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CarPenter
05-14-2005, 03:17 AM
Another Bricklin? Entrepreneur Shelburg Will Import Chinese Cars This Year<br>Date Posted 05-13-2005 <p>source edmunds.com here is the geely solo sedan <p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/images/articles/100944" BORDER="0"><p> <br>SCOTTSDALE, Ariz.  As the American car business gets used to Malcolm Bricklin's grand plan to sell Chinese Chery cars in the U.S., another entrepreneur plans to beat Bricklin to the punch. <p>David Shelburg, a 75-year-old Arizona businessman, plans to start selling cars made by not one but three Chinese car firms: Geely, Baoding Great Wall Automobile and Zhongxing Automobile. The first cars are set to go on sale in December. Bricklin's Chery cars won't go on sale here until 2007. <p>Shelburg claims to have signed up 30 dealers so far  in Arizona, California, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Shelburg is aiming for annual sales of 60,000 vehicles. <p>The first stand-alone dealership will be in Capitola Auto Mall in Capitola, California, owned by John Mandella. The dealership has been completed, and he's awaiting the arrival of his first cars. "We think the outlook is tremendous for us," Mandella said. "We see a product that the American consumer will get that will have high quality for a fair price." <p>Shelburg formed a company called China Motor Corp. in 2001. The cars imported will include the Geely Solo sedan, which will sell for $6,995; the Zhongxing Admiral pickup; and the Great Wall Hover SUV. <p>the admiral pic <br><IMG SRC="http://static.shop.kolesa.ru/images/files/6415-3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>the great wall hover pic<br><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/news/2005/0308/hover.cuv.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>What this means to you: Buyer beware: Although the price and features of these cars may look attractive, the build quality is just not up to standard. Shelburg and Bricklin want to make a fast buck out of China, but a good reputation takes longer to earn. <p><i>Modified by CarPenter at 3:26 AM 5/14/2005</i><p><br><i>Modified by CarPenter at 3:29 AM 5/14/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarPenter at 3:32 AM 5/14/2005</i>

CarPenter
05-14-2005, 03:23 AM
here is some more info from texas "china motor" dealers,<p>source aiada.org<p>Their names are Solo, Deer, Leopard, Safe and Sing, and thousands of them are on a boat headed this way. <br>U.S. car buyers will soon have a new option: very-low-priced Chinese cars, trucks and SUVs. <p>Four Houston partners will be exclusive dealers for two major manufacturers of Chinese cars for the entire state of Texas, with the first dealership scheduled to open in the city this summer. <p>China Motors of Texas will import automobiles made by Geely and trucks and SUVs made by Great Wall, Chinas leading manufacturer of such vehicles. <p>Cars will sell in the range of $7,000 to $11,000. <p>The manufacturers and dealers are hoping Americans will embrace these new import brands like they did the Toyota -- as opposed to, say, the Yugo, a Yugoslavian import that came to the United States in 1985 with high hopes but flopped so badly it became the butt of jokes. <br> <p>Auto industry observers say that any consumer love affair with these Chinese products will not develop overnight, no matter how good the vehicles are. <p>But Ken Rams, CEO of China Motors of Texas, is optimistic. <p>"We feel the timing is perfect for this," he said. <p>"Most of the other manufacturers have abandoned the low, entry level of the price market," said Rams, noting: "Chinese car makers are committed to becoming a world force." <p>Geely and Great Wall are privately owned companies in mainland China. <p>There will be 24 other China Motors dealers in 13 states. <p>Rams gave some speculation on pricing. The Geely sports sedan, called Solo, will cost $10,888 fully equipped with leather seats, power windows, a remote control entry system, CD player and wood trim. A fully-equipped Solo sedan is $8,888. <p>Some pickup trucks sell for $7,900, and subcompacts cost $6,900. The prices for the SUVs have not been announced. <p>Geely offers 3-cylinder and 4-cylinder engines, made in China, as well as a V-6. <p>Like a charming immigrant still learning the culture, the Web site for Geely USA offers some delightful car descriptions. <p>For example, it notes that the Solo gives its drivers a special feeling, "making you relaxed and happy. Uneasy no! Lost, no! Fashionable life, and fashionable car!" <p>As for the Geely sports car, the Leopard: "The infinite vital force and the excellent driving feeling heats up your endless enthusiasm in your blood vessels." <p>the leoprad pic<br><IMG SRC="http://www.geelymetop.com/img/car/BO1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Geelys U.S. operation is so new that the English version of the companys Web site still identifies the cars by their Chinese names: The Leopard is called the "Beauty Leopard," and the Solo goes by "Merrie" and "Haoging." <p>How enthusiastic will Americans be for these Chinese vehicles? <p>"There have been many successful foreign car arrivals in the U.S., but we also remember the Yugo," said Paul Taylor, chief economist for the National Automobile Dealers Association. <p>The ability to inspire confidence in the durability of the vehicle and the availability of service networks are the keys to winning acceptance among American consumers, Taylor said. <p>"The Koreans (Kia and Hyundai) dealt with it by giving very long-term warranties and low pricing," he said. <p>Low-priced Korean vehicles like Kia and Hyundai compete mostly with used cars, Taylor noted. <p>China Motors vehicles should appeal to consumers who want a new car and warranty at "a low, low price," said Brian Moody, road-test editor at Edmunds.com, a Web site for car buyers and sellers. <p>The Chinese vehicles wont be competing with Japanese products because manufacturers like Toyota and Honda have moved up-market: "The Civic and Corolla were once bargain-basement priced, but theyre not cheap anymore," Moody said. <p>"Now its Kias, Hyundais and the Dodge Neon that are among the very inexpensive products. That should be where the turf war is with the Chinese cars." <p>Winning over car buyers will be an uphill battle for China Motors, Moody said. <p>Their vehicles may be first-rate, he said, but theyll be entering a U.S. market where theyre unproven, and car buying is greatly based on reputation. <p>"Just ask people at Kia. The Kia Optima is a great value," Moody said, "but the publics perception of the car lags far behind the actual quality of the product." <p>China Motors cars and trucks are made in China at new plants using state of the art technology, Rams said. <p>All vehicles come with a free 36-month or 36,000-mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. For $495 the buyer can get 36 more months, Rams said. <p>China Motors will have a service department, and any auto shop that repairs Japanese cars will be able to fix Chinese vehicles, said China Motors partner Ted Jonick. <p>After opening the Houston dealership, most likely near The Woodlands, the partners plan to open a San Antonio operation, followed by the simultaneous openings of two more Houston dealerships and one Dallas showroom. <p>Rams is a 42-year veteran of the car business. His Ford and Dodge dealerships were in California and Michigan. <p>In 1985, he gave up cars for greeting card distribution and consulting. <p>Over the past few years hed been wanting to get back into the auto trade but said he could not find anything that had significant potential. <p>Through the Internet he learned that Geely and Great Wall were headed this way, and he contacted the distributor. <p>His other two partners are Randy Fernandez and Bill Kesler. <p>David Shelburg, 75, is an executive the North American division of China Motors, based in Phoenix. His son David Shelburg Jr. is president of the company. <p>The elder Shelburg was previously a dealer for American Motors, and going back much further, the Kaiser. He also helped bring the Subaru to the United States. <p>Shelburg has visited the Great Wall and Geely factories, and he noted that at the plants, only women do fitting and finishing work on interiors because in China, he said, it is believed that women are more precise than men. <p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarPenter at 3:42 AM 5/14/2005</i>

Flagship
05-14-2005, 10:03 AM
What a great idea take a Toyota Tocoma and change the LOGO <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
05-14-2005, 11:38 AM
The "Great Wall SUV" actually looks decent but I still wouldn't buy one... Does anyone know what its based on or if its a copy of anything?<p>I think Bricklin is going about coming to the US in a better fashion. He's waiting for all the cars to be redesigned to meet safety standards and to get more modern designs, while this company is bringing over mostly outdated models that won't meet todays NA standards...

CarMattZu777
05-14-2005, 04:54 PM
The Great Wall Hover is based off the Isuzu Axiom. I heard somewhere though that these companies were banned from setting up dealerships in Texas because they took money from dealers and never delivered products. <p>Oh yea, here it is:<br><A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-06-01-chinacars_x.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/money/...x.htm</A><p>" Texas officials say Shelburg's last attempt, in 1997, went so badly that he is barred from selling any vehicles in Texas."<p>Darn. I live in Texas and would love a budget-priced Axiom. It looks pretty cool and still has the same cool interior as Axiom, complete with the information computer.<br>

AllodoxaphobicJay
05-14-2005, 10:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What a great idea take a Toyota Tocoma and change the LOGO </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It will be interesting to see how long that particular model lasts on the American market before Toyota's lawyers have something to say about it.<p>There'll be no omnipresent authoritarian government to stop them this time.

nismo
05-15-2005, 02:46 PM
Its the old Tacome not the new one and I think they're licensed to make them.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
05-16-2005, 12:08 AM
Apart from the Great Wall hover, these Geely cars look dredful and with an unknown reliabilty record. I'd rather buy used.<br>

CarPenter
05-16-2005, 12:29 AM
the geely solo is based off a very old daihatsu charade circa 1989 here in america there exhausts systems only lasted like 25k and they all went quickly off to the junk yards here, they did not last ! and you can barely see one on the road here in so cal ! where we have anything and everything on the road here !<p><IMG SRC="http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog_photos/daihatsu/charade_social/daihatsu_charade_social_13726.jpg" BORDER="0">

AXLE
05-16-2005, 11:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The "Great Wall SUV" actually looks decent but I still wouldn't buy one... Does anyone know what its based on or if its a copy of anything?<p>I think Bricklin is going about coming to the US in a better fashion. He's waiting for all the cars to be redesigned to meet safety standards and to get more modern designs, while this company is bringing over mostly outdated models that won't meet todays NA standards...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have to totally agree with you. Chery is going to make acceptable cars with Italian designed exteriors, by the sounds of it fairly powerful engines and with a warranty of 10 years or 100,000 miles. These however look really pathetic (apart from the axiom cousin). If idiots actually start buying these little sh*tboxes all I can think of is what will happen if the get into an accident in one of them. Chery is something that I am really looking forward to seeing when I move back to the states, this however I am not.

-Peter-
05-17-2005, 12:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What a great idea take a Toyota Tocoma and change the LOGO <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>what toyota? that is Mazda pick up/ Ford ranger copy

taskbearer
05-17-2005, 01:08 PM
Guess Mazda would have to sue or something to stop them from loosing sales to the expectedly cheap Chinese copy.

Flagship
05-18-2005, 01:35 PM
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bolita
05-18-2005, 01:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>-Peter-</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>what toyota? that is Mazda pick up/ Ford ranger copy </TD></TR></TABLE>I think you're wrong. I believe its a Hi-Lux/4-Runner (previous gen) copy....

CarMattZu777
05-29-2005, 07:35 PM
I found their website after intense searching. It was hard to track down, but finally I found it, and the site is so awful maybe they dont want people to find it.<p><A HREF="http://www.chinamotorcorp.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.chinamotorcorp.com</A><p>The brands they will offer will be Brilliance Auto, Great Wall, Geely, and a new company called Gonow, which sells more knock-off Isuzu copies and a last gen Montero copy, in addition to the Great Wall Isuzu and Toyota copies.<p><A HREF="http://www.gonowauto.com/english/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.gonowauto.com/english/index.html</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarMattZu777 at 7:42 PM 5/29/2005</i>

bolita
05-31-2005, 11:26 AM
Oh my.<p>I really dont think that these guys will pull it off. Even though Bricklin's quest seems too high, I still feel that his angle on the US market is much more better conceived than these guys....