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Superfresa
12-19-2005, 07:52 AM
Here it goes guys.<p><B>Do It like this:</B><p>- Give 3 points to the SUV that you think deserves to be CSS's 2005 TOTY<br>- Give 2 points to your second option<br>- Give 1 point to your third option.<p>^^ This is all to minimise bias and give the SUV a price as objective as possible.<p>Vote according to the following:<p><B>- Importance</B> and contributions to the industry How important is this SUV for the automotive industry or for the brand? Is it an interesting SUV or will it make a revolution in its segment or hold an importance for the manufacturer?<p><B>- Bumper to bumper</B> How well does it match up to the other vehicles in its segment? Is it marginally better or does it set a new standard?<br><B><br>- Heritage</B> Does the SUV have to live up to a name and reputation? Is it building its own reputation? Furthermore, will the SUV be remembered in 20 years.<p>Try to vote for a SUV that is outstanding in these areas, not a truck you like.<p>Happy voting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>_______________<p>Nominees:<p><br><B>Jeep Commander:</B><p>Jeep makes a move into the 7 seater SUVs with the Commander. With a touch of retro and modernism, the vehicle is true to Jeeps offroad heritage and it marks the begiining of an era.<p>Available with 6 and 8 cylinder versions, and of course a powerful HEMI V8 engine.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/80640_jeep_commander_006.web.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>______<p><B>Land Rover Range Rover Sport:</B><p>Based on Land Rover's award winning Discovery 3 / LR3, the Range Sport is here to show a sportier side of Land Rover. The vehicle exceded expectations at Land Rover's ground - offroading, and proved to be the fastest Land Rover produced yet as well. <p>Powered by a 4.4V8, a 4.2 V8 Supercharged and a 2.7 state of the art diesel, the vehicle is available with permanent 4X4 only, mated with air suspension and the awe-some Terrain response.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.landrover.com.au/au/en/Vehicles/Range_Rover_Sport/Gallery/Gallery_C315813D-064C-4BF3-92EF-A5AF1FE2DD38_307x924.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>_______<p><B>Suzuki Grand Vitara:</B><p>The small car manufacturer is back with a Suzuki that is so improved over its predecesor that it impresses and embarasses many cars in its segment. And then comes the much lower price and the good build quality.<p>Powered by 4 and 6 cylinder engines, with 4X4<p><IMG SRC="http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr_06/grand_vitara/gallery/exterior/views/xv6-base-3-s_d1c1_001.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>_______<p><B>Toyota Rav4:</B><p>Toyota is back into the compact 4X4 segment with an improved Rav4. It's a car with the ability to shake up the whole segment and the reputation to do so as well.<p>A Big V6 engine sets the car appart from the rest. Available with 4X4.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/future/rav4/photos/photo_3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>______<p><B>Mercedes Benz ML Class:</B><p>A premium 4X4 that is back to compete in the very tight premium 4X4 segment. The range of engines goes from small 3.2 liters to the 55AMG.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.mercedes-benz.com/content/media_library/mbcom/products/passengercars/m-class/new_m-class_offroader/M-Off-roader_Impressions_Gallery_01_800x600_05-2005_jpg.d3d3Lm1lcmNlZGVzLWJlbnouY29t-VGhlIE0tQ2xhc3MuIE1hZGUgZm9yIGFzcGhhbHQuIEFuZCBmb3 IgdGhlIHdheSB0aGVyZQ~~-object-Single-WALLP.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>_________<p>Mercedes Benz R Class:<p>Mercedes tries the soft roader premium market with a SUV that pretty much requires a new segment on its own. Can it convince premium buyers though?<p><IMG SRC="http://www.mercedes-benz.com/content/media_library/mbcom/products/passengercars/R-Class/Grand_Sports_Tourer/R-SportsTourer_Impressions_Gallery_04_800x600_07-2005_jpg.d3d3Lm1lcmNlZGVzLWJlbnouY29t-VGhlIFItQ2xhc3MuIERlc3RpbmVkIGZvciBncmVhdG5lc3Mg-object-Single-WALLP.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>_______<p>Audi Q7:<p>Audi's debut in the SUV world is anything but a shy one. The fullsize Q7 has the ability to cause its competition some trouble, but is the mixture of sportyness, performance and luxury the right one for SUV buyers? And will its styling convince all?<p><IMG SRC="http://www.reportmotori.it/Audi%20Q7%20-%20TreQuarti800.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>________<br><B><br>Land Rover Discovery 3 / LR3</B><p>Our 2004 SUVOTY winner is back this year and has nothing to give away to any other contestants. It pushed the barrier in terms of offroading and it pushed the barrier in terms of versatility and comfort. Will the veteran of the rugged roads lose ground for this years SUVOTY to any other contestant, or is it still the most impressive 4X4 out there?<p><IMG SRC="http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5540/landroverlr3offroading7oz.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>______________<p><br>Happy voting guys! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Superfresa at 9:58 AM 12/19/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Superfresa at 8:45 PM 12/19/2005</i>

knicks125
12-19-2005, 08:25 AM
3 points - Suzuki Grand Vitara<br>2 points - Land Rover Range Rover Sport<br>1 point - Mercedes Benz ML Class<br>

SV
12-19-2005, 08:54 AM
3 points - Toyota RAV4<br>2 points - Suzuki Grand Vitara<br>1 point - Mercedes-Benz R-Class<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV at 9:38 PM 12/19/2005</i>

Superfresa
12-19-2005, 09:08 AM
3 Points - Land Rover Discovery. The car can simply not be beaten or even rivaled. <br>2 Points - Jeep Commander<br>1 Point - Suzuki Grand Vitara<p>Honorable mention goes to Range Sport.

Miyka'el
12-19-2005, 09:42 AM
Isn't the Tahoe an '07 model? I believe that the Q7 won't be out in the US until Spring, so is it reasonable for Americans to vote for a vehicle that hasn't made it to their shores yet? If model years 2005-07 are eligible (which wouldn't make sense in light of the title of the award), then what about all the other SUVs -- the <B>Hyundai Santa Fe</B>, <B>Jeep Grand Cherokee</B>, <B>Nissan Pathfinder</B>, <B>Subaru B9 Tribeca</B>, etc.?<p>I'm not trying to be a pain, I'm just a bit confused.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Mike<br>_________________<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Miyka'el at 8:58 AM 12/19/2005</i>

IcedG35
12-19-2005, 09:48 AM
3 pts - Tahoe<br>2 pts - MB ML<br>1 pt - Suzuki

FordRules
12-19-2005, 10:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Miyka┬Łel</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't the Tahoe an '07 model? I believe that the Q7 won't be out in the US until Spring, so is it reasonable for Americans to vote for a vehicle that hasn't made it to their shores yet? If model years 2005-07 are eligible (which wouldn't make sense in light of the title of the award), then what about all the other SUVs -- the <B>Hyundai Santa Fe</B>, <B>Jeep Grand Cherokee</B>, <B>Nissan Pathfinder</B>, <B>Subaru B9 Tribeca</B>, etc.?<p>I'm not trying to be a pain, I'm just a bit confused.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Mike<br>_________________<p><br><i>Modified by Miyka'el at 8:58 AM 12/19/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><br>The tahoe is already shippin to dealers and will be on sale in a week or two.

FordRules
12-19-2005, 10:26 AM
3- Ford Freestyle- Sure its a bit underpowered and Conservitave styling,But its practical and has good resale values.Also is reliable so far and Is a great deal.<br>2-Grand Vitara<br>1-LR3<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by FordRules at 11:55 PM 12/19/2005</i>

knicks125
12-19-2005, 10:32 AM
I agree with Mike. Chevy Tahoe, or any other vehicles plan to be released after calendar year 2005 should not qualify 1) most of them are 07 models 2) not yet available at local dealers.<p>We are voting for new vehicles released in 2005, tagged either 05 or 06 MY.

FordRules
12-19-2005, 10:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with Mike. Chevy Tahoe, or any other vehicles plan to be released after calendar year 2005 should not qualify 1) most of them are 07 models 2) not yet available at local dealers.<p>We are voting for new vehicles released in 2005, tagged either 05 or 06 MY.</TD></TR></TABLE>A chevy dealer in texas IS selling them already!

knicks125
12-19-2005, 10:37 AM
Laws state you cannot sell cars a whole calendar year in advance. The earliest the Tahoe can be sold to the public is the first day of 2006.

Petrol Head
12-19-2005, 10:53 AM
3-rav 4<br>2-LR3<br>1-Q7

Miyka'el
12-19-2005, 01:04 PM
That's absolutely right -- officially: 3 January 2006. <p><A HREF="http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/13441318.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/13441318.htm</A>.<p>Mike

Krypton
12-19-2005, 01:57 PM
1. Mercedes R-class<br>2. LR3<br>3. Audi Q7

phaeton
12-19-2005, 02:12 PM
3pts Audi Q7<br>2pts Land Rover Range Rover Sport<br>1pts Suzuki Vitara<p>Superfresa you've done a fantastic job <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by phaeton at 9:09 PM 12/20/2005</i>

Charger
12-19-2005, 03:13 PM
3- Jeep Commander<br>2- Mercedes M<br>1- Audi Q7<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Charger at 10:48 PM 12/19/2005</i>

jijboi25
12-19-2005, 03:22 PM
3- Audi Q7 (Beautiful Truck imo)<br>2- Land Rover LR3 (great improvement)<br>3- Toyota Rav4<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AccordAzed at 5:57 PM 12/19/2005</i>

Nodnarb
12-19-2005, 05:34 PM
3 Points- Q7<br>2- Grand Vitara<br>1- LR3<p>Edit: No go on the Tahoe, so a change is in order.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Nodnarb at 6:58 PM 12/19/2005</i>

Superfresa
12-19-2005, 06:05 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys.<p>Michy'ael - The vehicles you mentioned weren't nominated, therefore dont appear on this thread.<p>I have included every car that was nominated, that has appeared in 2005 or being sold in 2005 and not before. Since there wasn't anything clear as to wether I should include only cars sold in 2005 or appeared in 2005, I let everything apply, as long as it didn't participate in 2004's SUVOTY, as in the case of the Grand Cherokee and the Hyundai Tucson.

Comrade
12-19-2005, 06:07 PM
how about we have a vote on ruling the 2007 models out. It's unfair and this is 2005 SUVotY! Tahoe will get the chance to prove itself next year. <br>Because the Audi Q7 is a 2006 model in some markets and is already on sale it can take part, IMHO.<p>So here go my votes...<br>3 points: Audi Q7<br>2 points: Land Rover LR3<br>1 point: Nissan XTerra (MotorTrend's SUVotY!)

Redline
12-19-2005, 06:17 PM
3- Tahoe<br>2- R-class<br>1- Range Rover Sport<p>While the Tahoe's eligibility may be in question, as long as it hasn't been banned it gets my vote because of its high significance of the market. The R-class is simply unique and intersting, I like it because it's ground-breaking. The Range Rover Sport isn't much special, it's just how sport SUVs should be done though.

Hornbag
12-19-2005, 06:42 PM
<B>3 points - Suzuki Grand Vitara</B> : This is what a Suzuki should be, it looks great, goes well, and goes off road! The perfect sand buggy for all those city slickers. I love this car!<br><B>2 points - Mercedes Benz ML Class </B>: Finally, they got it right! I give this car 2nd place just because it replaced the worst car IMO in Merc history. Sure the old one was ok, but in terms of quality it was terrible. The new one fixes that, looks cool, and brings a much fresher look. It also drives well!<br><B>1 point - RangeRover Sport </B>: It goes off road, yet has the ability on road ability similar to an X5! It brings LR herritage in a moden if expensive, package. It looks great to boot!<p>And just one question. If the LR3 won last years SUVOTY how come it has been re-nominated??? I'm lost...

Superfresa
12-19-2005, 06:44 PM
The winners were automatically re-nominated so they can hold their own this year.

Superfresa
12-19-2005, 06:53 PM
Hey everyone, Please reconsider your votes since the Tahoe was disqualified. Reason being, it is not a 2005 model and it wouldnt be fair to make it compete with the rest of 2005s.<p>Sorry for the inconveniance!<p>Thanks.<p>- Superfresa -

Hornbag
12-19-2005, 07:04 PM
Oh ok, thanks Fresa, I must have missed that part, lol <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

phaeton
12-19-2005, 08:38 PM
I agree with comrade Q7 is in production this year its 1st year so it is classified as a 2005 even though it hasn't reached US & Aust till next year.

Superfresa
12-19-2005, 08:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phaeton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with comrade Q7 is in production this year its 1st year so it is classified as a 2005 even though it hasn't reached US & Aust till next year.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Audi Q7 <I>is</I> part of the nominees <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
12-19-2005, 09:10 PM
3p. Grand Vitara (i love the thing, i checked one at loaded for $24K) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>2p. ML<br>1p. Jeep

Miyka'el
12-19-2005, 09:13 PM
Alright - thanks for the clarification, <I>Superfresa</I>.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <B>Toyota RAV4</B> <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <B>Audi Q7</B> <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <B>Suzuki Grand Vitara</B>

TeeDi
12-20-2005, 02:14 AM
This is fun!!<p>3 pts - Range Rover Sport<p>2 pts - Audi Q7<p>1 pt - Mercedes-Benz M Class

velsatis
12-20-2005, 06:46 AM
Can someone start telling why the point giving? I mean in the end I would like to have an explanation for the victory of a vehicule beter than. Because we voted on it, why? because......<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Redline
12-20-2005, 01:58 PM
You really have to read most people's posts to see why they voted the way that they did, sure it's not conveinient, but it'st the only way to do it. I guess someone could consolidate the arguments for the vehicle at the end.<p>As for the Tahoe, instead of chaning my list, I'm just giving the Q7 first spot, it's stylish, interesting, and a good luxury SUV from a company that is new to the SUV game.

phaeton
12-20-2005, 05:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The Audi Q7 <I>is</I> part of the nominees <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was just agreeing with his explanation

Comrade
12-20-2005, 05:47 PM
yeah, the member who first pointed out that the Tahoe doesn't qualify, also said that the Q7 doesn't either. So that's why we're "defending" the Audi.<p>Anywho, can't wait to see the Q7 in real life.

sc43018
12-20-2005, 07:31 PM
3- LR3<br>2- Range Sport<br>1- Audi Q7<br>

against the wall
12-20-2005, 07:56 PM
3: lr3<br>2: commander<br>1. rav4<p>honorable mention: q7, rr sport.

piokor
12-20-2005, 08:28 PM
3 - Mercedes M<br>2 - Land Rover LR3<br>1 - Audi Q7

velsatis
12-21-2005, 06:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>As for the Tahoe, instead of chaning my list, I'm just giving the Q7 first spot, it's stylish, interesting, and a good luxury SUV from a company that is new to the SUV game.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wait a minute, so you are giving the victory to the Q7 because its:<br>1-Pretty - Don,t disagree with you, but is this a reason to win? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>2-Because its new in the Class - Dude, this is a REBADGE, of a luxurius touareg with diferent design. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Come on guys, we are all year long analysing cars and the auto industry, that makes us kind of "experts" in the auto industry right?<br>Then why the hell can't we elect the car of the year the proper way instead of like a bunch of amateurs????<br>I don't mean to offend anyone and if I do I appologize, but I would like to see some more "professionalism" and subsequently fairness to your decisions.

Superfresa
12-21-2005, 06:43 AM
As much as I may agree that there could or could not be better reasons out there, I respect your vote and wish to remind you guys that this thread is not for actually discussing why this one and not that one, but for actually voting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
12-21-2005, 06:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FordRules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3- Ford Freestyle- Sure its a bit underpowered and Conservitave styling,But its practical and has good resale values.Also is reliable so far and Is a great deal.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dammit. WTF are you doing? Did you miss my two week nominations thread? NO. Did you care to nominate the Freestyle? NO. Is it hard to bloody vote for the cars Nominated? NO!!!! NONONONONO!!!!<p><br>OK mate, please read and find out what this is about before starting to spread you ford-loving desease arround. Can you not walk over the rules and do what you're meant to instead of trying to love your fords in every single thread? Gah.

velsatis
12-21-2005, 06:51 AM
Dude <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

LEXUS FAN!
12-21-2005, 11:46 AM
3- RAV4<br>2- Q7<br>1- Range Rover Sport

Redline
12-21-2005, 03:02 PM
My main reason for the Q7 is that I don't truly like any of the others. Personally I think all of these are pretty bad, but I gotta vote for something, so at least make it something that brings a new brand into the SUV market.

Superfresa
12-21-2005, 04:22 PM
Voting's up till Christmas day! You have until then to vote or modify your votes <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>I hope the Disco 3 takes the SUVOTY award again. Two years in a row, would be heaps impressive!

galv
12-21-2005, 06:55 PM
3pt-LR LR3- seats seven, handles off roading, etc.<br>2pt-Suzuki Grand Vitara<br>1pt-LR RRsport- a good balance-fast on asphalt yet capable off-road

Hornbag
12-21-2005, 07:58 PM
Just on a quick note, the Suzuki Grand Vitara was excluded from the Australia Wheels COTY as they said the car didn't match what the looks promised! I'm really suprised by that...

CarMattZu777
12-21-2005, 10:03 PM
3 pt- Land Rover LR3<br>2 pt- Suzuki Grand Vitara<br>1 pt- Toyota RAV4

Superfresa
12-22-2005, 04:13 AM
Go the disco 3!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

velsatis
12-22-2005, 07:02 AM
I though I had voted already but did not so here goes<p><B>3 PTS- Mercedes ML -</B> The come back of the starter of the SUV car (as we know it nowdays), tecknology advanced, you can actualy do off-roding with this one (in comparision with some oponents), and its absolutly gorgeous, plus the choice of engines. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>2 PTS- JEEP Commander -</B> Its a JEEP, it as 7 seats, its a total off-roader, Its like a Hummer that you can actually ride in your everyday life and not look like a black rapper <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>1 PT- Mercedes R -</B> Well, I think the concept is geat and new, an S-Class, with a ML, plus an E-Touring but bigger <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
12-23-2005, 02:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just on a quick note, the Suzuki Grand Vitara was excluded from the Australia Wheels COTY as they said the car didn't match what the looks promised! I'm really suprised by that...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I looked this up today and noticed how crappy Wheels Australia is actually. Theiur news are really out of date, their articles are aimed at people who buy automatic sports cars and large SUVs to go for groceries only.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>To be honest, this is the best Suzuki ever, and it outperforms many 40K SUVs costing only 25K.<p>Wheels also reckons the Range Sport is no good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
12-23-2005, 03:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To be honest, this is the best Suzuki ever, and it outperforms many 40K SUVs costing only 25K.<p>Wheels also reckons the Range Sport is no good </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I totally agree, I would own one!!! As for the Rangrover Sport, they loved it (especially Ged Bulmer), the reason it was excluded was because they believd the BMW X5 was still a better option <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> . But then why include the 380? It was majorly outclassed by the BF Falcon??? I swear, if they let that car win COTY, I won't buy WHEELS ever again...<p>It's a good car, great in some respects but nope, sorry, it's nope COTY IMO

Superfresa
12-23-2005, 03:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I totally agree, I would own one!!! As for the Rangrover Sport, they loved it (especially Ged Bulmer), the reason it was excluded was because they believd the BMW X5 was still a better option <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> . But then why include the 380? It was majorly outclassed by the BF Falcon??? I swear, if they let that car win COTY, I won't buy WHEELS ever again...<p>It's a good car, great in some respects but nope, sorry, it's nope COTY IMO</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well actually I reckon the 380 is a trully worthy vehicle. It does nothing wrong and to many people, the car is actually better than the BF Falcon. But for guys like you or me, the FWD Mitsu can't take the Falcon <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">. However, people aren't all like you or me and for a cheap runabout, but big enough and comfortable enough for the whole family, nothing takes the 380.<p>As for the Sport,<p>any magazine that could ever take the X5 and the ML as better performers than a Land Rover dont have a clue about 4X4s. This is particularly true in Australia where people actually DO have a genuine reason to have a 4X4.<p>And their criticisms about some cars are frankly taken off the enciclopedia of most uncommon excuses to say something bad about a car. Its like they're trying to fill space...

knicks125
12-23-2005, 07:33 AM
I would agree with both of you, the Grand Vitara is another one of those underappreciated, not recognized (enough) vehicles many forget about. I guess badge talks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> [storms off the room <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ]<p>Hey at least it's doing well in the voting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Shrek
12-23-2005, 08:27 PM
Here is mine <p>3 points: Toyota Rav4<br>2 points: Land Rover LR3<br>1 point: Suzuki Grand Vitara

geary
12-24-2005, 02:01 AM
3 - LR3<br>2 - Audi Q7<br>1 - R-Class