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Reppu
01-10-2006, 05:27 AM
Today, R26 has taken it's first kilometers in Jerez. The new Toyota has made some laps as well. I've thought that it would be a good idea to have a thread about the cars for the new season, to:<br>- post pics as they appear (some members have a sixth sense finding pics...but not me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> ) <br>- discuss the looks of the new season cars, and their chances.

Superfresa
01-10-2006, 04:47 PM
V8 for 2006... Cant get over it. In 2008 It'll be 6 cylinders then in 2010 It'll be 4 cylinders, then they will swop to hybrid engines and then to the worlds most aerodinamic electric lawn mowers. None the less, despite my skepticism about the new rules, I expect a very interesting season. And as to who will dominate this year, at this point, is anyone's guess since all engines are new.

Cozz
01-14-2006, 05:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">V8 for 2006... Cant get over it. In 2008 It'll be 6 cylinders then in 2010 It'll be 4 cylinders, then they will swop to hybrid engines and then to the worlds most aerodinamic electric lawn mowers. None the less, despite my skepticism about the new rules, I expect a very interesting season. And as to who will dominate this year, at this point, is anyone's guess since all engines are new.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I said it was between McLaren and Renault early last year even before March. I was right. I'm now looking at who will be on top for 2006.<p>Though, the V8 thing was always on the cards. Remember, if if gets close to 1000HP then the motor needs to get smaller. If the car produces X amount of down force then the wings will get smaller, etc.

Reppu
01-15-2006, 01:57 AM
In my opinion, what F1 needs to regain some of the lost beauty is to restrict the brakes somehow. maybe banning carbon brakes or something. With cars that go to 250 to 100km/h in barely 50 meters, it is very difficult to see more that two or three overtakings per race. If that distance got triplicated, things would be so much different. They always reduce power and downforce, but never do a thing about braking power. I wonder why, i don't think they're so silly to not have noticed it.

Cozz
01-15-2006, 07:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In my opinion, what F1 needs to regain some of the lost beauty is to restrict the brakes somehow. maybe banning carbon brakes or something. With cars that go to 250 to 100km/h in barely 50 meters, it is very difficult to see more that two or three overtakings per race. If that distance got triplicated, things would be so much different. They always reduce power and downforce, but never do a thing about braking power. I wonder why, i don't think they're so silly to not have noticed it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think breaking is very important. I don't feel the need to reduce it in any way for the pure fact of safty.<p>If passing is what you want then have a closer look at the electronics that help the driver. I would ban most of electronics except things like rev limiter. And put back stick shifting trannies.

Reppu
01-16-2006, 12:11 AM
And does not grip regard safety as well? But still they reduce spoilers size from time to time. I'd ban carbon brakes, pilots would simply brake a lot sooner thus allowing more overtakings. Have you seen that small Villeneuve Vs. Arnoux battle video? I wish we could see things like that in F1 again.<p>Is there any pic of the new McLaren available?. I've heard they have returned to the classic orange colours.

Cozz
01-16-2006, 08:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And does not grip regard safety as well? But still they reduce spoilers size from time to time. I'd ban carbon brakes, pilots would simply brake a lot sooner thus allowing more overtakings. Have you seen that small Villeneuve Vs. Arnoux battle video? I wish we could see things like that in F1 again.<p>Is there any pic of the new McLaren available?. I've heard they have returned to the classic orange colours.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The problem with other brakes is they are known to "exploid" if it gets too hot. Carbon is the only thing that can heat up to not exploid, but they will catch on fire.<p>The MP4-21 is a joke for what I heard. Too many vibration issues with the motor and chassis. They had a lot of V8 engine failures testing with the MP4-20 with a V8. The MP4-21 isn't any better. McLaren said it was because of the mounting points on the chassis. But I fully think it's the motor itself. It's going to be one of the smallest/lightest engines on the field. But it's also the very fragile.<p>The orange livery from Mclaren is nothing new. They used orange when they are changing sponcers between seasons. They also used orange in the Can-Am days and Bruce McLaren actually founded McLaren in orange livery.<p>MP4-20 with MP4-21 front and rear wings, rear diffuser and some odd gizmos... odd looking shark fin after the engine, infront of the rear wing. It looks to be bolted to the engine cover/breather.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html/images/f1/mclaren/06/test/Team%20McLaren%20Mercedes%20MP4-20%20in%20orange%20livery.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html/images/f1/mclaren/06/test/Team%20McLaren%20Mercedes%20MP4-20%20in%20orange%20livery%20front.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

RikfromBelgium
01-16-2006, 02:09 PM
pedro de la rosa fears new ferrari V8. It's more reliable and more powerfull than the Mclaren -engine.<br>He was driving behind it with an unlimited V10, and it still was faster. He says he can't deny that Mclaren is behind ferrari ( and Honda), but he thinks the will partially catch up before the start of the season. On the other hand Kimi and JP will lose 15 testingdays since the new car won't be available untill the end of januari.<br>Positive news is that the windtunnel-results seem promising.<br>Formula 1 magazine<p>and some pictures of the F2006<br><IMG SRC="http://formule1-sanoma.fastxs.net/imgupload/480/52169.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://formule1-sanoma.fastxs.net/imgupload/480/52170.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://formule1-sanoma.fastxs.net/imgupload/480/52172.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://formule1-sanoma.fastxs.net/imgupload/480/52173.jpg" BORDER="0">autoweek.nl

Reppu
01-17-2006, 12:21 AM
Hey Rik, where have you been?<p>I love the MP4-21, it's beautiful. The Ferrari does not look so good, but that does not really matter, does it?<br>By the way, will McL release a MP5 ever <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> ?

RikfromBelgium
01-17-2006, 01:11 AM
exams, busy busy busy

RikfromBelgium
01-17-2006, 04:31 AM
<IMG SRC="http://quickshots.goelz.com/uploaded/QP005029_zoom.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://quickshots.goelz.com/uploaded/QP005031_zoom.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://quickshots.goelz.com/uploaded/QP005034_zoom.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://quickshots.goelz.com/uploaded/QP005038_zoom.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Fresh start. <p>From zero up to race speed in 262 days. <br>Munich. It was set in concrete as the day dawned on 22nd June 2005: <br>BMW would for the first time be running its own team in the FIA Formula One World Championship, starting the very next season - 2006. On the afternoon of that same day in June, the Board of Management's decision was announced to the public at large. It was the starting signal for the race before the race: with just 262 days to go, the combined pulling power of a 600-strong team had to get things moving from standstill up to race speed. <br>On 12th March 2006 in Bahrain, the BMW Sauber F1 Team will launch its first season with the BMW Sauber F1.06, driven by Nick Heidfeld and Jacques Villeneuve. <p>As Professor Burkhard G¬Ěschel, BMW Board Member for Development and Purchasing, points out: "This project represents a strong, long-term commitment to Formula One on BMW's part. For the BMW Group, Formula One acts as a high-tech laboratory and technology accelerator. <p>This synergistic effect has already had a very positive impact in our six years as an engine partner. But you can't win races with an engine alone, which is why we wanted to be involved in all the success factors. In keeping with that, we have now taken on overall responsibility. Formula One seems tailor-made for BMW's brand values, and there's no other sporting event that generates so much attention on such a regular basis worldwide. In 2006 we will primarily <br>be building up experience. In 2005 Sauber came eighth in the Constructors' World Championship. That is our starting point, and I can see plenty of upside potential." <p>"To set up a new team is a huge challenge", says Professor Mario Theissen, who as BMW Motorsport Director oversees all of BMW's racing involvements. "Our concept includes boosting staff numbers, expanding the facility in Hinwil, an intensive development programme and the networking of all activities in Munich and Hinwil. The division of labour is as follows: Munich is in charge of the powertrain and electronics, Hinwil is responsible for the chassis and race deployment. We will be recruiting more than 100 new staff in Switzerland. <br>The key priorities will be to convert the wind tunnel from single to three-shift operation as well as setting up an autonomous test team. The Hinwil wind tunnel is outstandingly good. Overall, the factory is good but not yet big enough. The extension plans, which include new offices as well as development and production facilities, have been drawn up and we expect planning permission to come through in spring of 2006. All measures will be fully implemented by the end of 2007. The 2006 season will be a year of development. That also applies to the technical package, whose concept was already largely established in Munich and Hinwil before the <br>takeover. In 2006 we aim to grow together and maximise our potential." <p>After 13 years as a team principal in Formula One, Peter Sauber has stepped back from the operational side of the business. Now 62, he will act as advisor to the new team. "I was delighted that Sauber is to remain part of the team name. I shall be keeping a close eye on the progress of the BMW Sauber F1 Team. I'm especially pleased for the staff in Hinwil, who will now have the opportunity to demonstrate their skills with the support of their colleagues from BMW." <p>Two adoptive Swiss in the cockpit. <br>They've long known each other, they've both raced for Sauber before, <br>they both live in Switzerland - but they've never before been team-mates. Drivers Nick Heidfeld and Jacques Villeneuve can look back on a combined tally of 250 grands prix. <br>Heidfeld (2 made his Formula One debut at the start of the 2000 season and competed for the Swiss racing team from 2001 to 2003. His best results so far are the two second places he claimed for the BMW WilliamsF1 Team in the 2005 season. He also took a pole position in the same year. The man from M¬Ěnchengladbach, whose daughter - and first child - was born in July 2005, has 98 race starts under his belt. <p>"I'm really looking forward to the new season and the new team, many of whom I already know from years past", says Heidfeld. "Besides, I can get to Hinwil in 15 minutes by car, which is a real advantage. It's natural for a racing driver to be impatient when it comes to achieving success, but we need to be realistic. For me the most important thing is that we're moving in the right direction. We have to work hard and make steady progress." <br>No other driver in Formula One has risen to World Champion status as rapidly as Jacques Villeneuve. In 1996, his debut year, the Canadian already finished as runner-up behind his then Williams-Renault team-mate Damon Hill. <p>Then in 1997 he beat Michael Schumacher to the title for Williams-Renault. In 152 grands prix he has taken eleven victories and claimed pole 13 times. After five years with the BAR team, it seemed his F1 career was over in 2003. But then he was given the chance to compete in the final three races of season 2004 for Renault. In 2005, the son of the famous Ferrari driver Gilles Villeneuve was signed up by Sauber. <p>"Building up a new team is a very complex task", says Villeneuve looking ahead to 2006. "I've already been through it in the past. But I think we've got a number of good prerequisites coming together here. I'll be doing my very best to help the BMW Sauber F1 Team achieve success." <p>New regulations. <br>The most radical technical changes for 2006 affect the engines: <br>Formula One is switching from three-litre V10 engines to V8 units with <br>2.4 litres' displacement. The rules governing the new engines are far more tightly regulated and the scope for engineers has shrunk. The switch to the more compact V8 powerplants also brings with it noticeable modifications to the chassis. Among other changes, the cars will feature pared-down sidepods as the radiators can now be designed smaller <br>than before. Racing fans can again look forward to the spectacle of tyre changing in the pits, which has the go-ahead again as of 2006. The qualifying format is also new: for the 2006 World Championship, grid positions will be determined in a shootout. From 14.00 to 15.00 hrs on Saturday, the fast laps will be driven in three time sections, with the slowest drivers in the first two 15-minute periods taking no further part in qualifying, leaving the remaining drivers to compete for the best starting positions in the final session.<p>Press of BMW Group

Cozz
01-17-2006, 06:05 AM
<IMG SRC="http://formule1-sanoma.fastxs.net/imgupload/480/52169.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>WOW, McLAren MP4-20 front and rear wings. Very nice.<p>Ferrari is uses the duck nose on it's cars. Me thinks McLaren will try it out for the first time.<p>PS. Ferrari was never faster than PDR in Jerez. PDR owned the fastest lap time at Jerez for at least a week.

RikfromBelgium
01-17-2006, 06:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://formule1-sanoma.fastxs.net/imgupload/480/52169.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>WOW, McLAren MP4-20 front and rear wings. Very nice.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>euh, those are clearly inspired from earlier Ferrari F1 cars<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>PS. Ferrari was never faster than PDR in Jerez. PDR owned the fastest lap time at Jerez for at least a week.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>so now we're not even accepting what PDR said himself?

Cozz
01-17-2006, 06:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>so now we're not even accepting what PDR said himself?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Testing is testing and people talk just to talk. The fact is the McLaren MP4-20 hybrid with the V10 was the fastest car in Jerez in alomst every testing day and gained the fastest time thoughout the whole week.<p>Now, I do belive that the new V8 has a bunch of problems. I heard that Mercedes scrapped the motor and is building a new one. It's completly different in every aspect. The new motor will be out very shortly this week or next week. <p>But remember that Toyota is on the third generation of V8's. They were testing as early as August last year and had a whole crap load of problems with it. Mostly vibration issues, something Mercedes is said of having as well. hmmm... Now Mercedes is on it's 3rd generation motor.<p>And I'll already pick one of the front runners for 2006, it's Toyota. I had a feeling about them testing last year.<p>

Cozz
01-17-2006, 06:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>euh, those are clearly inspired from earlier Ferrari F1 cars<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, Mclaren.

RikfromBelgium
01-17-2006, 07:52 AM
talk isn't just talk when it's actually the testdriver himself, is it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and read my answer again, you appear to have missed the FERRARI part

Cozz
01-17-2006, 08:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>and read my answer again, you appear to have missed the FERRARI part</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What do you mean? Hopefully Ferrari has fixed their lack of mechanical grip on longer turns for 2006. I love it every time someone points out that it was BStone's fault.<p>I will say that I feel Ferrari will be on top three for 2006 so far but they won't win the championship. You have Massa as first year. 95% of drivers never do much good in their first year. Then you have MS, he's getting a bit old and I don't think he do it by himself in 2006.

RikfromBelgium
01-18-2006, 06:32 AM
I'm sure you're the correct source to know if it was Bridgestone or mechanical grip <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>let's see if MB can actually make an engine that can keep up for more than half a race

Reppu
01-18-2006, 08:14 AM
Rik, you're alive and kickin' indeed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Here's the 26<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.marca.es/motor2006/mundial_f1/virtualfoto/alonso_jerez_R26_2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>

Chicho
01-23-2006, 05:23 PM
Ferrari will have new colours:<p><br><A HREF="http://www.italiaspeed.com/2006/motorsport/f1/01/martini_rossi/martini.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.italiaspeed.com/200....html</A><br><A HREF="http://www.italiaspeed.com/2006/motorsport/f1/01/martini_rossi/2301.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.italiaspeed.com/200....html</A>

bregant
01-24-2006, 05:58 AM
Official pictures and presentation of the new Ferrari 1 with sponsor too:<p><A HREF="http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=526" TARGET="_blank">http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=526</A><p>It's name is 248 F1<p>bye<br>giovanni

RikfromBelgium
01-26-2006, 03:44 PM
sh** is hitting the fan at Mclaren<br>a short overview of the problems<p>- testresults are not that good, obly keepibg up with competition sporadicly<br>- after initial problems with the V8, Montoya stated he is not happy with the performance of the new engine<br>- reliability is still an issue, at below freezing-point outside temperatures, Kimi still overheated his engine during tests.<br>- Montoya now uses a limited V8, because it's so fragile<br>- rumours start that the situation is so bad, MB are building a new engine<br>- people are leaving the team: Montoya stated he will not stay at all cost, Kimi is approached by toyota and ferrari<br>- designteam is leaving, after adrian newey rumours are that peter podromou ( head of dynamics ) will also join the Red Bull team<br>- Nicolas Tombazis would also be leaving the team, in favour of Ferrari<p><br>source; formula1.info

Cozz
01-26-2006, 05:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sh** is hitting the fan at Mclaren<br>a short overview of the problems<p>- testresults are not that good, obly keepibg up with competition sporadicly<br>- after initial problems with the V8, Montoya stated he is not happy with the performance of the new engine<br>- reliability is still an issue, at below freezing-point outside temperatures, Kimi still overheated his engine during tests.<br>- Montoya now uses a limited V8, because it's so fragile<br>- rumours start that the situation is so bad, MB are building a new engine<br>- people are leaving the team: Montoya stated he will not stay at all cost, Kimi is approached by toyota and ferrari<br>- designteam is leaving, after adrian newey rumours are that peter podromou ( head of dynamics ) will also join the Red Bull team<br>- Nicolas Tombazis would also be leaving the team, in favour of Ferrari<p><br>source; formula1.info</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Newey was planned to leave McLaren 2 years ago. Remember that Jaguar stuff? Dennis built a new team a year ago. It was an agreement 1 year ago that Newey wanted to go to RedBull.<p>KR was ALWAYS approached by other teams. This is new news to you? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Montoya is pissed because McLaren won't sign anything with him untill they know what is going on with Kimi. Montoya is basicly a back up to McLaren right now. If KR stays then Montoya is out.<p>Montoya never said anything bad about the motor. Kimi never overheated the motor. There was a small fire on the right bank of the motor but not from the motor itself. It is believed to be from the tranny. Today, again it happend oil drip from the drive train but not from the motor. A new carbon fibre gearbox is being used, I'm not impressed.<p>But yes, the thing is slow. Funny thing is there trap speed is actually pretty good. Very slow into corners though. I think it's because the they are restricting the runs, it's the only chassis they have. A second should be ready in a 4 or 5 days.

RikfromBelgium
01-27-2006, 10:55 AM
still, you didn't say anything about half the team leaving or looking for a new team. Things are bad at Mclaren, the car isn't fast, drivers aren't happy, designers aren't happy,... and they have to win the championship??? yeah right<p>and to add, some more bad news comming from the Mclaren-side.<p>Kimi isn't happy at all with the new car, pointing out that much works needs to be done and that the main problem is the engine. It's just not fast enough. He was very clear that that was the big issue. In the last test, the only one slower was some new guy called Kubica. Rumours about the reliability also keep surfacing. <p>source AMS

velsatis
01-27-2006, 11:12 AM
<B>Rik</B> - Any news on what BMW is doing ? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-27-2006, 11:34 AM
stop baiting

RikfromBelgium
01-27-2006, 01:08 PM
not overheating for one

Cozz
01-27-2006, 07:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">still, you didn't say anything about half the team leaving or looking for a new team.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would say something if it was true. McLaren denied those rumors today.<p>So now, why don't you fix your post and add that you were wrong.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Things are bad at Mclaren, the car isn't fast, drivers aren't happy, designers aren't happy,... and they have to win the championship??? yeah right</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You listen to the wrong people. I know you hate Mclaren/Mercedes till your death. I can give you the facts but you rather listen to rumors as long as it's agianst Mercedes.<p>Yeah, the car isn't fast but if you actually watched it in Jerez, you would see Mcalren running wet weather tyres for majority of the day. Only one or two others did it first the first hour or so including BMW and Ferrari(?)<p>Next, you said the engine overheated. That's BS. They are having issues with the gearbox. Bunch of oil issues not related to the motor.<p>You would also see Ferrari isn't that fast in the new chassis. Massa is using the old one with the new V8. Problem is the 2004 chassis doesn't even pass 2006 specs. But the slow one MS is using does.<p>It's just testing. Relax<p>

Reppu
01-28-2006, 12:42 AM
Arguing now is pointless. Of course teams have problems.....that's why testing is done. Let's wait until the first race and THEN we will know best. Myself, i think McL will be fighting to win races all the season.

velsatis
01-28-2006, 09:05 AM
Barcelona, Jan 26, 2006 <br>Kimi's debut with the car was the fourth day of running with the MP4-21, and the Finn added over 300km to the car as he completed 65 laps at the Spanish circuit. His quickest time of the day, a 1m17.739, put Kimi in twelfth place on the timesheets. <br>The cold and foggy weather conditions continued, with track temperatures not reaching above zero until after 09:00, and as a result following an installation lap shortly after 09:00 the Finn spent just under two hours in the garage before returning to the track at 10:52. Following another short run of 4 laps, Kimi began more longer stints. A minor oil leak in the gearbox was detected early afternoon, which was repaired by the test team and Kimi returned to the track to continue his programme. <p>Pedro de la Rosa returned to testing duties at the Circuit de Catalunya, following his shakedown with MP4-21 on Monday of this week. Pedro was driving the interim MP4-20, and his work continued to focus on Michelin tyre evaluation. He covered 47 laps and 220km during the day, setting a time of 1m18.256. During the course of the afternoon, the engine in Pedro's car was changed, as it had reached the end of its lifecycle. <p>KIMI RAIKKONEN <p>"It is really good to be back testing and it is great to see what the team have done with the new car. Because it was my first day in the MP4-21, most of the time was spent with me getting used to it and then starting to look at different set-ups. My first impression of the car is positive, but I will need more track time to find out how great the potential really is. Also we could not run all morning because of the cold weather, but even so we put in a good number of laps and drove over 300km." <p>Kimi and Pedro will continue at the Circuit de Catalunya tomorrow, the final day of the test in Barcelona for the team.<br><IMG SRC="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/vel_satis/f1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/vel_satis/f12.jpg" BORDER="0">

Reppu
01-29-2006, 01:00 AM
There's one side mirror missing in the second pic ???

Cozz
01-29-2006, 06:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's one side mirror missing in the second pic ???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Me thinks it was on Tuesday with JPM.<p>I'm looking more into that front camber on the tire. That's a lot of tilt. The car is also nose heavy. I wonder if they have a problem with front grip.

Superfresa
01-29-2006, 08:05 AM
Woah, they are orange now? Or is it just whilst testing?

Cozz
01-29-2006, 10:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Woah, they are orange now? Or is it just whilst testing?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just only testing but when they are working between sponsors. The orange is actually the first color from Mclaren when Bruce Mclaren made the team. Orange was also the color they used when Mclaren raced in the Can-Am days. <p>The end of the sponsor deal is at the last race of the year. The beginning of the contract is the first race. This means Mcalren is working between sponsors.

Reppu
01-30-2006, 12:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm looking more into that front camber on the tire. That's a lot of tilt. The car is also nose heavy. I wonder if they have a problem with front grip.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>We are not used to hear such things from you Cozz <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> . Good thing i guess. have you noticed the side horns? They are different than last year.

Naga Royal Guard
02-02-2006, 11:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just only testing but when they are working between sponsors. The orange is actually the first color from Mclaren when Bruce Mclaren made the team. Orange was also the color they used when Mclaren raced in the Can-Am days. <p>The end of the sponsor deal is at the last race of the year. The beginning of the contract is the first race. This means Mcalren is working between sponsors.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>papaya

Soobyfreak
02-02-2006, 03:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Woah, they are orange now? Or is it just whilst testing?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they might be orange now because they dropped West as their main smponsor. west's colors appear to be black and gray. i also heard a roumor a few months ago that MB and Mclaren are splitting in 08 iss this true

Cozz
02-02-2006, 07:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Soobyfreak</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>they might be orange now because they dropped West as their main smponsor. west's colors appear to be black and gray. i also heard a roumor a few months ago that MB and Mclaren are splitting in 08 iss this true</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, it isn't true infact I have word that Mercedes wants to buy more/all of McLaren. I also heard that they will start on the P8 again.<p>The rumor started when the change of CEO's was in order. Cordes was the guy who pulled the plug of any more co-production cars with MB and McLaren.<p>I will tell you this, any future dealings will be anounced very soon with MB and McLaren. Either they will anounce they will work closer or MB will split ways with McLaren.

laurensbenz
02-12-2006, 06:37 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.mclaren.com/interactive/photo-gallery/mp4-21/MP4-21_Side-s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.mclaren.com/interactive/photo-gallery/mp4-21/MP4-21_ThreeQuarter-s.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><A HREF="http://www.mclaren.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mclaren.com</A> for bigger pics

RikfromBelgium
02-12-2006, 09:12 AM
looks a bit like a Midland<p><IMG SRC="http://www.midlandf1.com/images/galleries/10/126713__med.jpg" BORDER="0">

Cozz
02-12-2006, 01:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks a bit like a Midland<p><IMG SRC="http://www.midlandf1.com/images/galleries/10/126713__med.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You should very well know that the silver and black is one of McLaren's signatures. Thus the MF1 looks like the MP4-21.

Reppu
02-13-2006, 12:18 AM
McL is introducing red here and there to get us used to next year's shift to Vodafone. I like the mirror-finish also, that's very very cool, but in race it will get dirty. Looks like McL and Renault are the trend setters right now, mostly the Renault (even McL went for a thinner nose.....calm down Cozz <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> )

Cozz
02-13-2006, 05:47 AM
The nose is a slight copy of the MP4-18. But followed with 2006 regulations such as wing height.<p>Looks like they have also fixed the front grip issue. Some one went to watch them during testing in Jerez and he said that the Macs were so slow on turns that the Renaults didn't even have to wait for the straights to pass them.<p>More suspension components coming up this week. Also two MP4-21's at hand. One will have the livery on it. Me thinks JPM will drive it first. KR is always the last to testing anything because he's the first to always break it.