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CarPenter
05-15-2005, 11:26 PM
Are Priuses Stalling Out? <p>The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has not launched a formal investigation yet, but it is compiling complaints from Toyota Prius owners that the cars can stall or shut down while on the road. The agency has logged 13 reports in which 2004 Priuses have shut down at highway or slower driving speeds; a TCC staffer's personal car experienced the problem late last year. Toyota tells the Wall Street Journal that the issue affects 2004 and some 2005 models, and can be fixed by a computer-control update. The company says it notified owners of this update in a service bulletin to owners of 23,900 Priuses. No injuries or deaths have been linked to the problem. <p><br>imho<br>ohh i bet toyota is gonna do there best to quickly and quitely resolve this issue, it aint really bad considering all the tech involved and just a simple fix, computer reprogrammed, but this might become a pimple on toyota's behind in the media if they get wind of it !<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarPenter at 8:45 PM 5/17/2005</i>

taskbearer
05-16-2005, 12:17 AM
I trust Toyota for quick reaction to problems like this. There's no way they're gonna throw away all their hardwork for a simple fix(as they say ) like this.If they resolve it quickly, they'd still sell.<p>Reminds me of the A-class Elk test disaster. That incident was supposed to ruin MB's image forever. The media coverage of the event far exceeded what we've seen so far on this Prius case, but MB reacted fast and the A-class became a super sales success. <br>

mzoltarp
05-16-2005, 05:48 AM
People who want to be new adopters of technology should expect glitches like this. I imagine that it will be fixed soon.

Verdegrrl
05-16-2005, 11:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I trust Toyota for quick reaction to problems like this. There's no way they're gonna throw away all their hardwork for a simple fix(as they say ) like this.If they resolve it quickly, they'd still sell.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually Toyota got quite burnt by oil gell and sludge problems in their cars not so long ago. They kept denying the problem for some years. People made websites and eventually pressure grew to where they were getting a lot of bad press. Now they will cover repairs to a point, but only after the owner shows documentation that they have followed maintainence guidelines.<p>My Toyota pickup went through several heads, and apparently this was a common problem on those engines - which Toyota only admitted after the warranty period had expired on most of the cars and trucks.<p>A quick search on google for toyota sludge will produce 42,000 hits. <p> <A HREF="http://yotarepair.com/Sludge_Zone.html" TARGET="_blank">http://yotarepair.com/Sludge_Zone.html</A>

spwolf
05-16-2005, 04:50 PM
i am sure that anti-toyota freaks will start the bashing right away, but failure-to-sales ratio is quite nice with 13 reports to 100,000 sales. Much better than what 99.99% of gas engines out there are doing<p>:-)

Flagship
05-16-2005, 05:45 PM
13 reports hay, that's it im never buying a toyota or lexus <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
05-16-2005, 06:09 PM
I can just see the Fox News update now: "DEAD ON THE HIGHWAY - Is the Prius putting American families at risk in a terrorist conspiracy?!" <p>Would love to see the "stall" rate on, say, any Chevy model. It's a lot higher than 13 per 100k, I'd guess! Anybody remember the old Audi/60 Minutes/Unintended accelerataion story? It turned out to be completely untrue, based on only a handful of reports and neglected the fact that Ford Tauruses were actually suffering from the problem in quite high numbers. Shameful.

Cozz
05-17-2005, 06:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">13 reports hay, that's it im never buying a toyota or lexus <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good for you! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The Toyota backlash starts now!<p>J/K <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

Excellerator
05-17-2005, 07:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can just see the Fox News update now: "DEAD ON THE HIGHWAY - Is the Prius putting American families at risk in a terrorist conspiracy?!" </TD></TR></TABLE><p>13 divided by 100,000 equals a .0003% (1.3^-4) chance of the engine stalling. Wow, now I really hate Toyota. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Sarcasm.<p>But since we have only 17 channels at my house, I watch FOX News constantly. Let me tell you, if I hear the words "Fox News ALERT" one more time... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I watched CBS tonight and they said that hybrid saled jumped from 88,000 in 2003 to a projected 200,000+ in 2005. If Toyota sold 100,000 last year, no wonder why the Prius is supposedly doing so well. I want one still <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
05-17-2005, 07:54 PM
Wow, a whole 13 vehicles. Doesn't hold a flame to the 2 million vehicles that GM recalled a while back for fuel pumps, parking breaks and seat belt trouble.<p>You can read about that here <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=11510&page=2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=2</A>

CarPenter
05-17-2005, 08:41 PM
sorry ! with the battery packs averaging 3000 dollars usa at the very most cheapest and far from the newest technology (nmh) and they never expect them to make 100k miles and expect replacement at 75k to 80k i dont see any cost savings at all over a efficient gas car (33mpg) after the intial high cost of hybrids, then that damn battery to worry about all the time,( being in an accident, cold weather, run down, life expectancy) and all these high performance hybrids comming out (accord v-6 lexus suv, toyo highlander and many trucks) it will be very hard to ever ever see any savings in the long run, soooo imho the first manufacturer that makes a fuel cell for my house that provides electricity for my home and my car at nite ( electric that runs 250 miles or hydrogen that can make 250 miles a tank) will make a trillion dollars in the technology royalties alone !! hello toyota do you read this forum !! want to be number one ???? <br>Do what i said ! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarPenter at 10:27 PM 5/17/2005</i>

syclone
05-18-2005, 09:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People who want to be new adopters of technology should expect glitches like this. I imagine that it will be fixed soon.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you serious? There is no way in hell anyone should expect their car to shut down on the higway, no matter what technology its using. That's like saying people who fly on the A380 when comes out should expect the engines to fail during on some trips, because it uses new technology. Nobody should have to expect any system, new or old technology to just fail on a new, well-maintained vehicle.

check
05-22-2005, 10:49 PM
Actually jet engines do fail on well maintained aircraft, happens every year on a few aircraft says airdisaster.com. Ive had a Ford turn off on the highway because i went too fast. I then had to put it in neutral and restart it. Thats scary.

Hornbag
05-23-2005, 04:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am sure that anti-toyota freaks will start the bashing right away</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You called...LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But i dont think this should be compaired to GM's fuel tank issue, or any other for that matter. The matter is Toyota found a fault, and they are fixing it. They admitted there was a problem, they didnt deny it, so i say good on them! I hope its an easy fix, so they can keep on rollin out the hybrids <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> Good job Toyota! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
05-23-2005, 06:32 AM
There was an article in the NYT last week that says that there have only been 13 reports of this happening, and that Toyota (in their typical fashion) has recalled each of the 13 vehicles in order to start a formal inquiry into the problem. at this point the problem is believed to be a software error, not a mechanical one.

Vector
05-23-2005, 02:37 PM
Yes, the software on the Prius is enormously complex and, as we all know, software has glitches. Microsoft doesn't release anything without huge problems waiting for the first users. This will become an increasingly important issue as more and more systems are controlled by more and more complex software. Mercedes has been the first to be bit but, by the look of manufacturers use of software engineers lately, a lot of them are itching to be the next to get their quality ratings knocked down a few rungs. <p>Kudos to Toyota for responding quickly.

anonms
05-23-2005, 06:17 PM
Oh crud. I hope they solve this quick.<p>They should have wi-fi built into these cars. Then you could hack into a hotspot and download a software patch. Wouldn't that be so awesome?

orangeeagle13
05-23-2005, 06:21 PM
It would be cool, but you'd hafta know what you were doing, or else the computer would fry, and that would be <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> . I really don't think that this is a major issue for Toyota, at least not at the moment.

Cozz
06-01-2005, 07:49 PM
Well, it's all over the news on TV. Channel nine reported that it only happens between 35 and 60 mph. Toyota hasn't made a recall and made it own investigation.

JBlair
06-02-2005, 12:03 AM
The actual number is 33 reports of vehicles stalling, some of which occur at speeds up to 65 miles per hour (meaning highway driving). Some of the vehicles that stalled could also not be restarted after they stalled. The number of vehicles affected is 75,000 vehicles, not 100,000. Also, the government has officially opened an investigation, which may or may not lead to a recall. <p><A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/01/Autos/toyota_prius/index.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/0...x.htm</A>

Cozz
06-02-2005, 05:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The actual number is 33 reports of vehicles stalling, some of which occur at speeds up to 65 miles per hour (meaning highway driving). Some of the vehicles that stalled could also not be restarted after they stalled. The number of vehicles affected is 75,000 vehicles, not 100,000. Also, the government has officially opened an investigation, which may or may not lead to a recall. <p><A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/01/Autos/toyota_prius/index.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/0...x.htm</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, Automotice News said the Feds were on this. I wonder why. Since when do you need Feds for this kinda stuff?

JBlair
06-02-2005, 07:36 AM
I think they got involved because of the number of complaints, and because some of the failures occured at high speed which could put occupants in danger. Of course, it could also be because they are being cautious about new technology and want to make sure that it remains as safe as possible.

62Lincoln
06-02-2005, 08:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am sure that anti-toyota freaks will start the bashing right away, but failure-to-sales ratio is quite nice with 13 reports to 100,000 sales. Much better than what 99.99% of gas engines out there are doing<p>:-)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually, it's 33 reports. <p>I have no issue with the Feds doing this, based on these numbers. They investigated Ford truck engine fires for 218 cases out of <I>3.7 million</I> units. Toyota isn't having a good month for its quality reputation.