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CarPenter
05-12-2005, 03:03 AM
TOKYO  Despite the continuing rise of hybrids and fuel-cell cars, Mitsubishi Motors is pushing ahead with a new battery-electric car to go on sale in 2010, in an attempt to showcase its technological prowess and fix its battered brand image. <p><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/news/2005/0511/mitsu.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>The Japanese automaker, struggling to regain customer trust after repeated cover-ups of defects, showed off a small test vehicle equipped with motors embedded in the rear wheels that run on lithium-ion batteries. <p>"For a company with small sales like ours, this is a way we can assert a meaningful presence," Tetsuro Aikawa, who oversees product development and environmental research, told reporters. He said the planned mini-electric car, which will be available for test fleets next year, has a cruising range of around 95 miles on a single charge and can be recharged from a home's electricity. <p>Mitsubishi said the electric car would cost slightly more than a comparable gas-engine vehicle but they hope to keep prices down through government aid available for buyers of ecologically sound cars. It is likely to cost around $19,000 in Japan, though Mitsubishi is undecided on overseas sales for the car. <p>What this means to you: Electric cars? Been there, done that. Unless planning 95-mile-at-a-time trips sounds like fun to you. <p><br>source edmunds.com<p>dont know about you guys but i can use an electric vehicle here in so cal, my drive is around 40 miles daily and i got a plug in my garage lol, and would love to pass these gas stations that hover around 2.60 a gallon here in so cal, also my electric bill is alot cheaper than it was in florida, so id love to see how much it would go up with a vehicle plugged in every nite ! also wish more people would report on how much the hybrid battery packs cost to replace and how long they will last, geeze ya gotta figure those costs in the long run if u want it to go 100k miles ! currently with gas costs and battery pack replacements and high initial cost of hybrids im far from sold on the idea !

CarPenter
05-12-2005, 05:05 AM
ok did alot of math ! lol lets take an electric vehicle 75,000 miles ! and we will pretend that the life expentacy of the batteries is 75k or 48 months. the electric car at 3 bucks a day for recharging would cost $4320.00 bucks for 75k miles, a gas car at 30 mpg@ 2.50 a gallon would cost $6500.00 bucks so u will save 2180.00 dollars.... ok now lets say the battery pack replacement cost 3000.00 dollars after 75k miles and we will go to 150k miles ( the gas car will make 150k with proper maintenance and no needed repairs) so the gas would cost 13k for 150k miles and the electric would cost 4320x2+3k for the batteries = 11,600 for a savings of 1400.00 dollars over the 150k miles, so it truly boils down to psychological savings of passing all gas stations and not being able to do road trips in that car ! just work commute only, so if u have many vehicles like me it would help and save money and use my maxima for road trips and the electric for work daily.

mzoltarp
05-12-2005, 05:14 AM
Life is too short to drive an appliance. I would rather drive something I enjoy at $2.60 a gallon than to drive a penalty box on wheels just so I have the illusion that I'm green. As for the pollution angle, electric cars have issues with battery disposal and pollution caused at the point of electricity generation. I like the new Honda hybrid Accord because the powertrain is used to increase both acceleration and economy. A total electric? Eew!

CarPenter
05-12-2005, 05:44 AM
The Midwest states had the cheapest fuel, with the price down 8.1 cents at $2.08 per gallon. Among major cities, Cleveland had cheapest price at the pump, with fuel down 12.1 cents at $2.02 a gallon. <p>The EIA report also showed gasoline prices were down 5.5 cents at $2.52 in Los Angeles; down 1.2 cents at $2.46 in Seattle; down 1.9 cents at $2.31 in Miami; down 1.2 cents at $2.22 in New York City, down 5.9 cents at $2.21 in Chicago; down 1.7 cents at $2.18 in Boston and down 3 cents at $2.17 in Denver. <p><br>&gt;source car and driver, geeze if u price gas at say 2.02 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> a gallon in cleveland that electric vehicle looks alot better in the pocket book ! but yes ya always gotta remember about how much pollution ( electrical power plants) that the electric car will make to propel that car !!!

KebabGud
05-12-2005, 08:53 AM
wow .. engin in the wheels... like thats never been done before ....

nismo
05-12-2005, 01:42 PM
interesting news but I think they have other more important products to work on...<p>I think Mitsu needs to cut platforms down and simplify the models. They should do what Mazda did, all world models. No huge Galant for the US then a sport one in Japan. Mitsu had the youngest avg buyers then they decided to be Honda with Saturn styling.Heres some tips make a smaller world Galant and Eclipse (or Lancer coupe) and they should start using the new 4 cylinders already....<p>They have idiots running that company <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
05-12-2005, 05:01 PM
What happens when you get a flat tire?<p><br>Does the engine get smashed? XD <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
05-13-2005, 08:41 AM
mitsu is really in identity crisis. Like nismo said, they should stop engineering cars for seperate markets such as the new galant, the eclipse and the yet to be seen pickup. Do they really need a Carlos Ghosn to run their company before they can learn from his management? <p>Their american market only lineup is messed up way below rivals it took me years before I finaly spotted a new galant. Their japanese lineup and most especially image is even worse. Only in europe do they hope with the gasoline version of that nice looking car above. Their sales in europe are quite strong, but all the numbers are attributed to the Colt. <p>I say mitsu should make their platforms leaner and bring the euro-sucessful colt to america to battle scion. I don,t really care for the new eclipse and I doubt its sucess, the pick-up...don't even think about it. I think it was watse of engineering talent and time. The galant, well the sales speaks for themselves.<p>As for looking to EVs to save them, they should aim higher because the range they are projecting for this thing was achieved in the '90s EV follie. If they can extend the range to about 200miles and price it similar to hybrids, they'll have to chance to turn the tides, but if not it'll be just another EV trial.

nismo
05-13-2005, 10:59 AM
exactly, who ever styled the Colt should become president of their design studio because the look of the Colt works very well. Also, Mitsu is wasting money on the "Project America Platform" they should stop aiming for Toyota/Honda and be a niche brand, do there own thing. Like Mazda and Subaru, even Nissan has been quoted as saying they're not aiming to sell the most. All they have to do is sell enough to be profitable... Organize production and engineering cost properly and the future of the company can be bright.<p>They could probably produce their Lancer, Galant, Eclipse, and Outlander off of the new Lancer platform shared with DCX and that would save a bunch of money. Also, the new 4cyl they helped make comes in 3 forms so theres more money saved... 1.8-2.0 for Colt, 1.8-2.0-2.4 all can go into the Lancer, 2.4 in Galant and Eclipse and they can use their most reliable V6 they have as an option to stay away from recalls.

Bass-o-Matic
05-13-2005, 06:57 PM
Same guy that did the Maybach for M-B, he left Mitsubishi immediately after DCX divested itself of Mitsubishi. No idea where he is now (back at M-B studio in Japan?)...

taskbearer
05-14-2005, 07:40 PM
The designer in qustion is Frenchman Oliver boulay who designed the A-class, Maybach while at mercedes and the Colt, Grandis and nearly all recent mitsubishi concepts. <br> <IMG SRC="http://a.focus.de/D/DL/DLB/DLBE/DLBEA/UPLOAD/HBQFAvGaqNl.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>european and japanese grandis<p>He introduced the mitsu triangular plastic cooperate face. He left the company in june of 2004 and was replaced by Mitsubishi design veteran Akinori Nakanishi former head of mitsubishi european design studio in Trebur, Germany and designer of the agressive looking previous generation galant. <p>

Blackraven
05-15-2005, 09:47 AM
Hey, didn't they plan to bring the Colt and Grandis to N.A. shores?<p><br>What happened to them?

nismo
05-15-2005, 10:44 AM
What cars would the Grandis compete with? .... I'm thinking the upcoming Mazda5, would be good to catch a market early..

evomk8
05-16-2005, 07:12 AM
Apparently, the bean counters couldn't justify the cost of making a US conversion (for the Grandis and especially for the COLT) based on the sales projections they had...

Tidal
05-16-2005, 07:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What cars would the Grandis compete with? .... I'm thinking the upcoming Mazda5, would be good to catch a market early..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>it's more the size of a Dodge Caravan, but it has only 4 cil. engines, so sales would be limited in NA. <p>As for the EV, like nismo said, they have more important things to work on now.