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Player4
11-22-2006, 08:13 AM
<B>Motor Trend names Camry Car of the Year</B><br><B><I>Earns 2007 nod because of innovations, broad appeal, magazine says</I></B><p><IMG SRC="http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061121/061121_camry_hmed_12p.hmedium.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><I>The Camry is the one car rival automakers all wish they could build. It offers something for nearly everyone  performance, efficiency and roominess  at a price point most Americans can afford, Motor Trend Editor-in-Chief Angus MacKenzie said.</I><p><I>DETROIT - The redesigned Toyota Camry, the hottest-selling car in America, is the winner of Motor Trend Magazines 2007 Car of the Year award.<p>The award, announced Wednesday, went to all Camry variations, including the hybrid, because the car is innovative yet has a broad appeal, magazine Editor-in-Chief Angus MacKenzie said in a statement.<p>The Camry is the one car rival automakers all wish they could build. It offers something for nearly everyone  performance, efficiency and roominess  at a price point most Americans can afford, MacKenzie said.<p>The Camry beat 26 other models that were totally new or redesigned in the year prior to Jan. 1, 2007, the magazine said.<p>Japanese automakers had 10 cars in the field, with six U.S. models, five from Korea, four from Germany, one from the United Kingdom and one from Sweden.<p>MacKenzie said the Camry won in a very strong field.<p>There have never been more choices available to American car buyers. That is a fact of life in the 21st century, he said.<p>Through October, Toyota sold 350,481 Camrys this year to lead all cars in U.S. sales. The No. 2 car in sales is Toyotas Corolla at 330,995, according to Autodata Corp.<p>Staffers at the magazine evaluated the vehicles on their innovation in engineering, design, safety and technology; their performance and quality; and whether the vehicle delivers value to the consumer.<p>This is the first year the Camry has won the award.<p>Among competitors for Car of the Year were the Chrysler Sebring, Saturn Aura, Nissan Altima, Kia Rondo, Honda Fit, Mercedes-Benz S Class, Volvo C70 T5 and the Volkswagen Rabbit.<p>Last years winner was the Honda Civic. Last month, the magazine named the Mercedes-Benz GL450 its sport utility vehicle of the year.<p> 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.</I><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com</A>

anonms
11-22-2006, 11:52 AM
Oo"... After they picked the GL, I was kinda expecting another luxury car inaccessible to the masses to be picked again. <p>But this is still too shocking nonetheless.

CosworthKid
11-22-2006, 12:47 PM
They even had the Sebring among the candidates..nuff said<p>

evomk8
11-22-2006, 01:31 PM
Both the SUVOTY and this COTY are so ill conceived and laced with ad money bias that the results are not only meaningless but utter garbage.<br>Unfortunately, the media will disseminate and spoonfeed this to the average consumer who will be none the wiser.<br>What has happened to critical thinking induced objective research...???

Mil
11-22-2006, 02:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Both the SUVOTY and this COTY are so ill conceived and laced with ad money bias that the results are not only meaningless but utter garbage.<br>Unfortunately, the media will disseminate and spoonfeed this to the average consumer who will be none the wiser.<br>What has happened to critical thinking induced objective research...??? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am quite annoyed with that to, i hate it when people 'lie' and i know the truth...

Superfresa
11-22-2006, 03:51 PM
I don't see why the Camry couldn't be a COTY. <p>Its not beautiful, not practical, not modern, not innovative, but it gets the job done. It's a car for people who only need a cheap, roomy getarround, and dont think about cars except when they're driving one. It has an enviable Reliability reputation, It looks way better than the Gen V, even though it isn't consistent throughout in its design, and it's trully a good vehicle, if you're into communist style mid sized sedans. Which most people are.<p><br>I think that the car deserves it. I'm not aware what car won in previous years, but if they chose a MB (As I see some people mention in this thread), I dont think it's that bad either. Sure, Its a car most people wont be able to afford, but sometimes, when a lot of work has been done to a premium vehicle - a lot more work, proportionally, than in a Yaris sized car, then it deserves the award anyway. I'd never give a steering rack mounted, 5 seater large SUV (With 2 little seats in the back for short trips - like, to the corner and back) that isn't overwhelmingly capable on or off road, and that costs too much a COTY award, but if they reckon it deserves it, nothing wrong with the fact that it's a MB....

anonms
11-22-2006, 04:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd never give a steering rack mounted, 5 seater large SUV (With 2 little seats in the back for short trips - like, to the corner and back) that isn't overwhelmingly capable on or off road, and that costs too much a COTY award, but if they reckon it deserves it, nothing wrong with the fact that it's a MB....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>See, that's what really irks me about the GL getting SUVOTY...

Nurburgring
11-22-2006, 04:18 PM
I don't know about the COTY award, but I do know that the GL450 shouldnt have been awarded SUVOTY. Either the CX-7 or the Santa Fe should've.

Superfresa
11-22-2006, 04:19 PM
Then again, appart from a few American Monstruosities, there's only one proper 7 seater SUV - The Discovery 3. At least the GL has more space than many. It's still a car for pre-teenage kids, or short trips for short people, But at least its better than most.<p>Santafe is not innovative in any way, and CX7 has an engine that unfortunately, lets down the excellence achieved in every other area.

Nurburgring
11-22-2006, 04:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I'm not aware what car won in previous years...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I do know that the 2005 award went to the Chrysler 300C which was an excellent choice and the 2006 went to the Honda Civic which was also an outstanding choice. I'm not too fond of this year's. But it's technically their award so if they like it, that's what they should give it to.

FRDesign
11-22-2006, 05:17 PM
As said.<br>The Motor Trend Car of The Year is based on Innovation<p>300C: Made MANY other companys rethink their styling, also brought back RWD sedans.<br>Civic: Brought tons of features and became the benchmark for the small car class<br>Camry: Sorry, But Im not sure what it adds...

Superfresa
11-22-2006, 05:30 PM
The Civic is a Benchmark now? I always think of it as the underdog....<p>Camry isn't innovative. It's just Reliable, big, good value....

mzoltarp
11-22-2006, 05:35 PM
Yawn. Yet another Camry.

FRDesign
11-22-2006, 05:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Civic is a Benchmark now? I always think of it as the underdog....<p>Camry isn't innovative. It's just Reliable, big, good value....</TD></TR></TABLE>The Civic is the car to beat in the small car class.<p><I>Edit by Superfresa: I'm leaving your post and quote as is, but DO NOT modify quotes by others.</I>&lt;&lt;Sorry Fresa. Ill Fix that.<p><i>Modified by Superfresa at 8:25 PM 11/22/2006</i> <I></I> <I></I> <I></I> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MkRylan at 7:35 PM 11/22/2006</i>

Nurburgring
11-22-2006, 05:52 PM
It might not be the case in Austrailia. However, it is here. It is currently the best-selling 'car' in Canada right now. The exterior is revolutionary in the compact segment and many companies like Toyota fear Honda's Civic. I actually disagree with this year's choice for COTY. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
11-22-2006, 06:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MkRylan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Civic is the car to beat in the small car class.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you're going to quote me, quote me properly. DO NOT add anything to what I said, even if its just an emoticon.<p>How is the Civic the car to beat? Sales wise, Corolla is the car to beat. Design wise, it's subjective, but I'd say the 3 is the car to beat. What grounds do you take to say such thing?

knicks125
11-22-2006, 06:56 PM
The Civic, if I recall, won most major awards last year in NA, including this particular award.<p>Let's get back on topic and discuss this year's winner and other candidates.

boston
11-22-2006, 07:07 PM
Dam, Camry. Must be missing something special. <br>At least the Euro COTY looks exciting. Camry says Buick to me

Nurburgring
11-22-2006, 07:56 PM
Remember, this is just from Motor Trend. Let's wait and see what the folks at NAIAS 2007 is planning for the COTY2007.

anonms
11-22-2006, 08:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>-R8-</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It might not be the case in Austrailia. However, it is here. It is currently the best-selling 'car' in Canada right now. The exterior is revolutionary in the compact segment and many companies like Toyota fear Honda's Civic. I actually disagree with this year's choice for COTY. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't really think Toyota fears the Civic, at least here in the US-- Toyota's probably laughing all the way to the bank at how their dull, uninspiring Corolla is still beating the edgy, revolutionary Civic.

FRDesign
11-22-2006, 08:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>If you're going to quote me, quote me properly. DO NOT add anything to what I said, even if its just an emoticon.<p>How is the Civic the car to beat? Sales wise, Corolla is the car to beat. Design wise, it's subjective, but I'd say the 3 is the car to beat. What grounds do you take to say such thing?</TD></TR></TABLE>Sorry about that fresa. I got confused with another post as I had two windows open in Firefox.<br>Ill fix that right now.

Hornbag
11-23-2006, 06:20 AM
It brings so little to the market though (Camry). It's a great car for is intended pourpose, but is far from revolutionary or anything special. The 2005 winner (300C) crapps all over this heap. I would have given the gong to the Civic, but meh.

megadethmartyr
11-23-2006, 09:13 AM
Well, it seems to me that MT is continuing giving these awards to cars with a case of the ugly's. The 300 isn't ugly, but I doubt it would have much international appeal. The Civic still looks like a worked over Saturn with an odd dash. The Camry is a giant mis-mash of shape and angles. THe nose reminds me of a Studabaker (sp?). Ugly is and ugly wins.

Excellerator
11-23-2006, 02:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camry isn't innovative.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I disagree. Making a hybrid model isn't innovative? Offering a six-speed automatic isn't innovative? Creating a wide amount of trims to cater to different types of buyers (base, mid-level, luxury, hybrid, "sport") isn't innovative? The Ford Fusion does not offer ABS standard, or even offer ESP, and has yet to offer a hybrid model (though I hear it's in the plans); the Hyundai Sonata is comparatively one step behind (no six-speed auto or hybrid); the Nissan Altima is more sport-oriented (and offers no hybrid verson--yet); and the Honda Accord is more or less a generation behind since the Camry was just redesigned. Even if it wasn't innovation, then it won due to how changed it is compared to the Gen5 model.<p>But, that's your opinion and I respect that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
11-23-2006, 02:54 PM
Much deserved in my opinion. A 268hp V6 in a midsized family sedan that has better gas mileage than some of its slower competitors, reliable reputation, way better styling than before, and the availability of a hybrid. There may be MY07 cars I like more(Altima, G35, Optima, LS460) but I can see why it won. If the hideous(excluding the nice looking coupe) Civic won it last year I don't see why the Camry doesn't deserve it.<p>As for SUVOTY, the Santa Fe or MDX should have got it IMO.

Superfresa
11-23-2006, 03:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Excellerator</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I disagree. Making a hybrid model isn't innovative? Offering a six-speed automatic isn't innovative? Creating a wide amount of trims to cater to different types of buyers (base, mid-level, luxury, hybrid, "sport") isn't innovative? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Making a Hybrid isn't innovative in the Camry. It was innovative in the Prius. OK, granted, a great choice, glad they have it. But not - technically - innovative. 6 Speed automatics should be norm, and I know up there you guys only get inferior Ford and GM products in the sedan department, But our Falcon has a 6 Speed ZF as used in expensive euro cars for two years now. <p>About the trims, It's great that they offer choice, but since when has being able to decide wether you want your butt heated up electrically, or you prefer Some plastic addition in your front bumper ever made a great car? It's a great idea to give choices. I wont argue. But we're talking about innovation here, and the Camry is low in that department. Although it doesn't really need to be innovative. Its Japanese. <p>But as I said before - probably a well deserved win, considering you guys didn't get the new VE Commodore this year. Which is a car that is by far superior.

anonms
11-23-2006, 05:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for SUVOTY, the Santa Fe or MDX should have got it IMO. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the Wrangler of the FJC should've gotten SUOTY. Those were the only true SUVs in the bunch, either ways.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Making a Hybrid isn't innovative in the Camry. It was innovative in the Prius. OK, granted, a great choice, glad they have it. But not - technically - innovative. 6 Speed automatics should be norm, and I know up there you guys only get inferior Ford and GM products in the sedan department, But our Falcon has a 6 Speed ZF as used in expensive euro cars for two years now. <p>About the trims, It's great that they offer choice, but since when has being able to decide wether you want your butt heated up electrically, or you prefer Some plastic addition in your front bumper ever made a great car? It's a great idea to give choices. I wont argue. But we're talking about innovation here, and the Camry is low in that department. Although it doesn't really need to be innovative. Its Japanese. <p>But as I said before - probably a well deserved win, considering you guys didn't get the new VE Commodore this year. Which is a car that is by far superior. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, part of the Prius' innovation is that it was a mass-produced hybrid, the Camry makes that technology even more accessible. While other cars (namely the S-klasse and the LS460) may have had more innovation in the technology department, those are even less accessible and less of a value proposition than, say, the Fit (which certainly has the innovation and value bases covered).<p>But I think this goes in part with why they picked the Tacoma and the F150-- in contrast with the competition, there is more variety in the lineup, so it has cover the basics without alienating any demographics.

Superfresa
11-23-2006, 05:41 PM
What innovations do the S class and the LS460 have anyway. The LS looks like an Aurion anyway (Yeah, the other way arround. Whatever.) and the S class have twenty-something innovative solutions to problems that dont exist.<p>Put it this way. Colgate revealed a brand new toothbrush, with non-slip grip. When was the last time you lost grip of your Toothbrush? If you did, you're a twat, or you have serious problems, and they wont be solved by a high grip toothbrush. Does their solution work? Of course it does! It's solving a problem that never existed, so any solution works. Besides, they can charge 10 dollars more for it, and you'll take it home with a smile, thinking you just bought the same Toothbrush a Formula 1 driver would buy, since, you reckon, they'd appreciate the higher grip, and so do you...<p>That's a bit on my issue with somr of Mercedes's innovations lately. Whilst they wont kill anyone, they're not particularly useful. <p>On the other hand, I wouldn't award the Toothbrush of the year price, to the Cheapo 10-per-dollar-packs that were quickly put together in China or Thailand by a worker who's on his 17th hour of work that day, but (s)he still can't quite afford to pay the bus ride home. I don't care if those 10-pack toothbrushes are as reliable as you can get them.<p><br>I think you see where I'm getting at.

FRDesign
11-23-2006, 08:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I think the Wrangler of the FJC should've gotten SUOTY. Those were the only true SUVs in the bunch, either ways.<p>Well, part of the Prius' innovation is that it was a mass-produced hybrid, the Camry makes that technology even more accessible. While other cars (namely the S-klasse and the LS460) may have had more innovation in the technology department, those are even less accessible and less of a value proposition than, say, the Fit (which certainly has the innovation and value bases covered).<p>But I think this goes in part with why they picked the Tacoma and the F150-- in contrast with the competition, there is more variety in the lineup, so it has cover the basics without alienating any demographics.</TD></TR></TABLE>True. I agree with every point you make. Thats why The GL should not have won. What does it bring to the class?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Excellerator</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I disagree. Making a hybrid model isn't innovative? Offering a six-speed automatic isn't innovative? Creating a wide amount of trims to cater to different types of buyers (base, mid-level, luxury, hybrid, "sport") isn't innovative? The Ford Fusion does not offer ABS standard, or even offer ESP, and has yet to offer a hybrid model (though I hear it's in the plans); the Hyundai Sonata is comparatively one step behind (no six-speed auto or hybrid); the Nissan Altima is more sport-oriented (and offers no hybrid verson--yet); and the Honda Accord is more or less a generation behind since the Camry was just redesigned. Even if it wasn't innovation, then it won due to how changed it is compared to the Gen5 model.<p>But, that's your opinion and I respect that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>The Fusion Hybrid will be availible in Sping 2007.<br>Same engine as the current Escape Hybrid.<br>And Im not sure, But I think for 2007, The Fusion comes with ABS standard.<p>BTW, What to you think 2007 MT TOTY will be.<p>Im Saying The Tundra will. Although the Chevy SHOULD win. But then again Its Motor Trend...

anonms
11-23-2006, 08:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MkRylan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">True. I agree with every point you make. Thats why The GL should not have won. What does it bring to the class?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Nothing. Meanwhile, Jeep reinvents a classic and Toyota attempts to reincarnate a classic.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MkRylan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im Saying The Tundra will. Although the Chevy SHOULD win. But then again Its Motor Trend...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I don't think the Tundra qualifies for this year, as I think it needs to be available to consumers to be in the running (production only just started, and Toyota hasn't even released the complete details). Which pretty much means GM wins by default.

FRDesign
11-23-2006, 08:24 PM
I was thinking of that. Because What other trucks new for 2007 besides the GM's are on sale by January?<p>The FJ or Wrangler SHOULD have won.<br>BTW,<br>My best friend Just bought a FJ<br>We bought the Wrangler<br>Lol.

Excellerator
11-23-2006, 08:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MkRylan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">True. I agree with every point you make. Thats why The GL should not have won. What does it bring to the class?<p>The Fusion Hybrid will be availible in Sping 2007.<br>Same engine as the current Escape Hybrid.<br>And Im not sure, But I think for 2007, The Fusion comes with ABS standard.<p>BTW, What to you think 2007 MT TOTY will be.<p>Im Saying The Tundra will. Although the Chevy SHOULD win. But then again Its Motor Trend...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for the info about the Fusion. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'm not particularly fond of the Tundra. While I'm sure it's a great truck, I think GM tried extremely hard with the Chevy/GMC trucks. And despite the fact I absolutely despise the ads for Chevy's vehicle (This is our country; this is our truck?! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> ) I feel it should get TOTY. Though maybe the Tundra will win just because it's "much more competitive" than the last one. Who knows? Congrats to whatever truck that wins, anyways.<p>And Superfresa, you made some good points. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

orangeeagle13
11-23-2006, 08:29 PM
I don't know, to me it's a toss up. It just seemed like that is was an easy year to compete. What else was "groundbreaking"? Don't get me wrong, I love the car. My uncle just bought a Blue Ribbon XLE I4. Very nice car.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MkRylan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Fusion Hybrid will be available in spring 2007.<br>Same engine as the current Escape Hybrid.<br>And I'm not sure, But I think for 2007, The Fusion comes with ABS standard.<p>BTW, What to you think 2007 MT TOTY will be.<p>I'm Saying The Tundra will. Although the Chevy SHOULD win. But then again Its Motor Trend...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>From what I've heard, it'll be 2008 when the hybrid version of the Fusion comes out.<br>The Fusion DOES NOT come standard with ABS for the 2007 model year. However, the Milan does.<br>As for truck of the year, I really don't have a preference. And why does everyone rag on MT? I prefer it over C&D by a long shot. C&D reeks of bias IMO.<br>

Superfresa
11-23-2006, 08:30 PM
Thanks. Glad you understand!<p>About the Wrangler, If that thing doesn't deserve to win SUVOTY, I don't know what does.<p>The Wrangler is a demonstration that you can have an automotiva Icon that is safe and modern and progressively evolving without being an ox-cart or being a blatant retro reskin. It's a legitimate champion.

FRDesign
11-23-2006, 08:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>orangeeagle13</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>From what I've heard, it'll be 2008 when the hybrid version of the Fusion comes out.<br>The Fusion DOES NOT come standard with ABS for the 2007 model year. However, the Milan does.</TD></TR></TABLE>It will be MY 2008. But its coming out Mid-2007.<br>And thats why I wasn't sure about the Fusion not having ABS.<br>I knew the Milan did. <p>And I am liking our Wrangler.<br>As Superfresa said, Its not retro styled, It just has cues of old Jeeps, But it still looks modern.<p>And Its good offroad!<br>Like the <B>SUV</B>OTY, should be.<br>Remeber last year, They chose the Nissan Xterra because it is a no frills/gimmicks SUV, which is a SUV. Not a Minivan pretending to be.<br>If they want to award something like the MDX or Santa-Fe SUVOTY, Make a Cross-Over of the year award....

anonms
11-23-2006, 09:17 PM
Here's a list of innovations in this year's COTY:<br>Dodge Caliber: drink cooling compartment<br>Honda Fit: magic seats<br>Lexus LS: park assist for people who can't stick their car between two lines (aka people who probably shouldn't be driving)<br>Mercedes Benz S-klasse: a bunch of random stuff that no one really needs<br>Suzuki SX4: fuel-hogging AWD at an affordable MSRP<p>Yeah, an innovative year.<p><br>Anyways, the XTerra and the LR3/Disco were great choices-- both are serious off-roaders. And now the GL?<p>The thing is, the GL deserves the SUOTY way less than the Camry does the COTY. I would say I wish Toyota could sweep all three, but the Wrangler's more qualified, and I don't know if the Tundra is in the running for TOTY (if it is, it has significance on it's side-- maybe third time's the charm ::rollseyes::).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MkRylan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was thinking of that. Because What other trucks new for 2007 besides the GM's are on sale by January?<p>The FJ or Wrangler SHOULD have won.<br>BTW,<br>My best friend Just bought a FJ<br>We bought the Wrangler<br>Lol.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Even a tie between those two would have been better than the GL winning.<p>The GMT900 is the only new thing this year, as far as I know. If they count the Tundra (through a technicality that it was redesigned prior to Janurary 1, 2007), then it's Chevy vs GMC vs Cadillac vs Toyota. The Tundra did win it before (the Ridgeline did win it too, last year, but last year REALLY was a slow truck year).

Lakeshow23
11-24-2006, 12:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't really think Toyota fears the Civic, at least here in the US-- Toyota's probably laughing all the way to the bank at how their dull, uninspiring Corolla is still beating the edgy, revolutionary Civic.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hah, that's funny. I actually think this year's Camry is awesome, as is Toyota's much improved Corolla line. Sure the Corolla has been uninspiring, but the gauges look luxurious!

karo.ambrose
11-26-2006, 03:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MkRylan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The FJ or Wrangler SHOULD have won.<br>BTW,<br>My best friend Just bought a FJ<br>We bought the Wrangler<br>Lol.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good choice. The Wrangler is hot... the FJ is uh... something you'd see on Mars (sorry if I'm going off topic but lordy, I've seen TONS of FJ's lately. People are eating those things up!)<p>Yeah, what cars did come out this year? It was kind of a plain-jane year, and the Camry is the king of being plain... so maybe it was the right choice.<p>Releasing the hybrid right around the time of the regular model launch was innovative IMO. Offering this technology to the masses is making a statement; hybrids are here to stay. It took Ford years to release their hybrid version of the Escape and they still got a year left to go on the Fusion.<p>Who wants to bet the Smart will be COTY next year?