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Santeno
05-10-2005, 09:54 AM
From today's Autoweek:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>autoweek.com</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>VW's Spanish Seat division casts an eye toward U.S. market</u><p>BARCELONA, Spain - Spanish carmaker Seat is pondering a possible leap into the U.S. market. But it would not happen for at least five years.<p>"North America would be a sensible, strategic move," Seat President Andreas Schleef told Automotive News' sister publication Automobilwoche.<p>Seat is part of Volkswagen Group's Audi division. Seat was once Spain's low-cost brand. VW has transformed it into a sporty brand in recent years.<p>Schleef said Seat's cars could be built at VW's Puebla, Mexico, plant and sold through Audi's U.S. sales network.<p>Seat already sells cars in Mexico. The company is looking at the U.S. market because of the growing buying power of Hispanic consumers, Schleef says.<p>He said Seat would not enter the American market before the end of the decade because its models do not meet U.S. regulatory standards.<p>Seat would need a new model if it went to the United States, Schleef said. That could be a "lifestyle" station wagon using Audi technology.<p>Seat began selling cars in Mexico in 2001 and sold about 25,000 last year.<p>Separately, Pedro Catena Pou, export market director for the Barcelona-based carmaker, said Mexico and Canada are higher priorities than the United States.<p>"We have European cars for European-thinking customers.' " Pou said. "We are quite happy in Mexico. This is a logical step for us.<p>"Maybe before we look at the States, we would jump to Canada. With our TDi (diesel) technology and European design, there are a lot of potential customers in Quebec. We are not inventing megagalactic things. We are taking a step-by-step approach."<p>A spokesman at Audi of America Inc. in Auburn Hills, Mich. said he was not aware of plans to launch the Seat brand in the United States.</TD></TR></TABLE>

AM2
05-10-2005, 12:49 PM
Hmmm... are Seats priced less than their VW counterparts?<br>I guess VW is really serious about going upmarket in North America... I heard that VW sales are down this year compared to the years before.

CalinG7
05-10-2005, 02:21 PM
Yup, they are now selling fewer cars than Kia. If they can price the Seats lower than comparable VWs, they might be a success. Especially with the "Toyotafication" of VW, Seat's sportier styling and intent would be welcomed by me.

M0L0TOV
05-10-2005, 02:46 PM
I've been waiting for years for this to happen. It's awesome news. So hopefully in a few years I can get a Seat. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmileo.gif" BORDER="0"> I get to drive the car with a logo similar to Supermans. hehehe<p>M0L0TOV

mzoltarp
05-10-2005, 05:42 PM
Better yet... rebadge the SEATs and sell them here as VWs.

Comrade
05-10-2005, 06:47 PM
i can't wait 'til i can take a seat in a seat <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Comrade
05-10-2005, 06:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Better yet... rebadge the SEATs and sell them here as VWs.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I thought most SEATs are rebadged VWs.

Santeno
05-10-2005, 06:52 PM
You do it's not pronounced that way?

Comrade
05-10-2005, 07:22 PM
Yes I know <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> , it's just the spelling. <br>But only about 3 years ago some ppl pronounced Audi like the word "audio" but without the "o" at the end and sounded odd. <p>I think they should make an ad for SEAT similar to the one they did for the Touareg where people tried to pronounce the name but failed and then at the end of the commercial, someone pronounces it correctly. That was a good commercial (as usual from VW).<p>Price is important and they keep some distance from VW. I'm also curious how SEAT''s styling will progress in five years.<br>

Nick
05-10-2005, 07:50 PM
It's not pronounced Seat likCahri/Seat? then how is it pronounced? Seat like Fiat kinda? oR Seat like "sayet"? Or Seat like "Set"? Sometimes car companies names are wierd...Like renault...I've heard so people refer to it like Ren-ALT, and I used to say it like that when I was younger too but now I know it as Ren-O

nismo
05-10-2005, 08:07 PM
Not to be rude, but how is VW becoming more like Toyota? Last time I checked Toyota makes cars that are priced decent and have good reliability which sadly can't be sad about VW.<p>I love the styling of the SEATs and if priced right they might actually sell like VWs use to...<p>Maybe they can be VW's "SCION" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Comrade
05-10-2005, 08:52 PM
You pronounce the A and E in SEAT like you pronounce the A and E in the name "<B>A</B>ndr<B>e</B>". S and T stay the same obviously. I hope that helps.

Nick
05-10-2005, 09:06 PM
cool, thanks...so it's kinda like FIAT, except it's "Say-aught" kinda...

Reppu
05-10-2005, 11:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I thought most SEATs are rebadged VWs.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No they are not. They share platform and engines, that's all, everything else is developed on it's own inside each brand. That includes Skoda as well.<p>There are two exceptions: VW Lupo is a rebadged Seat Arosa. The Arosa went on sale long before the Lupo. Also The Seat Alhambra is a rebadged VW Sharan.

TeeDi
05-11-2005, 12:57 AM
In Australia they used advert's were they would show people how to pronounce the name.<p>SEAT = "Say-it"<p>I've heard some people pronounce it "C-at" or just "Seat" - what you sit in, but over here, in Australia, it's pronounced "Say-it".

Reppu
05-11-2005, 06:42 AM
The correct way is 'say-at'. It stands for Sociedad Española de Automoviles de Turismo.<p>EDIT: hey! there's a letter lost! Santeno, please help!

AM2
05-11-2005, 07:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I thought most SEATs are rebadged VWs.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Have you seen the new Seats? you wouldn't even think they are based on VW platforms.<br><IMG SRC="http://pickap.spb.ru/176/image/toledo/toledo01.GIF" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.energiesmag.com/images/articles/salon-geneve2004/dossier-2-geneve-2004/seat-altea-400.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://cars.iol.ie/usedcars/images/tpwatersCorred351.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Of course if this will happen 5 years from now, it will be next generation versions of these current Seats.

MitzXJ220
05-11-2005, 08:28 AM
I tried to trade my Rover 200 in for a Seat Ibiza last year.<p>The first line the sales man said "... It's basically a VW...". Now I don't know if he said that because he thought I was clued up on cars, but if I wasn't I'd probably find that reassuring.<p>As for my Rover he only offered me 300- it's probably worth 10 pence now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>My brother's driven an Ibiza and an Audi A3 (based on the same Golf platform?), he said that they actually felt the same on the road but the interior felt cheaper compared to an Audi. But, I'm sure Seat will do well in the US.<p>Mitesh<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MitzXJ220 at 8:36 AM 5/11/2005</i>

summersun54
05-11-2005, 09:48 AM
The seat ibeza is baed on a vw polo not golf.. it may have been a seat lion that he drove..they & The toledo are based on the vw golf

CalinG7
05-11-2005, 10:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to be rude, but how is VW becoming more like Toyota? Last time I checked Toyota makes cars that are priced decent and have good reliability which sadly can't be sad about VW.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're absolutely right that VW is nowhere near Toyota when it comes to reliability or even "decent" pricing. But many members on this site, along with reviews in magazines and on websites, can't believe how close the new Jetta looks to the Corolla, and even how all the lines on the Passat have been softened and "marshmellowed" like on a Camry. That's what I meant by the "Toyotafication" of VW, mostly the styling. It's sad, though. Toyota can get away with being bland because of their reliability record, as you mentioned. But how will VW get away with blandness?

Comrade
05-11-2005, 10:29 AM
Someone posted like little table and it said that SEATs and Audis were VAG's sporty vehicles while VW and Skoda's were more comfort oriented. Audi and VW are more expensive and had better quality ("quality not neccessarily meaning relaiability...) as opposed to Skodas and SEATs which are cheaper. I can't rememer who posted it but it was a good point. <br>Because in the first post it stated that there is a growing buying power of hispanic consumers, I think that it's good idea to bring SEAT.<br>Sharing platforms and engines is not that far from rebadging, it just depends to what extent the cars look different. I do stand correted and say that <B>some</B> SEATs are rebadged VWs. If you were to rebadge SEATs to VW, you'd have to change the styling so that the car looks like it's a Volkswagen right?...not SEAT...No? It's too much work <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
05-11-2005, 10:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cool, thanks...so it's kinda like FIAT, except it's "Say-aught" kinda...</TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TeeDi</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In Australia they used advert's were they would show people how to pronounce the name.<p>SEAT = "Say-it"</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Both pronunciations are close but wrong. Like andre said, the vowel sounds are like on his name. The E sound is flat, as it is used on the word "Set". The letter E does not have an "ay" sound in Spanish. That sound is a common (and infuriating) mispronunciation made by English speakers. The "A" sound is also flat, as used in the word "hat".

Comrade
05-11-2005, 11:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Both pronunciations are close but wrong. Like andre said, the vowel sounds are like on his name. The E sound is flat, as it is used on the word "Set". The letter E does not have an "ay" sound in Spanish. That sound is a common (and infuriating) mispronunciation made by English speakers. The "A" sound is also flat, as used in the word "hat".</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That was me, not Andre <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> I just used his name.<br>It's hard to learn how to pronounce every vowel in English. An "A" has a different sound as the last letter in the word Americ<B>a</B> from the "A" in in the word Sp<B>a</B>in. In Spanish and many other languages the vowels are pronounced the same no matter what section of the word they are. It's a lot easier that way. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Santeno, the "A" in the word "hat" isn't really flat as it is in the name "Andre".<br>And I think you meant to say "the letter "A" does not have an "ay" sound in Spanish" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Comrade at 11:45 AM 5/11/2005</i>

Santeno
05-11-2005, 12:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Santeno, the "A" in the word "hat" isn't really flat as it is in the name "Andre".<br>And I think you meant to say "the letter "A" does not have an "ay" sound in Spanish" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Andre is s similar sound to hat, but the A is slightly lower and drawn out. The A in SEAT is pronounced like the A's in "hat". Also, you are correct in saying that the A is not pronounced "ay" in spanish, but in my example I was specifically reffering to the E. It grates my ears to hear english speakers apply the "ay" sound where a flat E should be. As comrade said, in spanish (and many other languages) vowels have one sound and one sound only. In english every vowel has a minimum of two sounds (and depending on accents and how they are arranged, there can be further variations). The more popular english pronunciation is usually the one we all learn as little kids when we learn our vowels (The ones the sound like "Ay, ee, ai, ou, you"). The spanish pronunciation is normally, the flat alternative to the common english pronunciation. also spanish vowels are composed of only one sound, not compound sounds as they are in english.

Comrade
05-11-2005, 12:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> but in my example I was specifically reffering to the E. It grates my ears to hear english speakers apply the "ay" sound where a flat E should be. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Oooh ok... one common example is "Jose", some people say "Josay" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> . I guess they can thank the expression, "No w<B>ay</B> Jos<B>e</B>". Way and Jose don't rhyme <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

M0L0TOV
05-11-2005, 02:09 PM
Sociedad Española de Automoviles de Turismo.<p>Hmm, let's see if I can use my Spanish keyboard layout on this. Sociedad Espaola de Automoviles de Turismo.<p>M0L0TOV

Reppu
05-11-2005, 11:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>M0L0TOV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sociedad Española de Automoviles de Turismo.<br>Hmm, let's see if I can use my Spanish keyboard layout on this. Sociedad Espaola de Automoviles de Turismo.<br>M0L0TOV</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Many thanks! The  is a spanish trademark. In fact it's in the name of my country: Espaa.

mzoltarp
05-12-2005, 05:18 AM
My original point about sending SEATs to the USA as Volkswagens was precisely that under the sheet metal they are Volkswagens and the sheet metal is infinitely more attractive than anything Volkswagen has to offer. The Skoda version of the out-going Passat looked better than VW's version. I'd raid SEAT and Skoda for product and sell them here as VWs.

Santeno
05-12-2005, 06:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Many thanks! The  is a spanish trademark. In fact it's in the name of my country: Espaa.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>No it isn't. that squiggle is alo a type of gramatic accent in Vietnamese (at least that's what my father in-law says).

M0L0TOV
05-12-2005, 10:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Many thanks! The  is a spanish trademark. In fact it's in the name of my country: Espaa.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, I have my keyboard set up to alternate between English and Spanish characters so when I have to write things up in Spanish, I can write the words properly. The tilde is used by other languages as Santeno pointed out. I remember on my Mazda I had the E for Espaa and people would always ask me what it meant. It's kinda funny seeing the similar stickers with "W" for Bush. Makes me wonder what country the W is actually for <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>M0L0TOV

MitzXJ220
05-13-2005, 05:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>summersun54</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The seat ibeza is baed on a vw polo not golf</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My mistake, thanks for clearing that up.

Bass-o-Matic
05-13-2005, 06:51 PM
Sorry, man but, in my family, if I pronounced "a", as in "hat", I'd be alternately laughed and/or shamed out of the house.<p>a= Short "o" sound... as in "hot"<br>e= Short "e" sound... as in "get"<br>i= Long "e" sound... as in "easy"<br>o= (softened) Long "o" sound... as in "logo"... just don't "round" your lips so much and you'll get that "softened" pronunciation<br>u= a "double-'o'" sound... as in "loose"<p>SEAT (all caps, just as God intended it... and SAAB) is pronounced... "se-ott"; Say it fast enough and often enough, and you start to get a tiny bit of a "y" sound between the two syllables, which is why people start to think it's "say-ott" (or "ho-say" for "Jose'"). The problem, if you think that, is that you'll over-pronounce it and sound about as literate (in Spain) as somebody who says "nucular" for "nuclear".<p>

M0L0TOV
05-13-2005, 07:10 PM
I just pronounce it with Se from send and at.<p>M0L0TOV

Tidal
05-14-2005, 11:47 AM
If you pronounce it say-at your pretty close to it... slightly mid-western-ish...<p>Anyhow, I think Skoda, with the Octavia ( which as a AWD option for the station wagon ), the Superb and upcoming Yeti/Roomster would be a better fit for the US market right now.

Santeno
05-14-2005, 01:03 PM
carpfan, I'm not going to argue with you on this, but I have lived in many spanish speaking countries, studied at international schools in both english and spanish, been formally educated in techinical and vernacular spanish, worked in spanish speaking diplomatic posts, translated more than my share of spanish legal documents, and tested at native level speaking, reading, writting and comprehension by the UN at both english and spanish. I'm not making this up, I know what I'm talking about. You are wrong in your comments.

M0L0TOV
05-14-2005, 10:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">carpfan, I'm not going to argue with you on this, but I have lived in many spanish speaking countries, studied at international schools in both english and spanish, been formally educated in techinical and vernacular spanish, worked in spanish speaking diplomatic posts, translated more than my share of spanish legal documents, and tested at native level speaking, reading, writting and comprehension by the UN at both english and spanish. I'm not making this up, I know what I'm talking about. You are wrong in your comments.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Interesting, maybe we should have a little bio about the moderators in here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> That's pretty hip that you've done so many things Santeno.<p>M0L0TOV

taskbearer
05-16-2005, 12:33 AM
Seat coming to the US would be good for the VW group, cause I don't know what they're trying with VW, because there's no way they can erase more than 40yrs of producing "people's car" without drowning themselves. They truly have an identity crisis in the US.

Bass-o-Matic
05-16-2005, 04:15 AM
I'm sorry if I bothered you with my comments but, honestly, do you pronounce "a" in Spanish words, as in the (English) "short-'a'" in the word "Hat"?<p>Because, if you do, I would still stand by my comments... How do you pronounce "Fernando Alonso", "Juan Fangio" or, "Pegaso"? Are the "a's" pronounced as in the anglicized "Santa Ana (Orange County)"? That would be absolutely wrong if you were speaking Spanish.<p>That was my only point and why I added my primer for pronunciation. <p>Just so you know, in addition to spending summers in Spain during my formative years (my mom's inheritance couldn't be removed from Spain during the Franco regime's era, so we would go and spend it every summer), my parents and their friends (immigrants from Northern Spain) spoke more Spanish than English. Though I was hardly the Spanish linguist of the family, I experienced enough "correction" to know that the phonetics that I offered in my previous post are correct.<p>Like I said, no insult intended... though I will admit that I was a bit cheeky (blame it on the Belgian ale?)...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarpFan at 4:43 AM 5/16/2005</i>

M0L0TOV
05-16-2005, 12:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarpFan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Just so you know, in addition to spending summers in Spain during my formative years (my mom's inheritance couldn't be removed from Spain during the Franco regime's era, so we would go and spend it every summer), my parents and their friends (immigrants from Northern Spain) spoke more Spanish than English. Though I was hardly the Spanish linguist of the family, I experienced enough "correction" to know that the phonetics that I offered in my previous post are correct.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's pretty neat, I used to spend my summers in Spain as well. My mothers family stayed after the Spanish Civil War. It's a little bit different when you're from northen Spain, considering everybody had to speak Castellano and not their native tongues. I can see why many left after the civil war, and of course the famine that happened. Interesting to say the least.<p>M0L0TOV

bolita
05-16-2005, 01:22 PM
Let me go by parts....<p> is alt+164<br>SEAT=Sociedad Espaola de Automoviles de Turismo... Thats was when the company was founded in 1954-begininng to build Fiat licensed cars until the 80s when they went on their own for a few years and finally aborbed by the VW group in the early 90s. Now, SEAT is simply SEAT, no longer the acronym.<p>In the 90s, SEAT was losing money left and right, and the US was looked at as the Martorell plant was operating way below capacity and the Peseta vs. Dollar exchange rate made it attrractive, pricewise. But the cost to launch a new brand in the US made the operation not viable.<p>I really doubt that SEAT will ever be launched in the US given the fact that SEATs are no longer inexpensive nor do they have the capacity to build the cars in Spain for the US nor (I think) have the capacity to build the CKD kits to assemble them in Puebla.<p>In addition, I believe that the styling direction SEAT has taken is VERY European and has caused SEAT to pull out of many South American markets (eg Brazil) added to the cost due to the current Euro vs. Dollar rates.<p>In any case, my 2 cents

Bass-o-Matic
05-17-2005, 02:11 PM
On the other hand, wouldn't it be ironic if the only Alfa Romeo models sold in the U.S. ended up being Walter D'Silva's SEATs? <p>Of course, I'm saying that in jest... but, then again, with the "on again/off again" U.S. re-entry of Alfa Romeo and their former Design Chief's work at SEAT, there is enough there to make for some sense of irony.<p>Personally, I hope Alfa comes back, and soon... and I wouldn't mind seeing a Leon 20V here, too.

Verdegrrl
05-18-2005, 09:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarpFan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On the other hand, wouldn't it be ironic if the only Alfa Romeo models sold in the U.S. ended up being Walter D'Silva's SEATs? <p>Of course, I'm saying that in jest... but, then again, with the "on again/off again" U.S. re-entry of Alfa Romeo and their former Design Chief's work at SEAT, there is enough there to make for some sense of irony.<p>Personally, I hope Alfa comes back, and soon... and I wouldn't mind seeing a Leon 20V here, too.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wish Alfa would come back too, but after years of waiting, I've given up hope. Actually, some of Walter's work is already in North America via the latest crop of Audis. The rear 3/4 view of the A3 is very 156 Sportwagon <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/whoswhere/020208audi-desilva.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cardesignnews.com/n....html</A>