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Ascariss
11-01-2004, 11:10 AM
Old CSS thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1075865773" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....65773</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.automotorundsport.de/sixcms/media.php/76/lag1_450.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>alesspoa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.ll0ll.com/div2/lag3_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.ll0ll.com/div2/lag3_2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source: AutoWeek (NL)<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br><IMG SRC="http://www.automotorundsport.de/sixcms/media.php/76/lag2_450.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>SOURCE: <A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.de</A><p>expected in 2007 as sedan and wagon. It will share its platform with the next gen Primera. The new Laguna will be longer and wider.<p>Article:<br><A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/52204" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/52204</A>

Ascariss
12-16-2004, 10:49 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1075865773" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....65773</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ll0ll</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><IMG SRC="http://img85.exs.cx/img85/8886/laguna3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img85.exs.cx/img85/6624/laguna3-2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: <A HREF="http://planeterenault.com/forum/index.php" TARGET="_blank">www.planeterenault.com/forum</A><p><br>here ya go... I've done some, not too acurate, quick meldings of uper pics, devided by page breake<p><IMG SRC="http://img13.exs.cx/img13/3835/n7vlaguna3a.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img13.exs.cx/img13/3232/m9zlaguna3b.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img13.exs.cx/img13/9816/c7olaguna3c.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok continue discussion here.<br><br>

sono81
12-25-2004, 11:02 PM
I like the new alfa romeo like tailights

taskbearer
12-29-2004, 01:42 AM
Here comes a french styling fiasco, first the radical concept car looking peugeot 407(especially the extra sporty looking glass roofed SW), and now renault gets a go at the radical stuff. The chop looks pathetic, but from the impressions of the fleunce concept, the next laguna is going to be a looker.

PlatForm
12-29-2004, 01:55 AM
yeah.. the tail light really looked like a Alfa Romeo but the overall design trully a French design. I like the front light and grill combination but the front bumper too simple.

PlatForm
01-06-2005, 08:33 AM
wow!!.. nice design especially the grill and front headlight.the but side view look to normal compare to rear and front design.the front bumper too simple and not well blended with the front grill and headlight.

Clayton-Thomas
01-06-2005, 09:01 AM
Maybe this will be the new Sentra too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
01-06-2005, 09:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Clayton-Thomas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe this will be the new Sentra too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Too big to be the sentra.

bolita
01-06-2005, 10:47 AM
Perhapa the Almera then?

AXIS
01-06-2005, 10:47 AM
whoa it's scary how much this looks like a Nissan I see alot of similarities to the Primera and Tilda in this one

PlatForm
01-07-2005, 05:27 AM
why nissan??.. i dont think it could be a nissan because this is french design and it will always be a french car.

Santeno
01-07-2005, 11:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PlatForm</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why nissan??.. i dont think it could be a nissan because this is french design and it will always be a french car.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>And what is this bit of lunch meat supposed to mean exactly? If I recall correctly the Megane has been rebadged as a Nissan (with some modifications). And hasn't one Nissan has been rebadged as a Renault?<p>If I recal correctly, Samsung is going to start using Renault products instead of Nissans in the coming future as well. It's an international company with international design.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 3:14 PM 1/7/2005</i>

Bern
01-07-2005, 03:04 PM
You must be talking about the Nissan Tiida, it looks a bit like the Megane, but has nothing to do with it. Okay same plateform but that's normal. But it's not a all a rebadged Megane...

spwolf
01-07-2005, 03:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bern</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You must be talking about the Nissan Tiida, it looks a bit like the Megane, but has nothing to do with it. Okay same plateform but that's normal. But it's not a all a rebadged Megane...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats the one he thought about - one that shares platform with Megane, is same type of car as megane and looks exactly as megane...and of course has nothing to do at all with megane :-)

-Peter-
01-07-2005, 03:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If I recall correctly the Megane has been rebadged as a Nissan (with some modifications). And hasn't one Nissan has been rebadged as a Renault?<br><i>Modified by Santeno at 3:14 PM 1/7/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have never heard anything about Megane that has been rebadged as a Nissan. <p>and only rebadged Renault is mexican Nissan Platina that is actually Renault Symbol (Clio sedan)

drugmirko
01-07-2005, 04:12 PM
<br>hmmm... I also haven't heard nothing about that kind of rebadging. especialy from Nissan to Renault. except rebadging Renault Kangoo into Nissan duno what... <p>well, at least not yet...

CalinG7
01-07-2005, 04:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>thats the one he thought about - one that shares platform with Megane, is same type of car as megane and looks exactly as megane...and of course has nothing to do at all with megane :-)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup, the Tiida looked very much like a slightly worked-over Megane. And considering that the two companies will shortly start to unveil some of their first vehicles based on commonly-developed and shared platforms, I don't understand why Renault and Nissan are starting to use some of the same design themes, especially that solid center with twin side ports (it looks like a moustache). Makes it a little obvious that the cars are similar.

-Peter-
01-08-2005, 01:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>hmmm... I also haven't heard nothing about that kind of rebadging. especialy from Nissan to Renault. except rebadging Renault Kangoo into Nissan duno what... <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>yeah... sorry, didnt remember that, but that just a van, and all the Vans of renault-nissan are also sold by Opel<p>Renault Kangoo/ Nissan Kubistar<br>Renault Traffic/ Nissan Primastar/ Opel Vivaro<br>Renault Master/ Nissan Interstar/ Opel Movano<p>thats the same thing as the Van and MPV- co-operation of the PSA and Fiat

whipster
01-08-2005, 04:58 AM
Cooperation thing is good cuz cars are getting cheaper, but why the hell design comes so similar? This styling, yeah, would be nice on Nissan but Renault looks too ordinary and shy with it. As Renault made us get used to vanguard design cues, it should go on with this. <br>I only hope, that this Laguna is only a vision sketch, and new version will look more courage.

Top Secret
01-08-2005, 05:33 AM
Hopefully this Laguna looks similar to the Megane, I love the Megane's funky styling!

Rugbyplaya91
01-08-2005, 02:32 PM
i lke it all exepect for the wagon... blah

ll0ll
01-09-2005, 04:11 AM
Other impressions<p><IMG SRC="http://img85.exs.cx/img85/8886/laguna3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img85.exs.cx/img85/6624/laguna3-2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I love this impression, it looks sexy and powerfull.<p>Its based on these photos:<br><A HREF="http://www.autotitre.com/forum/up/90d9ed79ac.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotitre.com/forum/up/90d9ed79ac.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autotitre.com/forum/up/365f7facaa.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotitre.com/forum/up/365f7facaa.jpg</A><p>

Top Secret
01-09-2005, 04:14 AM
That's just an M45 chop, which isn't a bad thing in itself, and it looks good, but I want the Laguna to be more of a head-turner than that!

PlatForm
01-12-2005, 01:52 PM
Sorry Santeno.. i guess what u told me is true,the side view of this model is similiar to Nissan Altima. is this model joint-developed with Nissan??

hakkinen
01-16-2005, 04:19 PM
I have to say that, as a huge Renault fan, i am a bit concerned about their recent direction. I'm almost disappointed of the new Clio (although i wait for the official photos) and now this new Laguna. I hope that these are just some inaccurate renderings.<br>Many didn't like Megane II but let's not forget that Renault is the best selling company in Europe, above VW, for a long time so it seems that all that inovation helped. I except them to expand on that success.<p>@ndreas

Rugbyplaya91
01-16-2005, 08:59 PM
wow i didn't know i was driving this car in the getaway 2, cool

hollc004
01-17-2005, 10:14 AM
I think its fantastic. I like the wedged front wind screen and the sporty propfile the high belt line bring to the look of the car. Nice and smooth and very clean just like the other renults in the gang

Santeno
04-06-2005, 09:46 AM
Here's a promising article from Autocar:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>Next Laguna 'will be beautiful saloon'</u><p>Renault design director Patrick le Quement has promised that the new Laguna will move car design forward for the French maker. The shape and specification for Renaults next family saloon  still an important fleet car in Britain, selling around 25,000 units annually and recently facelifted  has been decided for some time, and the model is due for launch in 2007.<p>Its better to take a big step and then consolidate for a while than to present a blizzard of innovative designs one after another, said le Quement, otherwise you risk leaving people behind. The Laguna will not be controversial, exactly, but it will be very beautiful. It is time we made a really beautiful Renault saloon.<p>According to le Quement, the new Laguna will be the first production car in a new Renault design phase which began with the Fluence concept coupe, shown at last summers Louis Vuitton concours delegance. There will be a very strong relationship between Fluence and Laguna, he says.<p>Le Quement is surprisingly complimentary about the Peugeot 407, a Laguna rival, with its bold features and radical windscreen rake. I understand their objectives, he said, and theyve done a good job. The long front overhang doesnt please everyone, but the idea of producing a striking design in a class which had problems attracting buyers is good strategy. But in the new Laguna we think we have the car that will put them back in their box.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here are a couple pf pics of the fluence the article refers to:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Renault/Laguna/6455123151.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Renault/Laguna/64551232111.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

r3vilo
04-10-2005, 09:56 AM
that concept looks like a 407....if you squint

JBlair
04-10-2005, 10:12 AM
If the Laguna looks anything like the Fluence, I think I may have to move to Europe because its going to be gorgeous.

ll0ll
06-26-2005, 01:20 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/Dan_Black.laguna_001.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/Dan_Black.laguna_003.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/Dan_Black.laguna_005.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/tonnyeyk-lag3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br><IMG SRC="http://server3.uploadit.org/files/adobit-159.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/adobit-Digitalizar0017.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source: planeterenault.com

exclusive
06-26-2005, 01:22 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/Chriss51.Laguna_III_(fluence).JPG" BORDER="0"><p><br>

Rossell
06-26-2005, 04:02 AM
We need a Huckfieldt rendering on this one :)

r0b
06-26-2005, 05:22 AM
A bit of Porsche in the back :)

hakkinen
06-27-2005, 02:36 PM
Those renderings are excellent. I really love the way Fluence became a 4-door sedan.<p>@ndreas

salebg
10-25-2005, 12:38 PM
<A HREF="http://img82.exs.cx/img82/6624/laguna3-2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img82.exs.cx/img82/6624/laguna3-2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img82.exs.cx/img82/8886/laguna3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img82.exs.cx/img82/8886/laguna3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/laguna_estateIII.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.planeterenault.com/...I.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img22.exs.cx/img22/929/laguna2007a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img22.exs.cx/img22/929/laguna2007a.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img22.exs.cx/img22/3396/laguna2007b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img22.exs.cx/img22/3396/laguna2007b.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img13.exs.cx/img13/3835/n7vlaguna3a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img13.exs.cx/img13/3835/n7vlaguna3a.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img13.exs.cx/img13/3232/m9zlaguna3b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img13.exs.cx/img13/3232/m9zlaguna3b.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img13.exs.cx/img13/9816/c7olaguna3c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img13.exs.cx/img13/9816/c7olaguna3c.jpg</A><br>

CosworthKid
10-25-2005, 06:06 PM

Reppu
10-25-2005, 11:01 PM
Didn't we have a thread on this already? I remember to have seen these pics before.

ll0ll
10-25-2005, 11:38 PM
Yes, there was one. Cant find it.

Ascariss
10-25-2005, 11:57 PM
<A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=11371&page=2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=2</A>

salebg
11-25-2005, 10:15 AM
<A HREF="http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7254/x91coupe8gn.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img296.imageshack.us/im...n.jpg</A>

metallic
12-09-2005, 01:06 PM
Another one:<br><A HREF="http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/15155numriser6nc-med.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mobisux.com/album/d...d.jpg</A><p>I just LOVE it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> Hope they will make something like it!!

ll0ll
12-10-2005, 04:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>salebg</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7254/x91coupe8gn.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img296.imageshack.us/im...n.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's an impression for the next renault alpine. Not the laguna 3.<br><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=17693" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=17693</A>

ll0ll
12-11-2005, 04:16 AM
<A HREF="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/The_race.App0003.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.planeterenault.com/...3.JPG</A>

David911
06-27-2006, 01:56 AM
More info and new photoshop. Looking very French indeed. <p>Picture:<br><A HREF="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6271/2276/1600/laguna2007.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://photos1.blogger.com/blo...7.jpg</A><p>Comments:<br><A HREF="http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2006/06/2007-renault-laguna-iii.html" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-future.blogspot.co....html</A><p>PS: initial thread is arquived, could not post there

jts
06-27-2006, 02:09 AM
i dont no why french car makers bother with big cars they never sell

metallic
06-27-2006, 02:25 AM
excuse me? Laguna was in top 3 in europe.

the1
06-27-2006, 04:00 AM
In its class, maybe... though I doubt it. Lagunas didn't sell very well lately.

CosworthKid
06-27-2006, 04:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jts</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont no why french car makers bother with big cars they never sell</TD></TR></TABLE><p>First of all the Laguna is not a big car. Secondly it DOES sell heaps in France and some other coutries, in far greater quantities than the Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons in Aus cause the market is greater in Europe. So i think its time these "why bother making large French cars" comments come to an end.

metallic
06-27-2006, 04:33 AM
Well, yeah. in '01 and '02 they sold almost 550.000 lagunas.<br>Yeah, salles are dropping lately because it's getting old. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
06-27-2006, 04:37 AM
One of the main advantages of the current Laguna was its price. I hope the premium orientation of the third generation won't determine the French to significantly increase the price.

metallic
06-27-2006, 01:00 PM
butt<br><A HREF="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/megane_coupe59.ScreenHunter_036.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.planeterenault.com/...6.jpg</A><p>it looks really good to me! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
06-27-2006, 01:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>metallic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">butt<br><A HREF="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/megane_coupe59.ScreenHunter_036.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.planeterenault.com/...6.jpg</A><p>it looks really good to me! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Reagarding your post, please read the following thread:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=20116" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=20116</A>

GoLeafsGO
06-27-2006, 01:24 PM
CAR magazine says that big French cars don't sell outside France - the 607, the Citroen C6. I have no idea as I live in the States. I will say they are both very good <i>looking</i> cars, but that says little.<p>The Laguna I have heard is a really great car, competes well in that exec class, sort of with the Honda Accord, Passat, cheaper 3-series models, and so on. Ghosn once mentioned he wants to return to the US. With Renault having fantasies of moving upmarket (Why!!) the Laguna will come to the States for $45,000 USD

the1
06-27-2006, 02:02 PM
The current Laguna is a decent car. Nothing more. It's big, spacious, it has some great diesel engines and it's cheaper than its rivals. But it's hardly an inspiring car to drive, it's really dull. I'd say this was its weakest point. The interior was quite cheap, too. They need to pump more sportiness in the new car. If it will have a cool design, a well built interior and it won't be more expensive than the current generation, the French could have a winner in the exec class.

metallic
06-27-2006, 02:16 PM
What i ment was that i really love the design of this shop, cos it looks soo sporty and elegant the same time. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> I mean, current one is kinda nice, but average car and this really looks upscale. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>@Goleafsgo: 45k$? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> Maybe for top end model in europe, but as far as i know, in states, cars are about half cheaper than in europe.<br>Well, i think that it should cost something around acura TSX lets say, not 545... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

jts
06-27-2006, 03:04 PM
if they only sell in france then they shouldent bring them to other countries<p>i have never seen one one the road in OZ

the1
06-27-2006, 03:16 PM
They are sold across Europe, not just in France. <br>Yes, the chops suggest that the new Laguna will be a sportier, cooler car than the current generation. This is exactly what Ghosn said, Laguna 3 will be a more upscale sedan, with a more emotional design, a better interior and a sportier chassis. It shouldn't be more expensive than a Ford Mondeo or VW Passat.

jts
06-27-2006, 03:27 PM
true

GoLeafsGO
06-27-2006, 04:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>metallic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">@Goleafsgo: 45k$? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> Maybe for top end model in europe, but as far as i know, in states, cars are about half cheaper than in europe. Well, i think that it should cost something around acura TSX lets say, not 545... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>It'd have to be imported into the States, which is expensive for a number of reasons, from currency changes to cost of shipping. Ghosn has said the next Laguna should compete with the 3-series and C-Class. In the US, the top models of those cars are well into USD$45.000.<p>I agree it should cost the same as a TSX, which in Europe as the Honda Accord is a rival. For whatever reason though, I do not think that it will come to the us for USD $28.000.

antman
06-27-2006, 06:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jts</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if they only sell in france then they shouldent bring them to other countries<p>i have never seen one one the road in OZ</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Where do you live? While certainly not common you see them around in certain areas of Melbourne, plus my father in law has one. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>They look much better in the flesh than in fotos, and yes the interior quality is disappointing. Although the latest update seems to have fixed that - not that you can get them here yet! Also as a previous Renault driver they are a bit disappointing to drive, but they are comfortable...

metallic
06-28-2006, 12:14 AM
Ghosn said, that it have to be among the first three in quality, not price. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><br>Still, i was looking for BMW in states and for 45k$ you can get 545, which is also imported (i guess).<br>EDIT: hm, i guess prices had gone up sine than, but you can get 330 awd for 38k$.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by metallic at 12:27 AM 6/28/2006</i>

the1
06-28-2006, 12:56 AM
Renault cannot afford to price the new Laguna on the same level with BMWs, or even Hondas/Acuras. The model lacks image, so it should overcome its competition by boasting a small price and offering a lot of goodies, it should be a lot of car for the money to be successful.

metallic
06-28-2006, 01:36 AM
What do you mean by honda? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I don't know for romunia, but in slovenia, laguna cost more than accord. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
06-28-2006, 03:54 AM
In Romania Laguna is one of the cheapest cars in its class. The Euro Accord is actually the American Acura TSX.

metallic
06-28-2006, 04:36 AM
In slovenia is one of the most expensive (not included 3, c a4&co), but you get nice discount when you buy it. That how it goes here. <br>Anyway, no one will bother if it will be 423$ more expensive than passat or mondeo or whatever. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
06-28-2006, 05:54 AM
Why not? It certainly can't match the Passat for image or the Mondeo for sportiness. It should be cheaper than its rivals. But I think it's useless to talk about its price. Let's wait for the new Laguna to be launched first.

metallic
06-28-2006, 07:59 AM
It's less and less peoples around here that are buying "only" image. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Ok, new passat is much more prestigeus than current laguna, but if renault will make nice job with new one, it can be as good as passat. And much nicer in my opinion. (regarding to all shops)<br>Besides, if you are willing to pay 25k$ for 1.6 base, will you bother for extra few bucks? don't think so... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
06-28-2006, 10:04 AM
Probably not. But, still, Renault can't launch a new car and price it similarly to a VW, unless it has more standard equipment and more high tech features.

David911
06-29-2006, 09:18 AM
More Laguna, now rear section.<br>Photo:<br><A HREF="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6271/2276/1600/lagIIa.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://photos1.blogger.com/blo...a.jpg</A><p>Comments:<br><A HREF="http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2006/06/update-renault-laguna-iii.html" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-future.blogspot.co....html</A><p>This looks too good to be true!<br>

the1
06-29-2006, 10:30 AM
Not exactly... It's nice, not incredible. And the pic with the rear section was already posted.

metallic
06-29-2006, 10:56 AM
Which car is incredibly good looking in mid segment in your opinion?

the1
06-29-2006, 11:17 AM
Mazda 6, Honda Accord/Acura TSX, Audi A4 are the best looking cars in the segment, IMHO.

the1
07-05-2006, 11:48 AM
<A HREF="http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6162/imagen66po3tr0fe.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img141.imageshack.us/im...e.jpg</A>

mzoltarp
07-05-2006, 03:25 PM
Is that total body cladding look a new option (joke)? If so, I'd like to suggest it become an option for some of the eyesore cars out there. A Yugo with full spy body cladding would be HOT.

Mr. Fusion
07-08-2006, 01:20 AM
Heres a so called spy pictures:<p><A HREF="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2327/imgp1064copia4vn.jpg" TARGET="_blank">2007 Renault Laguna Spy Picture 1</A><p><A HREF="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5771/imgp1065copia2gk.jpg" TARGET="_blank">2007 Renault Laguna Spy Picture 2</A><p><A HREF="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9075/imgp1066copia6lj.jpg" TARGET="_blank">2007 Renault Laguna Spy Picture 3</A><p>The person who took these pictures says the car had light white camo over the wing mirrors and bumpers<p>Source: Cochespias<p>Caught: Spanish Mountains<p>I was just thinking if Renault wanted to keep this top secret then they would heavily disguise it.

Smart22186
07-08-2006, 05:05 AM
i'd say that was more of a prototype or mule for a new engin, look at the buldge in the bonnet, and also twin exausts. maybe for the laguna 3 or prehaps they are gonna bring out a performance model b4 they tae it off the shelf.

David911
07-14-2006, 09:28 AM
More white French stuff:<p><A HREF="http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2006/07/update-2007-renault-laguna-iii.html" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-future.blogspot.co....html</A><br>

the1
07-16-2006, 01:46 PM
Bigger pic.<p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_407/car_photo_203611_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A>

drugmirko
08-24-2006, 11:05 AM
I'm bit shor on time.... cant click every link right now.... were these posted yet?<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060824.001/6060824.001.mini1L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060824.001/6060824.001.mini2L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060824.001/6060824.001.mini3L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><p>looks like they are choped "slightly" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

mick78
08-24-2006, 11:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm bit shor on time.... cant click every link right now.... were these posted yet?<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060824.001/6060824.001.mini1L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060824.001/6060824.001.mini2L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060824.001/6060824.001.mini3L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><p>looks like they are choped "slightly" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks real - and a huge disapointment - whilst Ford never claimed the Mondeo to look like the Iosis, Renault claimed the Fluence concept (which was really elegant, sporty &different) to hint at the Laguna, and so did many chops - and now that: a cross between the current one and the (not so new anymore) Megane sedan.<p>TO me, that doesn't look any better or more modern than the current one - or is it maybe a bigger Dacia with that bland design?

JBlair
08-24-2006, 11:49 AM
That looks like the facelifted version, not the new one. Maybe I'm wrong though.................

drugmirko
08-24-2006, 12:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mick78</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Looks real - and a huge disapointment - whilst Ford never claimed the Mondeo to look like the Iosis, Renault claimed the Fluence concept (which was really elegant, sporty &different) to hint at the Laguna, and so did many chops - and now that: a cross between the current one and the (not so new anymore) Megane sedan.<p>TO me, that doesn't look any better or more modern than the current one - or is it maybe a bigger Dacia with that bland design?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>eh... hard to say when Lehman choped "spy shots" are in question... his Twingo 2 chop is, if we can belive guys that work in Renaults factory in Novo Mesto, completly wrong...<p>and I quickbrowsed a fiew of more frequent car forums and pages and that's what I found..... right next to the other three pictures:<p><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/21_44ed991167928.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...8.jpg</A><p>this might be the starting point for the first of those three pictures I've posted. everything else could just be a frut of mr.Lehmanns "imagination" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

mick78
08-24-2006, 03:31 PM
Well, that picture , i guess, goes quite well along with those spyshots - the front end looks very "Meganesque", the shape and the beltline also seem to fit. Atleast, it doesn't seem to carry any Fluence clues which to me is a pity. Some of the CGIs were very promising....

antman
08-24-2006, 04:20 PM
Hmmm very puzzling, you're right it doesn't look any more modern than the present one! The photoshop version nose is likely to be wrong, but we can see quite a lot of the rest of the car in the spy pix, and looks to safe for a new Renault...and too different to current laguna, desppite being VERY similar, to be a facelift....

mick78
08-25-2006, 05:42 AM
well, the current Laguna is already 6 years old and recieved a facelift some time ago - apart from obvious differences in the main body, that should answer all facelift questions.<p>It is a new car, but still hard to believe that Renault would go that evolutionary; ANother point is that it looks quite "sharp edged"(like a Megane), but Renault claimed they would give up on this overly sharp line look due to not so good acceptance, and the new Clio already indicated that. Would they really return to an older look?<p>Maybe someone could find out if there are plans for a bigger Dacia - if so, that could be it.

CosworthKid
08-25-2006, 02:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mick78</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Maybe someone could find out if there are plans for a bigger Dacia - if so, that could be it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> Not likely..10 years donw the road maybe, Dacia is for budget cheap cars, they wouldnt make something like that for the brand just now.<br>I didnt know Laguna was already 6 years old..are u sure? Cause thats the same age as the current Mondeo and Mondeo was out before Laguna if im not mistaken

mick78
08-25-2006, 03:49 PM
You're right, Mondeo came in September 2000 whilst the Laguna came a month or so later (like in 1993 with the first generations)<p>ABout a big Dacia: I'm not sure it could not work - remember Skoda Octavia - before they just had the Felicia, and half of that car (or even more) were still from the communist era. Actually, i always found the Felicia horrible to drive, and still, the Octavia sold from the begining and no one put it in question from the moment it appeared. SO why not a mid sized Dacia? Just be there before the Chinese are...

CosworthKid
08-25-2006, 04:16 PM
Thing is Skoda is a different case. VAG didnt make Skoda as an alternative to brands such as Dacia, instead they made it into a proper VW alternative. So what applies for Skoda doesnt apply for Dacia. A big saloon is not out of the question for Dacia, just not something as this. This looks too close to current Renault cars to be a Dacia car, and im not reffering to just the looks. It seems silly for Renault to make Dacia into an "alter-ego" if itself, instead an older model rebadged as Dacia makes much more sense as current Dacia's are such as the Logan

mick78
08-25-2006, 04:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thing is Skoda is a different case. VAG didnt make Skoda as an alternative to brands such as Dacia, instead they made it into a proper VW alternative. So what applies for Skoda doesnt apply for Dacia. A big saloon is not out of the question for Dacia, just not something as this. This looks too close to current Renault cars to be a Dacia car, and im not reffering to just the looks. It seems silly for Renault to make Dacia into an "alter-ego" if itself, instead an older model rebadged as Dacia makes much more sense as current Dacia's are such as the Logan</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In that case (aletr ego), they would so the exact same thing as VW with Skoda.<p>Anyway, in the 90s Skoda was exact where Dacia is now - CHEAP. Its their products since the Octavia Mk.I in 96, that made them a proper VW alternative (though personally i don't see them as an alternative but as the obvious choice). And the Octavia profited a lot from looking like a Passat without hurting the Passat image.<p>But back to Renault - i proposed "Larger Dacia" as i still can't believe Renault to go bland....<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by mick78 at 5:59 AM 8/26/2006</i>

CosworthKid
08-26-2006, 08:55 AM
Skoda was like that until early days of VAG ownership only. Renault aims the Dacia at mostly third-world countries cause they are cheap to make,sell and own and, like Lada's, ppl in those target markets dont need anything else. A Skoda style makeover wouldnt achieve anything good. Its like making the MINI brand into a Range Rover alternative...why? Dacia key words are "lowww budget" and "tough". Modern Renaults are not cheap and rely so much on modern technlogy that no one in the Dacia market would affort to keep or be able to fix if anything happens. Trust me, Skoda and Dacia are very different brands now and unless Renault goes awol and makes the same <B>mistakes</B> VAG did, Dacia should stick to what it was made for in the first place

mick78
08-26-2006, 09:03 AM
Ofcorse Rnault shouldn't do the same mistakes as VW - still, they could make a cheap yet large and modern family car.<p>I guess there would be planty of buyers in the Dacia markets.

CosworthKid
08-26-2006, 09:06 AM
Yeah mate, i never said i dont agree nor said something otherwise. I only stated that a car such as the one in the chop would be highly unlikely, i didnt dispute the whole "larger car" idea <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
09-20-2006, 10:04 AM
<A HREF="http://get.edidomus.it/auto/club/latuaopinione/foto/big_3582_fotoreporter_IMGP0600.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://get.edidomus.it/auto/cl...0.JPG</A>

mick78
09-20-2006, 11:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://get.edidomus.it/auto/club/latuaopinione/foto/big_3582_fotoreporter_IMGP0600.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://get.edidomus.it/auto/cl...0.JPG</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Seems to be the same car as on the previous shots - a cross between the current Megane and a Skoda Octavia, far from other innovative Renault designs. <p>I highly doubt that this is just a mule to misslead us, as some "insider" is claiming on Laguna as well as on the Twingo, with both cars so short before introduction. Sad for those lovers of weird french designs (and me who was hoping for more "Fluence" influence - hey that sounds good :)), but that seems to be the real thing.<p>Probably now as Citroen goes for the designer customers, Renault will go for the conservative ones (ppl. trading in pre facelift C5 or Xsaras)

the1
09-20-2006, 12:41 PM
A chop based on the Nepta.<p><A HREF="http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4916/renaultlagunaiiisurbaseneptaok8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img170.imageshack.us/im...8.jpg</A><p>

mick78
09-20-2006, 04:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A chop based on the Nepta.<p><A HREF="http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4916/renaultlagunaiiisurbaseneptaok8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img170.imageshack.us/im...8.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm afraid that chop looks better than the real car will....

the1
09-20-2006, 04:44 PM
Unfortunately, you are right.

Reppu
09-20-2006, 10:12 PM
Now that would be a proper C5 replacement....

Blob
09-22-2006, 10:06 AM
Looks like a Citroen DS lol

metallic
09-22-2006, 10:45 AM
Butt reminds me of '95 initiale concept.

vanhal
09-30-2006, 09:33 AM
<A HREF="http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/188753/laguna4ruote2%20(Small).jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/m...).jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/188753/laguna4ruote1%20(Small).jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/m...).jpg</A><br>Source: <A HREF="http://www.forum-auto.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forum-auto.com</A>

mick78
09-30-2006, 09:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vanhal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/188753/laguna4ruote2%20(Small).jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/m...).jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/188753/laguna4ruote1%20(Small).jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/m...).jpg</A><br>Source: <A HREF="http://www.forum-auto.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forum-auto.com</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wouldn't be too bad, but that's just a Infinty based chop - not even the peoportions match with the spyshots we've seen, and i'm afraid, the frontend as well....

vanhal
09-30-2006, 12:53 PM
I dont think its a shop. Details like strip above the rearwindow, sharp line at the frontblinkers, rear lights and rearmirrors + blinkers look right comparised with the darker light camouflaged laguna on earlier pics. I think its the real thing.<p><IMG SRC="http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/view_image.php/5936U06GQG4Z" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by vanhal at 1:14 PM 9/30/2006</i>

AGNRDARNETW
09-30-2006, 01:20 PM
I think it is a chop...these are the pics tthe chops are cased on...<br><A HREF="http://www.activetuning.com/blog/2006/04/2007-infiniti-g35-sedan-pics.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.activetuning.com/bl...s.php</A><p>P.S. It looks quite accurate though.

Ascariss
09-30-2006, 02:52 PM
I'd agree it's a chop, but judging from the spy pics it seems quite accurate it most of the design.

the1
10-01-2006, 12:00 PM
And not too appealing either.

mick78
10-01-2006, 02:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd agree it's a chop, but judging from the spy pics it seems quite accurate it most of the design.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, as those chops are based on a RWD car, proportions are for sure not accurate. Just compare with the spyshots And the details are not that exciting. But i'll leave my final judgement now until i see the real car, can't be too long as Laguna always comes a month or 2 after a Mondeo.

antman
10-08-2006, 05:17 PM
The chop has some accurate details, but I think the spyshots still show the possiblity of a fluence style nose, the shoulder crease is missing from the spyshot, plus the unusal door handles from the rear 3/4 shot. When those pics were shown I was dissapointed, but now I'm feeling that once we see the final product things will be better. As the company has said it won't be a bold design but hopefully it will be nice with subtle but interesting detailing.

genea
10-10-2006, 05:13 AM
gosh,i'd be so disapointed if it looks like the 1st spy pics with the brown car.its so bland.i know its camouflaged but still.....where's the fluence influence? mind you all the latest spy pics for the twingo 2 showed a very different car to what was shown at the paris motor show,so there's some hope.

the1
10-17-2006, 04:57 AM
<A HREF="http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9387/numeriser1kp3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img518.imageshack.us/im...3.jpg</A><p>Ugly and too evolutionary.

metallic
10-17-2006, 05:15 AM
I think this is renault megane chop. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><A HREF="http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4347/071sj9.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4347/071sj9.jpg</A><p>look the interior.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by metallic at 5:23 AM 10/17/2006</i>

the1
10-17-2006, 05:27 AM
It is a chop, I knew that, but it's very close to the actual Laguna.

mick78
10-17-2006, 06:06 AM
At least, the Fluence nose is here - but apart from there, yes, very evolutionary...

the1
11-08-2006, 07:31 AM
Another chop.<p><A HREF="http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5180/4il7.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5180/4il7.jpg</A>

mick78
11-08-2006, 10:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another chop.<p><A HREF="http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5180/4il7.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5180/4il7.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>It starts to look like a US Nissan.

Tidal
11-08-2006, 11:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><A HREF="http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5180/4il7.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5180/4il7.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Love that front end treatment, especially the small chrome strip. Hope to see it in the real car. <p>And really, on people complaining about this car looking too much like the current one, it still doesn't look outdated, the new front and rear design will bring it in line with market needs, and Renault seems to have focused their spending on the really important stuff: quality. That was always the Laguna II biggest problem. If they can get to the same quality levels the Modus/Clio have achieved ( for it's class ), and get the pricing right, they'll have a winner on their hands.

vanhal
11-09-2006, 04:49 AM
I dont think its is chrome what you see on the front. I think the front is white. <p>3 pictures, on the first picture you can see the 'chrome'. But the left chrome line isnt the same as the right chrome line. <p>On the second picture you can see the laguna estate. You can see the camouflage on the front is somewhat more open. Its all white underneath that camouflage.<p>On the third picture you see what i think, the white has been taped so the white looks like chrome lines.<p><IMG SRC="http://pics.livejournal.com/vanhal/pic/00001thr.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/br20_454066c2a4ae0.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://pics.livejournal.com/vanhal/pic/00005ks7.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I think it will be something like this:<br><A HREF="http://pics.livejournal.com/vanhal/pic/000069z2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://pics.livejournal.com/va...2.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by vanhal at 4:02 AM 11/9/2006</i>

CosworthKid
11-09-2006, 05:11 AM
Our complaints were not around those CG's but on the actual spy shots and come more recent CG's suggesting the new car will remain extremely similar. If it turned out like that blue CG then i would be happy

Blob
11-09-2006, 10:30 AM
what......a chrome bonet?? I will be amazed if this happens

cypher4
11-09-2006, 11:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blob</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what......a chrome bonet?? I will be amazed if this happens</TD></TR></TABLE> <br>Relax fellas! No way will anyone put a chrome bonet on any given car. Maybe aluminum. Just think anyway chrome+sunreflection... an accident waiting to happen. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

Mil
11-09-2006, 11:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cypher4</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>Relax fellas! No way will anyone put a chrome bonet on any given car. Maybe aluminum. Just think anyway chrome+sunreflection... an accident waiting to happen. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL, imagine the Mercs that they did in chrome...those were special, but in the sun light?...Thats a different story... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

antman
11-10-2006, 02:26 AM
having followed the discussion on planete renault, although it looks like chrome strips it is actually the velcro strips for the camo.

safari
11-10-2006, 03:24 AM
Maybe it is another disguise - Reminds me of Citroen design - perhaps that is what they are trying to use to make people believe this is actually a Citroen.<p>Apparently reading Autocar this week Renault are benchmarking Audi/BMW for the quality of the next Laguna taking the brand upmarket - should be interesting! They are using quality control standards used by Nissan which Renault owns.

Ace of Spades
11-10-2006, 09:39 PM
Well, maybe it's gonna be another half-missed shot, if it's gonna be based aroun the same mechanicals of the current one, only with more modern engines... I think that all thje hype forming around the next Laguna should wait dor its redesing (in 2010?), like the twon previous generations (the twon being nicer in its redesigned form <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> ).

vanhal
11-13-2006, 04:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>antman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">having followed the discussion on planete renault, although it looks like chrome strips it is actually the velcro strips for the camo.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Excactly, thats what i meant on planeterenault (ll0ll <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ). They are velcro strips to hold the camo in place. The bonet is white, so is the whole car (look at the photo, the sideskirt & rearbumper), so the white bonet and the dark velcro make it look like chroom.<p><IMG SRC="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/21_44ed991167928.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

vanhal
11-16-2006, 02:12 AM
Presentation of the laguna 3 coupe?<br><A HREF="http://pics.livejournal.com/vanhal/pic/0000a5ft.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://pics.livejournal.com/va...t.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
11-16-2006, 02:46 AM
Never heard of any plans for a coupe. That looks very likely to be the Laguna concept (just add 2 more doors perhaps). But if it does turn like that then why are ppl talking about evolutionary design? This looks great<p>edit: would be interesting if they did go for the coupe variant

dracomoda_0
11-16-2006, 02:47 AM
yes, Director of renault Italia told me, during a meeting in Monza for the Formula 1 Gp, of a Laguna coupè in a concept form. But he didn't answer to my other questions about it...

Reppu
11-16-2006, 02:52 AM
Isn't that the Fluence?

dracomoda_0
11-16-2006, 02:58 AM
I don't know....probably the final name of the coupe version will be Fluence...

the1
11-16-2006, 03:35 AM
If that's how the new Laguna looks, too, than it's really cool. Wow! I'm amazed.

Chicho
11-16-2006, 04:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vanhal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Presentation of the laguna 3 coupe?<br><A HREF="http://pics.livejournal.com/vanhal/pic/0000a5ft.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://pics.livejournal.com/va...t.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's a chop from the Nissan Altima Coupe<p><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/nissan1.5.jpg" BORDER="0"><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/nissan2.4.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/nissan3.1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/14/nissan-altima-coupe-needs-to-learn-french-fast" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/2006/1...-fast</A>/<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Chicho at 6:55 AM 12/15/2006</i>

the1
11-16-2006, 04:52 AM
Is the Laguna a chop of the Nissan or the Altima is a chop of that renault?

piokor
11-16-2006, 10:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the Laguna a chop of the Nissan or the Altima is a chop of that renault?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's a Laguna chop of the Nissan.

the1
11-30-2006, 04:40 AM
<A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/25_456eaaf5285e7.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...7.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/50_456eaaf529d57.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...7.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/22_456eaaf5208ed.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...d.jpg</A>

Reppu
11-30-2006, 07:22 AM
The wagon looks good (too much megane in the front maybe?), but i'm afraid the sedan will be dissapointing. Very little is shown, but so far i dislike the side profile and the big butt. Also, i don't like how the rear doors look so similar to the Passat ones (or the 3 series ones, for that matter).

David911
11-30-2006, 07:36 AM
the French and their big windows... This thing could have looked so good but no, they had to lower the shoulder line and bang... ruined the side profile!<br>

CosworthKid
11-30-2006, 07:51 AM
That last pic looks frighteningly similar with some old camoed shots of the new Mondeo.

mick78
11-30-2006, 11:33 AM
That car starts to look like a mixture of a lot of cars - Meagne headlamps on a Peugeot front, Passat backdoors, Laguna Mk. I sideskirts - altogether, quite boring and rather unispired for a Renault - but i guess will have to get used to boring Renaults, given some spyshots of models to come.

Reppu
12-01-2006, 12:33 AM
You never know, we all thought the Tiguan would be boring....

mick78
12-01-2006, 03:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You never know, we all thought the Tiguan would be boring....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, wait for the production trim - concept cars are usually more exciting.

the1
12-02-2006, 04:42 AM
This is certainly a car that needs to be seen in the flesh to fully judge.

metallic
12-02-2006, 06:49 AM
agreed. <br>When i first saw modus (it the factory), i thought it was rubbish, but now i can't think of cooler car than my neighbour's black elle (modus). I REALLY like it.<br>And clio aswell. When i first saw spyshots, i thought that it was ugly and complete failure, but look at it now, best selling car in europe. <br>I hope laguna will follow these two... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-13-2006, 06:59 PM
<A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/ecf/spyphotoID/6061212.002/renault%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20% 20%20%20%20/spy-photos-new-renault-laguna-wagon-and-sedan" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...sedan</A>

the1
12-14-2006, 11:08 AM
<A HREF="http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7679/sl32he7.png" TARGET="_blank">http://img142.imageshack.us/im...7.png</A>

antman
12-14-2006, 07:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7679/sl32he7.png" TARGET="_blank">http://img142.imageshack.us/im...7.png</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>This seems the closest render yet to what I've seen of the spy pix....

the1
12-15-2006, 01:52 AM
And it's not good.

CosworthKid
12-15-2006, 04:34 AM
Definately looks goofy. Rear looks like a take on the Volvo C30 rather than Renault design and front looks more fitted for a Nissan Primera. It doesnt look convincing or sorted and it lacks that classyness i was expecting. still it might not look like that in the end..

the1
12-15-2006, 04:35 AM
Hopefully, but doubtfully. :D

ToyotaFreak
02-03-2007, 10:48 AM
I think someone spotted a Renault Laguna III in Malaysia! The car was testing with trade plates.<p><A HREF="http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_804/page_m.asp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.motortrader.com.my/...m.asp</A><p><A HREF="http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_804/P1300026.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.motortrader.com.my/...6.JPG</A><p><A HREF="http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_804/P1300029.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.motortrader.com.my/...9.JPG</A>

the1
02-03-2007, 12:03 PM
Not too promising... it seems out of proportion... <p><A HREF="http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1440/p1300026xh7.png" TARGET="_blank">http://img64.imageshack.us/img...7.png</A><br><A HREF="http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/2564/p1300029bk7.png" TARGET="_blank">http://img382.imageshack.us/im...7.png</A><br>motortrader.com

drugmirko
02-03-2007, 12:07 PM
yeah.... but this would be nice..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><br><A HREF="http://www.xelopolis.com/blog/public/Renault/Laguna3croquis.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.xelopolis.com/blog/...s.jpg</A><p><br>sorry if it was posted... no mood for clicking all those links... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
02-04-2007, 02:26 PM
Yeah that looks at least French and kinda quirky which is what i want to see in French cars..i mean if i wanted Japanese pr Germanic styling id buy an Accord or a Passat

Vltava
02-04-2007, 10:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not too promising... it seems out of proportion... <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I tend not to agree. I like the shape, we'll have to see about the details.

drugmirko
02-05-2007, 05:27 AM
guys on autoweek.nl forum took some time for resizing (or for c/p from other sources <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) spys and comparing them with those, for me ugly, shops:<p><br><A HREF="http://i11.servimg.com/u/11/04/68/36/p1300012.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i11.servimg.com/u/11/04/68/36/p1300012.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/cliomax13.Projet2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.planeterenault.com/...2.jpg</A><p><br>and I'm afraid that in general shops might be right.... however scary and booring this may sound....<p>but I'm still hoping.....

the1
02-05-2007, 06:05 AM
It's ugly. The new Mondeo and Citroen C5 will beat it hands down.

CosworthKid
02-05-2007, 07:12 AM
Not sure if i can make an opinion (if those are accurate) without seeing the front bit first. I think it looks interesting and it has some muscularity in its shape + looking French enough which is good. I'll wait for actual photos to make up my mind if i like it or not

buzzer
02-22-2007, 02:17 AM
Renault Laguna 3 prototype <br><A HREF="http://e-kereta.com/wp/2007/02/22/prototype-car-in-kl/" TARGET="_blank">http://e-kereta.com/wp/2007/02...n-kl/</A>

antman
02-26-2007, 03:54 PM
World Car Fans has some new pics of the Lag3 testing in Australia. It has Victorian plates! I'll have to keep my eyes peeled!<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070226.003/6070226.003.mini1L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070226.003/6070226.003.mini2L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070226.003/6070226.003.mini3L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A>

ll0ll
02-27-2007, 02:49 AM
one more pic and an impression:<p><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/rela50_45e2bd31dbd0a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...a.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.planeterenault.com/ftp/ftp/megane_coupe59.ScreenHunter_022.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.planeterenault.com/...2.jpg</A>

metallic
02-27-2007, 03:08 AM
Front end looks quite accurate to the spy shots, while back looks like c6.

the1
02-27-2007, 04:25 AM
It's not that bad in this cgi.<br><IMG SRC="http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/205/lagix7.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><i>Modified by the1 at 4:40 AM 2/27/2007</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by the1 at 4:41 AM 2/27/2007</i>

Ray
02-27-2007, 08:40 PM
How would Lehmann have known that the Laguna was being tested in Australia? its such a relatively conservative design, and being RHD, that if they had not fitted the disguise, no local person would have noticed.

CosworthKid
02-28-2007, 02:47 AM
Mate u talk about conservative design and u are in Australia? This Laguna aint more conservative than any other car in its segment, especially compared to Aussie cars. With that rear end id say its pretty easy to figure out the model and they probably got sent the pics from a source and made the math

ll0ll
02-28-2007, 03:45 AM
But what if the car drives around without camouflage thinking no one in australia would noticed it as the renault laguna 3, and one person sees it and recognizes it as the new laguna 3 and shoots a cellphone photo of it, i think goshn wont be very happy to see that photo spread around on the internet. <br>I think its obvious renault lets the lag3 drive around disguised, no matter what country it is in...

carella
02-28-2007, 08:46 AM
Interesteing that both cars in Malaysia and Australia are right jand drive, given that Renaults aim with the next Laguna is to put it in the top 3 cars in its class in terms of quality! could it be that the car is being developed by Nissan engineers? hence the right hand drive and the testing in areas where Renault have not tested before?<p>BTW I drive a Laguna 11 phase 2, imo it still looks good and far better than the Mondeo which seems to have dated much quicker, I also love the interior and the Sat Nav controles are prob the easiest to use of any I have tried, much better than BMW's Idrive, mayby not quite as good as an Audi.......Unfortunatly my laguna is only a paultry 1.6 ltr...more to do with the mad high taxs we pay on big engined cars here in Ireland. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

mattthebad
02-28-2007, 08:55 AM
I drive a Laguna II Phase2 Initale 2.2d. Great car and lots of value for my bucks. The nav system is one of the best around!<p>Looking forward to Lag 3, especially the Grandtour.

ll0ll
02-28-2007, 11:47 PM
Bigger impression:<br><A HREF="http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6567/laguna2vc6.png" TARGET="_blank">http://img120.imageshack.us/im...6.png</A>

mzoltarp
03-02-2007, 06:46 AM
Just as long as that nose isn't inflicted on Nissan all will be fine.

antman
04-15-2007, 05:52 PM
Some more spyshots in Australia, this time in Melbourne. Quite close to me actually...<p><A HREF="http://www.caradvice.com.au/2168/new-renault-laguna-spy-shots-australia" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caradvice.com.au/21...ralia</A>/

metallic
05-04-2007, 07:34 AM
<A HREF="http://www.insidenewlaguna.com/site/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.insidenewlaguna.com/site/</A> <p>I hope that photo is real! It looks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
05-04-2007, 07:50 AM
Of course its real, its the official Renault site!<br>Looking forward to the unveiling, boy i hope it is at least 10 times more emotional as a car than the current model.<br>Crap site though, i wanted to register but they only have a handful of countries to choose from<p>THANKS for the link btw :)

metallic
05-04-2007, 07:52 AM
Well, yeah, i know it's real, but i hope that it will look like that as well in the end. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>BTW, there are some interior photos as well.<br> <IMG SRC="http://images20.fotosik.pl/302/3034ed6e29fc6757.jpg" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by metallic at 9:28 AM 5/4/2007</i>

CosworthKid
05-04-2007, 07:55 AM
Yeah i saw them, they look cool. I DO hope they manage to give it a Gallic-chique look like Citroen did with the C6 <p>Video is funny, that French guys sounds silly speaking in English like that

Bern
05-04-2007, 02:40 PM
Video of the touring version...<p><A HREF="http://www.autojournal.fr/scoop&flv=13" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autojournal.fr/scoop&flv=13</A>

metallic
05-04-2007, 03:01 PM
limo as well<br> <A HREF="http://www.autojournal.fr/scoop&flv=14" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autojournal.fr/scoop&flv=14</A> <p>@cosworthkid, this is what i was talking about... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Bern
05-04-2007, 03:37 PM
Can also add these:<p><A HREF="http://www.autojournal.fr/scoop&flv=15" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autojournal.fr/scoop&flv=15</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autojournal.fr/scoop&flv=16" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autojournal.fr/scoop&flv=16</A>

safari
05-04-2007, 03:56 PM
I think I like it - looks like a shark from the front - not like a Peugeot though - I especially like the fog lights designed into the bumper

CosworthKid
05-04-2007, 04:30 PM
Hmmm...im not fully convinced, first impressions arent that great for me. It tries to look classy in an avant guard French way but the benchmark for that is the Citroen C6 and this Laguna cant even scratch that cars arse.<br>The profile of the Estate looks dodgy and lacks the presence it needs to truly look "chique". The front might as well be a facelift of the current, i guess in the same way im expecting the Golf VI to be of the V.<br>This car needs to be as classy as a Lexus yet French enough to pull it off, so unless the interior design and quality is excellent enough to make up for the bulkyness of the car and the highly probable lack of "soul" in its driving (judging by all other Lagunas) i cant see this doing much better than the current car. And with Renault sales taking a dive lately im not sure this can cut it. I think the Mondeo, Passat and Insignia will still eat it for breakfast. Not to mention the 3-series.<br>Plus, from that short promo video on the Renault site, it seems Renault is still relying on gadgets and technology to pull customers in: NOT the best way to go around promoting the Laguna when the company has such a questionable reliability and its mostly due to the excessive use of electronics which can and DO go wrong or stop working.

mzoltarp
05-04-2007, 06:03 PM
Looks very Toyotaish.

Ascariss
05-04-2007, 08:12 PM
blandish, the sketch on the site looks better : / will wait for more pictures though, but it ain't looking perdy.

jairo
05-04-2007, 08:16 PM
I'm sooo disappointed. What was Renault thinking. It looks ok but it doesn't look chique or charming like it should for it to stand out in it's class.<br>Why couldn't they make it look like the Fluence or the Altica? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

Vltava
05-04-2007, 11:31 PM
The cabin looks of a very high quality but I'm in the "disappointed" camp re: the bodywork. A car I had a lot of hope for.

mick78
05-05-2007, 01:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmmm...im not fully convinced, first impressions arent that great for me. It tries to look classy in an avant guard French way but the benchmark for that is the Citroen C6 and this Laguna cant even scratch that cars arse.<br>The profile of the Estate looks dodgy and lacks the presence it needs to truly look "chique". The front might as well be a facelift of the current, i guess in the same way im expecting the Golf VI to be of the V.<br>This car needs to be as classy as a Lexus yet French enough to pull it off, so unless the interior design and quality is excellent enough to make up for the bulkyness of the car and the highly probable lack of "soul" in its driving (judging by all other Lagunas) i cant see this doing much better than the current car. And with Renault sales taking a dive lately im not sure this can cut it. I think the Mondeo, Passat and Insignia will still eat it for breakfast. Not to mention the 3-series.<br>Plus, from that short promo video on the Renault site, it seems Renault is still relying on gadgets and technology to pull customers in: NOT the best way to go around promoting the Laguna when the company has such a questionable reliability and its mostly due to the excessive use of electronics which can and DO go wrong or stop working. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I couldn't agree more. Though I don't think Renault should be a French Lexus (that should be more probably Peugeot, once titled "the french Mercedes", a long time ago), Renault should look & be innovative. This Laguna tries, yes, but it remains a try. ANd "keyless go" in the video is hardly new, I think it is available in 75 % of cars (last gen Laguna had it since it's introduction), but at least the ideo is funny.....<p>ANd yes, the estate (current still looks really nice IMO) is an even bigger disappointment so far....

safari
05-05-2007, 01:17 AM
I am still going to wait to make my final decision when the official pics are out - have to say though - compared to the Mondeo Estate it does seem quite small to me. Perhaps it's the light in the video.<p>As I have said many times before both Peugeot and Renault have lost their way in terms of styling - the new 308 looks identical to the 207! Maybe it will be down to Citroen (again) to rescue French car design with the new C5.<p>P.S. Tip for Renault or Peugeot - bring back Pininfarina

metallic
05-05-2007, 01:51 AM
1. Opel/Vauxhall Corsa 118.005<br>2. Fiat Punto 115.609<br>3. Ford Focus 113.224<br>4. Peugeot 207 112.540<br>5. Renault Clio 109.653<br>6. Opel/Vauxhall Astra 108.799<br>7. Ford Fiesta 106.329<br>8. VW Golf 102.057<br>9. VW Passat 80.353<br>10. BMW Serie3 75.137<p>If you look at top 10, u see that car must look blank (all of these does, in my opinion), soo laguna is on good way. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>But i really don't think that it look blank, especially compared to passat, mondeo (main rivals), 3 is not laguna's competitor ofcourse.<br>Well, i won't say anything 'till i see oficial pics. I am a little disappointed, i was expecting sportier car according to teaser, but i didn't think it was realistic in first place soo...

mick78
05-05-2007, 03:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>metallic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> 1. Opel/Vauxhall Corsa 118.005<br>2. Fiat Punto 115.609<br>3. Ford Focus 113.224<br>4. Peugeot 207 112.540<br>5. Renault Clio 109.653<br>6. Opel/Vauxhall Astra 108.799<br>7. Ford Fiesta 106.329<br>8. VW Golf 102.057<br>9. VW Passat 80.353<br>10. BMW Serie3 75.137<p>If you look at top 10, u see that car must look blank (all of these does, in my opinion), soo laguna is on good way. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>But i really don't think that it look blank, especially compared to passat, mondeo (main rivals), 3 is not laguna's competitor ofcourse.<br>Well, i won't say anything 'till i see oficial pics. I am a little disappointed, i was expecting sportier car according to teaser, but i didn't think it was realistic in first place soo...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which statistics are these? Europe? One month? Some countries annual stats?<p>I agree that in general bland cars sell better, even though Fiat is a good example that if customers expect the brand to be "non bland", and yet they create bland cars (last gen Punto, Stilo), they won't sell. And Renault could get trapped here as well....<p>We know that the Megane hatchback was a bit over the top, still they shouldn't give up totally...

metallic
05-05-2007, 04:14 AM
This is statistics of top 10 in europe this year.<br>Well, stilo 5 dr looks like... i won't tell it. Bravo looks better, i just still don't like it too much. <br>But i think there is no wories for renault. Twingo looks nice, i have seen it in person. It's not radical as it was in '90, but it's still very nice looking car indeed, far from boring that might some ppls think. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
05-05-2007, 07:23 AM
the hood is too flat. it needs some creases or something to give it some character.

Horizon
05-05-2007, 09:53 AM
i quite like the front.at first,i thought the headlamps looked way too big but after a while they looked really menacing and expressive.overall,the front do have a fishy look to it (in a good way..if that exist).<br>the estate looked pathetic though,very japanese design circa 1989-1994.it could have been a japan-only bluebird estate from the late eighties and i wouldnt have noticed.really,really hope the profile on the hatch will look a lot better.

CosworthKid
05-05-2007, 11:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>metallic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> 1. Opel/Vauxhall Corsa 118.005<br>2. Fiat Punto 115.609<br>3. Ford Focus 113.224<br>4. Peugeot 207 112.540<br>5. Renault Clio 109.653<br>6. Opel/Vauxhall Astra 108.799<br>7. Ford Fiesta 106.329<br>8. VW Golf 102.057<br>9. VW Passat 80.353<br>10. BMW Serie3 75.137<p>If you look at top 10, u see that car must look blank (all of these does, in my opinion), soo laguna is on good way. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>But i really don't think that it look blank, especially compared to passat, mondeo (main rivals), 3 is not laguna's competitor ofcourse.<br>Well, i won't say anything 'till i see oficial pics. I am a little disappointed, i was expecting sportier car according to teaser, but i didn't think it was realistic in first place soo...</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>1- Opel Corsa and Fiat Punto are neither bland nor boringly designed and both models have enjoyed massive success in Europe with all their genmerations<p>2- Ford Focus and VW Golf are hardly on the list cause they are "dull", maybe their exteriors are not in your face but they are the best in their class, hands down, in every area and especially in the way they drive (soul factor)<p>3- the Ford Fiesta offers excellent value, good ergonomics and a fine ride. Sure its conservative but thats not the reason its selling<p>4- The Renault Clio is the only Renault on the list but given the great reviews and awards its hardly a surprise. Also dont forget that its bland styling is a big disapointment to most ppl's mind, yet the car is really good<p>5- Opel Astra is terrific looking in 3-door and in 5-door it looks very good, has a cool interior and good ride. One of the best in its class<p>6- The VW Passat is hardly conservative and bland, its quite imposing on the road, well built and carries the VW badge. Plus in some markets it does start at an extremely competitive price<p>7- The BMW 3-Series? A perfect car, it doesnt matter if its styled for the Pope or for Madonna it will still sell cause its an excellent all rounder and from a highly praised brand<p>8- The Peugeot 207 is funky and quirky enough, even though its getting too fat. But the 206 was such a massive success, no wonder this is selling<p><br>So you see this doesnt say anything about the market's prefference in "bland" as u put it and doesnt make the Laguna's case any better even if it did. Current Laguna aint exactly a UFO, it never sold though. Why? Passion-LESS.

metallic
05-05-2007, 11:24 AM
Laguna was in top 3 in it's class from 2001 to 2003. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I was refering to middle class, but ok. I like interesting cars, like all '00 to '04 renaults and so on, but i really don't see anyting cool on those cars. maybe astra 3 dr, but everything else looks the same.<br>PS, don't forget, ppls who buy such car (mostly males in 30s) aren't looking for some crazy designs a la megane or vel satis, but nice design, some sportiynes, some luxury, some comfort. I guess laguna will have a little bit of all.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by metallic at 11:48 AM 5/5/2007</i>

CosworthKid
05-05-2007, 05:35 PM
Most ppl who buy small and medium cars (Euro sized) are actually mostly young ppl and (i dont know how old u are) but a male or female in their 30's are hardly "old" so they still want something cool and stylish depending on their personality. 98% of friends and relatives of mine under the age of 35 all own cars such as the Focus, Astra, Golf or smaller such as the Fiesta, Corsa, 207 etc. Style as well as value play a role.<p>But the Laguna territory is completely different, ppl who buy a Golf or a Fiesta usually arent even thinking about a Laguna. The Laguna is the car that usually goes to families or to ppl who like having a larger car and either way its a shrinking market as well cause those ppl usually end up buying a 3er or an S40/S60 (just a random example) and the rest opt for the Passat so far. This isnt including markets such as the UK which have a different structure. Yet of course if u go to Italy ud expect the Alfa 159 to be a frequent sight yet in France im sure the Laguna fairs much better although im guessing the 3er and Passat are giving it a hard time. The way to go ahead in this segment is to either have a car that looks classy enough to appeal as premium or semi-premium or something that looks gobsmackingly beautiful inside and outside.<br>These photos of the Laguna are neither IMO so it will struggle..unless its priced extremely competitively and offers a lot of kit as standard

metallic
05-06-2007, 12:59 AM
Hm, if i look at passat, i really can't find it beautiful. But if you look at statistics, it's best seller. Soo, i guess you just need right combination of all ingredients. <br>PS, ghosn said before, costumers in this class are looking for nice car, nothing special, soo this was expected i guess.

safari
05-06-2007, 03:59 AM
I completely disagree - When we are talking volume - cars sell mainly on their badge appeal and popularity in whichever market they are regardless of what they are like to drive. (i.e. French buying French cars)<p>I will give you an example In the UK when the Ford Escort Mark 4? came out in 1990 and was in actual fact worse than its predecessor in virtually every area - it was an appauling car to drive - the ride, the engine, the gearbox, the handling - everything about is was dia. However it still went to the top of the class in terms of sales and stayed there along with the equally appauling Fiesta and Vauxhall Astra. (and yes there were plenty of better cars in those days) Why? Because Ford and Vauxhall have always been popular - just like people who shop at Asda and Somerfield and thos e who shop at M&S and Waitrose.<p>I think there is and will be a core percentage of the car buying public who buy a car on how well engineered it is and generally the people who visit sites like this one are in actual fact car enthusiasts. However there is actually a huge percentage of people who buy cars just to get from A - B and couldn't care less whether the 'chassis balance and weight distribution of the car is spot on'. A guy from work is about to change his Ford Escort and he is not interested in cars - but he will be getting a Ford Focus next - why? because of its excellent handling characteristics - no because its a Ford.<p>The reason for Fords and Vauxhalls in Britain topping the charts is because they always have done. The fact that Fords are better now than in 1990 is largely irrelevant.<p>What is different now than in say 1990 is that credit is more widely available and this means that so called 'premium marques' are more widely available - and Mr and Mrs Ford who have been loyal to the brand for years are thinking well I will borrow money and buy an X5 like Mr & Mrs BMW next door - why? Because they know it has that prestige badge! Not because it is better to drive.<p>Renault Lagunas have had reasonable sales in the UK - nothing compared with the Mondeo - but if you looked at sales in France I expect it would be far greater. If the Renault Laguna came out tomorrow and was the best car in its class in every area - it still wouldn't reach the top of the class in terms of sales - for all the reasons I have mentioned above.<p><i>Modified by safari at 4:09 AM 5/6/2007</i><p><br><i>Modified by safari at 4:12 AM 5/6/2007</i><p><br><i>Modified by safari at 4:13 AM 5/6/2007</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by safari at 4:14 AM 5/6/2007</i>

CosworthKid
05-06-2007, 04:47 AM
Things have drastically changed from those times of the Mk4 Escord and u cannot deny that.<br>Buyers now are far more demanding and even though badge power still plays a great role, judging by decreasing VW sales and the heavy bashing and loses Mercedes had suffered a few years back id argue that things have changed.<br>In my homemarket ppl would have never considered buying a Ford or a Fiat a few years ago. Now? Ford is number 1 in sales and the previous "kings" which where VW, Renault and Peugeot (among others) are losing market share FAST.<p>U cannot compare the market 20 years ago with today. And u cannot compare the Mk4 Escord with the Mk2 Focus.<p>I will say this again: the segment in which the laguna competes is DYING. Today;s buyers DO care about how the car drives, about quality, about reliability and lately about fuel consumption and gadgets it offers. U cannot possibly say that they dont care about these things?<br>When someone has to choose between a Passat, Mondeo and Laguna (for example) first impressions will be, indeed, the badge and then the looks of the car. But if the Laguna looks better than the other 2 trust me it will catch the buyers attention. Then the buyer will want to know how much it costs, what it offers, how it drives and what the press says about it and the engine output and consumption.<br>Ive never been to a car dealer to ask about a car without having him wave a magazine review or 2 in my face stating as a fact how well a car is received.<br>Image is important in most markets.<br>U based your whole arguement on one single market: UK. And the UK is not that representative of the whole European market

safari
05-06-2007, 05:08 AM
Yes you are right about the fact I have based this on the UK market - I don't know enough about European market as a whole. So my comments are generally based on the UK. <p>Firstly I am not comparing the Escort mark 4 to the Ford Focus - Merely just stating that Fords dominance of the UK market along with Vauxhall doesn't depend on whether the handling is the best in its class or whether it is has more space. There will always be people that will buy a car on its looks alone - some on the space it has for their family, others because they want a drivers car - but whether we like it or not a huge portion of people who buy cars haven't got a clue whether it is the best car in its class or not! They have never picked up a Car Magazine.<p>My friends girlfried and my sister in law and my friend at work (male) couldn't tell a Ford from a VW - and they couldn't care less either. <p>My Uncle has been faithful to Ford since way before I was born - he had an Anglia, Corsair, Cortina, Capri, Granada, Focus - He hasn't got a clue about how other cars drive or look - the fact is he always had Fords and always will .<p>I don't think the Laguna segment is dying - But the segments market share is diminishing when people buy S-Max's, Picasso's and X3's and also more prestige models. But the main reason for this is because they are more practical.<p>

CosworthKid
05-06-2007, 05:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>safari</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>I don't think the Laguna segment is dying - But the segments market share is diminishing when people buy S-Max's, Picasso's and X3's and also more prestige models. But the main reason for this is because they are more practical.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The main reason for vehicles such as the S-Max IS because the Laguna-sized sedan category is suffering. This is based on statistics buddy not my personal view. I appreicate u base ur arguement on the UK market but we have to see the bigger picture and even though i trust UK publications and reviews the most, the UK market as a market isnt at all representative of Europe as a whole (just like with music, food and "culture" in general). The reason why the Passat and Mondeo have grown so much, have increased the quality and offer so much is so they can draw customers in. Going back to UK market, dont forget that even the more expensive 3-Series used to outsell the Ford Mondeo at some point. So thats why this segment has turned to semi-premium looks and quality in order to compete (but with normal pricing) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anyway back to the car itself, i say lets wait for the actual unveiling and then judge. First impression have failed to impress me as i said but who knows, the interior seems really good so perhaps..Arghhh! Who im a kidding, most important factor for me is the way it drives and how much "soul" it delivers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

safari
05-06-2007, 05:38 AM
You've contradicted yourself - How can the Passat and Mondeo grow so much in what you say is a diminishing market.<p>Anyway I agree it is a diminishing market - but it is not 'dying' as you mentioned. <p>BMW have to my knowledge never overtaken sales of Ford - whether they have the mondeo I have know idea - that wasn't my point anyway. <p>Anyway as you mentioned - this is supposed to be about the Renault Laguna and not about car sales- although it is a pertinent to be talking about the Renault Laguna will influence this segment. <p>I do think Renault need to focus on their identity more - I am not a big fan of current Peugeot designs but at least it has an identity - Renault is becoming more and more influenced by the Far East it seems

CosworthKid
05-06-2007, 05:46 AM
Mate im not contradicting myself, u just aint listening.<br>Passat and Mondeo have grown in size, that makes them more appealing to customers since they get a lot more car for their money. Its simple<br>Do some research and u will see that, again, what i say about the 3er overtaking the Mondeo in sales is also true and the 3er has taken sales away from every car in its size/segment.<br>Sales is relevant to the Laguna discussion, if the car isnt made clever enough to sell then its pointless.<p>Anyway i dont have anything else to add to this. Like i said i await full photos and reviews.

Rio-man
05-06-2007, 10:21 AM
Here you can find a dutch newsmessage with a URL where you can find a website where Renault put information for the public:<p><A HREF="http://www.concept-car.nl/Autoforum/viewtopic.php?p=6785#6785" TARGET="_blank">http://www.concept-car.nl/Auto...#6785</A>

CosworthKid
05-06-2007, 11:40 AM
thats the same link as above

metallic
05-07-2007, 04:30 AM
New photos:<br> <A HREF="http://www.autoscoops.be/autoforum/viewtopic.php?t=4127&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoscoops.be/autof...t=300</A> <br>

AGNRDARNETW
05-07-2007, 04:40 AM
It looks good.

antman
05-07-2007, 05:22 AM
Looks a bit more promising. LoL, I forgot I still had an account at autoscoops - I used to go there as much as here!

CosworthKid
05-07-2007, 07:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>metallic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">New photos:<br> <A HREF="http://www.autoscoops.be/autoforum/viewtopic.php?t=4127&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoscoops.be/autof...t=300</A> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>It requires a password

drugmirko
05-07-2007, 07:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It requires a password</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>here.... this one doesn't:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?ID=6487" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?ID=6487</A>

metallic
05-07-2007, 08:27 AM
Oh, yeah, i forgot about that... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

safari
05-07-2007, 09:18 AM
From the picks the interior looks very high quality - which bodes well. Seems like Renault have their own 'i-drive' as well now!

concept-car
05-07-2007, 01:22 PM
Then what about this...<p><A HREF="http://www.concept-car.nl/Autoforum/viewtopic.php?p=6828#6828" TARGET="_blank">http://www.concept-car.nl/Auto...#6828</A>

Darkrain
05-07-2007, 02:21 PM
Here are some high resolutions pics :<p><A HREF="http://www.netcarshow.com/renault/2008-laguna/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.netcarshow.com/renault/2008-laguna/</A>

tomd89
05-07-2007, 02:34 PM
from those spy pics i quite like it, looks different in a sort of plain way, hard to explain.

CosworthKid
05-07-2007, 04:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Darkrain</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here are some high resolutions pics :<p><A HREF="http://www.netcarshow.com/renault/2008-laguna/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.netcarshow.com/renault/2008-laguna/</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>If only they made the headlamps and tail lights a bit more tasteful and purposeful.. Seems a lot of the European brands put all their effort into creating distinct hatchbacks yet when it comes to the sedan versions a lot of the time they seem half bothered to produce something outstanding (not reffering to premium makers)

haji
05-07-2007, 06:29 PM
the official debut date is June 4.<p>some of the first pics<br><IMG SRC="http://www.hobidas.com/common/aimg/000065127.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.hobidas.com/common/aimg/000065130.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.hobidas.com/common/aimg/000065133.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>official teaser website<br><A HREF="http://www.insidenewlaguna.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.insidenewlaguna.com</A>/

concept-car
05-07-2007, 10:15 PM
<IMG SRC="http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/15142/2005616297511602310_rs.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/14375/2000148030954221647_rs.jpg" BORDER="0">

hilton
05-07-2007, 11:02 PM
the 2nd pic is really nice, not sure abot the 1st

Reppu
05-08-2007, 12:04 AM
I don't like that front. Not that it looks bad, it's just so uninspired and uninspiring...I suppose it will be one of those designs that will grow with time, because there's no way it can get dated...if you get my meaning

safari
05-08-2007, 01:43 AM
Ooh I can't wait to the release date on the 4th June.......<p>........no hold on, yes I can.....<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Actually I don't mind the looks - it's inoffensive and rather conservative for Renault - when you consider the Vel Satis or now obsolete Avantime. Those are huge headlights though! (still I love the fog lights - very clever)<p>What I want to know is this - Is white the new silver?

ocn75
05-08-2007, 02:54 AM
The weird-shaped headlights are a disappointment - my immediate thought when looking at the first pic was that the front end of the car had been involved in a collision with a stationary object. Judgement on the rear end will have to wait for more pics / images but something isn't sitting right with the second pic - my primary gripe I think is that the rear bumper seems to lack adequate depth.

Mr. Fusion
05-08-2007, 03:41 AM
I like it. I like the cuurent one and this one. Looks more radical than I first suspected. THe spy shots of the Laguna in the factory has suffered alot of critism from other car websites with people saying the Vectra is back in fashion and it looks ugly etc. <p>Have Renault released any information on prices or specs?<p>The front lower grille could do with a revision.....

mattthebad
05-08-2007, 05:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ocn75</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...but something isn't sitting right with the second pic - my primary gripe I think is that the rear bumper seems to lack adequate depth. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Compare to: <A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6061212.002/country/ecf/renault/spy-photos-new-renault-laguna-wagon-and-sedan" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...sedan</A><p>As you see, the car has the same ground clearance in the back as the undisguised one.

mattthebad
05-08-2007, 05:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>safari</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">still I love the fog lights - very clever</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Those aren't fog lights. My guess - it's the daytime lights<p>From the pic on page 11 and the vids on page 9 you can see the fog lights are still round and sit in the lower l/r corners of the front.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I want to know is this - Is white the new silver?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>No, white's the new black!

ocn75
05-08-2007, 05:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mattthebad</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As you see, the car has the same ground clearance in the back as the undisguised one.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Appears so. Must admit, the rear end looks more promising based on the worldcarfans spy shots than the just posted shots. Obviously, need to wait and see the final product to make an overall judgement.

Vincenzo
05-08-2007, 06:45 AM
<A HREF="http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2457/20032007022wb3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img218.imageshack.us/im...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9735/20032007024jl3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img218.imageshack.us/im...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8048/20032007023wc2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img218.imageshack.us/im...2.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
05-08-2007, 06:50 AM
WTF? Now i remembered where ive seen that rear end before: Focus CC!<br><IMG SRC="http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2412/focuscc3mj1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br> Well, close enough. <br>Still not convinced BUT the interior looks extremely welcoming and cosy, a first for a Renault in ages

concept-car
05-08-2007, 07:53 AM
Blech, it would be better if the redesign that rear end, by the way. Awful, really!

drugmirko
05-08-2007, 10:22 AM
here Cosworth, a big one of the rear end, compare.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><A HREF="http://www.avtomobilizem.com/forum/download.php?id=13448" TARGET="_blank">http://www.avtomobilizem.com/f...13448</A><p>and what did they spell there RENESE or what.... are they going to rename it? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

metallic
05-08-2007, 10:33 AM
Maybe it's renamed for other markets? Like japan or something. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>This second set of teasers are official pics, btw. And it says: New laguna, ...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by metallic at 10:55 AM 5/8/2007</i>

Vincenzo
05-08-2007, 11:37 AM
No, it's just a "joke" from Renault testers.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Still not convinced BUT the interior looks extremely welcoming and cosy, a first for a Renault in ages</TD></TR></TABLE><p>An eternity? Even the Laguna 2 and Velsatis? :P<p><IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/renault/2005/laguna/gama/gra/38.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/renault/2007/velsatis/gama/gra/30.jpg" BORDER="0">

Tidal
05-08-2007, 11:48 AM
I think the front is vaguely similar to it's ill fated cousin, the Nissan Primera. Good to see they didn't go for a boring look ( at least apparently ), but i think ill wait for official pics first. And i'm not sure about the interior. That's an awful lot of buttons, what ever happened to their theory of simplifying interiors?

Horizon
05-08-2007, 01:01 PM
i was disapointed at 1st but i think with each details that are released i'am liking it better and better.<br>those headlamps DO look like primera's,interesting shape but,just like with the nissan,they lend a fragile look to the font end.i dunno,there's something about the square-cut headlights and bumper design that makes primera look reall vulnerable. i hope this nasty fate won't affect laguna III.<br>i really rate the interior.look at those hockey style handles on the side....amazing.<br>at least,its this kind of details that makes it retain some frenchness.i welcomed carlos goshn as head of renault as i thought he would take the company even furher successfully but i admit that i worry a little about the design direction they might take.sometimes it looks like the cars are going to get a more conventional look and erase all the quirks that made renault's so french.as seen with the twingo2.not a bad looking car in itself.but it could have been any other manufacturer that designed it.<br>but somehow i'am regaining faith after the last teasers,it still has some cool details.<br>oh! and never ever before has a french car interior looked more solid than in this car.

CosworthKid
05-08-2007, 04:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vincenzo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>An eternity? Even the Laguna 2 and Velsatis? :P<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I havent seen a VelSatis interior personally (its THAT rare here!) but im not liking the Laguna 2, Megane etc. Not bad, just not my idea of a great interior as far as aesthetic design is concerned <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

hakkinen
05-08-2007, 06:20 PM
Anyone noticed the name that is written on this pic?<p><A HREF="http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8048/20032007023wc2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img218.imageshack.us/im...2.jpg</A><p>It is not Laguna or Renault. Sth like "Renesa"...<p>@ndreas

mattthebad
05-09-2007, 12:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hakkinen</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>...It is not Laguna or Renault. Sth like "Renesa"...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It reads 'renese'. Either a joke by some renault people or the car has been prepared for a car clinic, so that common people that might preview and rate the car aren't influenced by the term'laguna'.

safari
05-09-2007, 01:46 AM
Perhaps it will be called Renese - instead of Laguna - Sounds like Rene the bartender who appeared on old sitcom in UK called Allo Allo! <p><br>The pics of the interior of the Laguna 3 - the top part of the dash looks like A BMW no doubt that was the inspiration.

drugmirko
05-09-2007, 09:30 AM
no.... this RENESE is either a joke or name for markets where Clio is also renamed to something stupid..... Lutetia or something like that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but.... something else just came to my attention. have you notice the size of rear bumper!!!! that thing is humungous <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> ! it goes right up to those thin strip acting as a rear lights on the top of the boot. judging from this picture....:<p><br><A HREF="http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8048/20032007023wc2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img218.imageshack.us/im...2.jpg</A><p><br>....it looks like this new laguna practically won't have rear fenders! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

JB
05-09-2007, 12:32 PM
It does have bumpers, but they're hard to see because of the crappy picture quality and the fact that the car is black.

drugmirko
05-10-2007, 01:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JB</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It does have bumpers, but they're hard to see because of the crappy picture quality and the fact that the car is black.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> you misunderstood me.... it has bumpers, they are enormous! so big that rear fenders (side metal body panel that goes from the edge of the doors down/up to the rear/front bumper and usualy covers wheels) are going to be small! and if nothing else I think that, because of this huge bumper size, they are going to be interestingly shaped! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
05-10-2007, 01:43 AM
here.... :<p><IMG SRC="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2786/naamloosxp2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>on that link of black Laguna shot, taken from behind is clearly visible that rear bumper dominates on rear end, "huging" the rear doors fom light to light, but you cant see how far towards the rear doors it streches. I found a snap shot of limo version video, where you can see how far to the side over the wheel arch and how high bumper commes on the boot. right up to the lights wich practicaly are on top of the boot lid<p>anyway..... IT'S MASSIVE! I don't remember seeing a car with such humongous bumper! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

Horizon
05-15-2007, 03:20 PM
i know we've had real pics so far but this reprentation,from forum-auto.com is pretty accurate as made by a blogger called bikinours under the guidance of another blogger,renaultboy,who happens to work for renault.<br>i've been following this thread for a while now and i genuinely believe renaultboy DOES work for the carmaker,he came up with many info that were verified by the latest pics.<br>and the lucky man has been to the internal presentation a few days ago and had very good impresion of the car.<br>he explained that 1st and foremost the company emphasised the handling of the car,the renault people even talking about a small revolution (but they would ay that,wouldn't they?).<br>he admits that he was very impressed by one video that showed the car's superb handling on narrow,twisty roads.<br>he confirmed that for the time being the engines will start with 110hp petrol to v6 dci 240hp.<br>looks-wise,he was full of praise,stating that the white car in the latest pics doesnt do any favours to the styling.he describe a very ascending window line that gives the car dynamism and a an overall design that he describes as facet-like.different parts of the car are treated like the polishing of a diamond,if that makes sense.<p><A HREF="http://www.forum-auto.com/marques/renault/sujet1033-4620.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forum-auto.com/marq...0.htm</A><br> <br>btw,this forum,on the link, has the weirdest emoticon i have ever seen.its a bit everywhere on this thread but turn to previous page 132 and go down to approx 1/4 of the page.funny but kind of vulgar....<p><br><i>Modified by TALBOT-HORIZON at 3:30 PM 5/15/2007</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by TALBOT-HORIZON at 3:31 PM 5/15/2007</i>

CosworthKid
05-15-2007, 03:58 PM
That CG makes it look really good, lets hope when we see the production car again it will be looking a lot like that!

Vincenzo
05-30-2007, 09:58 AM
<A HREF="http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/383749/AZLaguna14.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.forum-auto.com/m...4.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/383749/AZLaguna15.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.forum-auto.com/m...5.jpg</A><p>from Forum-auto <p><br><i>Modified by Vincenzo at 10:27 AM 5/30/2007</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DSC-OFF at 10:38 AM 5/31/2007</i>

the1
05-30-2007, 10:19 AM
OMG! What an abomination. This makes the Pontiac Aztec look tame.

Horizon
05-30-2007, 10:23 AM
i'll still wait until official pics are released and until i see it for real to make a judgement but its true that it looks a bit bland to me,at least the aztec was anything but bland.<br>maybe other colours and angles will make it look better...i really,really hope so....<p>front pic:<p><A HREF="http://www.forum-auto.com/marques/renault/sujet1033-5285.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forum-auto.com/marq...5.htm</A><p>wasnt impressed by the estate in previous spy pics but i now think it looks better than the sedan.funny how the door handles follow the crease downward and therefore are not on the same level.<br>i quite like the front though,it retains a lot of renault DNA and reminds me of plenty of past renaults all at once.<br>the back "bumper" is MASSIVE!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by TALBOT-HORIZON at 10:45 AM 5/30/2007</i>

jairo
05-30-2007, 10:34 AM
Why Renault! Why! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

Horizon
05-30-2007, 11:09 AM
yep,same feeling here....just clinging to the hope that official pics will somehow make me feel different.i could grow to like it,who knows,that happened before.

SV
05-30-2007, 11:14 AM
i actually like it. the taillights are odd, but they have that funkiness that renault seems to be abandoning lately; i like the curvy character line that wraps around the whole car, too. the front is pretty much as expected, looks good (though i'll reserve final judgement for some pics of lighter-colored cars, can't make out the details in black)...too bad they couldn't have kept it closer to the fluence concept though, god that was a beautiful car...

Ascariss
05-30-2007, 11:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OMG! What an abomination. This makes the Pontiac Aztec look tame.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>not really, this is fine, looks quite good compared to some other shots. and should look better in press pics. the rear lights could have been extended a bit more lower. still I like it.

ROBonCARS
05-30-2007, 11:39 AM
I also quite like it, the front especially - Renault need a change as the current front end themes are getting a bit boring. Just like the way Fords design theme change was so good with the new Mondeo. The rear does look quite strange but that HUGE rear bumper will be great if you have a prang as you just need a new bumper. Its happening more and more recently, eg Citroen C1.. IT repair bills are kept down then insurance groups are cheaper. Its the same with the front end bonnet shut like being so high. Im glad the rear has lost the big lump on top of the tailgate that the old model had.