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Superfresa
12-19-2005, 06:52 AM
This time up, I dont want people voting randomly because many could not even read. So voting will be done by POSTING which Truck You are going to Vote for.<p><B>Do It like this:<p>- Give 3 points to the truck that you think deserves to be CSS's 2005 TOTY<br>- Give 2 points to your second option<br>- Give 1 point to your third option.</B><p>^^ This is all to minimise bias and give the trucks a price as objective as possible.<p><U>Vote according to the following:</U><p>- <B>Importance and contributions to the industry</B> How important is this truck for the automotive industry or for the brand? Is it an interesting truck or will it make a revolution in its segment or hold an importance for the manufacturer?<p>- <B>Bumper to bumper</B> How well does it match up to the other vehicles in its segment? Is it marginally better or does it set a new standard?<p>- <B>Heritage</B> Doe sthe truck have to live up to a name and reputation? Is it building its own reputation? Furthermore, will the truck be remembered in 20 years.<p>Try to vote for a truck that is outstanding in these areas, not a truck you like. <I>Happy voting!</I><p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>_____________________<p>Nominees:<p><B>Honda Ridgeline:</B><p><B>Importance:</B> It is the company's first truck, and Honda want to prove capable.<p><B>Quick Technical Specs:</B><p>3.5 Liter V6, 255bhp, 245 lb/ft torque<p>5 speed auto<p>Variable Torque Split 4X4 system, 4 Wheel independant suspension and rear diff lock.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.offroaders.com/directory/honda/images/Ridgeline3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>________<p><B>Mitsubishi Raider:</B><p><B>Importance:</B> Mitsubishi's return to the Truck/ute market, with a formula that can't go wrong, or Mitsubishi could go bust. It either succeeds magnificently or it might be the last we see from Mitsu in the segment.<p><B>Quick Tech Specs:</B><p>3.7 Liter V6 and 4.7 Liter V8<p>210 & 230 bhp respectively<br>235 & 290 lb/ft torque respectively<p>6 speed manual and 5 speed auto<br>AWD or 2WD models<p><IMG SRC="http://www.mitsucars.com/images/2006/rdr/photos/large_3_ex.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>______<p><B>Lincoln LT:</B><p><B>Importance:</B> Can Ford's luxury brand produce America's best sold vehicle in more refined outfit and justify the extra cash?<p><B>Quick Specs:</B><p>5.4 Liter V8, 300bhp, 365 lb/ft torque<p>2WD or 4WD<p><IMG SRC="http://www.lincoln.com/marklt/img/main_ext_6.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>_______<p><br><B>Toyota Tacoma / Hilux:</B><p><B>Importance:</B> Arguably the toughest, roughest Truck out there took 2004's CSS's TOTY awards, and this year round, there is no reason why it will not hold its own to be proclaimed again. The truck has a heritage and an unbeatable reputation for offroading know how.<p><B>Quick Specs:</B><p>Engines come from a small block 2.7 4 banger to a 4 liter V6, from 159bhp to 236bhp, from 180lb/ft to 266lb/ft, the truck is also ofered in diesel options in non american markets, from a 3 liter Turbodiesel.<p>4X2 and 4X4 with low range available<p><IMG SRC="http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/2006/tacoma/gallery/exterior/large/photo_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>___________<p>Aight guys, Vote up! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-19-2005, 07:28 AM
3 points for the controversial Honda Ridgeline. Not a big fan myself, but as Superfresa pointed, this isn't a beauty contest (which can get very subjective <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ). Like it or not, this new entry from Honda re-writes the truck segment; its unique innovations provide much convenience for truck buyers and the edge needed to go ahead of the competition.<p>(Superfresa, do we have to include a paragrah for the 2nd and 3rd place as well?)<p>2 points for the Mitsubishi Raider.<p>1 point each for the Lincoln Mark LT & Toytota Tacoma/Hilux

Superfresa
12-19-2005, 08:01 AM
No paragraph at all, unless you want to thank me for spending the last hour gathering pictures and information to make this as un-biased as possible <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>No look, if you can give your explanations, all the better, but if you dont care about giving some cars an explanation, just vote <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>And Knicks, I'm afraid you will have to decide wether the Lincoln or the Tpypta gets your last vote. They cant share 1 point <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-19-2005, 08:18 AM
Thanks for organizing this. This is perhaps the best approach - brilliant!!<p>As for the 1 point vote, between the two, let's go with Toyota Tacoma/Hilux

SV
12-19-2005, 08:57 AM
yeah superfresa, what knicks said, thanks for organizing all this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>3 points - Honda Ridgeline<br>2 points - Toyota Hilux/Tacoma<br>1 point - Mitsubishi Raider

Superfresa
12-19-2005, 09:10 AM
No worries :)<p>3 Points - Toyota Tacoma / Hilux<br>2 Points - Mitsubishi Raider<br>1 Point - Honda Fridgeline (I will join in calling it the nickname that ford Rules has given it!)

Miyka'el
12-19-2005, 09:23 AM
<I>Superfresa</I>, I too echo the others' complements: nice work. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>3 points</B>: Honda Ridgeline<br><B>2 points</B>: Toyota Tacoma/Hilux<br><B>1 point</B>: Lincoln LT<p>I am curious, though, as to why the Nissan Frontier and Dodge version of the Raider, the Dakota, don't appear as options -- seeing as they were new for '05 as well. One of the reasons is that it would change my listing order if the Nissan was added to the mix (and drop the Lincoln entirely): Honda &gt; Nissan &gt; Toyota.<p>Mike<br>______________<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Miyka'el at 8:31 AM 12/19/2005</i>

Comrade
12-19-2005, 09:51 AM
3 points: Toyota Tacoma<br>2 points: Mitsubishi Raider<br>1 point: Honda Fridgeline<br>

FordRules
12-19-2005, 10:21 AM
3-Mark LT-Its a Ford truck<br>2-Tacoma-Its a truck<br>1- Raider-Its a Dakota<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 8:42 AM 12/20/2005</i>

phaeton
12-19-2005, 02:14 PM
Where's my nomination ?

Krypton
12-19-2005, 02:22 PM
1. Honda Ridgeline<br>2. Toyota Tacoma<br>3. Raider

FordRules
12-19-2005, 03:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phaeton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where's my nomination ?</TD></TR></TABLE>And my F350!!!<br>3 People nominated it. And it appeared as a 2005!

Charger
12-19-2005, 03:11 PM
3- Mitsubishi Raider<br>2- Lincoln LT<br>1- Toyota Tacoma

jijboi25
12-19-2005, 03:24 PM
3- Ridgeline<br>2- Tacoma<br>1- Mark LT<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AccordAzed at 6:58 AM 12/22/2005</i>

Comrade
12-19-2005, 05:32 PM
The VW Constellation? It's commmercial vehicle. This is more like about pick-up trucks.

Nodnarb
12-19-2005, 05:32 PM
3 Pts- Ridgline<br>2- Tacoma/Hilux<br>1- Raider

Superfresa
12-19-2005, 05:58 PM
Ok guys here we go:<p>Mickya'el: I had a nominees thread that went through two weeks so that this wouldn't happen. I left it for ages to give everyone a chance. The cars that weren't nominated, are regarded as not important enough for this years TOTY, since nobody cared to nominate them.<p><br>Phaeton, unluckily, TOTY is meant for trucks as americans know them. That is, pickup trucks. Unluckily full size, 3 axle lorries cannot compete with small 1 ton pickups and hence your nominee was not included.<p>Ford_Rules, if you had cared to read the other thread's replies, you would've noticed that the Ford F350 was disqualified since it appeared in 2004 and competed in last years TOTY awards.<p><B>Knicks125:</B> Thanks for your help with the COTY set up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Redline
12-19-2005, 06:02 PM
3- Ridgeline<br>2- Tacoma<br>1- Raider<p>The Ridgeline is unique, its something the likes of which just aren't seen in the rest of the truck market. The Tacoma is a beast of a truck and truly the most credible truck of this contest, as the others are just rebadges and soft-roaders. The Raider gets the final points because at least its a unique rebadge.

Hornbag
12-19-2005, 06:51 PM
I'll be indipendent and give this the lemon award, to be honest none, not one, of these trucks deserve this award. Sorry, but while the Ridgeline may be signifigant for Honda, it does nothing for me, and it doesn't really excell much. The closest one I think deserving is the Tiyota Hilux, but even still I think it doesn't deserve the award. It is just too plasicly now, and it can't handle off road like the old one. Never even herd of the Mitsubishi Raider, the Lincoln is just a tarted up Ford, and wel thats it. Sorry guys, none of these deserve my vote.

Nurburgring
12-19-2005, 07:34 PM
Fordrules, just stop it. Dont be biased to Fords only. I, myself like the Honda Ridgeline. It;s Honda's first attempt and it's being praised my many. Ford's been buildin trucks since the 50's and it's great. This is starting to irritate me. Sorry if I'm too harsh or biased to Hondas. I personally own a Honda ( and a mazda5 zoom zoom).<br>3-Honda Ridgeline (not Fridgeline)<br>2-Toyota Tacoma (Great)<br>1-Mitsubishi Raider (Looks to me like a Dakota with Mitsubishi logo, but deserves at least a point)

orangeeagle13
12-19-2005, 08:16 PM
3 Points - Mitsubishi Raider<p>2 Points - Honda Ridgeline<p>1 Point - Lincoln LT

phaeton
12-19-2005, 08:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok guys here we go:<br>Phaeton, unluckily, TOTY is meant for trucks as americans know them. That is, pickup trucks. Unluckily full size, 3 axle lorries cannot compete with small 1 ton pickups and hence your nominee was not included.<br><B>Knicks125:</B> Thanks for your help with the COTY set up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Annoying Americans and there class catergories these vehicles are not trucks they are pickups. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> joking <br>thought as much

phaeton
12-19-2005, 08:33 PM
Toyota Tacoma 3pts<br>Honda Ridgeline 2pts<br>Mitsubishi Raider 1pts is this also the Triton

FordRules
12-20-2005, 12:57 AM
Im going to cry if teh ridgeline wins.

TeeDi
12-20-2005, 02:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FordRules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im going to cry if teh ridgeline wins.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL!! Not if I can help it!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>3 pts - Lincoln LT<p>2 pts - Toyota Tacoma<p>1 pt - Mitsubishi Raider<p>Phaeton: Mitsubishi Raider is based on the Dodge Dakota and is not the same as the Mitsubishi Triton/L200. It's a much bigger "Ute"!!

FordRules
12-20-2005, 02:27 AM
TeeDI: Thanks alot for helping me fight the evil!<br>But when you posted that i found this:<br><A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-12-20-ridgeline-ap_x.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/money/...x.htm</A><br>But with People like TDI who can help,The evil will go away.<p>That MT article got me so mad,I made a new avatar!

orangeeagle13
12-20-2005, 04:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FordRules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">TeeDI: Thanks alot for helping me fight the evil!<br>But when you posted that i found this:<p>But with People like TDI who can help,The evil will go away.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dude, you need to get over the fact that you can make every one a Ridgeline hater. You can't. And frankly all this negative stuff you spew is kind of irritating. If you dont like it, state why, say what they could've done better, how you'd fix, or whatever. People have their own opinions.

velsatis
12-20-2005, 05:29 AM
FordRules, hope to get at least a smile from you with my votes<p>3 pts - Toyota Tacoma - If I had the choice between only these (personnaly they are all crap <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> ), this would be my choice, it looks good and Toyota as experience enough to make a good pick-up <p>2 pts - Mitsubishi Raider - Looks good, and for the effort of the company <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>1 pt - Lincoln LT - Well, it doesn't bring nothing new to the segment (just a luxury Ford), plus looks boring.....but it still looks better then that FridgeLookingAwfull Thing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

velsatis
12-20-2005, 05:34 AM
FordRules, would you stop crying now and let the others vote without having to put up with your opinion all the time <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>For your information "WE GOT THE MESSAGE, FordRules HATES THE HONDA RIDGELINE".<br>Now please Stop<p>

CarMattZu777
12-20-2005, 09:50 AM
The Isuzu i-Series was also a nominee.

Andre
12-20-2005, 10:51 AM
The nearby Isuzu dealer actually has an back-inventory of about ten i series and an Ascender... wierd to see them in that corner there where a bunch of Hyundai's usually are.<p>I'll vote tonight

FordRules
12-20-2005, 11:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FordRules, would you stop crying now and let the others vote without having to put up with your opinion all the time <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>For your information "WE GOT THE MESSAGE, FordRules HATES THE HONDA RIDGELINE".<br>Now please Stop<p> </TD></TR></TABLE>Ok fine ill stop.

Superfresa
12-21-2005, 03:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Isuzu i-Series was also a nominee.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Where? where did you nominate it? when?

Hornbag
12-21-2005, 04:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(personnaly they are all crap <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> )</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your pretty much on the money there mate. Snoozefest galore <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
12-21-2005, 11:36 AM
Oh sorry, I didn't know it was people who nominated them, I thought it was the actual nominees from other contests. I thought it was all trucks that debuted this year.

against the wall
12-21-2005, 01:44 PM
3 pts: toyota tacoma, its good looking, has power, and its meteor proof <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>2 pts: honda ridgeline, its not the best looking, but it sure has innovative features.<br>1 pt: mark lt, something that looks good with chrome.

Superfresa
12-21-2005, 04:21 PM
Votings up till Christmas day guys!

CarMattZu777
12-21-2005, 10:04 PM
3- Toyota Tacome<br>2- Lincoln Mark LT<br>1- Mitsubishi Raider

Superfresa
12-22-2005, 04:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'll vote tonight</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So? Is it tonight yet? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Miyka'el
12-22-2005, 10:30 PM
Thanks for the response, <I>Superfresa</I> -- I didn't realize that back when I posted last. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Mike

piokor
12-22-2005, 11:03 PM
3 - Ridgeline<br>2 - Tacoma<br>1 - Raider

Pavilion
12-22-2005, 11:35 PM
3 - Ridgeline (As muchs as I don't like it, it is the best of the bunch)<br>2 - Lincoln Mark LT<br>1 - Tacoma<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

Shrek
12-23-2005, 08:38 PM
3- Toyota Tacoma<br>2- Mitsubushi Raider<br>1 Lincoln Mark LT

geary
12-24-2005, 01:57 AM
3 - Toyota Tacoma/Hilux<br>2 - Mitsubishi Raider<br>1 - Honda Fridgeline<p>Well done Dan!