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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 10:00 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1075772886" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....72886</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><b>Here is some info from Autocar Magazine about the Esprit replacement and another model; as well as an official lotus sketch of the possible Esprit replacement:</b><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk//Car/Lotus/Esprit/224454432.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><i>LOTUS AIMS HIGH WITH ESPRIT FOR 2006<p>Lotus is working at top speed to design and develop a secret new 75,000 supercar to replace the 25-year-old Esprit in two years time. The Norfolk-based manufacturer recently invited Autocar up to its headquarters; as well as allowing us lap their test track, as you can see in the video section, they revealed their plans for the next five years.<p>Pictured above is an official Lotus drawing and above and in our gallery, enhanced by computer design, the new Esprit  a mid-engined two-door coup with compact styling and dimensions, sophisticated aerodynamics, ultra-agile handling and a top speed close to 200mph  is being engineered to suit all the major car markets of the world.<p>Lotus aims to offer markedly better performance and value for money than established opponents like the Porsche 911, Ferrari 360 and Lamborghini Gallardo. The two-seat supercars launch is probably being planned for Geneva 2006, because the original production Esprit made its debut there in 1975.<p>Another new Hethel supercar will be launched about a year later, in 2007, to fill the price gap between the Elise and Esprit. The car is likely to be a two-plus-two front-engined coup priced at around 50,000, quite different in mechanical layout to the others, but sharing a remarkable number of its chassis components and running gear with them.<p>This new three-tier product line-up shows for the first time how Lotus plans to fulfil the forecast made last year by the companys deputy chairman, Victor Kiam, to develop Hethel as a 10,000-a-year sports car manufacturing business.<p>Versatile Vehicle Architecture (VVA) allows models as disparate as a front-engined four-seater and a mid-engined two-seater to share high-investment chassis parts, leading to a dramatic cut in development and manufacturing costs. The process is so flexible, say Lotus engineers, that it will eventually be adopted for all three Lotus models: the 25,000 transverse mid-engined roadster (the Elise replacement); a 50,000 front-engined two-plus-two coup; and a 75,000, 200mph mid-engined 21st century Esprit.<p>Two years from launch, the team was reluctant to go into too much detail about the new supercar. Autocars own deductions about the new mid-engined supercar and its future are that it will probably not use the Esprit name. The construction method will be so different and the level of design sophistication so much greater than the old cars, that the two would have little in common.<p>It will use a longitudinally mounted engine, probably a forced-induction V8, mounted behind the occupants heads, possibly supplied by Toyota. Lotus may, however, eventually build its own engine for the top two models, whose volume could reach 2000-3000 a year.<p>The cars 1300kg weight and 1900mm width targets will make it a very agile car. Lotus is already admitting its dimensions will probably allow a return to racing for the quickest versions.</i><p><b>BTW, the drawing of the blue car was made by Autocar from the lotus sketch (though not very convincingly IMO). Anyhow, It sounds like interesting things will be comming out of Lotus in the near future. About freaking time!<p><i>=Santeno=</i></b></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><b>Here is an article from today's Autocar:</b><p><IMG SRC="http://www.bilsport.se/bild_arkiv/13/00000005513.gif" BORDER="0"><p><i>M5'S ENGINE COULD POWER NEXT ESPRIT<p>The next Lotus Esprit is tipped to use one of Autocars favourite engines of recent years: BMWs firecracker V8 from the recently departed M5 saloon (right).<p>Senior-placed sources have confirmed that Hethel is considering the 4.9-litre lump from the outgoing E39 5-series. Lotus had previously been linked with Toyota, following the deal to supply the Celica engine for the latest Elise 111R.<p>In BMWs application, the V8 developed 400bhp and 369lb ft of torque. Lotus is considering a forced induction system to raise outputs further and has proven experience from turbocharging the previous Esprit.<p>Following the classic supercar formula, the V8 will be mounted longitudinally amidships in the Esprits extruded aluminium chassis, driving the rear wheels. The cars modern, wedgy shape was first revealed in our scoop on 3 February.<p>The current Esprit ceased production this spring and its successor  tipped to carry a different name  will be launched in 2006. Priced at around 75,000, it will rival supercars such as the Porsche 911 Turbo, Ferrari 360 Modena and Lamborghini Gallardo.</i><p><IMG SRC="http://www.bilsport.se/bild_arkiv/12/00000005512.gif" BORDER="0"><br>Image Source: <A HREF="http://www.bilsport.se" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilsport.se</A><p><b><i>=Santeno=</i></b><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nahar79</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>New article from Autoexpress.<p><i>Thursday 16th September 2004 <br> <br><b>Secret New Esprit Taking Shape</b><br> <br>Lotus isn't only working on the new GT - this week's Auto Express magazine features the first-ever pictures of the latest Esprit.<p>The next Esprit will be significantly different, and will use the all-new VVA platform. The wheelbase and axle length can be altered to give different chassis sizes, meaning it will form the basis of several future Lotus projects. Company bosses have admitted the new supercar is <br>currently being assessed, but say a decision has yet to be taken on the choice of engine and transmission. It's rumoured the V8 unit from the old Esprit could make a comeback. <p>A spokesman told us: "We don't build the V8 any more, but it's still an advanced hi-tech unit. It propelled the last Esprit from 0-60mph in 4.8 seconds, so it's certainly an avenue of investigation." The car is due to arrive in 2006.</i><p>Can anybody scan the Autoexpress picture, please? Thanks.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>continue discussion here.

odic
01-08-2005, 01:33 PM
hmm<br>i see some gallardo in it, am i right?

Rugbyplaya91
01-08-2005, 01:34 PM
looks like it from the back odic

odic
01-08-2005, 01:50 PM
i see some gallardo in the front too :s<p>i'll search a blue gallardo if you want<p>

odic
01-08-2005, 01:52 PM
btw, in the back i see a hided throttle on both sides <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>so we have 6 throttles :p<br>

Orestes
04-28-2005, 03:20 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmag.com/Car/Lotus/Esprit/14551133261.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>Production of the next-generation Lotus Esprit is set ot move overseas</u>, <FONT SIZE="1">possibly to Malaysia, in a cost-cutting move aimed at improving profit at the British sports car maker</FONT> <p>The new Esprit is pencilled in for launch in 2007/8, and revealed here in Lotus' own design sketches (not the Esprit moniker on the rear pillar). It's an all-alloy mid-engined design using Lotus' VVA- versatile vehicle architecture  that allows front and mid-engined designs to be built using the same structural building blocks. And in a shock move, sources say that it could use the AMG-sourced V8 from the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren.<p>Several sources report that Lotus is looking at overseas production and the plan appears to be an open secret among the workforce at Lotus' Hethel HQ in Norfolk.<p>'The Esprit would be the focus of the decision.' said an insider familiar with the project, 'but I think it boils down to a question of whether you harm your brand by moving production overseas.'<p>Today's Elise is not being considered for overseas production, according to our source. 'You would expect us to go with a new car first,' he said.<p>Although Lotus won't confirm its plans, in a statement the company admitted to considering 'additional production sites. 'Lotus will continue to manufacture cars and components at its headquarters in Hethel, and has not ruled out opening additional manufacturing facilities elsewhere.'<p>Malaysia is understood to be the favoured option because that's the home of Lotus' parent company Proton. And costs are lower than in the UK.<p>But shifting production of the new 75,000 Esprit  set to be one of the jewels in the crown of Britain's sports car industry  overseas would be a huge blow to the UK car industry as a whole.<p>News of the plan will also be a bitter blow to Lotus's long-suffering workforce. At the end of this year production of the Vauxhall VX220 will cease and new projects such as the Esprit offered hope to the 400-strong workforce that Hethel would be kept busy.<p>In 2003, Lotus management predicted a rosy future with production of 10,000 cars a year, split between three different models  the Elise, Esprit and a front-engined 2+2 coupe positioned between the two. Lotus says that this strategy is still current.<p>The key to this potential is VVA, which would enable several cars to be developed from the same architecture and so spread costs over a large production run.<p>In the new Esprit, the engine is likely to be an in-line mounted V8 with forced-induction. The target weight is a competitive 1300kg and racing is a major consideration in designing cooling and aerodynamics. It's also said to have a sophisticated launch control and stability system.<p>Meanwhile, sources say that engineering prototypes of the new Esprit have been seen at Hethel in recent days. Observers say that a car is being tested alongside a McLaren SLR and that two share a very similar engine note, fuelling the speculation about the use of the AMG V8.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Source: Autocar<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:01 AM 4/28/2005</i>

Santeno
05-06-2005, 07:07 AM
Here's another rendering of what a potential Esprit replacement might look like. I believe the rendering was generated as part of the same batch of sketches above but was misidentified as an Elise:<p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/Santeno/espritconcept.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>If someone knows the original source, please let me know.

AM2K
05-06-2005, 05:59 PM
It could be part of the Autocar sketches that were done as part of the special Lotus article they did...

Santeno
06-14-2005, 07:33 AM
Further confirmation that Lotus might be moving Esprit production to Malaysia:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EASTERN PROMISE FOR LOTUS<p>from East Anglia to East Asia - production of a new Lotus is heading out of Norfolk for the first time ever. The famous sports car manufacturer is running out of room at its home in Hethel, near Norwich. And now bosses say they could shift production of the firm's forthcoming new Esprit - the first details of which were revealed on its 2005 calendar - to a plant in Malaysia. That's where parent company Proton is based. <p>The Esprit was axed last year, an the popular Elise two-seater now takes up all the UK factory's capacity. A Lotus spokesman said: "Production of the new Esprit will begin in 2007, but the Hethel site simply isn't big enough to cope. We believe people would rather see us spend money on product development than increasing existing facility capacity." However, the future of the plant has been guaranteed for at least the next 10 years, with production of the Elise likely to remain in the UK.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Source: AutoExpress

wallabyguy
07-18-2005, 01:22 PM
Santeno,<p>The pic you posted is from the 2005 Lotus Design Calender.

Santeno
07-18-2005, 01:48 PM
great thanks for the info.

DSC-OFF
03-17-2006, 04:15 PM
<IMG SRC="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c306/ef0ne2/dejbgthjri5jg.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/65438/this_week.html" TARGET="_blank">AutoExpress</A><br> <br>

wallabyguy
03-17-2006, 06:21 PM
The pic is not of the next Esprit. Autocar has it wrong. Try S3 Elise instead.

mr_putter
03-18-2006, 05:08 AM
The pictures at the top remind me of an old concept car, but being an Esprit, it will have amazing handling.

DSC-OFF
05-19-2006, 12:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lotus has given the beleagured British car industry a small shot in the arm by <B>confirming that it will build its replacement for the Esprit at its factory at Hethel in Norfolk</B>.<p>A release from Lotus this afternoon confirmed that the car - "positioned at the higher end of the Lotus range" - <B>will enter production in Spring 2008</B>. Rumours had suggested that Lotus's parent company Proton was considering switching production of the new car to Malaysia to cut costs.<p>The newly-appointed Group Lotus Chief Executive Mike Kimberley said, 'We're very pleased that Hethel has been confirmed by the Board of Directors as the manufacturing location for this vital new car. However the decision to choose Hethel has not been taken lightly and was influenced not only by our past achievements but also by firm future commitments to improve the efficiences and flexibilities within our manufacturing facility.<p>'We have a lot of work to do between now and the start of production and this will demand much commitment and hard work from us all.'<p>Little is known about the replacement for the Esprit, but Lotus is said to be <B>evaluating a number of potential engine sources, including BMW V8s</B>.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I really like this Kimberley dude :-)<p><A HREF="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=220031" TARGET="_blank">AutoCar</A><br> <br>

DSC-OFF
05-20-2006, 12:38 PM
<IMG SRC="http://i4.tinypic.com/1040n6c.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://i4.tinypic.com/1040n6c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">CarScoop</A><br> <br>

carbon
06-23-2006, 04:38 PM
the mule<br><A HREF="http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9244c" TARGET="_blank">http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9244c</A><p>

Gian86
07-06-2006, 06:08 AM
One new rendering from Worldcarfans.com:<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060706.001/6060706.001.mini1L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A>

wallabyguy
07-06-2006, 07:50 AM
The worldcarfans rendering is wrong. The hood is right as is the general shape but the inlets are all wrong (chopped from an Elise). Expect "traditional Esprit" rear quater windows.

napoleondyna
07-08-2006, 05:01 PM
I dont think the elise front bumper really fits the car. Should be mor aggressive instead of such a happy looking car.

Porschefan
07-08-2006, 07:05 PM
Oy. Loti have always been happy-looking cars. Only very recently, have models like the 2nd-gen Elise, and the last Esprit, has the brand turned aggressive. Loti have always looked fast, not angry.

wallabyguy
07-09-2006, 11:30 AM
Here's the source pic for the chop...<p><A HREF="http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=420885&postcount=8" TARGET="_blank">http://www.elisetalk.com/forum...unt=8</A>

StevenZoz
07-10-2006, 08:02 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_08_Lotus_Esprit.S178.A10606.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A><p>repeated pics & info. dif source

Porschefan
07-15-2006, 08:58 PM
IMHO, the Esprit's styling should be a clean wedge, as it has been always.

fantomas
09-28-2006, 12:52 PM
Test mule of what will be a sweet ride , from autoexpress.<p> <br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_417/car_photo_208676_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_417/car_photo_208675_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A><br> <p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/202945/lotus_esprit.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DSC-OFF at 9:20 PM 5/16/2007</i>

mick78
09-28-2006, 02:32 PM
Funny that they still use the old body for a mule. a 30 year old center part as the mule for a new sportscar:)<p>Even if the new Esprit will be only half as striking as THE Esprit, i will love it.

Reppu
09-29-2006, 12:16 AM
The Esprit has been my dream car for the last 20 years. I had a Lotus dealer near home in the 80s, they had a Pearl White Esprit...how beautiful was it!!!. I hope the new one is up to the task...not an easy thing if you ask me.

drugmirko
02-07-2007, 03:06 AM
finder somehow doesn't produce any thread about Lotus at all..... and here are spys of what might be Esprits succesor:<p><br>spys:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_417/car_photo_208676_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_417/car_photo_208675_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autogespot.com/log/images/02-2007/lotus/Lotus1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogespot.com/log/...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autogespot.com/log/images/02-2007/lotus/Lotus.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogespot.com/log/...s.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autogespot.com/log/images/02-2007/lotus/Lotus2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogespot.com/log/...2.jpg</A><p><br>and some speculations about it's look:<p><A HREF="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MichielMobiel/Espritinternetcopy.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albu...y.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.lotusespritworld.com/images/NewEsprit/Car_May06/Car_May06_02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lotusespritworld.co...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.lotusespritworld.com/images/NewEsprit/Car_May06/Car_May06_03.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lotusespritworld.co...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_New_2007.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lotusespritturbo.co...7.jpg</A>

carbon
02-07-2007, 03:20 AM
a link to the right page <A HREF="http://www.autogespot.com/index.php?id=58" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogespot.com/index.php?id=58</A><p>it should be with bmw engine.but now that lotus is going to be part of vw/porsche.who knows what will happen to this car

CY
02-07-2007, 07:26 PM
Some of those pics look SICK (in a good way)...lol

cyberpunk3
02-07-2007, 07:34 PM
I think the test mule looks kick ass, with the camo and everything. The render pics all look terrible though...

against the wall
02-23-2007, 10:41 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autovisie.nl/nieuws/nieuwsoverzicht/archief/2007/02/exclusief_nieuwe_lotus_es/index.xml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autovisie.nl/nieuws...x.xml</A><p>after years of speculation, an on-road camo version finally surfaces.

jwc3
03-21-2007, 09:03 PM
I haven't seen this posted in this thread yet...<p>From Car and Driver:<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2006/Q3/083120061422069802.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/11538/2009-lotus-esprit.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caranddriver.com/ca....html</A><p>2009 Lotus Esprit<p>New Esprit Is Just Two Years Away. Lotus to add several new models over the next four years.<br>BY RAY HUTTON, October 2006<p>Lotus has a checkered history  quite apart from its seven Formula 1 World Championships. The road-car and engineering businesses have gone through periodic crises, and since Colin Chapman, the founder and inspiration of Lotus, died in 1982, the company has had three different owners: General Motors, Romano Artiolis Bugatti, and Malaysian automaker Proton today.<p>Now Lotus appears to be settling down in the experienced hands of Michael Kimberly. Kimberly, who joined Lotus in 1969 and was CEO from 1983 to 1991, returns as CEO after the departure of Kim Ogaard-Nielsen and promises to secure the future of Lotus through a comprehensive five-year plan that calls for new models including a replacement for the Esprit.<p>We will have to wait until the end of 2008 to experience the new Esprit, but we are told it will be entirely new and the first Lotus to employ the versatile vehicle architecture aluminum construction technique that will allow other models to spawn from the Esprits bones. Internally, the new Esprit is known simply as MSC, for mid-engined supercar. Kimberly calls it the jewel in the crown and believes the new Esprit is crucial to Lotuss future and reputation. Priced to compete with a Porsche 911 Turbo or the upcoming Audi R8, the next Esprit will be at least $130,000. Kimberly promises a stunning, exhilarating car with high performance and vehicle dynamics superior to any other.<p>Power for the Esprit is expected to come from an outside source, as Lotus has deemed a new powerplant too expensive and the turbocharged V-8 from the previous Esprit outdated. These days Lotus develops engines for others, but it has no wish to make one from scratch for a low-volume supercar. It simply isnt viable, says Kimberly, who will not confirm rumors that a version of BMWs 4.8-liter V-8 with perhaps at least 400 horsepower will motivate the mid-engined supercar. What Kimberly does reveal is that the next Esprit will be sold as a coupe and convertible.<p>Beyond 2008, there is the prospect of a two-plus-two Lotus coupe, a modern interpretation of the never-sold-in-America Excel. Kimberly also wants to get back into the business of producing Lotus-badged niche vehicles for volume automakers, reviving the idea of the Ford Lotus Cortina, Talbot Lotus Sunbeam, and Opel Lotus Omega that helped keep Lotus in business when its own sports cars struggled to find customers. He claims to be close to finalizing a deal to make a special performance derivative of an existing car but wont say who the client is until the contract is signed. If it goes ahead, the Lotus-tuned vehicle will debut in 2008.

jwc3
03-21-2007, 09:11 PM
Here's another view from Automobile Magazine:<p><A HREF="http://www.automobilemag.com/future_cars/2008/0609_2009_lotus_esprit/photo_01.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automobilemag.com/f....html</A><p> <IMG SRC="http://www.automobilemag.com/future_cars/2008/0609_x+2009_lotus_esprit+rear.jpg" BORDER="0">

jwc3
03-21-2007, 09:14 PM
Here's another article using the same white Lotus Esprit photos that was in the Car and Driver article above:<p><A HREF="http://www.egmcartech.com/2006/10/09/2009-lotus-esprit-lotus-to-add-several-new-models" TARGET="_blank">http://www.egmcartech.com/2006...odels</A>/

jwc3
04-04-2007, 08:27 PM
Has anyone noticed that the escort vehicle in the photo below is a BMW X5? That might add credibility to the rumor that the new Esprit will be powered by a BMW engine. Perhaps that X5 is carrying a few BMW engineers, who are monitoring engine parameters...<p> <A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_417/car_photo_208675_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DSC-OFF at 9:21 PM 5/16/2007</i>

hilton
04-05-2007, 12:13 AM
it an all new cr right??? is so whats with tthe original esprits side profile

mick78
04-05-2007, 03:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quattro</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it an all new cr right??? is so whats with tthe original esprits side profile</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's a mule, mate.

jwc3
05-14-2007, 12:11 PM
Here's another photo from LotusEspritTurbo.com:<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Concept_2009.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>I love it...

jwc3
05-14-2007, 12:20 PM
Here's the text from LotusEspritTurbo.com that goes with the photo above.<p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/New_Lotus_Esprit.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lotusespritturbo.co...t.htm</A><p>New Lotus Esprit<p>These are the first rendering of the new Lotus Esprit, due by December 2009. The preliminary sketches, by Russel Carr at Lotus, are not the final design but an indication of what the car might look like. The new Lotus Esprit is to cost around 75,000 and Lotus has confirmed the car will be made in England, at the Hethel factory. The car will use a similar Aluminium bonded chassis technology to the Elise, but the car's platform will not be model specific, so it can be used for various Lotus models, this they have call VVA (Variable Vehicle Architecture). Lotus Chief Executive Michael Kimberley, has confirmed that the car will feature a V8 engine Although Lotus haven't offically confirmed the name of the car yet, Micheal Kimberley has hinted that the car will be called the Esprit.<p>The car was origionally due for sale in 2007, however, when Mike Kimberley to over Lotus as Chief Executive in 2006, he halted production of the Esprit, ordering new styling and engineering changes. He said "In my view, it wasn't a proper Lotus." Lotus has been reluctant to say to much about the car, however Autocar Magazine made the following prediction; the construction method will be so different and the level of design sophistication so much greater than the older Esprit, that the two would have little in common, also the V8 engine will most like come from BMW. From these sketches, you can clearly see Lotus is keeping the design of the new Lotus Esprit quite seperate from the Elise, and following the wedge shaped designs of the Esprit. Lets hope it looks as sensational as the original Esprit.<p>A glimpse at the new Esprit structure<p>In November 2006, Lotus released a Newsletter showing the new Lotus Esprit Chassis. In the Newsletter Lotus explained some of the technical background to the design of the chassis. Extracts from the article are show bellow:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/New_Lotus_Esprit_Chassis.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>In 2004, Lotus Cars wished to embark on a replacement for the Esprit. Much of the learning, know-how and solution from VVA (Variable Vehicle Architecture) was well suited to this new challenge. However, a fundamental shift was that the volume requirements were greatly reduced. Certain technologies such as the high investment HPDCs of VVA were not viable for the lower-volume requirements. The result was an evolution of the VVA approach to develop a new sports car focused structure that should be morphable to cater for future Lotus and client requirements at volumes of up to 5,000 per year and the first variant would be the Esprit replacement.<p>Immediate attention was given to the critical footwell area, and a design which showed a great improvement over Elise was conceived, where the siderail was slimmed down beside the feet but then it was supplemented beside the occupant to increase the member size in the area critical for vehicle stiffness. This supplementation also offered a load path for the wheel and tyre during frontal impact. The final embodiment of the design is shown. At the front, there is a separate subframe. This is to enable its replacement in the event of accident damage when suffering a frontal impact or when the suspension mounting points become damaged. Also shown detached is the front bumper beam which can be replaced if required after a minor frontal impact. The front wheel house panels are integral with the subframe, and provide support to the side mounted radiators, bonnet hinges and headlights.<p>The centre section houses occupants up to 98th percentile, which is about 6ft 5ins tall, extremely impressive for a supercar. The turquoise curved surface at the front provides stiff support to the bottom edge of the windscreen, and a mounting for the windscreen wipers. Front to rear pipework runs down the central tunnel, and an access hole in the rear-bulkhead facilitates service at the front of the rear mounted engine. The A and B pillars, at the front and rear of the door apertures provide stiff mounting points for the door hinges and latches. The rear luggage compartment is integral, adding to the global vehicle torsional stiffness.<p>At the rear, the separate steel rear subframe with detachable bumper facilitates crash repair as at the front. During vehicle assembly, the engine transaxle and rear suspension and exhaust system are all assembled to the rear subframe before this completed module is offered up to the aluminium centre section. When assembled, these elements constitute the structure of an open top variant, should it be required, with a torsional stiffness of around 14,000 Nm/degree, which is aimed to provide a similar structural feel to the smaller, lighter Elise. With the addition of the upper body of a conventional metal roofed version, then this stiffness more than doubles to 31,000 Nm/degree.<p>The innovative, intelligent design of the new structure will lead to a truly exciting Esprit replacement. But the real beauty is the low-volume VVA capability of this structure to be adapted to accommodate the requirements of alternative sports car layouts, as demonstrated in Figure 7. Exactly how Lotus or its clients exploit this, we will see over the next few years, but the potential for some truly exciting vehicles is here.

Vltava
05-14-2007, 05:40 PM
As a new Lotus is rarer than a new Ferrari, I cannot wait for this. Plus, I always loved Esprits.

jwc3
05-15-2007, 10:23 AM
I'll be watching this new Lotus Esprit closely. My wife has always had a soft spot for the Esprit ever since "The Spy Who Loved Me." We just might have one of these in our garage some day...

jwc3
05-15-2007, 10:38 AM
Here's a chop from Lehmann, which appears to be the illegitimate child of a Porsche and a Lamborginni. I hope the real thing looks better than this!<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/2310.jpg" BORDER="0">

jwc3
05-15-2007, 10:46 AM
Source: <A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/countriesmarkets/euro/spied-2010-lotus-esprit" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/co...sprit</A>/<p>More spy photos of the new Lotus:<p><A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/esprit-mule-04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/wp...4.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/esprit-mule-02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/wp...2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/esprit-mule-01.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/wp...1.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DSC-OFF at 9:19 PM 5/16/2007</i>

arumage
05-15-2007, 10:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jwc3</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's a chop from Lehmann, which appears to be the illegitimate child of a Porsche and a Lamborginni. I hope the real thing looks better than this!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I like it, but I don't think it looks like a Lotus. It's too smooth. It needs those characteristic bulges like the Elise and Exige.

iamalittlepepper
05-15-2007, 11:03 AM
I wonder why they didn't pick Toyota as V8 supplier considering they already have a relationship with them already.<p>Does anyone know who the transmission supplier is? Graziano again?

TopGear
05-15-2007, 12:49 PM
because the toyota V8 is not peformance oriented, where as the M engine is. On the topic of lotus engines, i saw a video with an exiege which had a honda K20 in it. can anyone give me info if lotus now offers this.

mzoltarp
05-15-2007, 12:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TopGear</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because the toyota V8 is not peformance oriented, where as the M engine is. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Someone had better alert Lexus then if this is true.

TopGear
05-15-2007, 01:36 PM
actually, now that i have compared specs, i apologize the M engine and lexus engine have very similar specs. the M5s engine has 14 more HP and 1 more ft/lb of torque.

DoMiNo
05-15-2007, 01:49 PM
From what I can see in the chop and the spyshots, it's bland and dated. If the Europa is any indication, Lotus will have a hard time building a car that will legitimately compete with Porsches, Aston Martins, etc. The new Esprit is embarassingly overdue and I have a feeling that--despite great handling--it won't have the power or the refinement of its competitors.

iamalittlepepper
05-15-2007, 02:51 PM
I thought the S62 has been discontinued and surly BMW won't give them the V8 from the M3?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TopGear</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because the toyota V8 is not peformance oriented, where as the M engine is. On the topic of lotus engines, i saw a video with an exiege which had a honda K20 in it. can anyone give me info if lotus now offers this. </TD></TR></TABLE>

AM2
05-15-2007, 03:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TopGear</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because the toyota V8 is not peformance oriented, where as the M engine is. On the topic of lotus engines, i saw a video with an exiege which had a honda K20 in it. can anyone give me info if lotus now offers this. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The article said that the BMW engine would displace 4.4 liter to 4.8 liters...<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sources peg the engine as a BMW-sourced V-8 displacing in the range of 4.4-to-4.8 liters.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Could these be BMW's regular non-M V8's...<p>BMW's V8's (stock)<br>N62B44 4.4 liter V8 (329hp/333PS @ 6100rpm)<br>N62B48 4.8 liter V8 (362hp/367PS @ 6300rpm)<p>Lexus LS460's V8:<br>1UR-FSE 4.6 liter V8 (380hp @ 6400rpm)<p>There's also Lexus's 2UR-GSE 5.0 liter V8 which produces over 400hp in the IS-F concept.

Ark
05-16-2007, 12:01 AM
I honestly think that Lotus should go with the 2UR over the BMW engines. <p>....On the flipside, A 2UR swap into a Supra will make a sick project car. Hmm...

effew
05-16-2007, 03:06 AM
Source: <A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/countriesmarkets/euro/spied-2010-lotus-esprit" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/co...sprit</A>/<p>More spy photos of the new Lotus:<p><A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/esprit-mule-04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/wp...4.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/esprit-mule-02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/wp...2.jpg</A><p>http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/esprit-mule-01.jpg<p>Wow, Lotus made a nice Lamborghini, and even did a good job of putting Ferrari taillights on it.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DSC-OFF at 9:18 PM 5/16/2007</i>

jwc3
05-16-2007, 05:33 PM
I haven't seen this one posted here yet. Many of these sketches look similar...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/information/press/magazine/magazine2004/autocar020304/espritconcept.jpg" BORDER="0">

jwc3
05-16-2007, 05:35 PM
Another sketch:<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Lotus/Esprit/Spy/D473DC90245311DBA7780C4557D48722.jpg" BORDER="0">

Ark
05-16-2007, 05:39 PM
Ironically all have a similiar roofline as a Lambo. Come to think of it, all these renderings look more Lambo than Lotus.

DoMiNo
05-16-2007, 06:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ark</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ironically all have a similiar roofline as a Lambo. Come to think of it, all these renderings look more Lambo than Lotus.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lambos sapped of passion and beauty, maybe.

Comrade
05-16-2007, 07:00 PM
I never liked the Esprit. The front half was very sleek and sharp, yet the rear half consisted of upright angles everywhere and a rear that could belong to any other compact from the 80's. Just terribly boring. This chop has that same shape and it just doesn't work; looks too ordinary and boring.

Vltava
05-16-2007, 07:53 PM
So, if it looked like just any other car from the '80s and it debuted in the '70s you must be trying to say it was way ahead of its time?

Vltava
05-16-2007, 07:57 PM
Add engine: Lotus is very much concerned with lightness. I wonder what the relative weights of the two engines discussed above. BMW does a magnesium block six, I wonder if their next eight will be of the same material.

iamalittlepepper
05-16-2007, 08:04 PM
I think the engine specs for the Lotus is probably frozen already.. if they are waiting for the next BMW V8, it won't come out in 2010.. remember for things like crash worthiness for certification you must have the same engine throughout.<p>Right now even their newest M3 engine is still Alusil.<p>I think with those 2 engines Lotus will never be able to compete with the likes of say Ferrari, because those are torque monsters more than rev happy engines due to the crank configuration.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vltava</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Add engine: Lotus is very much concerned with lightness. I wonder what the relative weights of the two engines discussed above. BMW does a magnesium block six, I wonder if their next eight will be of the same material.</TD></TR></TABLE><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by iamalittlepepper at 8:17 PM 5/16/2007</i>

iamalittlepepper
05-16-2007, 08:18 PM
I think all Mid Engine cars shares the profile to an extent due to the low centre of gravity and the location of their drivetrain.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ark</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ironically all have a similiar roofline as a Lambo. Come to think of it, all these renderings look more Lambo than Lotus.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Vltava
05-17-2007, 10:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iamalittlepepper</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the engine specs for the Lotus is probably frozen already.. if they are waiting for the next BMW V8, it won't come out in 2010.. remember for things like crash worthiness for certification you must have the same engine throughout.<p>Right now even their newest M3 engine is still Alusil.<p>I think with those 2 engines Lotus will never be able to compete with the likes of say Ferrari, because those are torque monsters more than rev happy engines due to the crank configuration.<p><i>Modified by iamalittlepepper at 8:17 PM 5/16/2007</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's a valid point about lead times. You never know what deals have been made between which automakers to use which engines. BMW did a specific engine for the McLaren F1, as I recall. Again, just wildly speculating.<p>It's funny though how people said the same thing about Lotus not being any match for Ferrari back in the '80s. Then of course they ran a lithe Esprit Turbo against a fat Testarossa.

iamalittlepepper
05-18-2007, 11:14 AM
I am not sure if it is fair to compare a boxer 12 to a v8. However if we compare modern V8 say Ferrari/Maser/Alfa's V8 their crank is shaped for high revs vs BMW/Toyotas V8 are designed for NVH, different objectives hence different engineering approaches.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vltava</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That's a valid point about lead times. You never know what deals have been made between which automakers to use which engines. BMW did a specific engine for the McLaren F1, as I recall. Again, just wildly speculating.<p>It's funny though how people said the same thing about Lotus not being any match for Ferrari back in the '80s. Then of course they ran a lithe Esprit Turbo against a fat Testarossa.</TD></TR></TABLE>

zendog
05-18-2007, 01:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ark</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ironically all have a similiar roofline as a Lambo. Come to think of it, all these renderings look more Lambo than Lotus.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Car sillouettes are going to get increasingly homogenous over the next few years. Depending on drivetrain location and drive wheels, I think all carmakers have pretty much figured out packaging, aerodynamics and balance. The box that designers work in is pretty limited now from what I can see. Kind of like commercial airplanes. That's why the Ferrari 599 is shaped similarly to the Corvette (look at the side intakes). And why Jag's XK looks like an Aston DB (2+2 packaging). And why Infiniti G37's and BMW 3-coupes look so similar in profile.<p>The aero requirements seem to be reasonably well documented now too. There's not a ton of room to differentiate mid/rear's design (or mid/AWD's) beyond detailing like headlight shape, shut lines, and some other things.

jwc3
05-22-2007, 09:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Car sillouettes are going to get increasingly homogenous over the next few years.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I find this hard to believe. The whole goal of design is to embody the unique attributes of a specific brand, making the product more desirable that the competition. The purpose of product design is the elimination of homogeneity. I have no doubt that today's car designers will continue to make vehicles that are attractive and unique, regardless of the constraints placed upon them.

jwc3
06-09-2007, 06:25 PM
The new Lotus is mentioned about half way through this video:<p><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq0xbZfRI4Q" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq0xbZfRI4Q</A>

autonutt
06-09-2007, 11:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jwc3</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I find this hard to believe. The whole goal of design is to embody the unique attributes of a specific brand, making the product more desirable that the competition. The purpose of product design is the elimination of homogeneity. I have no doubt that today's car designers will continue to make vehicles that are attractive and unique, regardless of the constraints placed upon them.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>jwc3, as a former transportation design student I hope you are right.. zendog brought up several good points about the packaging, aerodynamics and balance requirements of today's cars.. then add in the pedestrian safety laws and other litigation that affects the uniqueness of each vehicle and you have very little room to differentiate.

knicks125
07-20-2007, 01:40 PM
<A HREF="http://www.autogespot.com/log/images/02-2007/lotus/Lotus.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogespot.com/log/...s.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autogespot.com/log/images/02-2007/lotus/Lotus1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogespot.com/log/...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autogespot.com/log/images/02-2007/lotus/Lotus2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogespot.com/log/...2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autogespot.com/index.php?id=396" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogespot.com/index.php?id=396</A>

the1
07-20-2007, 02:47 PM
<A HREF="http://www.lotusespritworld.com/images/NewEsprit/SpyPics/Camo_Esprit_04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lotusespritworld.co...4.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.lotusespritworld.com/images/NewEsprit/SpyPics/Camo_Esprit_05.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lotusespritworld.co...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.lotusespritworld.com/images/NewEsprit/SpyPics/Camo_Esprit_06.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lotusespritworld.co...6.jpg</A>

wallabyguy
07-21-2007, 04:49 AM
Those are pics of the new McLaren F2 not the new Esprit.

TitanSteel
07-21-2007, 05:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wallabyguy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those are pics of the new McLaren F2 not the new Esprit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As far as I know and what has been confirmed in previous pics, that is the Esprit. I don't think McLaren is any where near that finished in the development of the P2.

against the wall
07-21-2007, 08:51 AM
yeah the F2 doesnt even officially exist either...

63Bonneville
07-21-2007, 10:11 AM
I saw that elsewhere, I seriously believe that is an Esprit mule; the proportions are even correct. Another nice ride to anticipate!<br>Looks to be a serious competitor with the upcoming V8 "base" edition of the Lamborghini Gallardo. I've heard conflicting reports of a BMW sourced V8 and a Lexus sourced V8 to power the Esprit.

DoMiNo
07-21-2007, 11:16 AM
I seriously hope that camo is hiding some character. Because I'm sure the Esprit will be light, and in terms of power it may well rival a V8 Gallardo, but sticking this 90s throwback next to a Lamborghini would be like comparing my third grade teacher with Giselle Bundchen. Even the most optimistic Esprit renders have been boring.

Vltava
07-21-2007, 02:33 PM
My third grade teacher was a rather large-ish older woman. Nice lady, though.<p>I understand that Mike Kimberley had sent his designers back to the CAD screens for a car with more Lotus character. I was under the impression that this car was their first attempt. I see a lot of Ferrari 348/355 in it. I'd say that this is a mule and the finished product will look like (or close to like) the initial drawings we saw. Be prepared for a somewhat angular car as something of a homage to the '70s original. I imagine the completely flat windscreen won't be reprised, though.

jwc3
09-05-2007, 03:37 PM
No activity on this thread in over a month... Doesn't anyone have an update on the new Esprit?

padam
09-30-2007, 01:07 AM
<A HREF="http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_new_car.php?sid=1094&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/s...age=1</A>

Vltava
10-02-2007, 07:29 PM
I love in the comments section where the guy says his mate at Ferrari can confirm that this is not the new McLaren. Comedy gold.