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taskbearer
05-23-2005, 10:33 PM
This is a press release from the daimlerchrysler site of the V8 diesel in the E-class<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>daimlerChrysler</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The new Mercedes-Benz E 420 CDI: the worlds highest-torque passenger car diesel engine<p>Stuttgart, May 18, 2005<br>In autumn 2005, a new Mercedes-Benz E-Class model variant powered by the worlds highest-torque passenger car diesel engine will go into series production. The 231-kW/314-hp V8 powerplant develops maximum torque of 730 Newton metres at engine speeds as low as 2200 rpm. This allows the new E 420 CDI to accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h in just 6.1 seconds on its way to a top speed of 250 km/h. Combined fuel consumption stands at 9.3 litres per 100 kilometres. Among the standard features of Mercedes-Benz new flagship diesel model are a maintenance-free particulate filter, seven-speed automatic transmission and AIRMATIC air suspension.<p>The new eight-cylinder engine powers the E 420 CDI to the top of this market segment in terms of dynamics and smooth running characteristics - and offers exceptional diesel-powered driving pleasure. The imposing pulling power of the CDI engine sees to that, generating in excess of 700 Newton metres as low down 1950 rpm. The V8 reaches its maximum torque of 730 Newton metres at 2200 rpm, guaranteeing not only exemplary flexibility when overtaking and lightning-fast mid-range sprints, but also relaxed cruising in higher gears. The E 420 CDI requires a mere 5.4 seconds to power from 60 to 120 km/h in third gear.<p>Heading the list of technical innovations in the new Mercedes eight-cylinder powerplant  which also boasts an aluminium crankcase, cooled exhaust gas recirculation and electrically driven intake air throttling  is third-generation common-rail direct injection. This technology raises injection pressure to 1600 bar and allows particularly precise fuel metering, thus reducing both fuel consumption and exhaust emissions. As with all common-rail engines, the driver can count on high injection pressure at all times  even at low engine speeds.<p>An outstanding feature of the latest CDI technology are piezo injectors in place of solenoid valves. With a response time of just 0.1 milliseconds, piezo ceramic allows fuel injection to be adapted more quickly and precisely to suit changing loads and engine speeds than has previously been the case. This helps to cut emissions, fuel consumption and noise levels. To this end, Mercedes engineers have developed a dual pilot injection system which acts in just a few milliseconds and significantly reduces the combustion noise generated by the eight-cylinder engine. Added to which, double fuel post-injection helps to clean the residue away from the standard-fitted diesel particulate filter.<p>Improved charge air supply and cooling boosts power output<p>One particular focus for the Mercedes engineers was the air ducting either side of the turbochargers. Using airflow calculations and simulations, they were able to reduce the loss of pressure typically experienced in the charge air manifolds of turbochargers, leading to a sustained improvement in the supply of air to the engine. The pressure loss in the charge air manifolds has been cut by as much as 60 per cent compared to Mercedes-Benz previous eight-cylinder CDI engine. This means that an up to 15 per cent greater air mass can flow into the engine, and the V8 uses this to maximise power and torque development.<p>Improved charge air cooling allows further improvements along the same lines. The water-cooled intercooler in the new eight-cylinder CDI engine is integrated into a special low-temperature circuit with two water coolers. Here, the charge air is cooled by up to 120 degrees Celsius, pushing up air density under full load by as much as 25 per cent.<p>Modifications have also been made to the turbochargers with variably adjustable guide vanes. New vane geometry for the compressor and turbine wheels and the guide vanes makes the new engine more efficient than the previous eight-cylinder CDI unit. Another special development from the Stuttgart-based diesel experts are the hollow inserts in the intake lines, which increase the volume of the air before it enters the turbochargers. This raises torque output at lower engine speeds by some 15 per cent.<p>Standard-fitted particulate filter brings exhaust emissions below EU-4 limits<p>The new Mercedes-Benz eight-cylinder diesel engine is fitted as standard with two oxidizing catalytic converters and a maintenance-free particulate filter system, allowing it to keep below the stringent EU-4 exhaust-gas limits. The catalytic converters have the task of breaking down unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide though a chemical reaction with oxygen (oxidation). The particulate filter does not require the use of additives and is cleaned as required whilst on the move through engine functions such as double fuel post-injection.<p>The new V8 compression ignition engine features a sensor in the oil sump which checks the level, temperature and quality of the oil. A display in the cockpit alerts the driver when the next oil change is due. Depending on how the car is driven, maintenance intervals of up to 40,000 kilometres are well within the range of the E 420 CDI.<p>The new eight-cylinder CDI engine will celebrate its series production premiere in the E-Class in autumn 2005 and will also be made available for other Mercedes-Benz passenger car model series in the future. <br>Technical data: Mercedes-Benz E 420 CDI<p>Engine<br>No. of cylinders/arrangement 8/V, 4 valves per cylinder<br>Displacement cc 3996<br>Bore x stroke mm 86 x 86<br>Rated output kW/hp 231/314 at 3600 rpm<br>Rated torque Nm 730 at 2200 rpm<br>Maximum engine speed rpm 4750<br>Compression ratio 17.0 : 1<br>Mixture preparation Common-rail direct injection, biturbo system, EDC<p>Performance and fuel consumption<br>Acceleration 0-100 km/h s 6.1<br>Top speed km/h 250<br>Fuel consumption comb. l/100 km 9.3<p> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The engine it improved on was already the world's lightest diesel V8. Now with increased power and torque, it makes the VW 313hp 4.9LV10 look superflous in terms of complexity. But then again VW might crank up power from their V10 to even more outragious levels.<br>

Cozz
05-24-2005, 05:11 AM
I'm very impressed with what MB has been doing with diesel technology in the last 2 years. First brand to offer particulate filters standered across it's full line of diesels. They are making the best overall power, speed and the cleanist and quietest motors out there.<p>I'm very impressed.

IcedG35
05-24-2005, 10:05 AM
any news on whethor or not this engine is US-bound

taskbearer
05-24-2005, 10:21 AM
We already know that a new petrol V* is on the way, but as at now its a little awkward that MB's diesel V8 is more powerful than their petrol V8. <p>

Superfresa
05-24-2005, 04:29 PM
Can't wait for the new Mercedes Benz G420CDi V8!

IcedG35
05-24-2005, 10:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can't wait for the new Mercedes Benz G420CDi V8!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i was just thinkin how awesome a ML420 CDi would be and i guess a G would be just as great, if not even greater.<p>this engine will definitely have more breathing room however once the new petrol V8's roll in. until then, i doubt they would offer it in the US because its output is higher than the 5.0L petrol.

Blackraven
05-26-2005, 10:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>this engine will definitely have more breathing room however once the new petrol V8's roll in. until then, i doubt they would offer it in the US because its output is higher than the 5.0L petrol.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmm..... considering this already kills the BMW 535d hands down, you'd probably be seeing this in US/Canada once Low-sulfur diesel kicks in your continent next year. I can see it going alongside with its cousin, the new-gen E320 CDI.<p><br>Anyways, I've read the whole article and I'm really surprised regarding MB's R&D for its engines. They have the tri-turbo diesel (for SLK), this one and the upcoming bi-fuel engine that combines diesel with petrol/gas.<p>MB has done it again with their engines and they apparently are the leader in diesel technology.<p><br>Super impressive indeed.

taskbearer
05-27-2005, 09:15 AM
True MB is ahead of the diesel game right now and they seem to be the only luxury carmaker to be serious about diesels in the US. From what it looks like, it seems the rest are just watching to see how MB does before they enter, but I think it might be too late.<p>BMW's twin turbo inline 6 diesel is a very impressive engine and I really think it too could do well in the US. <br>

IcedG35
05-27-2005, 03:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blackraven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hmm..... considering this already kills the BMW 535d hands down, you'd probably be seeing this in US/Canada once Low-sulfur diesel kicks in your continent next year. I can see it going alongside with its cousin, the new-gen E320 CDI.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>i wasn't saying MB needed to gain breathing room from BMW. i meant MB might not want to offer a diesel engine that outperforms the gas engine so once the higher power gas engines come then there will be room for powerful diesels like someone else has suggested

RikfromBelgium
05-28-2005, 04:29 AM
Well, it was shortlived. The new Audi Diesel engine is now leader of the pack.<p>btw, Cozz, that thing about the first wit particulate filters across the line? It needs some nuance.<br>Whereas BMW and Audi aswel ( I believe ) had this standard on all their cars from 5/A6 up, MB still put it up as an option. It isn't untill after a rise in price across the segments that they put it standard on every model.<br>The others also have it on lower models, but ask a price. But when it all adds up, MB doesn't offer an advantage with their standard filters. It's good though that more and more diesels do have them.

Cozz
05-28-2005, 05:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, it was shortlived. The new Audi Diesel engine is now leader of the pack.<p>btw, Cozz, that thing about the first wit particulate filters across the line? It needs some nuance.<br>Whereas BMW and Audi aswel ( I believe ) had this standard on all their cars from 5/A6 up, MB still put it up as an option. It isn't untill after a rise in price across the segments that they put it standard on every model.<br>The others also have it on lower models, but ask a price. But when it all adds up, MB doesn't offer an advantage with their standard filters. It's good though that more and more diesels do have them. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Damn, what a hater. First with standered flters is what I said. You post bull**** like a said something wrong. Hate it or love it but I know your style.

RikfromBelgium
05-28-2005, 09:10 AM
Did I say something wrong? I didn't say what you said was wrong, I said it neede some nuance.<br>I do believe that what I said makes a big difference. In the Upper segments others did deliver is standard before MB, they still asked a price for it. It's not untill after the price-rise that they made it standard. So in the end, you'll pay just as much with any brand. <br>

Cozz
05-28-2005, 09:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did I say something wrong? I didn't say what you said was wrong, I said it neede some nuance.<br>I do believe that what I said makes a big difference. In the Upper segments others did deliver is standard before MB, they still asked a price for it. It's not untill after the price-rise that they made it standard. So in the end, you'll pay just as much with any brand. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Doesn'y matter. BMWs come with headlights standerd across the line... but you're still paying for it in one way or another.<p>Headlights and diesel filters should not be options. They are both very important. There is no need to care if you are paying for them or not. It shouldn't even be a question. Why is this so hard for you to understand?<br>

RikfromBelgium
05-28-2005, 09:31 AM
What are you talking about. Yes, they should be standard. I agree 100%.<br>I just say, that MB weren't the first to have these filters. Others had them first, and without the extra cost in the higher models. And that Mercedes launched it afterwards, as an option, and only made them standard on every car, after they raised the prices. So you're still paying for the filter, you just don't have to ask for it. Kinda takes the shine away of "first with filters across the segment "<br>Why is thisso hard for you to understand <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just placing a IMO important nuance, you're still paying extra and there's nothing innovative about it.

Cozz
05-28-2005, 10:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What are you talking about. Yes, they should be standard. I agree 100%.<br>I just say, that MB weren't the first to have these filters. Others had them first, and without the extra cost in the higher models. And that Mercedes launched it afterwards, as an option, and only made them standard on every car, after they raised the prices. So you're still paying for the filter, you just don't have to ask for it. Kinda takes the shine away of "first with filters across the segment "<br>Why is thisso hard for you to understand <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just placing a IMO important nuance, you're still paying extra and there's nothing innovative about it. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What are you talking about? MB invented the DPF in 1985(?) You pay about 500 to 800 Euros extra. Facts are facts, first to use the filter, first to make it standerd. Stop trying to bring MB down. It ain't working. We all know MB is ahead of everyone else. When are you going to admit it?<br>

RikfromBelgium
05-28-2005, 10:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What are you talking about? MB invented the DPF in 1985(?) You pay about 500 to 800 Euros extra. Facts are facts, first to use the filter, first to make it standerd.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I was talking about the entire segment and about it being standard. <br>It wasn't the first in the higher segments, others were faster. yes, it was first to put it standard in the entire line of cars, but when you still pay more, only not directly, what's the difference for the customer?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Stop trying to bring MB down. It ain't working. We all know MB is ahead of everyone else. When are you going to admit it?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Very mature, how old are you? 8 or something?

Naga Royal Guard
05-28-2005, 02:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good lord. Both of you are prejudiced </TD></TR></TABLE><p>and your not? thats just wonderful <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
05-28-2005, 08:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good lord. Both of you are prejudiced and both of you need to shut your mouths and stop arguing. You're distracting from the topic and making asses of yourselves.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Please post a couple links for us where I went to a BMW thread and talked crap like good old Rik. Rik is very well known to go to MB threads and put down what ever on MB. That's called a hater.<p><br>I'll stick up for my comments if you haven't noticed. My comments are 100% right unless you have something different to state with proof. It isn't my fault Rik runs around here going into MB threads and bashing stuff. So JB Liar, kiss my butt. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
05-29-2005, 12:35 AM
I'm not bashing, I'm keeping the worshipping to a normal level. What you said needed some nuance, and not the praise you gave it. If you can't handle that, why don't you just start a forum of your own, where only Cozz's can be a member and than you can all agree with yourselves.

Cozz
05-29-2005, 04:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not bashing, I'm keeping the worshipping to a normal level. What you said needed some nuance, and not the praise you gave it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>See, that's where you're wrong. You would be posting the "best" stuff and praising BMW if this info was of BMW... but it isn't. So now you're mad and needed to down grade what MB has been doing in Diesel technology.<p>Face it Rik, you're a hater. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whereas BMW and Audi aswel ( I believe ) had this standard on all their cars from 5/A6 up, MB still put it up as an option</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Little do you know that BMW and Audi would have issues passing the EU4. MB? The CDI doesn't even need a DPF to pass the EU4. Maybe that's why it was an option in the begining. MB claims no MB CDI needs the DPF to pass EU4. Gee, I would take a double guess that BMW and Audi wouldn't say that. MB is the only one to produce a DPF kit for older deisel cars that never had an opton for it. How come BMW can't do that?<p>Give some respect where it's do. Read what's going on in the last 2 years and you can clearly see that MB is the leader in Deisel technology. But I'm willing to bet you won't bother and use your opinions as facts.

RikfromBelgium
05-29-2005, 09:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>See, that's where you're wrong. You would be posting the "best" stuff and praising BMW if this info was of BMW... but it isn't. So now you're mad and needed to down grade what MB has been doing in Diesel technology.<p>Face it Rik, you're a hater. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is getting off-topic, but don't act like you wouldn't post your version whenever I post something about BMW. Furthermore, I never praised another brand like BMW or Audi for something. I just placed your statement in a more complete context. I didn't downgrade MB-diesel achievements. <br>It's like this every time, you try to make me look like a hater, accuse me of saying stuff that I didn't say, .... Just to make it easier for you. To create a situtuation where it's like you're just being bothered by some hater. Well, that's not the case. <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Little do you know that BMW and Audi would have issues passing the EU4. MB? The CDI doesn't even need a DPF to pass the EU4. Maybe that's why it was an option in the begining. MB claims no MB CDI needs the DPF to pass EU4. Gee, I would take a double guess that BMW and Audi wouldn't say that. MB is the only one to produce a DPF kit for older deisel cars that never had an opton for it. How come BMW can't do that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's all very nice, but as I said, doesn't change a single thing for the consumer. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Give some respect where it's do. Read what's going on in the last 2 years and you can clearly see that MB is the leader in Deisel technology. But I'm willing to bet you won't bother and use your opinions as facts.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I will give my respect for other things MB has achieved in Dieseltechnology. I just don't find that "achievement" worthy of being called an achievement, more plain old good marketing.<br>Every single reply I gave was based on facts. Again, you try to picture me as some mindless hater whenever you feel threathend or something. Does that make you feel more comfortable, or is it part of just convincing yourself?

Naga Royal Guard
05-29-2005, 10:11 AM
oh great, their both online now

Cozz
05-29-2005, 10:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I will give my respect for other things MB has achieved in Dieseltechnology. I just don't find that "achievement" worthy of being called an achievement, more plain old good marketing.<br>Every single reply I gave was based on facts. Again, you try to picture me as some mindless hater whenever you feel threathend or something. Does that make you feel more comfortable, or is it part of just convincing yourself?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Threathend? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> My knees are shaking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>No one said "achievement" but you. I just said MB is the first offer DPF across the line. Good lord, didn't know I was going to get hacked for the facts. I never said it was the best thing on earth to offer that, just pointing what MB is doing... shoot me please. I give up.<p>If you're that pissed at what I said MB was the first to offer DPF across the line then I will be happy to delete it from my first post. I just want you to be happy Rik. Do you need anything else Rik? Anything that's bothering you in life that I can help with? That's what net buddies are for <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>THIS JUST IN: THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY HIJACKED! enjoy.<p>

RikfromBelgium
05-29-2005, 10:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Threathend? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> My knees are shaking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>No one said "achievement" but you. I just said MB is the first offer DPF across the line. Good lord, didn't know I was going to get hacked for the facts. I never said it was the best thing on earth to offer that, just pointing what MB is doing... shoot me please. I give up.<p>If you're that pissed at what I said MB was the first to offer DPF across the line then I will be happy to delete it from my first post. I just want you to be happy Rik. Do you need anything else Rik? Anything that's bothering you in life that I can help with? That's what net buddies are for <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>THIS JUST IN: THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY HIJACKED! enjoy.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>again, as always you start being theatrical and going off-topic. I just put some nuance nothing more nothing less. I didn't bash MB, I didn't praise another brand. You just try to make it look that way. I guess that's your style when someone doesn't agree 100%, it's not a very nice style, but it's a style.

Cozz
05-29-2005, 02:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>again, as always you start being theatrical and going off-topic. I just put some nuance nothing more nothing less. I didn't bash MB, I didn't praise another brand. You just try to make it look that way. I guess that's your style when someone doesn't agree 100%, it's not a very nice style, but it's a style. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Let's froget about that Rik. I've out grown you. I'm not as mad at you as you're mad at MB. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> MB is diesel king and you're throwing rocks at the throne. Leave it alone- J-Zee <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> This is how much I care about this thread. But it's amazing how well you carry yourself... A for effort. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Can we start this thread over? Please everyone- don't mention that MB was the first to offer PDF across the line standered. Rik will have a sh** fit. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

RikfromBelgium
05-30-2005, 05:50 AM
and please, agree for 100% with Cozz, because otherwise he'll say you're a hater, and start being all theatrical and smartass-like.<br>That's a top-tip <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

62Lincoln
05-30-2005, 07:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any news on whethor or not this engine is US-bound</TD></TR></TABLE><p>^^^^^<p>What he said.

Santeno
05-30-2005, 06:42 PM
alright you 2. enough of this crap. BMW is good, MB is also good. Neither is drastically superior (or sales woudl reflect that). agree to disagree and end of story.<p>Back on-topic.

IcedG35
05-30-2005, 07:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>62Lincoln</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>^^^^^<p>What he said.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>still waitin on that response as well....please skip pass all the useless flaming in the thread and respond to questions actually relevant to the topic.

taskbearer
05-30-2005, 07:32 PM
Since MB is pushing their CDi V6 into the US, we can only expect that eventually they would bring the V8 . Might become a Status symbol to drive a supercar chasing diesel.

Superfresa
05-31-2005, 06:50 AM
Cozz and Rik, you 2 sure the Audis aren't better?<p><br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>j/k of course........<p>Hey I've got an ignorant question here, didn't Daimler Chrysler use Detroit Diesel engines a little ago? Or something similar? I thought MB did their own diesel engines, but I read something similar....

Cozz
05-31-2005, 04:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cozz and Rik, you 2 sure the Audis aren't better?<p><br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>j/k of course........<p>Hey I've got an ignorant question here, didn't Daimler Chrysler use Detroit Diesel engines a little ago? Or something similar? I thought MB did their own diesel engines, but I read something similar....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>DCX ownes Detroit Diesel or at least they did until a while back. I don't know if they do now. I think they still do. DD also built some MB stuff. It's like Karman building Crossfires for Chryser using DCX parts.<p>DCX also uses Cummings for Dodge wich is why they wouldn't need DD anymore. They also have Freightliner and Sterling that used DD but it's badged MB. Ford used DD a while back too on the F350's before going International. It's funny when I see a Ford pickup Deisel with the sticker of the kid pissing on a Dodge or Chevy on the back glass because chances are they are pissing the the same company that their Ford is using. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The reason why I say I don't know if the DCX still owns DD is because I thought they didn't until I heard that DD worked with DCX on the JEEP diesel. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
05-31-2005, 04:37 PM
does zmw use detroit diesel engines too?

Cozz
05-31-2005, 04:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>still waitin on that response as well....please skip pass all the useless flaming in the thread and respond to questions actually relevant to the topic. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The responce is this, A couple of articles (all seperate sources I think) said that both the new R-class and the MLX (now the G-class) and S-class were going to have V8 deisels as options. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> I don't think we will really know until the S-class, R-class or G-class comes out later this year to find out the truth.

Cozz
05-31-2005, 04:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does zmw use detroit diesel engines too?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Rumur has it that the 2012 M3 will have a detroit diesel bolted to a 14 speed tranny w/seperate high and low gears... to hold all that tourqe of course. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
05-31-2005, 05:27 PM
oh damn, i was hoping BMW would start using Fwd chassis by then :(

Cozz
05-31-2005, 05:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh damn, i was hoping BMW would start using Fwd chassis by then :(</TD></TR></TABLE><p>...... it will be. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">