PDA

View Full Version : Formula 1 2005 Season Wrap-Up Review


DSC-OFF
10-21-2005, 09:30 PM
<IMG SRC="http://image34.webshots.com/35/7/68/48/238276848YvVXuu_ph.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Well gentlemen, its over........for me its a jar-full of emptiness till March. I want to know what you guys think<p>Driver of the year (see poll)<br>Most improved team<br>Most grossly overpaid driver<br>Best pass<br>Most improved team<br>Best team<br>Best car<br>Best engine<br>Best crash<br>Best circuit<br>Best 1st lap, 1st turn<br>Biggest dissapointment<br>Biggest surprise<br>Best team manager<br>Who youre most glad is retiring<br>Stupidest thing a driver has done<br>What youre looking forward to for 2006<br> <br>

zwei Biere bitte
10-21-2005, 10:03 PM
<br><b>Driver of the year </b><br>Kimi Raikonnen... he had tremendous drives at almost all the races. Shame his car wasn't always up to the task. <p><b>Most improved team</b><br>I say Toyota. They did a fantasitc job this year. <p><b>Most grossly overpaid driver</b><br>Micheal Schumacher. He gets paid $80 million yet doesn't win any races (I don't count Indy as a true race)<p><b>Best pass</b><br>Kimi passing Fisi at Suzuka I think on the last lap. <p><b>Best team</b><br>Mclaren. While Renault did win, Fisi and Alonso never really worked as a "team" toghether. That was the opposite with McLaren, with Kimi and Juan working as a team with each other. <p><B>Best car</b><br>Tough one. Renault had the reliability, McLaren had the speed. So I guess Renault takes this one.<p><b>Biggest dissapointment</b><br>Who else rather than Mr. Michael Schumacher and the whole Ferrari team. They have the biggest budget but never got a real win the entire season.<p><b>Biggest surprise</b><br>In a good way, Red Bull and Christian Klein. David was so-so. In a bad way, BAR... they did terrible this year. <p><b>What youre looking forward to for 2006</b><br>Tire changes once again, new BMW team, new Honda team, and Red Bull Junior. Not looking forward to V8s and Max Mosley and Bernie Eccelstone. <br>

Superfresa
10-21-2005, 10:23 PM
I pretty much agree with Zwei, but I'd add that I'm looking forward to see what Mark Webber can do with a better car (if he gets better luck next year) and I'm also looking forward to how things will develop this year with Juan Pablo Montoya. But as said, pity about the V8s and the head people at F1. The biggest dissapointment, I'd say, BMW-Williams. They need to be in the fight and I wanted it to be a good one this year between renault, Mclaren and BMW. But they didn't make it. Hope williams crawls back into the fight next year even w/o BMW. but pity bmw wasn't up to expectations this year.<p>and geez, Toyota is improving massively!

MitzXJ220
10-22-2005, 07:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd add that I'm looking forward to see what Mark Webber can do with a better car </TD></TR></TABLE><p>He was impressive at Jaguar, he single handily raked in the points in 2003, bar 1 point scored by the 'Flying Giraffe' Justin Wilson. I rate him highly after Kimi and Fernando.<p>I'm sure Williams will start to win again at some point - hopefully with the new Cossie.

Cozz
10-22-2005, 03:00 PM
Well, if anyone remembers the thread before of the season then you'll remember that I said it was going to be Renault vs. McLaren.<p>The best is Kimi by far. Did anyone see the last 15 laps in Japan? He drove like a mad man. Over a second a lap faster than GF. Then he passes him (best pass of the year BTW) on the last lap....NICE!<p>I'm going to keep my eyes out on new info. The V8's are in but BMW has yet to test them...odd.

Reppu
10-23-2005, 01:48 AM
I just can't believe the small credit Alonso is receiving. He's the champion, for god's sake!. It almost looks like it stole the title or something!.<p>In my opinion, Alonso was the fastest when it was needed, and the most intelligent when it was needed too. How many cars did Raikkonen brake? How many mistakes did he commit? And then, how many Alonso? Everybody says Raikkonen was faster, but having the fastest car that's not that special. How many races would have him won driving for Renault and against the McLaren team? Alonso won 7 races, the same than the supposedly 'best driver of the year', but with a slower car. Doesn't that mean something? Who won the last race of the season, when the pressure of the title was gone and there was no need to be conservative?<p>For me the Alonso-Raikkonen comparison is similar that the one between Renault and McLaren: Raikkonen may be fast, but very unreliable. Alonso is as fast, but more intelligent and VERY reliable. He has made the most effective driving of all the contenders. He hardly makes a mistake, but he has demonstrated that he can be as spectacular as anyone: just look the overtake to Schumacher in Japan, in the fastest corner of the whole championship. Even Schumacher said he couldn't believe it when he did it.<p>Well, whatever. History only remembers the champions. I'm sorry if i offended any Raikkonen fan, but i get very angry everytime Alonso is neglected the merit he deserves. Just to end: Ron Dennis should use some fair play and humility instead of showing off how jealous he is.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Reppu at 10:54 AM 10/23/2005</i>

scorpio14
10-23-2005, 02:30 AM
Most Improved Team - Definetily Toyota<br>Best Team - Toyota (IMO) <br>Best Car - Merc and Renault<br>Biggest Dissapointment - Ferrari (in terms of team, but im glad they didnt repeat last year coz that was boring) and American GP (in terms of event where only 7 cars ran the race... very annoying too and if MS didnt win that i think his season coulda been worse)<br>Biggest Surprise - Toyota<br>What im lookin forward to for 2006 - Toyota's performance (hopefully it gets even better)

Cozz
10-23-2005, 06:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just can't believe the small credit Alonso is receiving. He's the champion, for god's sake!. It almost looks like it stole the title or something!.<p>In my opinion, Alonso was the fastest when it was needed, and the most intelligent when it was needed too. How many cars did Raikkonen brake? How many mistakes did he commit? And then, how many Alonso? Everybody says Raikkonen was faster, but having the fastest car that's not that special. How many races would have him won driving for Renault and against the McLaren team? Alonso won 7 races, the same than the supposedly 'best driver of the year', but with a slower car. Doesn't that mean something? Who won the last race of the season, when the pressure of the title was gone and there was no need to be conservative?<p>For me the Alonso-Raikkonen comparison is similar that the one between Renault and McLaren: Raikkonen may be fast, but very unreliable. Alonso is as fast, but more intelligent and VERY reliable. He has made the most effective driving of all the contenders. He hardly makes a mistake, but he has demonstrated that he can be as spectacular as anyone: just look the overtake to Schumacher in Japan, in the fastest corner of the whole championship. Even Schumacher said he couldn't believe it when he did it.<p>Well, whatever. History only remembers the champions. I'm sorry if i offended any Raikkonen fan, but i get very angry everytime Alonso is neglected the merit he deserves. Just to end: Ron Dennis should use some fair play and humility instead of showing off how jealous he is.<p><br><i>Modified by Reppu at 10:54 AM 10/23/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Alonso intelligent? um...no. His mistake in Canada cost him the win. AND, it was the one of the few times Alonso was under pressure. See, Alonso didn't need to push half of the year because of the gain he had. Kimi was pushing like a mad man from the first race trying to catch up.<p>Mclaren DNF's can be mostly blames on the their carbon fibre gearbox. It had a bunch of hydro problems and breaking shafts. But it's the first of it's kind on the field.<p>

Cozz
10-23-2005, 06:33 AM
Also, you can take some bets that McLaren will be on top agian next year.<p>But I don't know about Renault. Renault and BMW have yet to test their V8's. MB, Toyota, Ferrari, Cosworth and Honda are all making new specs as of right now and will have newer versions in December.<p>If I have to choose I will say McLaren will be the team to beat next year. I think Ferrari will come strong (maybe second) and Renault (3rd) as well.

Naga Royal Guard
10-23-2005, 08:14 AM
can someone post the final scores, thanks

rman5001
10-23-2005, 09:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Alonso intelligent? um...no. His mistake in Canada cost him the win. AND, it was the one of the few times Alonso was under pressure. See, Alonso didn't need to push half of the year because of the gain he had. Kimi was pushing like a mad man from the first race trying to catch up.<p>Mclaren DNF's can be mostly blames on the their carbon fibre gearbox. It had a bunch of hydro problems and breaking shafts. But it's the first of it's kind on the field.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Alonso is the youngest world champion. No matter how much skill you have you can't acheive such a feat without having some modicum of intelligence. He held of Schumacher at Imola and managed to pull fast laps in qualifying when he needed it. <p>Don't forget that while the McLaren wasn't the best car, it certainly was the fastest. Look at the times that the number 3 drivers were able to pull in practice. That coupled with the fact that Kimi was always behind the 8-ball meant that Kimi always had to charge and take risks which flatter this driving and made his driving look more spectacular. Alonso never really was in a position where it would have been smart for him to push that hard. If the championship was still up for grabs (and he had a big lead) there was no way he would have pulled that AMAZINGLY sick move on Schumacher at 130R which was far and away the best pass of the year. How many other moves would Alonso tried if HE was behind the 8-ball?<p>Finally Kimi was faster than Montoya, but not by much. Alonso dominated his teamate who isn't a slouch. <p>In any case it was good to see a changing of the gaurd this year. Hopefully, if Kimi can avoid <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> this year is the start of new rivalry that will last the next 10 years.

rman5001
10-23-2005, 09:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><b>Driver of the year </b><p><b>Most grossly overpaid driver</b><br>Micheal Schumacher. He gets paid $80 million yet doesn't win any races (I don't count Indy as a true race)<p><b>Best pass</b><br>Kimi passing Fisi at Suzuka I think on the last lap. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>While Kimi's was great and on the last lap, it was in a "passing zone" Alonso's pass on Schumacher at 130R was in a place where drivers have to grit their teeth just to take the corner. To pass at that spot is something you only see in video games. The ITV commentators were flat out speechless for at least 10 seconds. I haven't seen a pass like that since Villeneuve passed Schumacher at Estoril in 1997.<p>Most overpaid driver... Ralf Schumacher. He's getting paid far more than his teamate with (the last 2 races notwithstanding) fewer results.

zwei Biere bitte
10-23-2005, 10:03 AM
Drivers<p>1 F. Alonso Renault Michelin 133<br>2 K. Rikknen McLaren Michelin 112<br>3 M. Schumacher Ferrari Bridgestone 62<br>4 JP. Montoya McLaren Michelin 60<br>5 G. Fisichella Renault Michelin 58<br>6 R. Schumacher Toyota Michelin 45<br>7 J. Trulli Toyota Michelin 43<br>8 R. Barrichello Ferrari Bridgestone 38<br>9 J. Button BAR Michelin 37<br>10 M. Webber Williams Michelin 36<br>11 N. Heidfeld Williams Michelin 28<br>12 D. Coulthard Red Bull Michelin 24<br>13 F. Massa Sauber Michelin 11<br>14 J. Villeneuve Sauber Michelin 9<br>= C. Klien Red Bull Michelin 9<br>16 T. Monteiro Jordan Bridgestone 7<br>17 A. Wurz McLaren Michelin 6<br>18 N. Karthikeyan Jordan Bridgestone 5<br>19 P. de la Rosa McLaren Michelin 4<br>= C. Albers Minardi Bridgestone 4<br>21 P. Friesacher Minardi Bridgestone 3<br>22 A. Pizzonia Williams Michelin 2<br>23 T. Sato BAR Michelin 1<br>= V. Liuzzi Red Bull Michelin 1<br>- R. Doornbos Minardi Bridgestone 0<p>Constructors'<p>1 Renault Michelin 191<br>2 McLaren Michelin 182<br>3 Ferrari Bridgestone 100<br>4 Toyota Michelin 88<br>5 Williams Michelin 66<br>6 BAR Michelin 38<br>7 Red Bull Michelin 34<br>8 Sauber Michelin 20<br>9 Jordan Bridgestone 12<br>10 Minardi Bridgestone 7

Cozz
10-23-2005, 10:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rman5001</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>While Kimi's was great and on the last lap, it was in a "passing zone" Alonso's pass on Schumacher at 130R was in a place where drivers have to grit their teeth just to take the corner. To pass at that spot is something you only see in video games. The ITV commentators were flat out speechless for at least 10 seconds. I haven't seen a pass like that since Villeneuve passed Schumacher at Estoril in 1997.<p>Most overpaid driver... Ralf Schumacher. He's getting paid far more than his teamate with (the last 2 races notwithstanding) fewer results.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Kimi's pass on GF was the best of they year by far. Alonso on MS was good but MS didn't counter drive against Alonso like GF did to Kimi at 200 MPH+.<p>You can check out alot of sites that rate Kimi's pass was the best of the year. He even got the Speedy award from SPEEDTV as the pass of the year. <p>While the commentators where "speechless" on TV, do you remember what they said when kimi passed GF? Alittle bit of shouting, yelling and a lot of OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!<p>

rman5001
10-23-2005, 05:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Kimi's pass on GF was the best of they year by far. Alonso on MS was good but MS didn't counter drive against Alonso like GF did to Kimi at 200 MPH+.<p>You can check out alot of sites that rate Kimi's pass was the best of the year. He even got the Speedy award from SPEEDTV as the pass of the year. <p>While the commentators where "speechless" on TV, do you remember what they said when kimi passed GF? Alittle bit of shouting, yelling and a lot of OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Kimi's move was a great pass no question. IMO it gets the extra props from people because it was on the last lap, for the win and it capped off an amazing race for KR, probably the best (so far) of his career. Nonetheless, you've seen similar passes in that location before, and will see them again. <p>btw...How could anyone, even MS, "counter-drive" in that corner??? That's the beauty of 130R. Its (as Max Mosely put it) a "big balls" corner the type that don't even exist on most tracks. You pick your line, clench your teeth and go for it. I can't remember anyone passing there. Most drivers wouldn't even pass a backmarker in that spot.<p>The fact that two great passes occured in the same race after the championship was decided just goes to show if you build a good track you get good races. Hopefully if they move the Japanese GP to Fuji (as is rumored) the powers that be will remember this.

Superfresa
10-24-2005, 06:16 AM
Repu is right, alonso did do a terrific job as well. I would say it was awesome when kimi was fighting alonso in semi-equal circumstances...<p>Hope to see in 2006 alonso, kimi, montoya, webber, a few others all fighting harshly for first place.... but it isn't going to happen unluckily. But boy would it be good!

DSC-OFF
10-24-2005, 07:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Alonso intelligent? um...no. His mistake in Canada cost him the win.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>"Umm..I think something broke"........you shunted the right backend into a wall after a backstraight!<p>Nobodys mentioned the biggest disappointment yet..Nurburgring, May 29, 2005..several laps before the win Kimi flat spots his tyre, last lap of the race with him leading the vibrations shatter the suspension and gave Fernando Alonso an early 24th birthday gift. That was a much larger frustration than the USGP debacle (which I stand completely behind the FIA for all their decisions)<br>

Reppu
10-24-2005, 08:14 AM
See? That's why i say Alonso is smarter than Kimi. Kimi should have been conservative, seeing the high pressure Alonso wa putting on him. He would have won 8 points instead of loosing 10, and maybe have made Fernando feel more pressed in the last races. Alonso, besides, did what he had to do: didn't give up, pressed all he could until Kimi's car broke.

Cozz
10-24-2005, 04:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">See? That's why i say Alonso is smarter than Kimi. Kimi should have been conservative, seeing the high pressure Alonso wa putting on him. He would have won 8 points instead of loosing 10, and maybe have made Fernando feel more pressed in the last races. Alonso, besides, did what he had to do: didn't give up, pressed all he could until Kimi's car broke. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>But that's the way Kimi drives. See, Kimi drives like a mad man nomatter what. I love his "everything or nothing" style unlike Alonso.<p>But let's not forget Alonso in Monaco. His tyres were dropping patches at 3/4's of the race yet he held on. He could have easily destroyed a tyre but he decided to stay out until the end. I like drivers that take chances and Alonso has shown me he can take chances too. But Kimi is the ultimate in chances... that and a lot of bad luck. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
10-24-2005, 11:19 PM
You said it: 'drives like a mad man no matter what'. He will have to change that if he really wants to be champion someday. Well, it's clear we both have our preferences. I have to recognize Kimi made a superb driving this year, while he stayed on the track, but Alonso is the fair champion and many people won't accept that. I can't wait to 2006 season to see them fighting face to face (something we didn't see this year), but i'm afraid the RS26 will not be up to the task.

Cozz
10-25-2005, 04:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You said it: 'drives like a mad man no matter what'. He will have to change that if he really wants to be champion someday. Well, it's clear we both have our preferences. I have to recognize Kimi made a superb driving this year, while he stayed on the track, but Alonso is the fair champion and many people won't accept that. I can't wait to 2006 season to see them fighting face to face (something we didn't see this year), but i'm afraid the RS26 will not be up to the task.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No one is saying Alonso isn't "the fair champion". Infact, Alonso is more of a champion than MS was in the last three years IMO. Alonso won it fair and square. He showed that you don't need the fastest car to win but have the most solid car.