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Comrade
05-29-2007, 12:37 AM
I thought I'd create one thread for the entire season instead of having one per race.<p>After five races the point standings are:<br>Alonso - 38<br>Hammilton - 38 <br>Massa - 33<br>Raikkonen - 23<p>-------<p>funny pic of Ferrari drivers parking at Rascasse in Monaco:<p><IMG SRC="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/514662064_5cb29a1c07.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> (where Schumi parked his car last year to trick Alonso and get a better position, but starting last)

Ascariss
06-10-2007, 12:13 PM
wow at f1 today. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek3.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>a bit scary with kubica, hopefully he will recover soon. I liked the part where sato overtook alonso, lol.

Reppu
06-10-2007, 10:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I liked the part where sato overtook alonso, lol.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, once in a lifetime. I almost can see what the english press will say today about the race, that Hamilton is the god of gods and all that.<p>My analysis of the race is this: very good driving and some good luck for Hamilton, many unusual mistakes and tons of bad luck for Alonso. I hope it's the other way around next race.

Cozz
06-11-2007, 04:44 AM
I'm sorry, Alonso didn't have bad luck. He blew it on the first turn and damaged the under carriage. He also did this 3 other times. He also had the wrong tyres when Sato passed him. As you can see, those with the harder compounds were actually faster than those with softer compounds such as Kimi and Alonso vs. Sato and Kovalainen.<p>PS. Nice pic Comrade. How true it is.

Cozz
06-11-2007, 04:46 AM
Standings so far....<p>1. L. Hamilton 48<br>2. F. Alonso 40<br>3. F. Massa 33<br>4. K. Rikknen 27<br>5. N. Heidfeld 26<br>6. G. Fisichella 13<br>7. R. Kubica 12<br>8. A. Wurz 8<p>A rookie to win? Amazing!

Reppu
06-11-2007, 11:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm sorry, Alonso didn't have bad luck. He blew it on the first turn and damaged the under carriage. He also did this 3 other times. He also had the wrong tyres when Sato passed him. As you can see, those with the harder compounds were actually faster than those with softer compounds such as Kimi and Alonso vs. Sato and Kovalainen.<p>PS. Nice pic Comrade. How true it is.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hamilton pitted in in lap 23. Alonso was to pit in in lap 25. Safety car came out in lap 24, and pit in is forbidden until all cars are grouped. But, Alonso had to go in as he was running out of fuel. So he got a 10 secs penalty, that took him from position 3 to position 14. Now if that is not bad luck, you tell me what is. If it would happen the other way around, what would you think about it?. It's undeniable that he did many mistakes during the race, but he had a lot of bad luck also, i don't see your point denying that.<p>Alonso is in the best team, but there is a crusade in England to destroy him, from the press to certain elements of his own team. I wonder why did Dennis sign him if he didn't want him to win. Having the enemy at home (and i'm not talking about Hamilton) is very very sad. <p>EDIT: i just read some lines from british press...nothing unexpected. I don't know what kind of sin has Alonso made to deserve such scorn, apart from being the man who overthrew Schumacher. Or maybe there is some envy or jealousy in the islands. Or maybe some people just can't combine victory and respect in the same mind process. Anyway, Alonso is still the boss in today's F1, and Hamilton will have to demonstrate a lot of things before he can claim that place. Two world champion titles in a row, to start with.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Reppu at 12:48 PM 6/12/2007</i>

Reppu
06-12-2007, 03:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A rookie to win? Amazing!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't know much about F1 history, but i would like to know how many rookies debuted in the best team of that year, with the world champion as teammate and developing the car for him.

Cozz
06-12-2007, 01:01 PM
Reppu, I agree for the most part but your can't claim Alonso as bad luck. The 10 second penalty was his fault. No one else's. Same goes for all the times his car went off roading. After the first pit, he still would have been behind LH because of the SC coming out three other times. Alonso could have easily finished on the top three if it wasn't for the penalty. Just my oppinion though.<p>Bad luck? Kimi in 2004, 2005 ,2006.<p>Just one thing between Massa, Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton, who acted most like a rookie. All three but Hamilton. Juist trying to give credit where credit is due. LH drove like a champion.

Reppu
06-15-2007, 12:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Juist trying to give credit where credit is due. LH drove like a champion.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Definitely, i agree with that and i honestly think that Hamilton could very well be champion this very season all on his own merits. But Alonso deserves, at least, the respect due to a double world champion. If the team's attitude and the british press attitude continues as it is now, i really hope Alonso moves to Ferrari in 2009, as rumours have it.<p>With respect bad luck: PC came out in lap 24, just when Alonso had planned his pit in. He had to choose between running out of fuel and a 10 secs penalty. Do you still think it was his fault? The rest of the race, it's true, he was too nervous. He could have been 3rd or 4th even with the penalty.

DoMiNo
06-17-2007, 06:06 PM
Wow, Hamilton does it again! I wish I'd been able to watch the race <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> After all, it may be the last USGP at Indy.

Cozz
06-19-2007, 04:44 AM
Just came back from Indy. It was a great race. Started raining lightly at the 3rd corner but stopped shorty after. Hopefully they'll have the race in the US again.

Comrade
07-02-2007, 03:34 PM
Ferrari's back. I completely forgot about F1 this weekend. <br>Hamilton still ahead of Alonso tho. <br>I'm glad Kubica is well and kicking, 4th place!<p><IMG SRC="http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2408/f1franceix5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>new standings: <br>01 Lewis Hamilton 64<br>02 Fernando Alonso 50<br>03 Felipe Massa 47<br>04 Kimi Rikknen 42<br>05 Nick Heidfeld 30

Comrade
07-07-2007, 10:51 AM
I just watched my downloaded French GP, it was on a Spanish language channel though. FA got soo much coverage, that it seemed like I was watching Fernando1 instead of Formula1. <br>lol...

Reppu
08-04-2007, 11:45 PM
I just read the news this morning. FIA took their decision back and takes Alonso to 6th on the grid for Hungary GP. Given that even Ron Dennis has admitted that it was Hamilton's fault and not Alonso's (who followed the team orders anyway), one has to think that someone up there doesn't want Alonso to win this championship. I understand that if Hamilton wins it would be good for the business, but i'm sure that FIA can find a smarter, less obvious way to play their gang game.

scorpio14
08-05-2007, 01:14 AM
I just read that McLaren wont be able to take away any points from this race<p><I>"They also denied McLaren an opportunity to score points in the world championship for constructors today, as a punishment for the team's own perceived lethargy in the pits."</I><p><A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/08/05/smhami105.xml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/spo...5.xml</A><p>They really need to sort out this rivalry between these too drivers.... i wouldnt be surprised if one of them dont stay at McLaren for next year.<p>Well at least this good news for other drivers to get a chance to get some point in this race

Reppu
08-05-2007, 03:18 AM
So, the driver who caused the mess gets the pole, and the team and driver who followed order get punished. I doubt we ever saw something like this before in the F1 championship....shame on FIA. I think that, if Hamilton wins this year, it will be a championship covered by dark shadows.

Cozz
08-05-2007, 03:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, the driver who caused the mess gets the pole, and the team and driver who followed order get punished. I doubt we ever saw something like this before in the F1 championship....shame on FIA. I think that, if Hamilton wins this year, it will be a championship covered by dark shadows.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And how is this LH's fault? So if someone smacks you, does that give you a right to pull out a gun? That is what McL did. McL should have talked to LH after qualy to settle things. You don't do what McL did, it's bad for the sport, FIA and for the fans and it's illegal. This is the last thing McL needed because of the ongoing spy scandal.<p>Why did McL want LH behind FA anyway. I have proven over and over LH would loose a lap and FA would gain nothing because of his early mistakes with KR behind him. There was no point for LH to slow down for FA.<p>FA and McL deserves what they got not for what happened but for lying to the FIA stewards.<p>

scorpio14
08-05-2007, 06:58 PM
Well it turns out that the two drivers got their points but it looks like they dont go towards there constructors points as a result of the penalty. Also read in an acticle that Alonso isnt talking to Hamilton.<p>Hamilton won at the end and Alonso came 4th with Raikkonen in 2nd and Heidfeld in 3rd. The others in the points were Kubica (5th), R. Schumacher (6th), Rosberg (7th) and Kovalainen (8th).

Reppu
08-05-2007, 10:14 PM
Cozz, we will never agree in this subject. Both McL drivers had a gentlemen agreement where each one has an extra qual. lap in alternative races. That cannot be considered as team orders. It was FA turn this race and LH didn't honour the agreement. The team acted just as if LH wasn't there because he shouldn't be there anyway, they just respected FA turn and gave him the best chances for his extra lap. That is how it was LH's fault. And with respect the sanction...come on....it's not even worth to talk about it, it was plain unfair and highly suspicious. What is clear is that, in a sport controlled by english people, a winning spanish guy is an annoyance when an english driver can win instead. As i said, this championship is covered by dark shadows. I really hope FA moves to BMW next season, there he would get the respect a double world champon deserves.

Cozz
08-06-2007, 04:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cozz, we will never agree in this subject. Both McL drivers had a gentlemen agreement where each one has an extra qual. lap in alternative races. That cannot be considered as team orders. It was FA turn this race and LH didn't honour the agreement. The team acted just as if LH wasn't there because he shouldn't be there anyway, they just respected FA turn and gave him the best chances for his extra lap. That is how it was LH's fault. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>FA did at least two mistakes early on that let kimi catch him and them pass him. Alonso lost time early and would not get his extra lap no matter what LH did. This is a fact. LH did not block alonso from going faster at any time. LH would loose a lap if he slowed down to let kimi and Alonso pass.<p>Yes, he deserves a good yelling AFTER Qualy but not this crap. Besides, the whole lap issue is a bit fake to me anyway because if McL really wanted Alonso to gain extra laps then why did they hold him in the pits for so long? He could have gotten at least one extra lap after out of the pits.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>And with respect the sanction...come on....it's not even worth to talk about it, it was plain unfair and highly suspicious. What is clear is that, in a sport controlled by english people, a winning spanish guy is an annoyance when an english driver can win instead. As i said, this championship is covered by dark shadows. I really hope FA moves to BMW next season, there he would get the respect a double world champon deserves.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why is it that every time someone disagrees with a ruling, there's something like "dark shadows" in the sport. Nothing new. I think you're a bit biased because you're a great Spaniard <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> just like Alonso. I'm neither so I can see through the smoke-such as if it really was an English thing, McL would have not get penalized. They could have gained 15 points that would almost seal the deal for McL to get the WMC.<p>Facts are facts and the fact is Alonso blocked Hamilton. Another fact is McL and FA lied as to why to the FIA. They deserve it lying to the FIA.

Comrade
10-12-2007, 10:27 PM
China GP was crazy. <br>See how luck can turn around? only 4 points between Alonso and Hamilton.

drugmirko
10-21-2007, 02:55 PM
talking of the turning luck.... what will you say now... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.worldcarfans.com/CSS/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>bravo Kimi!

Cozz
10-21-2007, 05:37 PM
I almost cried. <p>Congrats Kimi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.worldcarfans.com/CSS/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">