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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 10:12 PM
Old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1077748194" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....48194</A><p>sketch:<br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/Santeno/B9x.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/zoom-image.asp?/images/gallery/8388_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/zoom-image.asp?/images/gallery/8389_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carbon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spy-shots-2004/S/subaru/tribeca.html<p>flat boxer engine in a SUV sound great.<br>subaru 4wd on SUV sound great.<br>ex-Alfa designer designing SUV sound great.<br>low-to-mid $30,000 for a subaru it's about $10,000 too much.<p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/S/03-large/Subaru-Tribeca-01.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/S/03-large/Subaru-Tribeca-06.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/S/03-large/Subaru-Tribeca-04.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Continue discussion here.

jro4566
12-27-2004, 10:45 AM
Dual exhausts are a nice touch.

vassie
12-27-2004, 12:28 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.subarunews.net/b9xscoop01.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.subarunews.net/b9xscoop02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>more <A HREF="http://www.subarunews.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.subarunews.net</A>

Philsshon
12-27-2004, 02:13 PM
that is a chop i think. :)

jro4566
12-27-2004, 04:50 PM
Wow, it better not look totally like that. Wheels from an FX, grill trying to look nice like a C, rear from the upcoming Q7...

Naga Royal Guard
12-27-2004, 06:14 PM
subaru B9X as in Saab 9 - 7 X<p><br>i bet this chassis is also being developed for the nextgen saab suv, and designed to look 100% saab

Achilles
12-27-2004, 10:12 PM
the 9-7x is based off the GM Chevy Trailblazer/GMC Envoy platform. The B9 Tribeca (newly updated name) is a complete Subaru design, down to the awd and boxer 6 motor.<p>the next generation 9-7x or a new 9-6x will be based off the new B9.<p>freakin' alphabet soup <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
12-28-2004, 01:35 AM
There were also rumors in Car and Driver that the chassis is, for the most part, component shared with the Lambda platform, which will also provide the basis for GM's next-gen minivans and a new-generation of crossover SUVs. I don't know if I buy that though, because I remember hearing that the B-9 would be based on the Legacy platform.

Top Secret
12-28-2004, 02:41 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this car is an absolute ugly bastard? I mean, after seeing the Legacy/Liberty, I expected it to have a better exterior styling, but alas, it is not so.<p>I hate the new Subaru Design Chief, he designs absolutely crap-looking Subaru's, IMO of course. I mean, just look at the concpets they had at the Tokyo Motor Show last year! The Scrambler? Eugh!

CARSRTHEWORLD
12-28-2004, 03:20 AM
is this car meant to be a 4x4 like the x3 or a wagon/estate???

Philsshon
12-28-2004, 08:16 AM
source autoweek.com<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/subaru/b9x/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/subaru/b9x/images/2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/subaru/b9x/images/3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/subaru/b9x/images/4.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

iamalittlepepper
12-28-2004, 08:22 AM
I see a bit of Cayenne in the front headlights.. yikes.. Subaru wants to be controversial?!?! Honestly I don't like any Andreas Zapatinas work (from Alfa to Subaru (basically a rehash of his work at AR)).. and this is just another one of them

[AP]adiweb
12-28-2004, 08:24 AM
wow, that looks really awesome. The new "family face" looks not as bad as i thought it might will. It looks like as if Nissan's Murano will have a hrad life <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

HondaTech
12-28-2004, 08:31 AM
Very Alfa Romeo. Good job. However, I'm still not sure if this is good enough to compete with the X5 or RX330.

neburg964
12-28-2004, 09:09 AM
Definitely a cross between Alfa Romeo and Murano. However, I'm not entirely sure I like the center "shield" grille. For some reason, I think it would look better if the alignment was rotated 180 degrees, so the narrow portion was at the bottom. This would definitely make the car look more Alfa-ish.<p>Can someone photochop this? I don't have chop, nor do I know how to use it. It would be interesting to see the result.<p>PS - I will be very interested in the Saab version. A turbo H6? Awesome!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by neburg964 at 11:35 AM 12/28/2004</i>

jro4566
12-28-2004, 09:33 AM
Not bad, but it will take some time for me to get adjusted to that grill.<p>BTW, I'm beginning to wonder if this will be the next XL-7...a 7-passenger crossover SUV under the 3-5-7 plan.

turbonium959
12-28-2004, 09:50 AM
Man, I can see so many different cars in this one. Rear end looks like BMW X3, X5, rear window from Nissan Murano, rear hatch (profile view) looks like from Lexus RX330, and the wheels look like those off of Infinity QX series. The front end looks unique and very appealing. Hopefully, the rest of Subie line will follow.

nstreet16
12-28-2004, 11:51 AM
O GOD THAT IS JUST NASTY... so bulgy in soo many areas.... i dont think it fits with the american designs, edgy, sleek, innovative. like others i agree, this is just sooo alfa romeo (which is sooo european!).

Alx1rl
12-28-2004, 12:24 PM
Why would Subaru do this. They were somewhat on a roll. WTF happened!

Ascariss
12-28-2004, 01:20 PM
Murano in drag. Makes sense create a crossover to compete with the likes of Nissan and toyota. It's not completely horrible, but it ain't amazing either. There is something familar about it that when you look at it, it doesn't jump out at you, like an everyday car, it has been done and let's move on. Will it sell, probably, why because, if you like Subaru and didn't want to move to another brand for a crossover like this, now is the chance to own a Subaru crossover. And hey it even hints at the competition. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

bucket
12-28-2004, 01:28 PM
i think subaru will sell plenty on the wings of brand loyalty alone, but the styling is definitely questionable. they are definitely going to have to make the interior/price stand out if they want to compete with the highlander, murano/pathfinder, and pilot.

Player4
12-28-2004, 01:48 PM
I dont see any shape in this thing, i mean is it an SUV, Wagon or what? Subaru really ****ed this up i do not like this i expected WAY more in terms of styling and size this is gonna be a big let down for some Subaru fans out there, i do not see this competing with Pilot or Highlander not even Pacifica or even Freestyle.<p>This is sad..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
12-28-2004, 02:04 PM
I agree, i saw the legacy and it looked so good and this thing looks like a murano with a shoten front end and a differnt rear. If the interiors any good it may make up for the exterior.

drugmirko
12-28-2004, 02:23 PM
I'vbeen arguing with some members on old forum, that those new, three section grills, that apeared on fiew last Subbie protoypes is not Alfa rip-off and that there were many cars with simmilar solution of grilles as recent Alfa's have these days, on concepts and production modlels. simmilar in princip and basic shape... and I still stand on that oppinion!<p>BUT THIS IS ABSOLUTE ALFA RIP-OFF! <p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/subaru/b9x/images/2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>sad and pathetic... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
12-28-2004, 03:03 PM
Andreas Zapatinas is a former Alfa Romeo designer. Are any of you that surprised that the guy has continued to pen variations of ideas he was already familiar with? I mean didn't DaSilva do something similar when he went to Seat? How about Bryan Nesbit (who can't seem to get over the PT Cruiser)? or Jay Mays and Freeman Thomas with their apparent love of ovoid shapes?<p>I'm no fan of the fron end design in those pics, but the rest of the vehicles is rather fetching. Let's wait and see some more pics.

Naga Royal Guard
12-28-2004, 03:35 PM
Mays has been sent to london i think

spwolf
12-28-2004, 03:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Andreas Zapatinas is a former Alfa Romeo designer. Are any of you that surprised that the guy has continued to pen variations of ideas he was already familiar with? I mean didn't DaSilva do something similar when he went to Seat? How about Bryan Nesbit (who can't seem to get over the PT Cruiser)? or Jay Mays and Freeman Thomas with their apparent love of ovoid shapes?<p>I'm no fan of the fron end design in those pics, but the rest of the vehicles is rather fetching. Let's wait and see some more pics.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you are correct HOWEVER it does look as if he designed it together with 147 (did he actually do that?) with a lot of RX in it and front mask that he tried so hard to make different than Alfa's but managed to make it ugliest thing I ever saw in my whole life.<p>This car would look good with Alfa's front end mask, right now it looks like ugly offspring of 147, RX and something of an alien origin. Who the heck approved this design? Stupid GM.

Naga Royal Guard
12-28-2004, 03:39 PM
would you rather subaru sell a rebadged envoy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ?

drugmirko
12-28-2004, 03:44 PM
yes Santeno, I know all that and I agrie with you in general, but.... that grille design Zapatinas did on B11S and that cabrio B9C can be placed under your description of variation of same theme. this is practicaly copy/paste of 147 rear end. <p>even DaSilvas designs at Seat are more distant from HIS designe ideas he had at Alfa. frankly, the only thing on Seats that can be realy traced directly to Alfa are rear lights of Ibiza. and Cordoba with it's rear end looks like Bulgarian Alfa 156, mainly because of that lights design (no offence ment to Bulgarians <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ). all later works like Salsa, Tango&co. are completly diferent from things he did in AR.<p>

drugmirko
12-28-2004, 03:51 PM
<br>or, let look at "variations":<p>original (ignore Q4 height):<p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50475.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>variation No.1 (factory):<p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/A/alfa-romeo/147/03-large/05-r3q-a2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>variation No.2:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/subaru/b9x/images/2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>this is too simmilar to use at completly different manufacturer model for my taste <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
12-28-2004, 05:32 PM
I think everything is very nice except for the front grille. That front grille, if left unchanged, is what is going to keep this from becoming a sales success. If they make it more conservative and pleasant, them it will sell.

knicks125
12-28-2004, 06:07 PM
A little weird-looking thru. first glance, but after further examining, it looks alright. <p>Front and back of the car, among other parts of the car, need to be re-visited by Subaru, IMO. Overall, nothing too exciting, although I can see the uncoventional looks might appeal well to many buyers and sell well.

Naga Royal Guard
12-28-2004, 06:10 PM
i dont think this is any more daring than the murano, this could be the Moo-rano

taskbearer
12-28-2004, 07:41 PM
All Zapatinas subaru designs have been very unpromising, they always have some sort of wierd look which leaned much closer to utter ugliness. The most appealing of his work turns out to be the very conservative legacy.

Top Secret
12-28-2004, 08:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All Zapatinas subaru designs have been very unpromising, they always have some sort of wierd look which leaned much closer to utter ugliness. The most appealing of his work turns out to be the very conservative legacy. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, Zapatinas did not actually design the Liberty, it was already signed off before he moved to Subaru. If I'm not mistaken, the fellow who designed the McLaren F1 designed the Liberty/Legacy.

jijboi25
12-28-2004, 09:06 PM
This Subaru looks kinda like an old Hyundai concept called the Crosstour:<p><A HREF="http://www.quickdrive.com/VirtualAutoShow/2000Show/AutoShow/crosstour1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.quickdrive.com/Virt...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.cars.com/carsapp/national/?srv=parser&act=display&tf=/features/autoshow2000/concept/hyundai/crosstour.tmpl" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cars.com/carsapp/na....tmpl</A><br> go to the gallery<p>From cars.com

jidli
12-28-2004, 09:37 PM
Given the looks, it seems more likely to compete (atleast in US) with the <p><B>Saturn Relay</B><br><IMG SRC="http://www.outerringperformance.com/carshows/concepts/33205-relayunveiled-01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>and<br><B>Buick Terraza</B><br><IMG SRC="http://x.wieck.com/pv/WKA/2003/12/04/WKA2003120461864_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:34 AM 12/29/2004</i>

jidli
12-28-2004, 09:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Actually, Zapatinas did not actually design the Liberty, it was already signed off before he moved to Subaru. If I'm not mistaken, the fellow who designed the McLaren F1 designed the Liberty/Legacy.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nope, it was mentioned by Zapatinas that the B9 will be the new corporate face and designed by him and team, after defecting from Alfa. See the snout and that too is a bigger version of the Alfa front.<br>

Gian86
12-28-2004, 09:57 PM
Woww. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>What a good looking crossover 4wd car from Subaru. Nice styling and subaru's front grille makes the first best looking subaru car i've seen with it's all new grille, which is does look similar to Alfa Romeo from the same designer who done this car and many Alfa Romeo cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian05 at 9:12 PM 12/28/2004</i>

jro4566
12-28-2004, 10:19 PM
The greenhouse, especially the rear window look too small. It makes me wonder if blind-spots will be a problem on this vehicle.

Top Secret
12-29-2004, 12:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jidli</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Nope, it was mentioned by Zapatinas that the B9 will be the new corporate face and designed by him and team, after defecting from Alfa. See the snout and that too is a bigger version of the Alfa front.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, I too noticed that, but what relevance does this post have to mine? <p>Anyway, the significance of this whole 'corporate face' is actually very historic. You first have the part where the Subaru logo and then either side, you have grilles resembling 'wings'. This is to be a tribute to the original Subaru where they started off making aeroplanes. You know - aeroplanes/wings...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gian05</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Woww. <br>What a good looking crossover 4wd car from Subaru. Nice styling and subaru's front grille makes the first best looking subaru car i've seen with it's all new grille, which is does look similar to Alfa Romeo from the same designer who done this car and many Alfa Romeo cars.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You aren't really serious are you? If you are, eesh man! But of course, each man to his own. Just curious, if you really do like this car, what kind of cars appeal to you, design-wise?

JBlair
12-29-2004, 01:07 AM
Actually this car is a combination of several different company's styles and design trends. The most obvious is Alfa Romeo in the front and rear (though not exactly overt), the side profile is reminiscent of both the Acura MDX and Lexus RX, and the overall vehicle is in the same stying vein as the Nissan Murano. Despite what I may think (I don't like it yet, and I don't think the market will either), the fact that this car is a combination of several other styles will help it sell in mass quantities. From the company that brought us the bug-eyed Impreza and the Forester and that odd truck wannabe thing, this thing is downright conservative and handsomely styled. And besides, what place is it of anyone else's to criticise another person's interest in certain cars?

Gian86
12-29-2004, 02:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You aren't really serious are you? If you are, eesh man! But of course, each man to his own. Just curious, if you really do like this car, what kind of cars appeal to you, design-wise?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Really, i like that car's design but the problem is i love subaru's new grille that looks alot like alfa romeo. But the problem is that how this designer done the last subaru car called R1 (the newest small car from Subaru), he made this concept from Tokyo Motor Show last year which is this prototype version looks mad with it's new corporate grille. When the production version of R1 comes out, it ruined big time with the front end such as lights, design and mostly the new subaru grille that looks terribly disgusting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">. The design side and back end of R1 still looks the same as the concept but not the front end. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>That's why i'm bit angry with that designer now because what he done B9X right now, it remind me from R1. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I hope this designer should not destory all subaru cars in the future. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian05 at 5:42 PM 12/30/2004</i>

taskbearer
12-29-2004, 02:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gian05</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I hope this designer should not destory all subaru cars in the future. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Probably he has alraedy started, the spy pictures of the next gen impreza makes the previous bug eye folly very conservative. Maybe they would call in Peter Stevens again to shapen it up.<br>The B9X is not nearly as good looking as its rivals. Competition is going to be hard, only If Subaru can work some WRX magic can they stand a chance. If not for a regular crossover there are better looking choices.

AXLE
12-29-2004, 07:18 AM
Has this subaru designer have any originality? Upsidedown Alfa Grille? Common People <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> If this guy was hired by a company on the otherside of the world he should try to use some new ideas, not stuff that he has blatantly used already on one of the most recognizable cars in the world!!!! Pity, I was actually expecting it to look good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Someone mentioned a Turbo H6.....<p>Why would you put a Flat 6 turbo in a minivan? To get the kids to soccer practice quicker? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>About the Saab version...<p>Personally I think that thing is hideous. What was the General thinking when they made a trailblazer a Saab? and now they want to make this thing a Saab? What happened to Saabs sporting image? The general does not take any prisoners of war and in this case Saab is all but a bullet filled corpse. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
12-29-2004, 01:15 PM
This car is really interesting<p>It looks like the Nissan Murano from the side and the Pontiac Aztec from the front.<p>I don't like the back b/c it does not look like an SUV; it looks like a station wagon. The front is too crowded with grills. Also, the back has a weird dent that I don't like either.<p>Overall...C-/D+

Top Secret
12-29-2004, 06:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AXLE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why would you put a Flat 6 turbo in a minivan? To get the kids to soccer practice quicker? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I guess the same reason why you would put a twin-turbo V8 into an SUV.<p>Anyway, Subaru only utilises 4 or so engines for their whole entire lineup, so I don't think developing a whole new engine for this car would be a tad pointless since it's probably not going to sell much either.

taskbearer
12-30-2004, 04:11 AM
A flat 6 turbo would make a good fight against the porsche cayene, IMO the subaru would be much lighter and lower center of gravity would help. Only the looks would be enough to scare the narest competitor <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

neburg964
12-30-2004, 11:21 AM
I mentioned the H-6 turbo. Only because of the performance potential and because so many Subie's are sold in high-altitude environments where a turbo would be beneficial. It doesn't have to be anything major, even a light-pressure turbo would be fine.<p>As to the Saab version, I'm not talking about that 9-7x. I'm talking about Saab's version of the B9X. If the Saab is mechanically a Subaru, but with Saab styling, I'd be interested.<p>When you live in an environment where snow, rough roads, and potholes are a way of life, you tend not to look at every crossover SUV as a "mommy-van". I don't need a solid-axle, rough riding vehicle. Add in the fact that I frequently need the extra cargo capacity and one of these vehicles would do the job for me. I do NOT need a big hulking V8 Expedition or Suburban, so a smooth riding Murano - Pilot - Highlander starts to make sense. The Subie, however, comes with a serious all-wheel-drive pedigree, whereas the others are relatively new to the game.<p>Unfortunately, the Legacy Outback is just a bit too small for me, comfort-wise, and that's yet another reason a crossover looks attractive. And that's why a light pressure H-6 turbo with Subaru's all-wheel-drive, wrapped up in Saab bodywork, sounds good to me. Too bad the Subaru is so ugly...<p>For what its worth, as much as I hate the concept of the 9-7x, I think it's the best looking version of the Trailblazer clones. I'd still never own one in a million years, but then again I wouldn't own any Trailblazer variant.<p>Thanks for letting me vent!<p>

zoo_b
12-30-2004, 05:55 PM
Yes I too hope that stylistically the Saab version will be superior, because based on what's there mechanically, it seems like a nice crossover. Just can't wait to see the Saab version.

drugmirko
01-01-2005, 12:22 PM
<br>here... it looks bit better than on those first pics.... I think it's the shooting angle.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/skinkmania/subarub9x28largeimagefile293.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>found on Autoscoops.tk

Redline
01-01-2005, 12:40 PM
Well, the interior is terrific. At least in the front. The exterior still isn't that great looking, but I might get used to it. At least the interior looks high quality and interesting.

Charger
01-01-2005, 12:44 PM
That picture doesnt help much. I liked the Subarus now but I dont like where they are heading.

sexy
01-01-2005, 12:46 PM
wow the crossover or 4X4 is really nice.It looks quite ugly with disguises.Go onto thecarconnection.com and you will see it there.

Charger
01-01-2005, 12:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sexy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow the crossover or 4X4 is really nice.It looks quite ugly with disguises.Go onto thecarconnection.com and you will see it there.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>See what? I went there and I dont see the Subaru.

sexy
01-01-2005, 01:03 PM
scroll down untill you see Subaru Tribeca

autodanse
01-01-2005, 01:56 PM
that interior is amazing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>what's the news on the Saab variant?? is it supposed to be at detroit also?

JBlair
01-01-2005, 02:51 PM
Not until next year or the year after. The Saab at Detroit will be the GMC Envoy/Trailblazer based 9-7X

SV
01-01-2005, 03:20 PM
i love this car personally, it has a cool interior design too, but the hood looks a bit short and minivan-ish. i hope this won't be too expensive.

999
01-01-2005, 03:20 PM
"I think everything is very nice except for the front grille. That front grille, if left unchanged, is what is going to keep this from becoming a sales success. If they make it more conservative and pleasant, them it will sell."<p><br>yeh, only if the grille can look better<br>like this one<p><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/3383/r2019qi.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/3787/770279eq.jpg" BORDER="0">

autodanse
01-01-2005, 03:46 PM
can anyone make a chop of the b9x more in line with its sketch? the front looked much better without all the horizontal chrome bars that the production has. i think that's what is ultimately killing the design.<br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/ava561/b9x.bmp" BORDER="0">

autodanse
01-01-2005, 03:55 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/ava561/b9x2.bmp" BORDER="0"><p>actually, i went ahead and did a fast job on paint. i think it makes the front look a little better. but if someone could do a chop of the small car 999 posted, thatd be awesome.<p><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/3383/r2019qi.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

DrPetrus
01-02-2005, 02:55 AM
I really don¬Ět understand the world any longer. Who in their right mind would pass over the sketch above for the final result of the B9X? Apparently GM, Subaru and, by the sound of it, most of the posters in this thread. So therefore I must be wrong and the rest of the world is right. God, I hope the Saab version looks better. Just look at the headlights! I know that design is a very subjective and personal thing but... Just look at the headlights! The design study at least had some presence. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Feel free to edit this one. I just had to blow off some steam.

drugmirko
01-02-2005, 04:31 AM
<br>eh... DrP. if you'll feel any better, there are at least two of us that think these way... and I had same thoughts a week ago... especialy when eweryone sees that grille as Alfa's grile and nobody sees it's back end as almost complete photocopy of 147. there must be something wrong with us <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

sexy
01-02-2005, 12:15 PM
someone was saying how much it costs? <br>i dont think it is expensive.I think it could be around 30,000 to 50,000 pounds

jro4566
01-02-2005, 01:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sexy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">someone was saying how much it costs? <br>i dont think it is expensive.I think it could be around 30,000 to 50,000 pounds</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In the US, the B9X is expected to cost around $35-45K.

sexy
01-02-2005, 01:34 PM
really thats cheap<br>

jro4566
01-02-2005, 02:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sexy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">really thats cheap</TD></TR></TABLE><p>For a luxury car, yes. For a Subaru, no.

bolita
01-03-2005, 08:58 AM
Subaru has always had some controversial designs out their. This one despite being controversial looks unique enough for those none loyalists that want to stand out. <p>In any case I like the new family face more on the Japanese market only R1` and R2

pedro
01-03-2005, 10:00 AM
sexy, in the US Subarus tend to run cheaper than in the UK, althought they've been running more and more upscale of late. <br>For example, in the US the WRX STI costs $32,000. or only 16,800 pounds!<br>compared to 25,995 pounds or 49,533 US dollars!<br>

sexy
01-03-2005, 10:11 AM
really? So they are cheaper to run in the US

SV
01-03-2005, 11:00 AM
i think in britain cars are just more expensive, most family sedans there with engines and specifications similar to a base camry or accord start at the equivalent of around $25,000.

Santeno
01-03-2005, 11:03 AM
If by run you mean own and operate, then yes they are. $45K for a subaru is a drastic increase from what the market has traditionally been willing to pay for any vehicle from this brand. Also that price cuts well into the territory of established brands and vehicles for which people are more than willing to spend the money. Unless this vehicle is something truly special and unique (like having WRX style performance), I see this vehicle suffering from the same disease as VW's Phaeton.

Naga Royal Guard
01-03-2005, 11:07 AM
3.0 L H6, hope they have the cams running overtime

bolita
01-03-2005, 11:54 AM
I think that Subaru has improved dramitically its fit and finish as well as the quality of its materials to be able to pretend the retail price proposed for the Tribeca. In any case its a US only vehicle (as far as I know) and they have enough loyalists that outgrow the Outback and migrate elsewhere to make their business case.<p>In any case much better idea than the baja...

Zizo
01-03-2005, 05:41 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8760_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8761_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.com</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 4:51 PM 1/3/2005</i>

taskbearer
01-04-2005, 03:13 AM
The design of this car is so derivative that they had to give it an ugly front end to make it stand out. I guess that was the drive behind the nose design. Maybe subaru can make ugly seem beautiful after a while just like porsche 911 and saabs. But I don't see myself liking these designs ever.

sexy
01-04-2005, 03:28 AM
This is Subaru second ever SUV or 4X4. The first one was the Forester which is OK but this is better, more roomy,bigger and more powerful

Top Secret
01-04-2005, 03:45 AM
Forester kicks arse! Especially the XT verions.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> The Forester is the best in it's class against other heavy-hitters such as the CR-V, RAV4 and the Outlander.<p>I'd much rather pick a Forester than this ugly hippo called the B9X! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

sexy
01-04-2005, 03:55 AM
The B9X is much better than the Forester by a million miles. I used to really like the Forester and now I don't plus the B9X can kick the Foresters ass any day

Top Secret
01-04-2005, 04:00 AM
Uh huh...yeeah..<p>Just exactly HOW is it better than the Forester?

sexy
01-04-2005, 04:02 AM
Top Secret it is bigger,better faster,luxurious and higher

Top Secret
01-04-2005, 04:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sexy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Top Secret it is bigger,better faster,luxurious and higher</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd hardly say that bigger is better and how do you know it is faster? The Forester XT can do 0-100km/h in 6.3sec. and yes, it might be more luxurious, but if it is higher it means it has more body rool and therefore won't handle better.

sexy
01-04-2005, 04:39 AM
Because it has a 3.0 V6 engine. That is the only engine i know

bolita
01-04-2005, 07:54 AM
The fit and finish along with the quality of the materials will be much better than any other Subaru...Including the Outback H6

Top Secret
01-04-2005, 05:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sexy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because it has a 3.0 V6 engine. That is the only engine i know</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Does that mean anything though? It will most probably be really heavy - in the 1800kg-1900kg region I believe.<p>And it doesnt have a V6 engine, it has a Flat 6.

bolita
01-05-2005, 07:13 AM
I highly doubt that it will be that heavy. The Forester & Outback are around 1300/1350 kgs so this should weigh more than 1400 - 1500 kgs tops. Dont forget Subaru uses a lot of aluminum

Charger
01-06-2005, 02:34 PM
<br>Now its called the B9 Tribeca<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Subaru Renames B9X Already<br>Subaru has yet to take the wraps off its new SUV but already the vehicle's undergoing a name change of sorts. At first, Subaru dubbed its new seven-passenger, all-wheel-drive wagon the B9X. But after some rethinking -- would something so "benign" ever sell in the U.S.? -- the company has announced the official name of the 'ute will be the B9 Tribeca. The Tribeca seven-seater will come with a version of Subaru's six-cylinder boxer engine and will sport a price tag in the low-$30,000 range when it goes on sale early this summer. A Saab version of the same vehicle, likely to be called the 9-6X, will arrive early in 2006. Both vehicles will be built at the Subaru factory in West Lafayette, Ind.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: edmunds

JBlair
01-06-2005, 02:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I highly doubt that it will be that heavy. The Forester & Outback are around 1300/1350 kgs so this should weigh more than 1400 - 1500 kgs tops. Dont forget Subaru uses a lot of aluminum</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What does that equate to in pounds. (remember, here in the US we are in the dark ages and don't use the metric system)

knicks125
01-06-2005, 05:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Now its called the B9 Tribeca<p>source: edmunds</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought they always had the Tribeca name attach to it?

RS
01-06-2005, 07:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What does that equate to in pounds. (remember, here in the US we are in the dark ages and don't use the metric system)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Just multiply by 2.2

thegriffon
01-07-2005, 07:22 PM
Actually it never had the Tribeca name attached to it. That's just what you were told by the media. FHI actually considered Halifax before choosing B9X. By the time they announced it though everyone had Tribeca fixed in their minds and the dealers kicked up a stink. Some magazines were so commited to Tribeca they just assumed that FHI planned to rename the production model sometime after the Detroit show. Check the spy shots of the ad shoot though - it's still badged B9X. In the end FHI was forced to change the name, but it must have cost them a truck load of money. They will have to change the badging and graphics in that ad for starters.

Hexa VVRCi
01-07-2005, 11:16 PM
Here is some more info and im sorry if its been post already but this is what was in the brochure: <p>250hp 6-cylinder Subaru Boxer engine<br>Symmetrical AWD<br>5speed auto/manual gearbox<br>Double Wishbone rear suspension<br>Vehicle Dynamics Control<br>front side and curtain airbags<br>projector beam headlamps<br>subaru airfoil grill<br>intergrated rear spoiler<br>18x8-inch 7-spoke alloy wheels<br>wave-design instrument panel (very cool BTW)<br>64 cargo/seat positions<br>recline/silde 2nd row with 35/30/35 split<br>touch screen NAV<br>9 speak audio with MP3<br>DVD rear entertainment with 9-inch screen<br>tyre pressure monitoring<br>moonroof<br>power seats<br>ETC

Laguna
01-21-2005, 02:41 AM
WOW

Laguna
01-21-2005, 02:42 AM
Article from Autocar:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Subaru describes its all-new B9 Tribeca as a "progressive SUV that offers agility, stability and versatility". Most of the observers at the Detroit unveiling also described it as unnecessarily ugly, mostly thanks to Subaru's controversial new corporate nose design.<p>The B9 is based on a stretched Legacy platform (its 2748mm wheelbase is 76mm longer than the Legacy estate) and can accommodate up to seven passengers, although the third row is more suitable for children. The middle row of seats can be slid backwards and forwards.<p>The 250bhp 3.0-litre flat-six engine drives Subaru's signature permanent 4x4 system through a five-speed auto-box. The company says it has developed an all-new double wishbone rear suspension set-up. The Tribeca's new body structure is already an impressive 50 per cent stiffer than the new Legacy estate.<p>Headed up by ex-Alfa Romeo designer Andreas Zapatinas, Subaru's design team has developed a new corporate look for the B9 and says that the two "wings" that flank the central air intake (relate to the history of Subaru as an aircraft manufacturer). And there's more than a passing resemblance to the Porsche Cayenne in the headlamps.<p>Saab will also be building a version, the 9-6X, which also goes on sale in the US later this year. This car is expected to be previewed at the New York Show this March. Both cars will be built at Subaru's US plant in Lafayette.<p>A decision on exporting the cars globally will be made this month, although Saab hopes to sell the car in UK.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Source: Autocar<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:45 PM 1/21/2005</i>

PlatForm
02-07-2005, 10:06 AM
They really are all at it now. Subaru has unveiled its take on the SUV, the seven-seater B9 Tribeca.<p>Previewing at Geneva, it will be all-wheel-drive and powered by a six-cylinder 3.0-litre boxer engine similar to the one in the Legacy.<p>It will be built in Indiana and initially go on sale only in the US, Canada and Chile.<p><br><IMG SRC="http://motoring.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/graphics/2005/02/02/mnsub02.jpg" BORDER="0">