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Tidal
10-19-2005, 02:06 PM
It's that time of the year again, when a number of European magazines decide which is the best new car in sale in Europe for 2006, and the successor to the Toyota Prius.<p><A HREF="http://www.caroftheyear.org/pages/cars_candidates06/Lista2006.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caroftheyear.org/pa...6.htm</A><p>So, who is your favorite and why do you think it deserves to win? I'm going with the Clio, because it has a large range to chose from, it's well made for it's class, comfortable and the same time fun to drive.

FordRules
10-19-2005, 04:03 PM
Ide realy take a C1 Focus ST.

Superfresa
10-19-2005, 04:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FordRules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ide realy take a C1 Focus ST.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>we know....<p><br>Ill take the mazda 5

zwei Biere bitte
10-19-2005, 07:17 PM
Volkswagen Passat... it looks greats, seems to be of decent build quailty, and some pretty nifty features that one wouldn't expect on a mainstream sedan.

Krypton
10-19-2005, 07:39 PM
Same as zwei, i love the way it looks, great interior and a ton of cool features not at its price range

Cozz
10-19-2005, 07:48 PM
I'm gonna say the 3-series. It's going to be close to the VW but I heard that some of the interior pieces weren't up to par on the Passat.

Reppu
10-19-2005, 11:11 PM
Guess what....i'm voting for the Passat <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
10-20-2005, 04:57 AM
I voted Passat, but its either Passat of 3 Series. IMO the Yaris has a good chance too...

Superfresa
10-20-2005, 06:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm gonna say the 3-series. It's going to be close to the VW but I heard that some of the interior pieces weren't up to par on the Passat.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I cant believe my eyes! Call rik!

CosworthKid
10-20-2005, 09:44 AM
Its the first time that the finalists dont excite me at all, not that there arent good cars, just nothing extraordinary. Id go for the Passat i think. Even though id preffer a 3-series, the Passat has shown some real improvement in every area.

FordRules
10-20-2005, 11:58 AM
I voted passat,Because nothing else there i really like.I only voted passat because it is a good lokkin car.

Arturo
10-20-2005, 02:58 PM
The choice is quite simple; there are 5 wannabe cars, 1 wannabe BMW (Alfa 159) and 1 real BMW. Should be the 3-series definitely!<p>The Alfa looks nice but doesn't beat the real thing<br>The Passat is really no improvement over its predecessor<br>The Mazda 5 isn't simply good enough<br>The Clio and Yaris are both the same mistake: too heavy for their segment and uglier and less original than their predecessors; a Fiat Punto is more nimble and better to handle<br>The C1/107/Aygo were simply an answer to a question not asked; disappointing sales numbers prove this<p>Remains the 3-series which should have been Euro CotY generations back; increasing sales numbers prove that this is the car the market is waiting for (Mind you, it is outselling the Vectra/Mondeo and Passat in several larger European markets!)

SV
10-20-2005, 03:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Arturo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Passat is really no improvement over its predecessor<br>The Mazda 5 isn't simply good enough<br>The C1/107/Aygo were simply an answer to a question not asked; disappointing sales numbers prove this</TD></TR></TABLE><p>care to elaborate? there are very few reviews, none that i have seen, that say the 5 isn't "good enough," most reviews have also said the passat is better than its predecessor (roomier, better to drive, faster)...and do you have any sources to back up your claims of dissapointing sales for the C1/107/aygo? <p>i think my choice goes to the passat. the old car was superb, and this one is even better. the 3er comes close too; all cars on this list are very nice, although admittedly like cosworthkid said they don't excite much.

Omar
10-20-2005, 03:51 PM
3-series without a doubt, although Passat comes close. I think it'll go down to a shoot out between the two when journalists decide

Arturo
10-20-2005, 03:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">care to elaborate? there are very few reviews, none that i have seen, that say the 5 isn't "good enough," most reviews have also said the passat is better than its predecessor (roomier, better to drive, faster)...and do you have any sources to back up your claims of dissapointing sales for the C1/107/aygo? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Reference for the Sept sales numbers of Germany: <A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/wirtschaft/die_chartbreaker_im_september_2005.93252.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...2.htm</A> . Please note that the Fox and Panda are selling better than one of those C1/107/Aygos. Although sales numbers may not be the final verdict when it comes to quality, the market is always right.<p>As regards the Mazda 5, Auto Bild published a test in which it compared the car to the Opel Zafira, Merc B, VW Touran, Ford C-Max. THe Mazda 5 was clearly not the winner!

SV
10-20-2005, 05:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Arturo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As regards the Mazda 5, Auto Bild published a test in which it compared the car to the Opel Zafira, Merc B, VW Touran, Ford C-Max. THe Mazda 5 was clearly not the winner!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>just because it didn't win doesn't mean it's uncompetitive.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Arturo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Reference for the Sept sales numbers of Germany: <A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/wirtschaft/die_chartbreaker_im_september_2005.93252.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...2.htm</A> . Please note that the Fox and Panda are selling better than one of those C1/107/Aygos. Although sales numbers may not be the final verdict when it comes to quality, the market is always right.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>sales from one country don't necessarily mean much. the aygo may not be very popular in germany, but what about the rest of europe?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV at 9:24 PM 10/20/2005</i>

CosworthKid
10-20-2005, 06:07 PM
Arturo: in similar test carried out by CAR magazine the Mazda5 was the clear winner, so i guess opinions vary. Thing about euro COTY is that they dont always pick the best all-rounder but they usually go for the one with the most innovetions in design or technology, hence previews winner like the Megane, Alfa 147 and even Peugeot 307 which although were good cars they were no were near the best of europe in my opinion and car reviews proved that. For instance the Alfa 147 won over the Mondeo even though the Ford was highly praised for everything while the Alfa got a lot of kudos for its beautiful design but in other areas it was lacking. So i bet the BMW will not win it cause it doesnt brake any ground and it looks kinda ordinary..guys dont be surprised to actually DO see the c1/107/aygo or the 159 as first or second winners. My vote still goes for the Passat though(as breathtakingly gorgeous as the 159 may be!)

Arturo
10-22-2005, 03:56 AM
C'kid, I tend to agree that innovative design or technology decide the next CotY. But unfortunately, that may mean that cars that are best-in-class for generations and icons in the car industry don't get the rewards they deserve.<p>I'll give you that if the CotY award should be granted for innovative design the Alfa 159 might be the winner; shoult it be awarded based on innovative technology, IMO the 3-series should have the prize (new platform, new engines, BMW is renowned for tech innovation).

CosworthKid
10-22-2005, 05:06 AM
Yeah, the 3-series is one of the best cars in any segment in my opinon and always a big favourite from car fans and critics alike. I think it is the best all rounder but as i said, its ordinary/evolutionary design wont win it much points. On the other hand the VW's design may not be to everyone's liking but it helps create huge luggage space and lots of room inside at a price where it seriously undercuts the BMW. You are right about how the way the COTY award is being awarded is not always fair to some cars which normaly should deserve it more.

spwolf
10-22-2005, 07:11 AM
lol, You cant even get Aygo still in most countries, they are out of stock! lol<p>As to the COTY, usually Europeans pick something fresh, new, different and relativly affordable. 3 series is widely criticized as being underpowered (all European mags) and there is nothing new there. Mazda5 came to the game last... Passat has remote chance while Clio, Yaris and C1 has the most chance to suceed. Who knows, maybe even Alfa 159...<p>Remember, COTY isnt about what it is car YOU would wish to drive, it is the car that innovated the market the most and is best in its class.<p>COTY does not mean car sells great (look at all the Fiats that won in the past).

Hornbag
10-22-2005, 06:54 PM
I notised that too! There is just Fiat after Fiat!!!

Arturo
10-26-2005, 06:53 AM
The below quote - although I completely agree - isn't mine, but could easily be considered as a general statement in the automotive world.<p><U>Quote from Automotive News:</U><br>"<I>It's the target of every new or revamped entry into the compact luxury car segment, but nothing has caught up with the BMW 3 series. Nearly six months into sales of the fifth-generation 3 series, BMW is again blasting the doors off the competition.</I>"<p>Again, I'd say the 3-er should win this time. But I wouldn't care if the 3-er didn't; the last time a premium brand won this title was back in 1978 with the Porsche 928 catching the award. Clearly CotY titles aren't awarded to premium brands, but most of the times to all kinds of silly makes with tiny sales numbers for being so-called innovative.<p>Innovative, my ass (excuse my French!) ... An icon that's not been caught up by the competition in THIRTY years (some makes came and went in this time frame) , that's what I call being innovative ...<p>I call for a new prize: Premium Car of the Year ... !!!<p>Note: I'm not angry, just fed up with all this CotY silliness ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
10-26-2005, 12:08 PM
The reason because premium manufacturers don't win this award is because of the fact that because they are premium, the price is higher then what it should be, because you are paying for image as much as for the product. The quote you gave was from an article in ANE that aimed to respond to the question " what is premium "; The 3-series was quoted often not because it's better than all the other cars in it's segment, but because: <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Arturo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's the target of every new or revamped entry into the compact luxury car segment</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Arturo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Clearly CotY titles aren't awarded to premium brands, but most of the times to all kinds of silly makes with tiny sales numbers for being so-called innovative.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ford Focus, Toyota Yaris, Peugeot 307, Renault Megane, Fiat Panda. No silly makes, very large sales numbers, all innovative ( as in bringing something new ) within their brands and their respective segments.

CosworthKid
10-26-2005, 12:41 PM
Mercedes S-Class, previous generation, won the COTY award when it first went on sale in Australia. Europe is different though. Like i said innovation in design and/or technology are the key words. Fuel consumption is a new one as well.

MrMGMan
11-03-2005, 05:28 PM
The European Car of the Year Award has bugger all to do with the respective merits of the cars, as proven by the fact that some absolute horrors have won it over the years - including crap like the Renault 9 in 1982, Chrysler Horizon in 1979 and Fiat 127 in 1971. <p>In reality, the decision has more to do with the political proclivities of the people making up each countries voting panel. There hasn't been a German winner since 1993, and no BMW has ever walked away with the prize. Bearing in mind that Alfa Romeo has won with both the 156 in 1998 and the 147 in 2001, I wouldn't bet against them claiming victory again this time round.

Nath
11-03-2005, 06:03 PM
i'm not too keen on the 3 series, first of all they charge a premium for a car that is more common on the road than almost everything else and second it looks so dull. I liked BMWs new styling direction, which in saloon car form peaked with the great looking 5, with the 3 they have taken interesting shapes in sheet metal and put them together to form another sleep inducing 3 series, I could probably have predicted this one too.<br>As for COTY i'd like to see it go to the PSA/Toyota trio, bangers are a dying breed in the UK and more young people are selling their soul (well pretty much) to buy new rather than a 20 year old dud and these 3 are cheaper than most, decent to look at, have a decent range with choice of 5 doors and have a well styled quality interior (again talking in respect to the price).<br>so in this pole thats what gets my vote.<br>As for the rest, with the exception of the Mazda, it's all more of the same... Yaris and Clio are more modern sleeker interpretations of their predecessors because both enjoyed big success, I guess the same goes for Alfa (although with a company like them I think it's unforgivable, you come to expect head turning new designs).<br>As for the other two, the Passat merits a mention over the BMW as it is more of a change over the old model.

Comrade
11-03-2005, 09:30 PM
I think the 3-series is an excellent car and IMO it looks a lot better than the 5er (which I hate w/ a passion) with it's ugly concave beltline with the razor sharp edge and just horrifying headlights. The 3er has a kind of tough, yet sleek look to it and has a very dynamic stance. The 5er may have a better looking rear, but thats all. <br>&lt;---- Always liked the 3-series.

Arturo
11-07-2005, 03:38 PM
Yessss!! The Scots get it ... (the rest of the world will hopefully follow!)<p>From AutoExpress:<p><I><B>BMW 3-Series crowned Scottish Car of the Year</B> <p>MW 3-Series was named Scottish Car of the Year by Association of Scottish Motoring Writers (ASMW). The prize was given for its "spaciousness and class-leading mix of petrol and diesel engines".</I><p>I rest my case ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <br>

metallic
11-14-2005, 01:51 AM
And the european car of the year 2006 is... Renault Clio! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
11-14-2005, 04:18 AM
Well they could have done worse...much worse<p>Still congrats, Renult...

Reppu
11-14-2005, 05:18 AM
So the last in CSS voting is the winner....we have a good eye <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> . I know the voting criteria for the contest, but even with that in mind i can hardly believe the Clio is the winner.

Superfresa
11-14-2005, 06:37 AM
Well I missed the clio from the voting. I believe its a great car in countries like Colombia. To give you an idea, the car outperforms BMWs and mercedes on colombian roads, due to its build for steep mountain roads at near 3000 mts above sea level.<p>Of course the car is foolish and overpriced in Australia, but having seen both sides of it, I can say that I trully believe the car deserved the prize.

Giannis
11-14-2005, 01:39 PM
The Car of the Year 2006 is going to be Renault Clio!!! trust me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

[AP]adiweb
12-06-2005, 01:08 PM
Why does BMW have such a myth-like image...have you ever sat in the E91? the quality of materials is amazingly cheap, not my cup of tea. it drives well, no doubt, but for that prize the interior is just a bad joke, material and design wise. bmw has seen the problems with their latest cars and has told costumers to improve material with each facelift, so with the e91 facelift. My winner is the passat. nice exterior, enough space (boot and interior), well designed interior (although it has some cheap plastic parts too) but finally the price is not that exorbital.

Naga Royal Guard
12-06-2005, 08:35 PM
interior panel fit on the E60 is total piss

Nurburgring
12-10-2005, 11:13 AM
The Mazda5 is the BEST~! Qualities are top-notch and i like how in the first few seconds of when u start the engine, it says HELLO on the front display.

Tidal
12-11-2005, 04:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mazda5_Driver</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... and i like how in the first few seconds of when u start the engine, it says HELLO on the front display.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> 2 things:<p>1 - You have just turned me completely off the 5;<br>2 - If you like that... feature, you will LOVE the Daihatsu Cuore, cause that one says " Hello. Happy "<p><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8307/hellohappy3xj.gif" BORDER="0"></A><p>Mmm Mmm <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

velsatis
12-11-2005, 07:35 AM
Colega, pedes a Americanos para votarem no carro do ano na Europa????sim porque a maior parte dos participantes aqui e dos usa.<br>Tas a espera que votem em clios e afins????desculpa a honestidade mas a eleicao e um pouco descabida da tua parte.

Cozz
12-11-2005, 10:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Colega, pedes a Americanos para votarem no carro do ano na Europa????sim porque a maior parte dos participantes aqui e dos usa.<br>Tas a espera que votem em clios e afins????desculpa a honestidade mas a eleicao e um pouco descabida da tua parte.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>este site tem muintos americanos mas e visto por pessoas de todo o mundo.<p><br>onde foste buscar o nome Velsatis, nao foi por acaso ao Renault Velsatis?<p>Glorioso slb.<p>

mr_putter
03-04-2006, 04:27 PM
When looking at the site for past winners, there have been some really bad choices.<br>Like the Peugeot 307 and the Alfa Romeo 147. They always come in the bottom places for the satisfaction surveys!

GoLeafsGO
04-05-2006, 06:49 AM
can't argue with the peugeot 307 sales, though, especially in the UK.

jts
06-03-2006, 11:23 PM
ALFA ROMEO 159 ALL THE WAY