look from those pics. What about price? 5 series range or?<p>Lot of new/different models is great thing for BMW lovers...

Charger
04-02-2005, 07:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fcuke</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34307" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60184.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60185.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/BMW-Sportvan-v-final_450.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/BMW-Sportvan-h-final4_450.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/BMW-1-Sportvan-final_450.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Has anyone got some more information on this? Is it just a concept? How will it really look like? Those images are just Photoshop impressions i think. I think it looks good. It's abit weird that image that looks like a 1-series, but hey. I'm looking forward to more pictures on this one! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>

Roadster44
04-02-2005, 08:21 AM
Don't think the taillights would look like that. Just like in 3er case BMW will change them from what originally was planned.

Comrade
05-06-2005, 08:53 AM
Autozeitung calls it the "F5"<br>Does anyone here get this magazine to scan these renderings?:<p><br><A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/pages/aktuelles_heft/images/ah_1005.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozeitung.de/page...5.jpg</A>

scott26
05-06-2005, 12:36 PM
That's the design the board has chosen - 100 % <p>As for product name - choices of R5 , F5 , S5 were chosen but they sound like competitors and Star Wars robots. <p>that is why the initial choice is V5. - Variable , versatile but in no way a Van.<p>The R-Klasse will have a very short honeymoon. <br>The V5 is no way similar to the R.

T.B.
05-06-2005, 01:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's the design the board has chosen - 100 % <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>But, Scott, last time you said Hucfeldt's impressions were almost dead on. <br>You've also described the car's front - it sounded like Huckfeld's CGI.<p>And now AutoZeitung CGI looks almost like the picture AutoExpress claimed a X4. You've said at that time the front end of that X4 CGI is basicly a new X5's front. Now you claim that is a V5. <p>I'm a bit confused ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

scott26
05-06-2005, 01:23 PM
They were still tweaking the design.<br>The first one was first conceived but BMW board wanted something more with an identity . Now that the X4 has been cancelled due to the conception of the X6 SAC ( Sport Activity Coupe) . The designers are mixing and matching - But the board settled on the more rakish orientated design as it will of course be emphasising it's sporty nature.

Ascariss
05-06-2005, 01:26 PM
So the X6 is a go? What's the actual idea? a 4x4 coupe? or another suv? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

scott26
05-06-2005, 01:48 PM
It's a low roofed SUV with sleek shallow glass area . It's sleeker and lower than the X5 with a coupe like roof and Space for four .

JAZZYG
05-06-2005, 02:02 PM
Scott 26,<br> I don't know if you've seen the daewoo/chevrolet T2X concept unveiled at this years seoul auto show (if not, take a look at the concept cars link on the main menu). Does this concept car in some way give us an idea of waht the X6 will be like? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

T.B.
05-06-2005, 02:10 PM
H. Panke said once there had been no competitin for X6 yet - mentioning acura RD-x (2002) concept as the best idea yet. You've mentioned Range Rover Sport Concept as a "role model". <p>So, what can we expect from X6? Will it be an Infiniti FX competitor? What market does BMW target with this SAC car? <p>And, finally - yes, what about Chevrolet T2X - is X6 idea any similar?<p>TX2 pics:<br><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/202461_4275cc75b3340.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/202459_4275cc744f168.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...8.jpg</A><br> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 11:28 PM 5/6/2005</i>

badman
05-07-2005, 02:43 PM
Got the Auto Zeitung magazine today. Here are the images. Excuse the bad quality, I don't have a scanner handy, so my camera had to do. :)<p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//f5.front.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//f5.back.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>Looks really good, I like it a lot.<p><br><i>Modified by badman at 12:23 AM 5/8/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 3:29 PM 5/8/2005</i>

badman
05-07-2005, 07:25 PM
According to the article, the following engines should be available:<p>2.3i 177HP / 2.5i 218 HP / 3.0i 258 HP / 5.0i 367 HP / 3.0d 231 HP / 3.5d 277 HP / 4.5d 300 HP

scott26
05-08-2005, 03:05 AM
wait a minute this is not the RFK (V5) this is the V3 proposal .<p>The above is the picture of the RFK this new one is the V3 (RFK) (S).<p>The 3er based model - not the shoulder line - the rear and the conventional estate like look . This is the proposal for the V3.<p>The fronts are similar because of new family designation.<p>More later.<br>

T.B.
05-08-2005, 03:29 AM
Scott, so V5's rear and profile (with suicide doors) will be like Huckfeldt's CGI, but the front will be X4-ish and similar to this V3 proposal?<p>What about X6? Any similarity to Chevrolet T2X idea (lokk my previous post for links to pics)? <p>

MrMGMan
05-08-2005, 02:28 PM
If the renderings of this new BMW are anything to go by, it looks like they've been 'borrowing' some styling ideas from their former British subsidiary at Longbridge. The treatment of the rear pillars and windscreen look suspiciously like those seen on styling prototype's of MG Rover's aborted RD/X60 project from 2003.<p> <IMG SRC="http://austin-rover.co.uk/images/rd60_01.jpg" BORDER="0">

Pedigreepaul
05-09-2005, 01:16 PM
What I can see is that the renders aren't that much different.. They all use the same styling elements, so I think these renders are telling us the truth..<p>Only time will tell..

brownjigga
05-12-2005, 02:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it going to be 7 seater? It doesnt look from those pics. What about price? 5 series range or?<p>Lot of new/different models is great thing for BMW lovers...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>its a 5 seater<p>also in moter trend it says this<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">..."a new segment" combining innovative seating, dynamic performance and the "distinct apperance of a coupe" with an all-wheel drive platform shared with the next generation X-5 SAV....the V5... more wheelbase than the new X5....and 195 inches in overall length.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Reppu
05-16-2005, 12:33 AM
As some of you may know, i work for Eurocopter Spain, which is part of EADS. Eurocopter facilities in Germany are located in Munich, hometown of BMW. <p>A colleague of mine who works there, knows my likings and usually tells me when he sees something strange or in disguise (but he doesn't like cars himself). He sent me last friday an e-mail telling me he saw a car in disguise he didn't recognize but looked like a BMW. I sent him renderings of the RFK, as well as the spy pics we have of the X5, M5 touring and 4 series. Guess what? He wrote me this morning answering that what he saw was the RFK!!!<p>These are his words: 'When I look at the photos (especially the side view), I think it could have been the RFK. I remember this strange rear part (with this half side window), but I thought it was only because of the disguise.(definitely was no X.)<p>Might there already be some prototypes driving around Munich? What do you think?<p> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Reppu at 11:58 AM 5/16/2005</i>

Gisle-mann
07-04-2005, 09:42 AM
According to the Mule driving around Nrburgring, the V-class have to be ..... big! Huge! Compare the 7-series headlights to the rest of the platform it have to be as big as the 7-serie! If so, it can be a interesting MPV! The world's first real Familyracer? Opel's OPC doesn't count ... it is too small for a real 7-seater!

drugmirko
07-05-2005, 11:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> He sent me last friday an e-mail telling me he saw a car in disguise he didn't recognize but looked like a BMW. <br>Might there already be some prototypes driving around Munich? What do you think?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gisle-mann</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">According to the Mule driving around Nrburgring, the V-class have to be ..... big! Huge! Compare the 7-series headlights to the rest of the platform it have to be as big as the 7-serie! If so, it can be a interesting MPV! The world's first real Familyracer? Opel's OPC doesn't count ... it is too small for a real 7-seater! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well... these mule photos poped out on net fiew weeks ago, together with these render... how comme nobody posted them yet?<p>mule:<br><A HREF="http://img246.echo.cx/img246/7707/image9wc.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img246.echo.cx/img246/7707/image9wc.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img246.echo.cx/img246/8979/14eq.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img246.echo.cx/img246/8979/14eq.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img246.echo.cx/img246/8400/25gm.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img246.echo.cx/img246/8400/25gm.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img246.echo.cx/img246/8389/33ws.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img246.echo.cx/img246/8389/33ws.jpg</A><p>render, labeled as Crossover:<br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9687_CGZNHXKIALXTZ.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...Z.jpg</A><p>eh.... just saw a whole debate about them in concept thread... ignore this post...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by drugmirko at 12:09 PM 7/5/2005</i>

AM2K
07-05-2005, 02:07 PM
Well these pictures are present in the X6 thread. I think there's a bit of confusion over these two model lines, and what exactly this vehicle is testing..

StevenZoz
07-13-2005, 05:04 PM
<A HREF="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/StevenZoz/scan0006.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albu...6.jpg</A><p>SOURCE: Car and Driver, Aug. 2005

scott26
07-14-2005, 05:40 AM
NO,NO,NO ........................

Gisle-mann
07-16-2005, 09:09 AM
What NO,NO,NO ? I think the render is ... OK! Works for me .... and would I buy this one? Yes!

husseindesign
07-16-2005, 09:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gisle-mann</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What NO,NO,NO ? I think the render is ... OK! Works for me .... and would I buy this one? Yes!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>NO,No,No means it won't look like this.

Gisle-mann
08-28-2005, 09:02 AM
What will it look like then? Any ideas floating around? Pics? And what else is new exept for that it will come with all of BMW's already known engines and transmission. Pluss 4x4. Any other news?

Arturo
11-05-2005, 05:34 PM
<IMG SRC="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/StevenZoz/scan0006.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I like what I see, I do hate the name though. The car has certainly no V5 engine and is - at least I hope so - not a Volvo V50 clone. Can't the guys at BMW come up with a better name?

Top Secret
11-05-2005, 05:45 PM
What other letter would they use then? X and Z is used by BMW, and R, S, C, M, E, A and B is used by MB.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Arturo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The car has certainly no V5 engine</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Of course it doesn't. Does that mean the X5 has an X5 engine? Strange logic my friend.

Ascariss
11-05-2005, 05:49 PM
please don't start new threads:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12324&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=1</A><p>

Arturo
11-07-2005, 04:17 PM
Although some people almost crucified me for saying so, I still hate the V5 name. BMW doesn't like it to be mentioned as a minivan. But what would one's first impression be when reading the nameplate? Van 5, of course.<p>If I had to pick a name, I would make a reference to the touring (estate) models, so name it T5. (There might only be some legal dispute with Volvo, as that's what they call sporty S60s and V70s)

DSC-OFF
04-05-2006, 07:04 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autozeitung.de/pages/aktuelles_heft/images/ah_0806.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/pages/aktuelles_heft/images/ah_0806.jpg" TARGET="_blank">AutoZeitung</A><br> <br>

enit
04-06-2006, 03:26 AM
Any comments? Scott?

salebg
04-28-2006, 08:46 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoplus.fr/news/couv/INTM-6P4LCY/$file/couve.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoplus.fr/news/co...e.jpg</A>

scott26
04-28-2006, 12:51 PM
That is a van with windows or at close a Minivan MPV similar to Renault Scenic class.<br>Unfortunately they are out of this one. <br>The proposed V3 undergoes internal name of "CoupeSpace" in which overall shape is similar to a fastback coupe shape think the very old Audi 100 Avant but a much lower roof line and shallow glass area. CoupeSpace is a mixture of Coupe and MPV - Space is of course not the issue here but the BMW approach of defying convention and thinking out of the box . The V3 will of course sit below the RFK (V5) which will be much sportier than it's Mercedes-Benz Rival the R-Klasse. So don't expect the V3 to be a rival for the B-Klasse - They will be worlds apart.

enit
04-28-2006, 05:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So don't expect the V3 to be a rival for the B-Klasse - They will be worlds apart. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What about Audi Roadjet? Will it be a rival for V3?<p>

against the wall
04-28-2006, 07:51 PM
how about an unveiling or release date?

enit
04-30-2006, 06:25 AM
V5, V3 or just Huckfeldt's wet dream?<p><A HREF="http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rfk0ti.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5720/rfk0ti.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>"BMW are making wagon-cum-coupe - an alternative to van vehicles."<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by enit at 5:54 PM 4/30/2006</i>

against the wall
04-30-2006, 07:00 AM
bmw should definetly hire huckfeldt...

Nurburgring
04-30-2006, 07:04 AM
So will this be an R-Class competitor? And, yes BMW should hire Huckfeldt. Bangle and Huckfeldt would be the best combo of designers in the automotive industry.

Comrade
04-30-2006, 08:10 AM
Ooooh that looks good! The front end is more upright than most crossovers' and the hood doesn't slope down like the one on the R-class or most other vehicles of this type, it's almost horizontal. -That gives it lots of presence and presence is what any car in this segment lacks. I hope Huckfeldt is close on this one.

enit
04-30-2006, 03:50 PM
AutoZeitung's impressions of V5 & V3:<p><A HREF="http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt34an4dv.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6936/unbenannt34an4dv.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><A HREF="http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt49bx1xr.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1667/unbenannt49bx1xr.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

enit
05-03-2006, 03:36 AM
This time Huckfeldt was smoking something ...<p>His latest impression of LSC:<p><br><IMG SRC="http://media.autobild.de/bild/8/beb1a599c0899e4c10aa2e73b1958048_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <br><IMG SRC="http://media.autobild.de/bild/D/c97120bf2cdf2ef2d32938ccd83077bd_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Highlights from AutoBild article:<p><br> BMW dropped the idea of building smaller RFK (V3)<br> only large RFK will be build under internal name of "Luxury Sports Cruiser" (a mix of wagon, coupe & luxury sedan)<br> LSC will be launched in the end of 2009 and will aim at Euro markets<br> it will be based on next generation 5er touring (coming in 2010)<br> LSC will be larger than 5er touring, and more luxurious<br> much more sportier than MB R-class<br> higher seating position than 5er Touring, but lower than upcoming X6 SAC<br> 5m long, 1.55 high, 0.31cw, 4 seats (5th seat only provisional), 600 - 1500L luggage space, 18"-21" rims<br> xDrive optional<br> basis weight under 2,000kg<br> engines: 3.0i 258 PS  3.0S(x)i 306 PS  4.4S(x)i 408 PS  2.5d 204 PS  3.0(x)d 245 PS  3.5(x)d 300 PS<br> V8 diesel possible, as well as M version<br> 6-gang manual or automatic (no DCT)<br> price 5,000 more as 5er Touring<br> planned sales: 50.000 - 70.000 per year<br>

geary
05-03-2006, 03:58 AM
Oh, no, Huckfeldt. Say it aint so.

scott26
05-03-2006, 12:44 PM
That is too "current" for 2009 it will not look like that - interesting here is that these are concept design ideas - not officially chosen but ideas.<br>The front lights are similar but the V will receive BMW's new interpretation of the twin kidney grille because the new shape forms and molds the front end of the car. The shape is chosen you have already seen it but the details are being evaluated, re-evaluated, updated , changed the emphasis is to further distinguish the RFK from the R-Klasse - You might have 3 rows or seats but the RFK is not that type of car - BMW's of the future will be "mobile communication" statements in both exterior and interior when NG-idrive comes forth. the rotating wheel will be replaced with an ipod style wheel one will also be standard on the steering wheel connected to HUD- This will happen first in the next generation of the 7er which as one BMW engineer has said will make the S-Klasse technology look like DOS .<p>In that last picture if you shrink the glass house and make the side flanks shorter you have a close interpretation of CoupeSpace.

Comrade
05-03-2006, 12:57 PM
well it should have 3 rows of seats because if not, then the only advantage it would have over the 5er wagon is a higher seating positon. They could at least add a smaller row for kids.

Ascariss
05-03-2006, 01:00 PM
if they cancelled the V3, why did huckfeldt make this?<p><IMG SRC="http://media.autobild.de/bild/1/697113cc9239c489e4fddbb2f68a9f61_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>bored?

scott26
05-03-2006, 03:40 PM
When developing the 1er platform - BMW had the idea to spread the platform to introduce as well as 3 and 5dr Hatchback models but a 2dr Coupe and Cabrio and conventional models such as a sedan and Touring .<p>With the 5dr established the development now turns to the other platform members while a 3dr will serve as a sporty hatchback think Golf gti rival in europe the Coupe and Cabrio will be the ultimate small coupe with no rivals and a marketbase ready to tap especially in the US. There are a lot of 2002 owners out there and we want to give them something that rekindles that affair with a small BMW. With people moving up from MINI - our research has shown that recently BMW owners have progressed through the MINI models to the BMW 1er and 3er. <p>Whilst the 3er coupe now positions itself as a mid range coupe the segment is free for the smaller coupe model. <br>Conventional ideas such as a sedan and proper touring have been axed due to infiltration with base 3er models. A Touring model will follow the history of the BMW 2002 by offering a 3dr fastback similar to the previous 2002 touring. <p>Other models developed as ideas include a "X1" sport Activity vehicle and a "V1" MPV and a Roadster but they are not going to see the light of day in this generation , maybe next time around?

Ascariss
05-03-2006, 04:04 PM
Any news if the 1 series will be introduced to canada?

synthesis
05-03-2006, 09:52 PM
<IMG SRC="http://media.autobild.de/bild/D/c97120bf2cdf2ef2d32938ccd83077bd_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Oh God, my eyes! Huckfeldt, why!?

LeMansX5
07-08-2006, 09:48 AM
Scott26, what is the E# designation for V5 ?

Gisle-mann
07-08-2006, 10:16 AM
Must be less space in this ... eh ... scrotum ... than in the normal E61!

TitanSteel
07-08-2006, 11:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LeMansX5</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Scott26, what is the E# designation for V5 ?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's going to be an F- something. All of the Es are taken.

Mil
07-08-2006, 01:59 PM
yuck...what were they thinkijg...and yes, its now onto 'f'

StevenZoz
07-08-2006, 03:48 PM
does that include future 5's, 3's, 7's, etc?

Mil
07-09-2006, 01:33 AM
Im not sure...because the could change the numbers after the first one...its quite confusing...<br>i think im getting confused with Merc and BMW... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

badman
07-09-2006, 05:05 AM
Yes, all future models starting with the new 7 series will be designated F. The 7er is codenamed F1, the new 6er F12 / 13 (coupe / convertible) and, according to AutoBild, the allegedly planned 4 door coupe is codenamed F14.

CosworthKid
01-22-2007, 11:22 AM
<A HREF="http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/331/lsc1kr.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/331/lsc1kr.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5862/lsc26gt.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img267.imageshack.us/im...t.jpg</A><p>source: AutoBild<p>First time i heard of an LSC, have these been posted before? In a V5 thread possibly? Couldnt find them

carjunkie
01-22-2007, 03:51 PM
wow, thats pretty hideous

mzoltarp
01-22-2007, 04:14 PM
I like the nose and side, but the tail is ungainly. With better integration of the tail, this could be quite nice.

knicks125
01-22-2007, 05:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First time i heard of an LSC, have these been posted before? In a V5 thread possibly? Couldnt find them</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The thread was in the archive section. There is a search option for those.<p>The image was posted last May, previous page after the merge.

knicks125
07-15-2007, 03:12 PM
<A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121703#2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...703#2</A>

lsleelee
07-15-2007, 07:06 PM
Well, BMW, if the SAVs didn't seal the deal, this thing makes it official. You've definitely sold your soul.

JB
07-15-2007, 07:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>lsleelee</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, BMW, if the SAVs didn't seal the deal, this thing makes it official. You've definitely sold your soul.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How so? BMW sees the opportunity the crossover segment represents (it is the fastest growing segment in the entire US market) and wants to stake a claim in it. You're forgetting that BMW is in the business to make money, not to do what is best for their heritage. If they can do right by their heritage AND produce a vehicle that expands the brand to a new and rapidly growing segment, why shouldn't they do it? (I mean, BMW IS about innovating, after all)

CosworthKid
07-16-2007, 02:01 AM
Yeah, i dont see why BMW making this crossover is anything bad either.

protocatcher
07-16-2007, 04:00 AM
Ok guys..........<br>why getting upset over an NORMAL 3-series touring with some test equipment. <br>Probably testing some suspension parts.<p>This is no mule for the "whateverbmwwillcalltheirmpvcrossover"<p>Stupid editors who buy this crap, and stupid photographers who fool the editors. <p>Hmmmmmm...i have an old Mercedes 250S from 1966 here , maybe i should take some pictures and sell it as the smaller Maybach ;-)<br>

CosworthKid
07-16-2007, 08:03 AM
Point is the BWM Crossover IS a reality man, it doesnt matter if this particular mule is that or something else. So thats what the discussion is about. Cars such as the Ford S-Max prove (to me) that this type of vehicle can manage to look great, be cool and also drive pretty sporty. In the Bimmers case add better quality, RWD and BMW expertise and u get a very promising vehicle

protocatcher
07-16-2007, 01:12 PM
I know that the BMW Crossover is real, i just dont think this white 3-series touring a a mule for it. <br>And i agree about the S-Max, looks cool and drives sporty.

JB
07-16-2007, 02:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>protocatcher</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know that the BMW Crossover is real, i just dont think this white 3-series touring a a mule for it. <br>And i agree about the S-Max, looks cool and drives sporty. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It is though. The different front intakes, cutout above the front wheel, and testing gear all indicate that this is not a 3-series beneath the sheetmetal.

protocatcher
07-16-2007, 03:02 PM
Correct me if im wrong, but the front bumper is just the normal M-sport package bumper. <br><A HREF="http://www.7-forum.com/bild.php?bild=news/2005/modelljahr2006/bmw_3er_sport_p0018329-b.jpg&title=BMW%203er%20Touring%20mit%20M%20Sportpaket&cpy=BMW%20Group" TARGET="_blank">http://www.7-forum.com/bild.ph...Group</A><p>And i think that the cutouts are made to easily change suspension parts during testing.

JB
07-16-2007, 04:59 PM
Fair enough, but it still begs the question of why a mule like this was out testing. The 3er wagon is already out and on sale. BMW has no reason to be testing it like this, which are what most manufacturers do when they're testing a current body shell on top of a revised platform. I don't get it, but maybe we'll see some more pictures soon.

protocatcher
07-17-2007, 12:40 AM
BMW is working on a facelift for the 3 series , and it could well be that they are working on some new suspension parts or other gizmos for the updated 3 series.

CosworthKid
07-17-2007, 01:57 AM
This could also be an M3 wagon right?

CosworthKid
07-24-2007, 03:06 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/209568/bmw_carrier_bagged.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A><p>BMW carrier bagged<br>Although at first glance it looks just like a 3-Series Touring, this picture proves BMWs much anticipated MPV has hit the road<br> <br>24th July 2007<br>Underneath the skin lies the basis for a model likely to be called the V3. Its essentially BMWs answer to sporty people carriers such as Fords S-MAX, and the firm hopes it will succeed where other prestige offerings like Mercedes B-Class have failed. Based on platform architecture shared with the 3-Series and the X3 SUV, the V3 will provide more versatility for families than any BMW before  but with the same style and driver appeal.<p>While this prototype doesnt give away much  only the widened wheelarches and slightly raised ride height reveal the V3 will be bigger than the existing Touring  BMW bosses have made it clear that the new model will offer genuine flexibility.<p>The finished article will feature a high roof and a raised<br>driving position  with an interior that features five, six and seven-seater options. Insiders claim the driving experience will be as sporty as ever and the looks will resemble those of a coup.<p>Engines will be taken from the 3-Series line-up, with the<br>companys 3.0-litre turbo petrol and diesel units topping the range. All variants will get BMWs Efficient Dynamics system, which helps to save fuel and cut emissions. A four-wheel-drive model is likely, too. The V3 is set to go on sale in 2008.

Zadjali
09-13-2007, 03:25 PM
<A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/september2007/bmw-v-1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/september2007/bmw-v-2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/september2007/bmw-v-3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...3.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/september2007/bmw-v-4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...4.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/september2007/bmw-v-5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/september2007/bmw-v-6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/september2007/bmw-v-7.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...7.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Spy photographers have spotted what appears to be a prototype of the long-rumored BMW V-series testing in Munich. The car appears to be a pure hatchback with no room for a rear deck-lid. Overall styling appears to be similar to that of the recently unveiled X6, but the vehicle spied has a taller roofline arc  allowing for more headroom in back  and the rear hatch looks more cargo-friendly.<p>Earlier reports said the BMW V-series would go head-to-head with Mercedes' R-class, but it looks as though BMW will make the V-series more car-like than the van-like R-class from Mercedes. This is probably a good decision for BMW as it better suits the automaker's values and the R-class has been received with a luke-warm reception at best.<p><A HREF="http://www.leftlanenews.com/spied-bmw-v-series-prototype.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.leftlanenews.com/sp....html</A><p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>

Reppu
09-13-2007, 10:32 PM
The profile looks quite similar to that in the X6

Smart22186
09-13-2007, 11:29 PM
Can almost see volvo s60 in their somewhere? <p>It also has very big brakes and 4 pipes? is this an M version or standard? maybe they testing a new improved M engine while they have a mule avalible?

Superfresa
09-14-2007, 03:12 AM
How unfortunate. A BMW van. What next, a Porsche SUV? Oh wait...

mzoltarp
09-14-2007, 04:35 AM
Nah Superfresa, Porsche will do a pickup next or their competitor to the Kia Rio.

scottdog02
09-14-2007, 04:56 AM
has no one else noticed 4 exhaust pipes...

silver-arrow
09-14-2007, 05:10 AM
Naah its not a quad exaust system...the 2nd pipe in each side is fake...<p><A HREF="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8980/62900784vp1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img517.imageshack.us/im...1.jpg</A>

drugmirko
09-14-2007, 06:40 AM
cool.... stationwagon coupe.... what's next.... SUV cabrio sedan? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.worldcarfans.com/CSS/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.worldcarfans.com/CSS/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Smart22186
09-14-2007, 08:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scottdog02</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has no one else noticed 4 exhaust pipes...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes and big breaks, read my previous post!

lsleelee
09-14-2007, 02:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How unfortunate. A BMW van. What next, a Porsche SUV? Oh wait...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I feel the same way. But it can't possibly be as bad as the X6 for what little consolation that is. I'm not really sure why they're doing both actually they seem to cover about the same evil pointless segment.

spannersuk
09-15-2007, 03:18 AM
Looks like a Rover SD1 to me.......<p><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/101-rover-sd1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...1.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by spannersuk at 3:45 AM 9/15/2007</i>

tomd89
09-15-2007, 03:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spannersuk</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like a Rover SD1 to me.......<p><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/101-rover-sd1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...1.jpg</A><p><br><i>Modified by spannersuk at 3:45 AM 9/15/2007</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>nothing wrong with that!

spannersuk
09-15-2007, 04:31 AM
Absolutely not  my Dad had one, great design inside and out. I just cant imagine making that shape work with 6 / 7 seats (all facing forward). Ill be interested to see how the seating shapes up.<p>Maybe BMWs tenure of Rover will produce another icon reborn .the New SD1! <br>

totalloss
09-21-2007, 05:43 AM
BMW is planning a new sedan, and it is currently called the V-series. The car uses platform from the 5-series.<p><A HREF="http://www.automotto.org/gallery/bmw-v-series-image2_5330" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotto.org/galle..._5330</A>/<p><A HREF="http://www.automotto.org/entry/spy-shots-new-bmw-v-series-sporttourer-on-the-road" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotto.org/entry...-road</A>/<br>

CosworthKid
09-21-2007, 05:46 AM
The V is not a sedan but an R-Class competitor, there are older threads about the "V5" in CSS <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> Thanks for the spy shots though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Here is the link to the V5 thread:<br><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12324&page=6" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=6</A>

AM2K
09-21-2007, 08:14 AM
Threads merged. Remember to use the search function to look for any existing threads <b>before</b> you create a new thread <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><br>

Superfresa
09-22-2007, 06:27 AM
Are you guys serious? That thing has 7 seats? I thought X5's 7 seat claim was laughable! <p>What a ridiculous van.<p>They should stick to making cars.

mzoltarp
09-22-2007, 07:13 AM
Agreed! The niche vehicles for the sake of having niche vehicles is odd.

PRODIGY
09-22-2007, 07:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Agreed! The niche vehicles for the sake of having niche vehicles is odd.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yep, it's getting a bit insane.<br>I remember when you only had hatchbacks, sedans, Estates/station wagons and coupes.<p>BMW are in danger of creating a niche too far.

CosworthKid
10-04-2007, 04:49 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7039/v5mk8.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>source; AutoBild

VexedandGlorious
11-02-2007, 04:11 PM
cross over coupe=X6?<br>

CosworthKid
11-03-2007, 02:01 AM
We all know how the X6 looks like from the recent Concept. This car shown there definitely ain't the X6 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.worldcarfans.com/CSS/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
11-03-2007, 04:37 AM
Sooo... by 2010 BMW's large car offering will consist of:<p>- The 6 series, coupe and convertible;<br>- The CS, a 4 door " coupe ";<br>- The 5 series, sedan and touring;<br>- The V5, a sort of a mix between a Touring and an MPV, with awd variants. And that may end up being called the 5 series coupe;<br>- The X6, a sort of mix between a 4 door coupe and a sporty SUV;<br>- And the X5, the sporty SUV.<p>See any more segments in there BMW?

CosworthKid
11-03-2007, 04:43 AM
Well an 8-Series has been heavily rumored and unless the proposed CS slots into that size bracket i'm betting they will make the CL rival a.s.a.p. Also let's not forget the equally rumored Z8 succesor...basically BMW will have as many, or more, models as Mercedes in their line-up

63Bonneville
11-03-2007, 08:27 AM
I believe the upcoming CS is going to be the 8-series which was mentioned. This time it'll be the 4-door coupe designation which looks to be ever growing and not a 2-door coupe the original 8-Series was; the 6-Series has that area covered. Mentioned in the recent past is a Z8 (or will it be a Z10?) which is a MB SL rival and a successor the the limited and retro/heritage Z8 (the one designed by Henrik Fisker) of a couple of years back. The Z4 (nee Z3) was said to be succeeded by a larger Z6 sportster. <p>I suppose the V5 concept will be coupe-like, but a larger, more roomier and practical take on the X6.

Horizon
11-23-2007, 11:26 AM
<p><br><A HREF="http://www.infomotori.co.uk/a_ENG_21573_2.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.infomotori.co.uk/a_ENG_21573_2.html</A>

CosworthKid
11-23-2007, 11:41 AM
I hope the front isn't as un- inspired as that of the X6

Horizon
11-23-2007, 11:50 AM
I saw a pic of the X6 front with the headlights lit up at night and it looked cool and menacing. <br>The only thing i would restyle is the bumper, huge and ugly imo, but then again i've seen it on the concept so it might not make it to prod.

VexedandGlorious
11-23-2007, 01:01 PM
what is he V5 as in, what new bodystlye did BMW dream up...<p>Proportions are wild, like the CS concept...wow

63Bonneville
11-23-2007, 01:16 PM
You also mention the Z8 successor: I believe that may be called a Z10, and the direction is said to be more forward and to the future and not so heritage/retro. The Z10 may be like a big brother to the upcoming Z6, which is said to be the Z4 successor. The Z6 was said to grow in size and have a folding metal top convertible; I wonder if there'll be a fixed-roof fastback coupe in the replacement, I just saw a hardtop Z4 in a parking lot the other day, and let me tell you... it's stunning!! The first-generation Z3 hardtop was not so successful. <p>The V5; I feel it will fill the gap between the X5 and X6, being for those who need a swoopy coupish design with more space and practically than the X6, and of course be a people mover with something extra with elegance, sport appeal, and cachet.

2o6
11-23-2007, 01:24 PM
I'm confused......Where is the V5 supposed to slot?

Israelicarfan
11-23-2007, 01:41 PM
V=Variant? this is confusing me

Horizon
11-23-2007, 01:41 PM
I think it's supposed to be an alternative to the 5 series.<br>Their thinking is that nowadays a businessman goes to work during the week but will go antiques-shopping at the week-end and surfing during his holidays therefore a versatile yet premium product needed to be offered.<br>I think some versions will only have 4 seats but will have acres of space inside.<br>Wouldnt be surprised if it came with a seat-folding system similar to Opel's Flex mechanism.

autonutt
11-23-2007, 06:27 PM
I think that ugly red vehicle pictured beneath the CS concept in Cosworth's post is actually the V5 (or perhaps V7) concept.. looks basically like the X6 with longer rear end and slightly less rearward taper.. BMW's answer to the Mercedes R-Class.

CosworthKid
11-24-2007, 04:01 AM
Yes that is supposed to be the V5 i think

wdc
11-24-2007, 07:44 AM
V5 looks like it is a 5 series hatchback (or 5 door as Mazda likes to call them).

CosworthKid
11-24-2007, 08:31 AM
It's not just Mazda, all hatch/liftback cars are called 5-doors and yes i am worried that this will turn out to be just that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.blackfalconmedia.com/CSS/smilies/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> I hope it is better resolved than the slow selling R-Class

silver-arrow
12-06-2007, 11:49 PM
Some new photos from WorldCarFans

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/12/6/9071206.012/9071206.012.Mini4L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/12/6/9071206.012/9071206.012.Mini5L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/12/6/9071206.012/9071206.012.Mini6L.jpg
and interior(although covered):
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/12/6/9071206.012/9071206.012.Mini8L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/12/6/9071206.012/9071206.012.Mini3L.jpg

The full article:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9071206.012/bmw-v-series-spied-with-interior-shots

kid
12-07-2007, 12:05 AM
They have been talking about this car for ages..it's a wonder it's even still coming out

swizzle
12-08-2007, 04:51 PM
If it's essentially a 5 series hatchback one has to wonder why it's taking so long to get to market. I also have to wonder if it will be any better received in NA than the very slow selling Mercedes R Class. I'd almost be willing to bet that NA buyers would rather have a 5 series wagon or an X5 than a V5 given our dislike of the word hatchback.

silver-arrow
12-08-2007, 04:57 PM
I dont really see the concept on this vehicle. The R-Class, despite the slow sales, was meant to be a luxurious 4x4 6-seater providing limo luxuries and spaces. What is the V5 supposed to be? A sportier 5series wagon with a coupe-ish roof?

swizzle
12-09-2007, 02:40 PM
Is it possible that in the BMWs' zeal to create niches and subniches that they have finally gotten to a point of silliness? Aren't the people who buy BMWs rich enough to have multiple cars so if they really needed a minivan-thing-crossover-whatever they could spend half as much and get a Caravan? Or heaven forbid...rent one as needed?

against the wall
12-09-2007, 03:26 PM
i dunno, but someone up there needs to help sort out the clusterf*ck of niches that are being created. like, how many wagon/hatchback models do they have coming, like 3 or 4?

silver-arrow
12-09-2007, 03:54 PM
i dunno, but someone up there needs to help sort out the clusterf*ck of niches that are being created. like, how many wagon/hatchback models do they have coming, like 3 or 4?

its like a new fashion....combining all kind of cars and making a new categories! A coupe 4x4, a wagon 4x4 -coupe, a hatchback 4x4-wagon-coupe etc....whats next?!
They could use these money to develop the existing series, develop new environmental-friendly engines and produce every f***ng concept the crazy designers draw......

swizzle
12-09-2007, 11:05 PM
The race to find niches will ultimately create so many cars that need to be marketed and advertised that the message of the marque will be diluted. The same is true for Mercedes, Audi, and VW.

against the wall
12-09-2007, 11:53 PM
i think next up for bmw should be an all in one car that can have its height raised 5 inches, its length extended around 10 inches or so, removable rear doors that will also lower the roof transforming it into sport activity sedan and coupe from just a regular suv, and a system that can transform the sedan into a hatch by having a retractable roof from the c-pillar back. you can call it the Progressively Sporty Activity Hatchback Sedan Coupe Convertible Vehicle (or PSAHSCCV). cmon, its starting to get silly.

silver-arrow
12-09-2007, 11:59 PM
i think next up for bmw should be an all in one car that can have its height raised 5 inches, its length extended around 10 inches or so, removable rear doors that will also lower the roof transforming it into sport activity sedan and coupe from just a regular suv, and a system that can transform the sedan into a hatch by having a retractable roof from the c-pillar back. you can call it the Progressively Sporty Activity Hatchback Sedan Coupe Convertible Vehicle (or PSAHSCCV). cmon, its starting to get silly.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! HEY...do u understand what ur doing now??? BMW may read this!!!They may like the concept! Stop giving them ideas!:P

silver-arrow
12-10-2007, 12:09 AM
oh...btw...Mercedes did something like that in 1995! The VRC (vario research car)

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9533/vrc009qg4.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2186/vrc010le6.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1097/vrc011nt2.jpg

CosworthKid
07-09-2008, 12:20 AM
Sorry but it's near impossible to perform a search for BMW in this forum. I don't even remember if a thread for this car was available (is it the V5) or if these where re-posted somewhere

http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/58435121_53ea1fb7d8.jpg
http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/58435158_9c868de6c0.jpg
http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/58435159_39a0198178.jpg
http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/58435160_eec91b8afe.jpg
http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/58435161_ed6b4afd6a.jpg
http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/58435162_ec6804e4fb.jpg

interior
http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/58435163_025708225e.jpg

knicks125
07-09-2008, 12:48 AM
I got your back!!

Merged/

Would like to petiton to BMW and have them add a few more letters to their vehicles :)

CosworthKid
07-09-2008, 12:50 AM
I got your back!!
Merged/


WOW! You are good!:rofl:

knicks125
07-09-2008, 12:53 AM
It wasn't as far back in the section as I thought it would be ;)

against the wall
07-09-2008, 12:58 AM
from the camo shots i can picture this being a lowered and stretched X6. not much more than that, though. maybe a 5th seat.

AGNRDARNETW
07-09-2008, 03:03 AM
Wow, BMW has so many new products testing right now.

DoMiNo
07-09-2008, 03:10 AM
I got your back!!

Merged/

Would like to petiton to BMW and have them add a few more letters to their vehicles :)

Or we could hereby decree that all BMW threads be titled "Bee Emm Doubleyoo" :P

TitanSteel
07-09-2008, 03:42 AM
Is the problem just that there aren't enough letters in the search to properly find the threads? I've had trouble finding BMW threads too.

knicks125
07-09-2008, 04:21 AM
Bingo! The search function requires at a minimum four letters to remove as many wildcard results as possible.

The thing with BMW - not only the cars are numerical/alphanumerical, which by the way is a common theme amongst the luxury nameplates, the brand name itself has so few letters.

Damn you :cool:

-----------------------

Domino - LOL

against the wall
07-09-2008, 04:29 AM
next time i make a bimmer thread ill call it Bimmer or BavarianMotorWerks

TitanSteel
07-09-2008, 04:33 AM
I guess there's something with BMW and computer systems. Somehow, they always manage to screw them up. ;)

63Bonneville
07-09-2008, 04:51 AM
This seems like a fastback/hatchback sedan of some dramatic proportions - will this be arriving in the USDM?

against the wall
07-09-2008, 04:51 AM
has BMW explained what Progressive Activity Sedan even means? like, who is it geared towards?

TitanSteel
07-09-2008, 04:59 AM
I think the concept is a vehicle that has SUV-like flexibility and space with the sporty look and feel of a BMW sedan. I guess it would resemble a Mercedes R-class, only if it were smaller, more contoversial, and drove like a 5-series.

against the wall
07-09-2008, 05:25 AM
it doesnt look as wagon-like as the R class though. it looks more like a hatchback sedan, a la opel insignia, mazda 6, mondeo, et al.

DoMiNo
07-09-2008, 06:15 AM
So, like, a 5er with a liftback.

against the wall
07-09-2008, 06:47 AM
yep. spy shots of the 5er and this seem to match up pretty well.

SCVolvo
07-09-2008, 01:22 PM
So where exactly does this fit in in BMW's line-up? BMW is working on a 5er with a hatch/trunk combo - looks like a regular sedan, but you can either open just the trunk or the trunk and the rear window. Is this just going to be a full on hatchback? Seems as though they are really diluting their line-up even more than they already have. 5er sedan, hatch combo, hatch, estate, and then I guess X5.

the1
07-09-2008, 02:41 PM
It's placed somewhere between a 5 Series Touring, the X5 and the 7 Series, as it will probably cost more than an X5 and be more luxurious than it.

DoMiNo
07-09-2008, 04:17 PM
It's placed somewhere between a 5 Series Touring, the X5 and the 7 Series, as it will probably cost more than an X5 and be more luxurious than it.

But that sounds like the X6!

against the wall
07-09-2008, 04:31 PM
like i said, it looks like a lowered and stretched X6...with new 5er cues.

DoMiNo
07-09-2008, 04:39 PM
*head explodes*

CosworthKid
07-09-2008, 04:53 PM
I still haven't seen the X6 in my local BMW dealer, but somehow i'm not even that excited to see it. Same goes for this PAS vehicle

against the wall
07-09-2008, 05:08 PM
its basically a lowered X5 with one less seat, coupe headlights, and a overly dramatic sloping roofline.

Smart22186
10-18-2008, 12:06 PM
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9081017.003/bmw-pas-crossover-spied-with-finished-front--rear-lights

Was wondering does any 1 think this car could be named as a 4-series? their was alot of talk ages ago about calling the 3-series coupe/convert the 4 but they pulled it at last min.

CosworthKid
10-18-2008, 12:27 PM
Perhaps they could have named it 4-Series if they intend on making it an alternative vehicle to do battle with the A5. But i doubt it cause they are pitching it as a Crossover and they probably have something more along the lines of the A5 to use the 4-Series name on.

swizzle
10-18-2008, 12:51 PM
Of course they could name it something like the 535v given that it seems to be a 5 series hatchback.

the future
10-18-2008, 01:43 PM
BMW POS that is.

swizzle
10-18-2008, 02:29 PM
BMW POS that is.

Progressive Ostentatious Sedan?

the1
10-18-2008, 04:11 PM
I preferred PAS. Progressive Amazinglyugly Sedan.

63Bonneville
10-18-2008, 04:27 PM
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9081017.003/bmw-pas-crossover-spied-with-finished-front--rear-lights

Was wondering does any 1 think this car could be named as a 4-series? their was alot of talk ages ago about calling the 3-series coupe/convert the 4 but they pulled it at last min.

That's because it's sized between the 5-Series and 7-Series, so 4 would be too small a number to designate for this model. There were articles referring to an X4, (http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-planning-x4-sav.html) a baby X6 of sorts, to slot below, the PAS vehicle is larger than the X6 and 5-Series, footprint-wise. It was reported that BMW is going to develop more niche segments, and this appears to be another type.

The article at the link refers the PAS to the (not to be confused with the performance tuned designation of Cadillacs) V-Series (V5) as the crossover SUV are X's, the 2-place sportscars (some additional in development) are Z's, and the coupes and sedans as numbers - higher the number the higher the vehicle on the food-chain, sedans and their coupe counterparts as odd numbers and stand-alone coupes and sports-cars as even, including the upcoming 8-Series (nee GT concept) which will be a 4-door coupe. The X6 SAV has an even number, but that has a coupe-like profile.

The coupe version of the 3-series was going to be renamed the 4-Series when the new (now current) generation was introduced, but they decided to keep the designation to 3-Series coupe perhaps for reasons of familiarization. The intent was to have all sedans with odd numbers and coupes with even numbers (I believe the 1-Series coupe was to be called a 2-Series, but the coupe is called the 1-Series - the coupe and convertible are sold in the USDM but not the 1-Series hatchback-sedan).

PlatForm
11-06-2008, 11:33 AM
http://paultan.org/archives/2008/11/05/spyshot-bmw-progressive-activity-sedan/




:)

mick78
11-06-2008, 11:57 AM
The more I see it, the more I think "5 series hatchback". I read in several magazine, that BMW will use Skoda's twin door hatch (from the Superb) on the upcoming 5 series, though it would rather make sense on this, I suppose.

Btw. If BMW hadn't sold Rover, they could call this SD1 Mk. II :)

the1
11-06-2008, 01:10 PM
BMW cancels the future CS-8Series but goes forward with this abomination. Arghhhhh...

silver-arrow
11-06-2008, 01:19 PM
BMW cancels the future CS-8Series but goes forward with this abomination. Arghhhhh...

exactly this i was gonna say....they cancel the CS, they cancel the M1(2 models that are...kind of meaningfull) and instead they produce another useless Coupeish-Hatchback SportsSUV like the ugly X6!

swizzle
11-06-2008, 02:08 PM
I think it's utterly hilarious that they dare not call this thing a hatchback so they come up with an idiotic name "progressive activity sedan" as if they have discovered a totally untapped market. I predict that this thing will go over like a burp in church in NA. A CS coupesedan would have made a LOT of sense. A 4 series coupesedan to sell alongside the more stodgy 3 series would also be a wise move.

the1
11-06-2008, 02:34 PM
They're also wasting money on things like a sub-1 Series car, more crossovers like X1, X4 and even possible Vs instead of just launching cool, iconic cars, like the CS or a new M1.

CosworthKid
11-06-2008, 03:17 PM
Worst thing about BMW is that they seem to have returned to their same sausage different length routine. All saloon cars are starting to look the same and all of their SUV's as well. Just take a look at the 1-Series illustrations AutoBild posted (1-Series thread). And with the Mercedes CL and the next CLS rumored to upgrade to the S-Class platform as well as the new SL and up-coming smaller SLR..not to mention the superb Audi R8 and up-coming A7...well BMW seem screwed (pardon my expresion)

swizzle
11-07-2008, 02:52 AM
They're also wasting money on things like a sub-1 Series car, more crossovers like X1, X4 and even possible Vs instead of just launching cool, iconic cars, like the CS or a new M1.

The 1 series is just a 3 series that has been slightly made smaller as opposed to being its own car. It needed to be a 2002 replacement and what NA gets is a cramped 3 series at near 3 series prices.

Sooner or later these BMW "discoveries" of new niches will implode.

the1
11-07-2008, 09:37 AM
Their niches seem more and more useless, especially in this difficult economic climate. I don't think big crossovers and MPVs and SUVcoupes and... whatever they can come up with really sell that well. A 4door smokin hot CS would have been a much better addition to their lineup, serving as a halo car as well. Very expensive sports cars and uber saloons still sell well. But noooo they go forward with the PAS and the 0 Series (or whatever the sub-1 Series car will be called).

silver-arrow
11-07-2008, 12:47 PM
first the 0,5 or 1/2 series! :P
and then the 0 series

velsatis
11-07-2008, 01:09 PM
I totally agree with all of you guys, the bm's are looking all the same and the CS would have been a much better add in the portfolio, but I also agree with the economic factor and in that way I think BMW keeps going with this thing rather than the CS is because 1- Its cheaper to produce since it will share much of the construction and parts with the 5, 2- because the status of development is way ahead of the CS, so money wise for BMW this is millions cheaper to produce.
Still, in a midium term of time I think BMW will realise the mistake. too bad

Matski
11-08-2008, 01:03 AM
Okay swizzle, we get it, you don'tlike BMW's...

63Bonneville
11-09-2008, 04:47 PM
I'm glad that the PAS or V5 (whatever it's to be called) is moving forward and I'm sure it'll be sized nicely between the 5-Series and 7-Series and be something of a sporty, swoopy, and elegant 2-box design, and a nice compliment to the X6, which although swoopy, is more towards an SUV/crossover type where the PAS could be more car-like.

I still can't hope to be bummed and disappointed of the stopping of the much-anticipated and desired CS/8-Series which I understand is on hold and not killed (stated within the "20?? Supercars" thread of the "Automotive News and Rumors" forum), or that may be what I like to believe. I sincerely hope that either BMW has a change of heart on the CS, for it's moved so far into development, or perhaps, as a next best thing of sorts, they decide to redevelop it into a Rolls-Royce 4-door coupe to do battle with the Rapide and a reported upcoming 4-door coupe Maybach. The CS is new-generation 7-Series based, as is the upcoming "baby" Rolls-Royce RR4 is, so they have the goods, and the body can be based on the existing architecture and hard-points but be more bespoke with a taller from to accommodate the tall signature grille. It could be like a new take on the old Rolls-Royce Camargue from the mid-70s to mid-80s.

What's mentioned the above is just a what-up and my own personal view, not anything based on reports and/or facts.

If you look at automotive history, this could be a parallel - the early 60s Buick Riviera, initially a personal-luxury coupe to compete with Ford's Thunderbird at the time. The Riviera was being developed originally as a Cadillac, a new take on the past LaSalle line, but Cadillac division at GM turned it down, so the project was redeveloped into a Buick, the rest was history. Funny thing - Cadillac a few years later got a vehicle in that segment, albeit more upmarket, the Eldorado, an early offering with front-wheel drive!

Also, it was announced in the recent past that a large SUV to be dubbed the X7 had been put on ice. This, as nice as it could have been, I didn't feel anything that time - perhaps because I didn't really know about the X7 so much, and no production-close concepts were even displayed of this, and it didn't get much press. The CS, on the other hand, was highly shown and publicized, very far along, had two different concept stages released and was given the green-light. The recent announcement made me, and many others, feel like they had the rug pulled out from under, or had a dangling carrot in front of our noses. I sincerely hope BMW has a change of heart on the CS!

Going back to the PAS/V5, I feel it has promise and will have much to offer.

fastening
02-10-2009, 08:49 AM
latest rendering

BMW PAS latest rendering from Headlightmag.com (http://www.headlightmag.com/webboard/index.php?topic=65.0)

Ascariss
02-10-2009, 08:58 AM
latest rendering

BMW PAS latest rendering from Headlightmag.com (http://www.headlightmag.com/webboard/index.php?topic=65.0)

it links to a forum with no image in the thread? :confused:

the1
02-10-2009, 09:04 AM
Weird... why post the link if there's no photo on that board?

SCVolvo
02-10-2009, 03:15 PM
Here is the image from World Car Fans: http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090210.014/real-or-fake-first-bmw-pas-concept-image-surfaces

Looks almost like the Panamera from this angle, albeit a little higher.

CosworthKid
02-10-2009, 04:27 PM
There is another thread in the Concepts area with the image...

DoMiNo
02-13-2009, 04:23 AM
Here's the real deal (http://jalopnik.com/5152746/2010-bmw-5+series-gt-bangle-knows-how-to-tease). Unfortunately (or fortunately), Bangle decided to spoil the fun. According to Jalopnik, the PAS concept (shown) will be called the 5-series GT for production. Whatever.

jl215
02-13-2009, 04:24 AM
First full uncovered real life pics!!

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230701

With no Bangle blocking the way :)

DoMiNo
02-13-2009, 04:34 AM
Looks like the teaser was dead on!!!

And no, that is NOT a good thing.

On the plus side, if the 5-series takes its cues from this it will be a fantastic looking car.

exl500
02-13-2009, 05:03 AM
Wow. I didn't expect it to look so good. Fantastic detailing, too.

I agree the 5 is going to be gorgeous. And these BMWs (new 7, PAS, soon to be 5) were developed on Bangle's watch...I for one will miss him, but am confident that Hooydonk will keep it interesting.

Ascariss
02-13-2009, 05:46 AM
Please use the concept thread for the concept and this thread should be for the actual production car/spy pics.

swizzle
02-13-2009, 02:11 PM
This thing is just ugly from the rear.

Smart22186
02-13-2009, 06:04 PM
Any 1 else think maybe Mr Bangle himself got these images leaked as petty revenge? after all never b4 have images been released (or so i know of) from BMW's private functions!

the1
02-13-2009, 06:11 PM
It was all marketing hype. Official pics are already out and there's another topic in the Concepts area.

Ascariss
02-19-2009, 11:04 PM
http://www.globalmotors.net/2010-bmw-5-series-gt-spied-with-little-disguise/#more-12370

against the wall
02-19-2009, 11:34 PM
it doesnt look as wagon-esque in that side shot. as the concept looks to be more on the wagon-side of looks, the production looks more sedan-like. it also looks shorter.

ross82694
02-19-2009, 11:53 PM
I like it a lot actually. It's like the middle ground between a Volvo XC wagon and a crossover and a sedan. I like it a lot, really I do. Don't flame me.

against the wall
02-20-2009, 12:25 AM
ok we get it, lol. no need to reassure us 3 times in the same post.:grintoothless:

the1
02-20-2009, 09:31 AM
I think it's ugly. Don't know why, the concept seemed nice and this production version is definately the same... but, something doesn't flow. It's too stretched.

Rob
02-27-2009, 06:23 PM
BMW 5-Series GT Spied with Minimal Disguise
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090227.006/bmw-5-series-gt-spied-with-minimal-disguise

erzhik
02-27-2009, 08:11 PM
I really don't understand the purpose of this car. It looks useless.

swizzle
02-28-2009, 02:39 AM
Well Europe loooooves hunchbacks...oops I mean hatchbacks...and considers them premium, so why not a hatchback 5 series and a hatchback X6 even if both are virtually the same size and shape. The Bimmeristas will swear they are totally different.

Superfresa
02-28-2009, 05:35 AM
I have lost a lot of respect for BMW. Its a shame really.

swizzle
02-28-2009, 08:18 AM
Well said! ;)

Reppu
02-28-2009, 09:31 AM
I really don't understand the purpose of this car. It looks useless.

I don't think so. It dramatically overlaps with many cars on their range, but to me it make sense, picking features from here and there and making as a result something unique. You know, i want something tall but i do not like SUVs, i want a big and easy to load boot but i do not like StationWagons....this would be the car for me then.

Rob
02-28-2009, 10:09 AM
Reppu has just captured the whole point of this car. It's a 4x4 without the UN-PCness, it's an estate without the uncoolness. I'm actually beginning to think that this car is a good idea.

62Lincoln
02-28-2009, 12:51 PM
Does everything for BMW that the Aspen was going to do for Chrysler. This thing was obviously approved and gestated prior to the current economic fall. No way BMW's board would approve this now. What an abomination.

BMW MFreak
02-28-2009, 03:08 PM
Most if the negative posts remind me of the screaming and shouting prior to the X6 premiere. And voila, first year sold out after 2 or 3 month. Shouldn't mean that I like or would even buy one of these cars but I don't think that there is no market for this. It'll find its lovers and fans and if it brings money iin, perfect.

As said, I'd still buy a classic limousine, touring or coup. Hate those mixed up ****!

CosworthKid
02-28-2009, 03:45 PM
Most if the negative posts remind me of the screaming and shouting prior to the X6 premiere. And voila, first year sold out after 2 or 3 month. Shouldn't mean that I like or would even buy one of these cars but I don't think that there is no market for this. It'll find its lovers and fans and if it brings money iin, perfect.
!

+100 Agreed

swizzle
02-28-2009, 03:50 PM
Does everything for BMW that the Aspen was going to do for Chrysler. This thing was obviously approved and gestated prior to the current economic fall. No way BMW's board would approve this now. What an abomination.

How much you wanna bet that the Bangle lovers here will insist on the brilliance of it?

swizzle
02-28-2009, 03:53 PM
Most if the negative posts remind me of the screaming and shouting prior to the X6 premiere. And voila, first year sold out after 2 or 3 month.

So then their sales goals must have been tiny because on the roads of California, the X6 is a rare sight. I saw one in LA a while back. I see far more Pontiac Azteks.

CosworthKid
02-28-2009, 03:55 PM
Well Europe loooooves hunchbacks...oops I mean hatchbacks...and considers them premium, .

Sorry, your comment is just off the mark. If you as a clever American think that only a sedan can be viewed as premium then fine, good for you. As far as i am concerned a premium vehicle can be absolutely anything that is worthy of its premium price - sedan, hatchback, SUV, CUV, Convertible, Coupe, City Car, whatever. A couple of decades ago the idea of a premium SUV was not even realistic to most markets, with people thinking that an SUV is strictly a large off-roader and hardly premium and look at how that has changed now. People with deep pockets, as you so often say Swizzle, will buy anything IF they like it. Now if BMW had made several failed attmepts at new niche cars then yeah, it would be stupid for them to release a "premium hatchback", but 1) so far their niche cars seem to sell really well (at least in Europe) and 2) the V5 is targetting stupid Europe that "considers them premium"

62Lincoln
02-28-2009, 05:04 PM
Cosworth, I love ya dude. This thing is an abomination. It will fail, if for no other reason than the timing of its release is about 1 year too late. It probably would have sold to rich blind people prior to the downturn, but it's not going to burn up the charts in this environment because nothing is going to burn up the charts in this environment. Just wait for BMW's financial results to come trickling in and you can expect that they are stumbling in the same way Mercedes has begun to falter. There's a reason those two companies are looking to combine parts purchasing where possible - they are going to start losing money, and they need to act decisively to address their costs. I'll repeat what I posted before: there is no way this product would be approved today. It's not appropriate for where the market is headed, and BMW is in the midst of seriously rethinking their business, so now would not be the time for flights of fancy, product-wise.

Edit: I don't begrudge anyone their vehicle choices, I completely endorse freedom of choice. But if I think a product is ass ugly, I will say so. Which has nothing to do with the character of the people that like it, we just disagree in terms of taste. Of course, my taste is better. ;)

Superfresa
02-28-2009, 05:27 PM
I just want to say that I have given this thought, and I can think of at least ONE car that is more pointless now. Well, 2. The problem is that they are both BMWs.

Okay, so some people like it. I honestly struggle to see how, but okay. Now how many more solutions will BMW have to come up with for problems that never existed in the first place, before it can be considered pointless?

63Bonneville
02-28-2009, 06:05 PM
I've said this before, but I see this PAS V5 as a high-tech/modern take on an American 50's car, sizable (to the outgoing 7-Series generation SWB and about an inch longer than the Hyundai Genesis sedan and Porsche Panamera) and tall (before the longer-lower-wider design language) with a higher Hip-point than a sedan/saloon but lower than an SUV or crossover and a modern fastback with a somewhat discreet hatch that's there when needed for added utility.

I say the same thing about Ford's D3-based family, too. They're very sizable and tall, with a narrow, up-swept greenhouse to be contemporary.

I see the PAS/V5 to differ quite well from the X6, where the X6, though coupe-like, is far more SUV like than the V5/PAS where it's shorter in length and taller in height.

Rob
02-28-2009, 06:28 PM
I agree with you guys to some extent. I see the point of this car, but there isn't enough of a market for a car like this for it to sell. Instead of creating new niches, it would be wiser to spend their money on making their top-selling mainstream models even better.

CosworthKid
03-01-2009, 07:54 PM
Edit: I don't begrudge anyone their vehicle choices, I completely endorse freedom of choice. But if I think a product is ass ugly, I will say so. Which has nothing to do with the character of the people that like it, we just disagree in terms of taste. Of course, my taste is better. ;)

I'm the same and everyone should/is like that, we all have different tastes (and we all think ours is better, lol);)
But i don't accept the "a hatchback cannot be viewed as premium" statement, that's all. As far as this V5 is concerned, i do like its styling but yeah i can see why so many people might in fact hate it. I don't think it's because it has a hatch though

knihc2008
03-02-2009, 01:47 AM
Reppu has just captured the whole point of this car. It's a 4x4 without the UN-PCness, it's an estate without the uncoolness. I'm actually beginning to think that this car is a good idea.

What it is is a Toyota Venza.

pjl35
03-02-2009, 02:23 AM
What it is is a Toyota Venza.


Amen. And an X6 with slightly lower ground clearance....

mHawk
03-02-2009, 03:48 AM
I like it a lot because its only the second BMW that I would own out of their line-up.

cowboysnkisses
03-02-2009, 07:53 AM
What it is is a Toyota Venza.

Only, the Venza is as ugly as sin, and it's a barely lower Highlander....

knihc2008
03-02-2009, 09:29 AM
Only, the Venza is as ugly as sin, and it's a barely lower Highlander....

Some would say the PAS is ugly as sin, and a barely lower X6 :P

I for one actually think the Venza looks quite nice.

CosworthKid
03-02-2009, 11:01 AM
Some would say the PAS is ugly as sin, and a barely lower X6 :P

I for one actually think the Venza looks quite nice.

:fear::fear::fear::fear::fear:

against the wall
03-02-2009, 04:03 PM
it looks better in person than in pics. the interior on the other hand...

bbp
03-09-2009, 08:55 AM
I can't wait for the hard top retractable roof version of this car. No wait !

I can't wait for the hard top retractable roof M VERSION of this car.

And then they could plug the gap in the market for an estate version of the Z4 !

No doubt the geniuses at BMW have all that in the pipeline. Let's just hope they all have those wonderful run-flat tyres too.

63Bonneville
03-09-2009, 12:45 PM
it looks better in person than in pics. the interior on the other hand...

The interior for that production-close concept is a bit odd in texture and theme, I'm picturing similar shapes all around but with materials, and finishes as the 7 or 5-Series and that's what the final interior could appear like.

Roadster44
03-09-2009, 10:12 PM
This car is an experiment - BMW realized a long time ago (when economy was good) that car market has become very fragmented, furthermore, emerging markets (when economy was good) wanted something new and different. End result is BMW trying to carve up new segments and it doesn't really matter what Swizzle thinks, world consists of many cultures which have different tastes. Unfortunately, world economy is collapsing trillion$ a minute, so no one would be willing to purchase even a stick of gum anytime soon. Unless of course China will let Yuan appreciate which can give Chinese more purchasing power and they'll finally be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor as opposed to lending money to Americans who are good at promising in paying it back, but are horrid at actually doing so.

pjl35
03-09-2009, 11:15 PM
This car is an experiment - BMW realized a long time ago (when economy was good) that car market has become very fragmented, furthermore, emerging markets (when economy was good) wanted something new and different. End result is BMW trying to carve up new segments and it doesn't really matter what Swizzle thinks, world consists of many cultures which have different tastes. Unfortunately, world economy is collapsing trillion$ a minute, so no one would be willing to purchase even a stick of gum anytime soon. Unless of course China will let Yuan appreciate which can give Chinese more purchasing power and they'll finally be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor as opposed to lending money to Americans who are good at promising in paying it back, but are horrid at actually doing so.

I'm only going to focus on your first comment. The thing is...BMW is ALREADY experimenting with this idea...it's called the X6. Is that vehicle selling so well that they are jumping into a similar model (only lower to the ground) so fast?? At least attempt this sort of vehicle on the 3 series platform. While smaller, a "hatchback" sort of vehicle in the entry-level lux market would probably do better than a redundant model that will only steal sales away from the X6.

Roadster44
03-10-2009, 03:23 AM
You honestly cannot compare X6 and PAS V5 purely because of their hatchback attributes. X6 is aimed at Cayenne, RR Sport, ML AMG and so forth. V5 is for those who don't like touring (station wagons) but those who don't want an SUV or an MPV, yet it gives a bit more commanding view of the road without the bad aura.

It's been done before with Opel Insignia and others...I just think that BMWs interpretation will be better. And please don't bring up the R-Class or Pacifica.

If you don't like the V5 it doesn't automatically equal that it'll be a failure, that's the point. Have you looked at the US car market lately? It is so ridiculously boring...if it wasn't for the downturn in the economy I really do believe that we'd see huge changes driven by consumer demand for more eccentric, personalized, statement sorts of vehicles.

Also do drop the notoriously stupid marketing people flawed logic of one model stealing sales away from the other...i.e. R8 vs Gallardo.

pjl35
03-10-2009, 03:34 AM
You honestly cannot compare X6 and PAS V5 purely because of their hatchback attributes. X6 is aimed at Cayenne, RR Sport, ML AMG and so forth. V5 is for those who don't like touring (station wagons) but those who don't want an SUV or an MPV, yet it gives a bit more commanding view of the road without the bad aura.

It's been done before with Opel Insignia and others...I just think that BMWs interpretation will be better. And please don't bring up the R-Class or Pacifica.

If you don't like the V5 it doesn't automatically equal that it'll be a failure, that's the point. Have you looked at the US car market lately? It is so ridiculously boring...if it wasn't for the downturn in the economy I really do believe that we'd see huge changes driven by consumer demand for more eccentric, personalized, statement sorts of vehicles.

Also do drop the notoriously stupid marketing people flawed logic of one model stealing sales away from the other...i.e. R8 vs Gallardo.

That "notoriously stupid marketing people flawed logic" isn't the same when it's within the same manufacturer. ie. competition between the R8 and Gallardo isn't anything like the expected competition between the V5 and the X6.

And last time I checked, just because a vehicle like the X6 is aimed at the Cayenne, Range Rover Sport, etc doesn't mean that those are necessarily the people who buy it. You simply cannot deny the fact that there will be people cross-shopping between the V5 and the X6. Especially if they're looking for that type of vehicle and see a similar one with a slightly different price parked right next to it.

bbp
03-10-2009, 03:39 AM
You simply cannot deny the fact that there will be people cross-shopping between the V5 and the X6.

Agreed. And they will be easy to pick. They will be the ones with dark glasses on and walking with their labradors.

Roadster44
03-10-2009, 04:29 AM
So what's your point?

bbp
03-10-2009, 06:51 AM
So what's your point?

Err .... they will be blind.

Reppu
03-10-2009, 05:26 PM
I would fancy a V5, a lot. But X6 would never be an option for me, it's just too huge. I don't think the overlap between both is that evident. I think few people would buy one or the other, instead i think people will buy one OR the other...if you get my meaning.

the1
03-19-2009, 02:23 PM
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2162/intcopy.jpg

Revealed in a BMW WEB TV video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k2EzaSKOzbA

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Puffhead
03-19-2009, 02:29 PM
This is still a concept, ain't it?

ROBonCARS
03-19-2009, 02:32 PM
Doesnt look like a concept to me