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T.B.
04-08-2005, 05:59 PM
Some BMW rumours that have come to my ears ...<p>1. <br>1er will come as a 3-door in early 2006, and as 3-dr or 5-dr touring in 2007 <p>2. <br>2er will come as a coupe and soft top cabrio in late 2006/ early 2007, and debuts in U.S. market in 2007; we will see no M1 (hatchback), but M2 coupe and cabrio will appear (engine yet unknown)<p>3. <br>4er (a folding hard top coupe/cabrio) will be a substitute for a 3er cabrio and will come with carbon fibre (CF) or composite materials (metal + plastic) roof<p>4.<br>- M3 will feature 440HP V8 engine, and will be unlimited to 190mph - more CF, plastic and composite materials will be used to reduce the weight<br>- there will be M4 with same characteristics<br>- CSL models will be M's with even more powerful engines (+10%) and even more weight reduced<p>5.<br>both, RFK and crossover will also feature a CF roof<p>6.<br>5er and 6er will adopt 7er's engines and make 640i, 540i and 550i, 650i in the late 2005/early 2006<p>7.<br>6er will go diesel - 635d and 645d in the sight (mid 2006)<p>8.<br>"iS" designation will be replaced with "Si" - for powerful sport models, and will no mer be limited to X - family<p>9.<br>-X5 will adopt new engines from 5er and 7er when it come as a coplete new model in mid 2006 <br>- X3 will face a minor facelift (redesigned and half-painted bumpers + interior materials) for MY2007 and engines updates<p>10.<br>- Z4 M is coming as MY 2007 with 400HP V8 - detuned futer M3's engine<br>- Z4 facelift is heading for MY 2007 - expect more agressive front and some minor changes in the back and interior <br>- BMW is considernig adding smaller Z2 and bigger V10 Z9 Spyder in the range; but no Z4 coupe<p>11.<br>BMW 330ii will come - with over 300HP I6 two stage turbo petrol engine, to fight with Lexus IS350 and new Infiniti G35 <p>12.<br>RR is launching LWB Phantom in the fall; new Chronicle cabrio based on EX100 concept - arrival in late 2006 / early 2007. They are considering to go downmarket - with a sedan and coupe - to fight the Bentley.<p>13.<br>new 7 series planned for MY 2009; expect revolutionary design again, I-drive and dash will be almost a carbon copy of a Z9 concept dash and idrive; idrive will be built in-house - much improved; new advanced safety features; more powerful engines - even petrol turbo ones; EVT engines possible; will come with ZSG gearbox<p>Schedule - some true, some rumours:<br>summer 2005: 3er touring, 318i, 323i, 325xi, 330xi<br>fall 2005: 330d, first 3er "Si" models, 550i, 650i<br>spring 2006: 3-door 1er, X3 with new engines: 2.5i, 3.0i, 2.0d, 3.0d; 3er coupe, facelifted Z4, Z4 M, 540i, 640i, <br>summer 2006: 4er, new X5, 635d, 645d<br>fall 2006: 2er coupe, 335d or 330Sd, 330ii, X3 3.5d or 3.0Sd<br>spring 2007: 2er cabrio, M3<br>fall 2007: 1er touring, M4, facelifted 5er<br>spring 2008: V5 RFK, facelifted 6er and X3<br>summer 2008: X6 crossover<br>fall 2008: new 7er<p><br>Any idea of this being true or not? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

erzhik
04-08-2005, 10:10 PM
1 series is SWEET...seen it in my city..looks really nice..especially the headlights...

JBlair
04-08-2005, 11:32 PM
BMW could not make a performance version with the Si designation, as that trademark belongs to BMW. A lot of this sounds like some fan-boy's dream wish list for BMW; the rest of it is stuff that had already been assumed to be true.

PlatForm
04-08-2005, 11:38 PM
i hope the 1 series touring would be cute and nice..<p>i dont like the X3 front design,they should make it more aggressive and nice..

Uberwagon
04-09-2005, 01:55 AM
Nice compilation, Tine.<p>This is no "fan-boy" list. This is an excellent summary of mostly-confirmed or suggested insider info. And even if there are assumptions, we all know how much BS gets thrown around. It'd be nice to know if they are true, no? Perhaps our resident informant can confirm?<br>

scott26
04-12-2005, 01:13 PM
1er will come as a 3-door in early 2006, and as 3-dr or 5-dr touring in 2007 <br>2er will come as a coupe and soft top cabrio in late 2006/ early 2007, and debuts in U.S. market in 2007; we will see no M1 (hatchback), but M2 coupe and cabrio will appear (engine yet unknown)<br> With the 1er BMW are astounded by the success. It has already been rumoured that the 1er is not selling as well as it should be . But this is rumours and anti-Bangle bull**** . The car has entered respective markets and achieved objectives. Plus you have to understand the 1er is not just one car - You will see an expanded product range 2006 will be the beginning of the roll out for the variants that will be offered with the E87 platform. Platforms that will increase profitability of the E87 project. 1er was new segment for BMW in current times. A year or two gives time for product to be established in it's respective market and then the roll out of other body styles begins. <br>The first model lays the groundwork and then we build on that. If we didnt expand our product portfolio and our design innovation we believe we would not be as successful as we are today.<br>A 3-door hatch will be the second body style, ready for launch in early 2006. Touring version is seriously considered. Also under feasibility study is a 3dr Touring fastback - sharing history and idea with the old 1600/2002 Touring.<p>The 2er will be expected in 2006. The CS1 concept is really the 2er. BMW describe the 2er as reinventing the fun era of BMW the 2002 and the E30. Cars which were about the joy of driving - icon cars. In respect the 2er is a spritual ancestor of these great products forever etched in BMW's history. BMW know they cannot afford to miss the North American market, in spite of weak dollar. They know the 2er will be very,very popular not only with younger buyers, but with traditional 2002 enthusiasts, and also domestic and Japanese brand owners.Though the 2er coupe and 2er cabrio will expectedly be sold in US as BMW are pitching the 2er as the 21st century 2002, as per USA/Canada popularity of the 2002 is extremely popular. Marketing will be forged to that era with a family link as BMW tend to woo the 2002 enthusiasts.<br>The 2er will be available as soft top cabrio and as hard top coupe. A folding hard top was discussed but found to be impractical .<br>Engines will be the same as 1er . <p>RR is launching LWB Phantom in the fall; new Chronicle cabrio based on EX100 concept - arrival in late 2006 / early 2007. They are considering to go downmarket - with a sedan and coupe - to fight the Bentley. <br>If we ignored the potential of the 100 EX as a production car then we kill our investment in Rolls-Royce. Again there has been poor press representation of the Rolls-Royce business. But they dont really report on possibly motoring biggest achievement this century the design of a new model , the design and construction of a new factory and a whole new marketing approach . Relaunching of a successful company that was previously handicapped by it's partner. <br>Rolls-Royce is an icon it is not a volume car. Because we are only selling small quantities . People deem the company to be unsuccessful - Again when production begins on additional models including a smaller Silver Shadow type car - A smaller Rolls-Royce to sit below the Phantom. RR sales will expand, a preview of the new Small car is expected to be seen in September at the IAA.<br>One thing we will never do , discussed but found to inadequate for the Rolls-Royce marque is a Rolls-Royce interpretation of a SUV . We do that we kill the marque and it's history and tradition.<p>

scott26
04-12-2005, 01:14 PM
RFK (Room functional concept)<p>The RFK is BMW's interpretation of what a space functional concept vehicle or as it is known in development the BMW's interpretation of Space travel should be. The RFK is also a first step in BMW defining new niches with unique products that take the next step as BMW designers are currently shaping the future . Extending the design language and exploring all avenues and possibilities for future products.<br>BMW now appeals to the individual customer now that is why we are the worlds successful Car company.<p><br>The RFK is seen as a niche product much in the vein of the X5 as well as filling out the product portfolio with our usual products. BMW are developing a portfolio of unique "mobile communication statements". The design does the talking in this portfolio of models which will appear in our long term strategy including unique groundbreaking ideas. So, the Xcoupe was not just a styling exercise. That concept still has an agenda.<br>In the future BMW will offer a unique vehicle in each class as we differentiate from the competition , Think how Mercedes are launching the CLS<br>Because BMW proved a radical design could break open the segment. <p><br>BMW see the RFK as a car with no challengers. They are not concerned by the R-Klasse. They know what it is like now and see their product as different . BMW have took RFK design ideas further compared to the R-Klasse which looks like a SUV mini van or a mini bus.<br>The RFK will be a sleek fastback coupe like vehicle although it will not be as spacious or plain as the R-Klasse ( which is aimed at the US )<br>The RFK will appear to the continental european . It will drive like a car , handle like a car and have same weight distribution as a car. <p>The RFK is a very exciting product for BMW, because they know that when the RFK arrives in 2008 the MB R-Klasse will be already established. Not only will BMW offer a vehicle that is unique, not only in design, but also in handling, construction, interior and technology.<p>BMW have taken a new approach to this segment and are hoping to reap the rewards when the car goes on sale. Of course it is well to remember that BMW's last niche vehicle from tradition the X5 has been a tremendous market success. BMW are hoping that when the RFK eventually hits the market that the success is repeated. We want to release two RFKs in intervals  each based on different size platforms.<p><br>It is still early but although the groundwork and development are beginning <br>There is much talk of what to call the RFK. V is the prefered choice. So, the RFK might get the V designation - on strong emphasis on versatile instead of van, but there is still time to change priority. The design itself will proclaim that this is not a van. When this car gets unveiled it will be ahead of it's time.<p><br>The RFK is expected to feature a V8 and a twin turbo V8 petrol. A diesel the top engine will be a twin turbo V10 diesel tuned for performance developed from the upcoming V10 diesel. <br>BMW do not want the RFK to have the top line powerplants and leave it at that. They want the car to be a BMW a new progression for BMW but it has to have the character and ability, so desired in a BMW. <br>Rumours that the car will introduce V6 engines is Bull****.<br>BMW do not believe in V6 engines. A V6 is not to our priorities, because we use inline six cylinder engines. That is essentially part of our mantra: Defy convention of other car manufacturers. <p>RFK is a true 21st century vehicle. The styling sets up for the next generation of BMW. <br>We make sport sedans, coupes, tourings and SAV's, so we will not be different with the RFK. We want to make a sporty niche premium vehicle: competent, dynamic and alien in the market. And the RFK is it. The RFK will be positioned as another sporting product from BMW.<br>Driver and passengers will experience a special, individual feeling of space, combined with the dynamic performance and elegant, sporty look, which are associated with the BMW brand.<p>Btw, some of these new engines, that I have mentioned, have just entered design and prototype stage. What I am taking from is decision on paper with what they want and what they are beginning to design.<br>Internally the new diesels are described as M diesels - although in concept and idea only! Hence the emphasis on performance.<p>The first engineering prototypes are being developed on extended 5er Tourings and 7ers. <br>Along with full integration of i-drive apart from major functions the RFK will also spearhead at i-drive functions that will download into the key from home or office terminals, so all settings are stored for each user of the car. This include vehicle settings, seats, routes, drive preparation, music. The in RFK built technology will also be the signal to the forthcoming 7er in 2008 <p>To showcase further individuality, BMW would like to offer hydrogen power as they believe a radical car would compare well with radical technology and hydrogen power could well be a strong candiate in the not so distant future.<br>The use of carbon fibre will feature such as the roof structure which will entail low centre of gravity for better handling and performance.<br>Space, Performance and innovation will be it's identity.<p><br>The interior is planned to offer a 2-3-2 seating or strict 5 seater arrangement, Long wheel base is to be decided but might be offered or not a central seat in the rear passenger compartment is also under discussion. Be under no illusion that The rear two seats are for adults. They will mainly be for small children. BMW are have legislation for rear suicide doors as this would mark out the concept as unique, daring and adventurous amongst the competition. Safety will of course be a high priority with multiple airbags and a new safety system being developed now for future BMW's<p>The RFK will also enhance the BMW design language forward it will be a postmodern futuristic vehicle. <br>The AutoBild Huckfeldt's pictures are roughly 94,95% correct. The scale is wrong, but not the height. This thing sits long and low. Again this is why R-Klasse looks like a Minivan or SUV compared to the RFK. The rear picture of the car is more to scale. <p>The front will feature headlamps that curve into the front of the car to the prominent stand out twin kidney grille. You cannot see the front details very well in those pictures. Some images showing a 3er , 5er face are way off the mark.<br>And whilst other manufacturers are looking at super wagons, BMW reckon this would be commercial suicide. BMW will whet the appetite for the RFK with a concept for this years IAA as they want to show that they are not developing a " Van".<p>The car should be ready for launch in 2008. <br>The vehicle will be produced in our German plant network, for the parts, components and architectures will have features in common with the BMW brand models produced in this country. Moreover, we are expecting demand for this space-functional automobile to be strongest in Europe at the moment. <br>

Uberwagon
04-12-2005, 11:25 PM
Bravo! <p>I'm extremely curious how the North American market reacts to the RFK. Utility is in deman here but, in the design language of the moment, consumers here seldom associate sport or performance with a spacious, wagon-like vehicle. BMW will find a way to break that mold, I have no doubt. Thanks Scott!

scott26
04-13-2005, 12:56 PM
With the X3 although the press relate the car is selling poorly - again this is press speculation .<br>The X3 is selling well with countries experiencing waiting lists for several models. All markets are not complete as yet. More than 90.000 units were sold in 2004. It's definitely a success. The X3 was designed to appeal to the successful young individual who likes getting away for the weekend.<br>This Sport Activity vehicle is aimed at the successful extreme sports weekend lovers who snowboard etc...<br>The X3 has never been commented on is it's durability. The unpainted bumpers are there to protect the car when it ventures off road for example a beach , or a mountainside . regular paintwork damaged by stones would be chipped and scratched - X3 offers a more durable material for such ventures. It is the same of the interior - Some plastics might not be up to BMW standards as reported but again they are hard wearing and durable.<br>The X3 has successfully entered it's market and fullfilled it's obligations and has staked it's core segment. <br>Now our rivals are catching up this area of the market.<p>The X3 will get a smaller makeover before the new X5 arrives in mid 2006 - to adopt more of future X-family design characteristics.<br>In the meantime two top line models will arrive to top the X3 range off. Mainly the iS and the 3.5d. BMW reckons that the 3.5d will be a sales success in Europe were high performance diesels are rapidly rising in sales success. Minor specification details and cosmetic changes mark out the top models from the other X3 models in the range.<p>The next X5 will make the marketing and segment of the X3 become much more clearer as the next X5 expands up a class. <p><br>The X5 is the epitome of the perfect niche . If the product is right you build and they will come . The X5 has been a tremendous success for BMW <br>The next X5 will build on the success of the current model . but add some new features to expand it's market range.<p>Given the fact that Mercedes-Benz M-Klasse has had it's resurection Again the emphasis is really on road driving than off road. We will build on it's huge market base.<br>The X5 when it appears will make the X3 more understandable in market and price structure. The next X5 expands up a class. It will be bigger, roomier and more upscale than current model. , <p><br>The X5 design will extend a new family look for the X family. Inheritance will share some X-family styling cues such as chunky styling and the X-family c-pillar. The X5 will feature a shoulder line that runs round the c-pillar glass area, forms an angle at the base, and continues to form the shoulder line, concluding at the front wing where an intake will now feature. The front lights are more angular than before enhancing the sporty look and the dynamics of the new X5.<br>They sit between a wider kidney grille. The bonnet flows on to the top end of the grille. This curves and forms the hood line. The BMW roundel will be in place but again a flowing sculpture in the hood forms a stylized groove uptowards the windscreen. <p> A strong shoulder line that slices into the side of the car similar as a knife slices into butter is one of new elegant fatures of the design. The rear is more akin to BMW strong emphasis on family L-shape rear lights . It will be a strong evolution of todays car but will counter it's achilles heel - which is mainly passenger space and bootspace. As of the BMW norm big wheels will fill out the arches adding a purposeful dynamic character to the car.<p>Technology will feature I-drive, updated X-drive for more dynamic roadholding and active steering adapted to this sort of car are features that will appear. To maximize the spacial features of the new X5 It will feature 2 fold-away seats specifically for small children only in the rear compartment to take on rivals. The camouflage of the testing mule is good to hide it's proportions.<p>The new car will receive Petrol engines from I6 3.0i to V8 5.0i. Diesel will feature 3.0d, 3.5d and 4.0d (4.5d from 745d) . V12 is not considered as this would be to costly. No M version but another high performance model. will be going after the Cayenne Turbo and others.<br>When new Turbo petrol engines arriving these will be phased in as the top model.<br>New X5 arrives in mid 2006<p><br>

T.B.
04-13-2005, 01:27 PM
Scott, what about:<p>Z4 M - what engine will it have? When it comes? When facelift for Z4 - what changes? Will it get diesel engines? <p>Any Z4 coupe, and smaller or bigger car within Z-series in sight?<p>M3 really comes with 440HP, unlimited to 190mph. What is displacement of the new engine? Any news on CSL models?<p>When and what (characteristcis) turbo engines for 3er - AutoBild hints 350HP 330ii? When 3er coupe and 4er are coming?<p>Will V5 (RFK), X6 and 4er really come with carbon fibre roofs? Or with composit materials roofs?<p>Will 6er adopt diesel engines? When and what (3.5d and 4.5d?)<p>Any news about forthcoming 7er?<p>Thanks.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 1:28 AM 4/14/2005</i>

Roadster44
04-13-2005, 09:42 PM
Damn BMW is really on a mission here. I'd love to buy their stock right now, I'd love to work for them if I could. lol I am so impressed with their strategy, not everyone sees it, but man the end results just keep on proving people wrong.

RikfromBelgium
04-14-2005, 10:25 AM
Thx for the info Scott26, it looks like a very bright future for BMW <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

VexedandGlorious
04-14-2005, 12:35 PM
with all these new models coming, will they be left behind when the new BMW styling theme is unveiled, with the new 7 seris.

Fcuke
04-14-2005, 01:47 PM
BMW is doing what they've done the last 80~ years. Making revolution within the car world. Looking forward for some pictures of theese cars. Sounds great. I'm abit dissapointed that there won't be a Z4 Coupe tho, but I'll survive! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

shonguiz
04-16-2005, 08:39 AM
Will they use the w16 or the v12 on the next corniche/100ex ?

RikfromBelgium
04-16-2005, 08:42 AM
The V12, I don't think the V16 will make it to production

scott26
04-16-2005, 03:01 PM
Motorsport and experiMental.<p><br>The M car is the flagship of the BMW products. By very much a tradition . Allbeit a very successful tradition the next car will build on the success of the first but like in every generation of Mcar an increase in performance, technology, control , handling and capability.<br>M division is not about standing still we are constantly developing the next line of performance cars for BMW. Even if the new developments eclipse the latest developments in a newly released model - Progress is constant.<p>Although the media are content on the emphasis of the " Horsepower war " between Germany's luxury car makers At BMW we approach this with caution - We want our products to be memorable , desirable and capable . BMW M and AMG phillosophy differs from the fact that the Motorsport cars are developed from the core product simulating individuality an M5 is not a regular 5er although it takes the best bits and develops them further making the end product a different type of vehicle. <p><br>As the saying goes: Power corrupts - Knowing all to well the Mercedes AMG's with their straight line speed .M division sees no need to compete with AMG. We do not see AMG cars as rivals for our own . Ours are more individual products . That is why we have no interest in a M engined 7er <br>For a start that the current car does not fit in with our phillosophy and we have no need for such a car .<br>To fit in with our front line and individual approach to performance . BMW all to aware that less weight is the key to formulating success in this market and have considerably moved the goal posts and it is the Bavarians who score each time. <p>BMW like to experiment using lightweight components, alluminium, magnesium carbon fibre and composite plastics all being developed into the M-cars to enhance the car more than adding more unrealistic power . It's all in the Sheer driving pleasure factor. By experimenting with lightweight materials we <br>are experimenting on making an exceptional road car - Due to safety legislations, crash developments cars are expanding on weight . By experimenting with lightweight materials we are beginning the foundation to incorporate these ideas into production cars. Carbon fibre is one way to go as is Alluminium and Magnesium<br>etc...<p>Although having launched the M5 to critical acclaim and with the new M6 arriving any day now.<br>The progression will continue as BMW are looking at An expansion of it's M division sales. Such as formulating the return of Touring to the M portfolio. Purists and traditionalists may add that the M brand might lose it's lustre and mystery because of it's expanded product plan. But we can be successful if we stick to our current phillosophy .<p><br> An M5 Touring will eclipse losing market share for BMW allbeit a very small percentage of market share - all to aware that customers wanting a high performance wagon leave to our competitors when BMW who have the ultimate performance sedan cannot provide for their customers. We can no longer stand by and watch that, This will no longer be the case.<p> BMW reckon that they have the ultimate product in the sedan and the Touring is a very logical step. <br>All too aware that there is a brace of Audi Avants coming both in RS4 and RS6, and Mercedes-Benz thinking of counter attacking with 6.5 AMG E-Klasse to regain some sort of power control of the high performance luxury sedan and wagon market.<p><br>The wagon will have a significant weight increase because of it's purpose but BMW are working to make this a benefit to the overall handling of the Touring. By placing more weight over the rear of the car will allow the responses to be tuned for sharper handling than it's competitors - Just because you have been to ikea and you have a dog in the back doesent mean that you are going to miss out on the sedans abilities because you opted for the Touring.<p>By experimenting with a M5 Touring it also allows for BMW to evaluate the smaller performance wagon market with the first incarnation of an M3 Touring. If this happens it would be the last M model of the 3er product range. We cannot sit back and watch any longer as bystanders in this segment.<p><br> The next M3 as always will be the flagship of the 3er portfolio. And will be available as coupe, sedan and then a high performance touring version.<br>The reintroduction of a sedan and the introduction of a Touring was chosen because we realise we are losing customers who want the practicality . The logical choice would be Alpina but many defect to other manufacturers.<p>The next M3 will receive a high rev V8 evolved from the latest V10 - Basically two cylinders removed but no less spectacular.<br>due to increasing competition ,power up to either 420 - 440 BHP specified , top speed could be unlimited up to 180 or 190mph. Seven speed SMG.<p>The next M3 is all about progress - We upgrade the current car (E46) to todays requirements , add tweak here, more developments , new materials and remove some weight from there.<br> <br>The Coupe is expected to follow the M6 with a carbon fibre roof however both a metal roof and carbon fibre are being tested to see which one emphasizes the cars capabilities. as it will be positioned as the top M3 variant. More use of cabrbon fibre and composite plastic as seen with M6. Structure and chassis will benefit with use of alluminium for exceptional ride quality , rigidity and handling.<br> <br>The hard top Coupe-Cabrio (3er cabrio replacement) will be known as the 4er. An M4 variant with same engine will follow later.<br>The entire roof structure will differ from production cars alluminium top by using a full carbon fibre top.<p>First up will be a long awaited BMW Z4 M roadster. Surprisingly this car has been resuurected to challenge it's rivals in the roadster segment of the market. An area BMW were convinced that the Z4 need not apply. With the advent of new Boxster and SLK , The need to offer nothing more than a six cylinder engine has now been eclipsed . The Z4 will arrive as will a small noticeable facelift for the car which is mainly slight tweaks , such as the inclusion of clear indicators and updated headlights and a small areodynamic tweak. BMW seeing that the car does not really need much changing as it still looks fresh and has immediate presence. The M Roadster will feature the current E46's six cylinder straight six again with 343bhp. The M styling will introduce a substantial M package including sculpted sills , diffuser, a raised tailgate spoiler for down force and quad exhausts.<br>The M package will enhance already which is a very arresting presence.<br> <br>The new M6 cabrio will make it's world debut at this Septembers IAA Frankfurt. The M6 Cabrio will of course take the fight to MB AMG SL's both 55 and 65 - BMW seeing the M6 as more car for less than the SL65. And more of an individual product . Although lacking the coupes innovative carbon fibre roof The structure has been developed to handle the power and the loss of the roof is no major concern. Extra development on handling and increasing rigidity has been successfully completed and will greatly benefit.<p>BMW have also now introduced a development period to investigate the possibilty of a range topping roadster - a sort of modern interpretation of the Z8 . <br>The M5 and M6's V10 is expected to be the powerplant of choice - But with the new V10 - the engine can be developed further - increasing the prospect of the car - The overall concept is purely experimental with an alluminium frame - an up to date version of the previous Z8 and a unique folding carbon fibre roof . Light weight construction will give the car a low center of gravity , exceptional rigidity and superior handling and ride control. A modern flagship for BMW at less the cost than rivals . This if given the go ahead for production will reach the market in 2008.<br>Stylling will takes it's cues from the Hydrogen H2R concept. <br>However the car that has been chosen for full scale model is the designworks proposal.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scott26 at 4:20 PM 4/16/2005</i>

T.B.
04-16-2005, 05:25 PM
Thanx, scott26. Really great stuff ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Btw, still missing: <br>- will (and when) 6er and Z4 get diesel engines?<br>- will (and when) there be a 3er with turbo petrol engine (330ii with 350HP?)?<br>- when 3er coupe and 4er are coming?<br>- will crossover also feature a carbon fibre roof?<br>- any news about CSL M models?<br>- any news on next 7er?<p>And finally - is the proposed Z8 successor similar to these sketches / CGIs here: <br><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14737&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=1</A> <p>

Top Secret
04-16-2005, 06:52 PM
Hmm...you say yourself that the M Division does not see AMG as it's competitor, but you continually say stuff about the E-Class and the SLK, which I'm guessing are the AMG models?

RikfromBelgium
04-17-2005, 06:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanx, scott26. Really great stuff ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Btw, still missing: <br>- will crossover also feature a carbon fibre roof?<p><br>And finally - is the proposed Z8 successor similar to these sketches / CGIs here: <br><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14737&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=1</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>He already said that they will have CF <br>and he also said the "Z8" will look like the impressions <br>JOY <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

T.B.
04-17-2005, 11:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>He already said that they will have CF <br>and he also said the "Z8" will look like the impressions <br>JOY <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>As I recall he said the RFK will feature CF roof - but crossover was not mentioned. <br>As for "Z8" - scott26 said the car chosen for full scale model was a Designworks proposal - but we could only guess it was a California Spyder concept.<p>Or have I missed something? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
04-17-2005, 11:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>As I recall he said the RFK will feature CF roof - but crossover was not mentioned. <br>As for "Z8" - scott26 said the car chosen for full scale model was a Designworks proposal - but we could only guess it was a California Spyder concept.<p>Or have I missed something? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However the car that has been chosen for full scale model is the designworks proposal.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>This can only mean those sketches.<br>As for the Crossover, it seems only natural that if the use CF on the larger RFK they will use it on the X6, certainly since it is supposed to be more sporty. I do think he mentioned that, but it could be I'm mistaken <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

scott26
04-19-2005, 11:25 AM
2006 will begin the reintroduction of petrol turbo charged engines to BMW's product port folio.<p> Kicking off will be the introduction of the 335i which will feature an inline six cylinder engine with twin turbo chargers one to boost low end torque the other enhance the performance coupled with VANOS and Valvetronic. Output of the car will be of 330 BHP .<p>The BMW 335i will be available as sedan , coupe , touring and eventually the coupe cabrio.<p>The BMW 335i will essentially top the range along with the acclaimed diesel powerplant that will feature as 335d. These will top the range until the flagship M3 arrives.<p>X drive is not considered for the 335i.<p>The engine is also being considered for other products but the diesel will be introduced in the 6er coupe as well in 2006.<p>Turbo charging has been a long time coming although already established in BMW's diesel products,<br>Resorting to petrol powered turbo engines has been lengthy development process . But the engines were developed on BMW's terms. BMW's knowhow of the diesel transfered to petrol powerplants.<p> BMW's passion for new developments decreased weight of powerplant to eradicate a heavy front nose and not to lose the character but add a new dimension to their performance and be more - smooth , responsive and economical than the competition.. <p>Along with the new powerplant will see the awaited introduction Of BMW's ZSG double-clutch gearbox. As well as the 335i - This is expected to be a feature of the M2 along with a manual six speeder as it recreates the iconic handling and quality as the E30 M3. <p>The six cylinder twin turbo charged engine will expand to a twin turbo 8 cylinder V8 , a twin turbo V12 is an idea on the table for the next 7er as is a variation of a twin turbo V16 developed from Rolls-Royce to top the next 7er. Which would eclipse the Mercedes S-Klasse.<p>BMW are also considering the addition of Hydrogen powered turbos in the near future.

JAZZYG
04-20-2005, 07:43 AM
Hi scott26!<br>Do you have any idea of the approximate power output of the twin turbo V8 under development? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Also if you can, tell us a little more about this ZSG gearbox! Is it similar to the audi DSG?

BMW MFreak
04-23-2005, 09:00 AM
The proof! :)<p><A HREF="http://img248.echo.cx/my.php?image=ng6project29hm.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img248.echo.cx/img248/7835/ng6project29hm.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2006 will begin the reintroduction of petrol turbo charged engines to BMW's product port folio.<p> Kicking off will be the introduction of the 335i which will feature an inline six cylinder engine with twin turbo chargers one to boost low end torque the other enhance the performance coupled with VANOS and Valvetronic. Output of the car will be of 330 BHP .<p>The BMW 335i will be available as sedan , coupe , touring and eventually the coupe cabrio.<p>The BMW 335i will essentially top the range along with the acclaimed diesel powerplant that will feature as 335d. These will top the range until the flagship M3 arrives.<p>X drive is not considered for the 335i.<p>The engine is also being considered for other products but the diesel will be introduced in the 6er coupe as well in 2006.<p>Turbo charging has been a long time coming although already established in BMW's diesel products,<br>Resorting to petrol powered turbo engines has been lengthy development process . But the engines were developed on BMW's terms. BMW's knowhow of the diesel transfered to petrol powerplants.<p> BMW's passion for new developments decreased weight of powerplant to eradicate a heavy front nose and not to lose the character but add a new dimension to their performance and be more - smooth , responsive and economical than the competition.. <p>Along with the new powerplant will see the awaited introduction Of BMW's ZSG double-clutch gearbox. As well as the 335i - This is expected to be a feature of the M2 along with a manual six speeder as it recreates the iconic handling and quality as the E30 M3. <p>The six cylinder twin turbo charged engine will expand to a twin turbo 8 cylinder V8 , a twin turbo V12 is an idea on the table for the next 7er as is a variation of a twin turbo V16 developed from Rolls-Royce to top the next 7er. Which would eclipse the Mercedes S-Klasse.<p>BMW are also considering the addition of Hydrogen powered turbos in the near future.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Seller Automotive
04-24-2005, 10:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JAZZYG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi scott26!<br>Do you have any idea of the approximate power output of the twin turbo V8 under development? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Also if you can, tell us a little more about this ZSG gearbox! Is it similar to the audi DSG?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont know if anyone has already said this.. but, The upcomming 2008 Lotus Esprit has been rumored for some time now to be using a Twin Turbo version of the BMW 5.0 liter V8 used in the previous BMW M5. Could this also be a future BMW Engine?<p>Perhaps Lotus in return is helping BMW with some suspension/handling knowledge on a future Supercar?

PlatForm
04-26-2005, 07:32 AM
i had read a Chris Bangle article that they going to produce Z8...while Z9 will be only a concept car.

shonguiz
04-30-2005, 01:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">variation of a twin turbo V16 developed from Rolls-Royce </TD></TR></TABLE><br>It is a true developement of a true engine or you talk about the engine supposed to be a v16 wich was used in the 100EX ?

shonguiz
05-05-2005, 02:01 AM
Scott, can you confirm us that a future 8 series will be bullit on L6 platform ??

art0
05-06-2005, 12:02 AM
Interesting article about M5 estate<br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/56522/m5_carrier_bagged.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A> <p>few photos are here:<br><A HREF="http://www.motogazeta.mojeauto.pl/cms/index.php/16367" TARGET="_blank">http://www.motogazeta.mojeauto...16367</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by art0 at 9:48 AM 5/6/2005</i>

scott26
05-06-2005, 12:54 PM
Now that Rolls-Royce is moving in the right direction it is time to integrate a premium strategy for the marque.<br>First up in the expansion of Rolls-Royce is the production version of the 100 EX concept car expected to be tagged <br>as the new " Corniche" As of tradition and heritage of Rolls-Royce motor cars.<p>The production version of the 100 EX is virtually unchanged except for some minor detail updates.<br>For example larger front lights and a painted bonnet. The suicidal front doors stay unique to <br>the production car.<p>If we ignored the potential of the 100 EX as a production car then we would kill our investment in Rolls-Royce. <br>BMW / Rolls-Royce so far have two years worth of interest in this particular model - not only from the entertainment <br>industry but Rolls-Royce enthusiasts have thrown their interest into the ring.<br>The car will be expensive - But for these clients that will not be a problem. <p>Modern interpretation of the "Silver Shadow"<p>Next up will be a smaller Rolls-Royce positioned above the Bentley Flying Spur ( see related article )<br>If the Phantom is for the CEO then the smaller limousine will be for the VP.<br>The smaller Rolls-Royce will offer the qualities introduced in the Phantom but in a smaller package <br>BMW see this car positioned above the Bentley not compete directly with it.<br>For the overall look think of the " Silver Shadow " and you get the idea BMW are aiming to.<br>That responsibility will be due to the flexibility of the next platform which will arrive from the next 7er <p>"Bentley Fighter" <p>Expected to be spawn off the smaller sedan will be the "Bentley fighter" A sleeker , low , dynamic fastback GT.<p>The " Bentley Fighter " will showcase exclusivity and subtle performance. It's for the client who reckons <br>BMW 's products are too everyman. <p>The main powerplant Like the Shadow is expected to be a variation of the BMW NG twin turbo V8 or a V12. <p>Rolls-Royce will use BMW engines<br>but be " Progressed " further to individualize them from the core BMW powerplants. <br>But by going on tradition it is possible that history might be repeated with Alpina progressing the engines<br>as they previously done for Rolls-Royce in the past.<br> <br>Think of an updated Silver wraith as some design features of the Silver wraith are beautifully represented. <br>The overall look is of a sleek fastback with a lower front end , sloping inwards greek temple grille , <br>wrap around headlights that form onto the wheel arches . A long side intake will feature in both front wings.<br>Faired in and enclosed rear lights and a high deck , the glass area is very sleek <p>If both projects get the green light again all construction will be completed in Germany with final developments <br>taking place at Goodwood.<p>one thing we will never do. A Rolls-Royce interpretation of a SUV was discussed but found to inadequate for the Rolls-Royce marque. If we did that we would kill the marque and its history and tradition.<p><br>Rolls-Royce is an icon and it is not a volume car. Because we are only selling small quantities, people deem the company to be unsuccessful. When production begins on additional models including a smaller Silver Shadow type car - a smaller Rolls-Royce is to sit below the Phantom - RR sales will expand. A a preview of the new small car is expected to be seen in September at the IAA Frankfurt. This will show the intention of the expansion of the Rolls-Royce marque. <p>

Naga Royal Guard
05-06-2005, 01:05 PM
bently is smoking rolls royce w/ the continental GT

shonguiz
05-07-2005, 05:10 AM
Scott, can you confirm the developpment of a nex 8 series on L6 platform ?? (platform of the next 7 and 5)

shonguiz
05-27-2005, 01:41 AM
It seems that BMW will buy the team Sauber-petroas.

scott26
06-13-2005, 03:58 PM
Enter the Hydrogen Age.<p>Far from plans of Hybrid mercedes and future incarnations of hybrid Lexus.<br>BMW will take the bull by the horns and announce at this years IAA the Hydrogen powered 7er. As promised before that a hydrogen powered 7er will arrive in E65 platform.<p>The car will be expected on sale in Germany by next summer.<br>The 7er will mark the roll out of a Hydrogen powered variant of each BMW model eventually - al;though some cars will not make it in current generation.<p>Given the development and expertise on the entire clean energy project <br>a Hydrogen powerd 6er is also a possibility but as of now not a certainty.<p>With the socially concious Lexus Rx making waves at the current time. <br>BMW will counter attack with a hydrogen powered X5 in the next model.<br>Such a vehicle will be essential for the changing of perceptions regarding such status on Sport Activity vehicles. The future RFK and SAC are also short listed for hydrogen power.<p>

Naga Royal Guard
06-13-2005, 04:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Enter the Hydrogen Age.<p>Far from plans of Hybrid mercedes and future incarnations of hybrid Lexus.<br>BMW will take the bull by the horns and announce at this years IAA the Hydrogen powered 7er. As promised before that a hydrogen powered 7er will arrive in E65 platform.<p>The car will be expected on sale in Germany by next summer.<br>The 7er will mark the roll out of a Hydrogen powered variant of each BMW model eventually - al;though some cars will not make it in current generation.<p>Given the development and expertise on the entire clean energy project <br>a Hydrogen powerd 6er is also a possibility but as of now not a certainty.<p>With the socially concious Lexus Rx making waves at the current time. <br>BMW will counter attack with a hydrogen powered X5 in the next model.<br>Such a vehicle will be essential for the changing of perceptions regarding such status on Sport Activity vehicles. The future RFK and SAC are also short listed for hydrogen power.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>focus on the entirety of the automotive industry<p>BMW isnt doing it w/o GM

conan
06-13-2005, 07:57 PM
Scott26, can you tell us what changes will the facelifted Z4 have? Many thanks in advance..

taskbearer
06-14-2005, 11:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Enter the Hydrogen Age.<p><br>With the socially concious Lexus Rx making waves at the current time. <br>BMW will counter attack with a hydrogen powered X5 in the next model.<br>Such a vehicle will be essential for the changing of perceptions regarding such status on Sport Activity vehicles. The future RFK and SAC are also short listed for hydrogen power.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Where would the owners of these vehicles refuel? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> These so called H2 powered vehicles are just for PR purposes and media buzz. Atleast the Lexus produces real results and can be refuel anywhere from siberia to the sahara desert. IMO I don't care about any hydrogen powered ICE cars at this moment. Other more realistic models generate more interest like what would the fuel economy to performance ratio be between a BMW 5330i and a 540d.

RikfromBelgium
06-15-2005, 04:55 AM
Hydrogen stations are being build across Europe. And these cars can also drive on normal fuel.

taskbearer
06-15-2005, 10:48 AM
Yes they are being built, but they don't solve any problem yet. Driving a hybrid atleast saves a little if not insignificant amount of fuel and it does pollute less. Driving a hydrogen cumbustion car does not improve mileage nor reduce pollution cause the hydrogen you're using is likely produced from natural gas. a process that pollute 4 times as much than producing petrol and running the car on gas negates the purpose. The hydrogen ability just seats there with no use just added costs and should I mention that theres no way H2 would be cheaper than petrol even in europe.

RikfromBelgium
06-15-2005, 11:03 AM
The hydrogen-engines that BMW used in it's 7 series testmodels had 0 emissions. This new oncomming generation will only release vaper, nothing more. <br>Furthermore, the problem is that one brand has to begin by selling them. They don't build enough stations, because there aren't enough hyd. cars and v.v.<br>I also think that the first cars sold will be mostly for promotional purposes, country-leaders, but once it gets rolling you will see a rapid rise of Hydrogen stations, which will react in a drop in prices.

Bullsfan
06-15-2005, 11:19 PM
does anyone know if the 550i will come with awd? Also, when is the expected release date for the United States?<br>

iamalittlepepper
06-17-2005, 02:16 AM
Probably fall?Remember BMW's MY starts after Octoberfest/summerbreak.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bullsfan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does anyone know if the 550i will come with awd? Also, when is the expected release date for the United States?</TD></TR></TABLE>

scott26
08-26-2005, 11:18 AM
3 INTO 7 DOES GO<p>Challenging , awkward , incoherent or just plain ugly are some of the attributes that BMW have endured in their challenging " car from another star " E65/E66 7er . while the term alien surrounded it's identity when it was introduced. <p>it's radicality did not sit right in a wholly conservative segment and market.<br>with the dawn of the rise of wealth in Asia . The 7er rose to the challenge and found it's bearing in a developing market appealing to prospectors in technolgical areas such as computing and electronics who identified with the cars - reported complex controls.<p>As the competition saw BMW take huge share of Asian markets whilst other contenders were not so successful - A move apparently that can be seen in the new mercedes-S-Klasse - Radicality , technologically advanced and a new interpretation of a driver interface shows that mercedes are square set on challenging one of the major markets for luxury cars<br>and the reputation of the BMW 7er in Asia.<p>Whilst the facelifted 7er introduced earlier this year has seen a european pick of sales , The 7er is not the doom prospect that everyone was predicting. It is the most successful 7er to date and has introduced younger customers to this segment than normally a luxury car of this magnatude appeals to.<p>when the next 7er appears in early 2009. This this will be the most challenging 7er yet. As well as a regular luxury sedan , a longer wheelbase car will feature different styling - look more elegant , luxurious as the standard model will take a more sporting approach . A third spin off will be a low slung 4 dr coupe which could take suicide doors and a 9 or 8 series badge. <p>In design the radical approach is very much in element - snake like eyes surround a widened twin kidney grille . The whole rear end of the car lifts up with the trunk lid now part of the rear wings - a strong shoulder line connects the mid section of the body and the rear lights wrap onto the bootlid. The LWB features larger shaped front lights and a long light strip along the rear trunk lid. Engines will start from new V8 including twin turbo , petrol and diesel , a new twin turbo V12 and next generation top line diesel engine , hydrogen power will also be available from the start of production.<p> And then finally Because of the proposals of using lightweight efficiency the 7er will be engineered to be lighter than it's previous incarnations. The new 7er will also commit platform modules that will be shared with the new small Rolls-Royce.<p>With the advance to make the 7er more lighter the next generation car will eventually herald the arrival of an M7.<p>

scott26
08-26-2005, 11:50 AM
1 - 2 - 3,4,5<p>2007 will see the first variant planned off the 1er e87 platform . which will be known as the 2er. Why 2er - BMW see this as they seen the relaunch of the 6er coupe and cabrio . A new model whithout any iconic reputation to hold on to. as was the dilemma from 4er to 3er. <br>Although BMW would like customers to see that the 2er is the much loved classic 2002 reinvented for the present.<p>So much excitement is aimed at the 2er that the coupe and cabrio will follow the pattern shown by the 6er coupe and cabrio. coupe first then followed four months later with the cabrio. The styling stays true to the CS1 concept car except the 2er gets smaller sleeker front lamps and flattened shapely twin kidney grille . The rear stays to the same as the CS1. <p>Much change has occurred to the initial product plan - The proposed 1er sedan and touring have now been axed for fears of competing with lower based 3er sedan and touring. in it's place comes an entry level roadster - BMW's true Miata chaser and an interesting 3dr fastback which recalls the original 1800/2000 touring. <p>based on the incoming coupe a sleek roof folds back on to the rear deck with a sloping glass tailgate a targa sliding roof is a feature that has made the possibilities for production. the initial project came about as a designer just decided to add it on the a cabrio design - they saw the drawing and where convinced on the spot of the potential - The design does look good.<p>And with a coupe version of the Z4 expected quite soon the touring could be seen as a younger family member.<p>The crowning achievement will arrive in the shape of the 2008 M powered cars.<br>With development beginning on a new engine to replace the current and now classic M3 six cylinder the new engine will be based on the new six cylinder n-gen engine , Regular cars will also see arrival of a 235i turbo as seen in the forthcoming 135i.<p>With the disappointment of no US sales for the current 1er . The 2er will be sold in the USA as BMW know how iconic the 2002 is amongst US enthusiasts. And of course that such lifestyle cars will be extremely profitable in the USA.<p>

T.B.
08-26-2005, 11:55 AM
Really exciting, Scott.<p>What about new 7er's interior design and controls? <p>And can you be more specific on this info - I just can't imagine the whole thing: <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">snake like eyes surround a widened twin kidney grille ... strong shoulder line connects the mid section of the body and the rear lights wrap onto the bootlid</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Is the car going to look like the CGI (based on leaked sketches) AMS posted a while ago?<p><A HREF="http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmwconcept23hn.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7471/bmwconcept23hn.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>And BMW finally realised they just HAVE TO enter the promising 4-door coupe segment. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 3:44 PM 8/27/2005</i>

shonguiz
08-29-2005, 11:37 AM
I don't understantd one thing, how match power the new m engine will developp if we already know that the the futur customer of an 135i/235i will dispose off 330hp ?????????

scott26
09-01-2005, 03:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't understantd one thing, how match power the new m engine will developp if we already know that the the futur customer of an 135i/235i will dispose off 330hp ?????????</TD></TR></TABLE><p>When the M2 arrives in 2008. the M5 and M6 will be four years old and the M3 will have a year on market. It is to suggest that next generation of these cars will get higher outputs . I am speculating here because no one has even discussed what the output the next gen. M5 will get.<p>But it is possible for the M2 to get 320 - 350 BHP to fill in the gaps .<br>The engine will be developed off the new next gen six cylinder, same concept as the current M3 as it was built off the previous six cylinder block.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2K at 12:00 AM 9/2/2005</i>

scott26
09-01-2005, 04:12 PM
Completing the jigsaw .<p>The 3er coupe and coupe cabrio.<p>2006 will top and tail with the Geneva launch of the new 3er coupe codenamed E92 and the revolutionary coupe-cabrio E93 in late 2006.<br>To understand the philosophy of the coupe it's ideas come forward in the current 6er coupe. Understanding the success of this car BMW challenged their designers to put forward this thinking for the 3er coupe. <br>Originally planned to be as the BMW 4er to further fit with the 6er in segments above it's usual place . The plan was to really differentiate the car from it's core module the E90 sedan. <p>A look Back to the future<p>The understand the design of the new 3er coupe you can look at how the 6er is different or you can look back to see how the E36 coupe developed from the E36 sedan. emerging sleeker and more performance orientated .<br>A strong look that has transferred over to the new car with a rounded roof forming over a strong passenger cell , The rear of the car forms a kinship with the 6er coupe and the forthcoming E87 based coupe in the way that prominent BMW badge stands in the centre of the bootlid placing the number plate down in the bumper. <p>An idea developed for the 4er (originally) was a rear bootlid in which the rear light units were positioned on the rear bootlid , not wrapping around the rear wings. With the bootlid sharing comparison with the 6er , the idea was replaced by the same design but a more original bootlid and rear lights that wrap around the rear wings. The idea it appears was too costly for production , another idea rejected included the adoption of frameless windows like the CLK mercedes-benz. Unfortunately this hampered the overall structure and stiffness of the car again the idea was rejected.<p>The front features a sleeker front from the E90 sedan with smaller and more shapely headlights - again BMW's coupes forming a relationship a wider twin kidney geille is placed lower than the sedan - similar to the 6er ,<br>The new coupe is very low like the 6er giving the impression that this car is more performance orientated than the elegant CLK.<p>The coupe will of course be topped by the powerhouse M3 ( the deathknell of calling the car 4er) Other powerplants will include the forthcoming six cylinder turbo , the current six cylinder powerplants seen in the E90 .<br>Diesel power will feature strongly in the new Coupe especially due to the success of the E46 coupe. expect the current 2.0, 3.0 diesel and the twin turbo <br>335d. Lower engines are not confirmed due to the marketing of this car.<br>

shonguiz
09-02-2005, 05:54 AM
But if you agree about a possibility of an m2/m1, you cannot in the same time agree about a possibility of 135/235i, the power's level are too close (330 PS for the the 235/135i and 320-350 ps for the m1/m2), and even if they abondon the NG6T, the potential M2 engine will be simply the S54 but in updated version (more clean and reliable), becose developping an all new engine will not be profitable.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When the M2 arrives in 2008. the M5 and M6 will be four years old and the M3 will have a year on market. It is to suggest that next generation of these cars will get higher outputs . I am speculating here because no one has even discussed what the output the next gen. M5 will get.<p>But it is possible for the M2 to get 320 - 350 BHP to fill in the gaps .<br>The engine will be developed off the new next gen six cylinder, same concept as the current M3 as it was built off the previous six cylinder block.<p><br><i>Modified by AM2K at 12:00 AM 9/2/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by shonguiz at 6:34 PM 9/2/2005</i>

T.B.
09-02-2005, 06:32 AM
shonguiz, have you thought of possibility of 135i / 235i could have detuned versions of 3.0L I6 twin-turo petrol engines, producing 290-300hp? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

shonguiz
09-02-2005, 09:59 AM
In that case power of Mversion is still too close to the turbo version and more close to the normal 3.0 L6 (265 ps). And even when you don't agree with this point you have to think about the profitability of such engine propositions, You have to know that even the potential M1 project has been canceled by the management board becoze the 1 series is not sold in the US and the US represents 50% of Motorsport Market, so If they produce the M1, they are not going to sell it enough to make profits. But Audi can make a powerful RS3 and in that case Munich will reconsider the M1 project. So if they hesitate to make a very powerful propostion of the 1 series wich is not profitable but very important to their image, i seriously doubt they will make 2 very powerful 1 series.

T.B.
09-02-2005, 10:18 AM
What seems logical to me is that BMW will make M2 (M version of 2-series: coupe definitely, cabrio possibly), but no M1 (M version of 1-series hatchback). Why? Because 2-series will be sold in the USA, while 1-series won't. So it is possible we will witness 135i - as high end 1-series model Sport, but no M1; and M2, but no 235i. <p>M is different philosophy - is more, core, more raw. Not only the engine is more sporty, but the susspension, steering and brakes are more of race cars.<p>Nevertheless, I think standard turbo engines will be a huge challenge for M-divison: they will have to produce even lighter and more powerful NA engines. Or finally shift to turbos. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

shonguiz
09-02-2005, 10:42 AM
In that case, i can be ok with you.

shonguiz
09-02-2005, 10:43 AM
No Turbo For Motorsport, not in a near future.

T.B.
09-05-2005, 03:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>No Turbo For Motorsport, not in a near future.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ulrich Bruhnke, M GmbH chief, said in an interview to Autobild (translated from German):<p><I>Q: "Which engine types suit "M" cars, and which don't?"<p>A: "Diesels for example are hardly accordant with our philosophy, but on the other hand, a sportingly oriented hybrid is not excluded. Also regarding turbo engines: it will be inappropriate to exclude them in advance - after all BMW once won a F1 Chapionship (in 1983) with a turbo engine. Only a supercahrger / compressor will never be seen in a "M" car - I can promise you that."</I><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=9480&artikel_seite=2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/test/ne...ite=2</A><br>

shonguiz
09-06-2005, 04:56 AM
Ok, becoze the same guy said in another interview that M engines will be always atmospheric but you know, all of them say that: "We will never do....". but they do it.

T.B.
09-06-2005, 05:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, becoze the same guy said in another interview that M engines will be always atmospheric but you know, all of them say that: "We will never do....". but they do it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I remeber that. Bruhnke said for BMW Magazine, M would stick to NA high-rev engines.<p>Here is a transcript: <A HREF="http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/printthread.php?t=46474" TARGET="_blank">http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...46474</A><p>Yeah, he should learn, he can't never say never again. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

scott26
09-16-2005, 02:22 PM
To Fix what is broken ?<p>It is of knowledge in media circles over the performance sales wise of the BMW Z4 Roadster in which true in some markets it is exceptional in others it fares poorly to competition like the SLK and Boxster - offering advantages to the Z4 disadvantages.<p>With the appearance of the BMW Z4 Coupe concept at the IAA , BMW are now setting out to fix what is broken.<br>( I knew the Z4 Coupe was to be unveiled but was not allowed to tell , even though I did ) <br>With the Z4 coupe BMW are indefinetly aiming straight at the growing small performance coupe market. With the SLK offering advantage of a fixed folding roof and Porsche now whetting appetites with the Boxster based Cayman S. <p>How does the Z4 Coupe aim to be above the Z4 Roadster ? For instance the car is a lot more stiffer , The weight disadvantages are not too much different and are very much in the same league , Lightweight material are heavily featured in the coupe especially in the distinctive roof .<br>The distinctive wheels are also confirmed for production . But BMW are setting out the coupe to drive differently from the roadster something that will really tackle the opposition.<p>The BMW Z4 Coupe or as it will be known ( Z4 CS - Coupe-sport) is exactly similar to the production car that will arrive in markets by Summer. Marketing has forbidden use of the lower roadster engines in the coupe - the Coupe will only receive the current new six cylinder engine and then BMW;s upcoming Twin turbo six cylinder , Do not rule out diesel , such engines are a possibility. There will definetly be a M-Powered coupe featuring the engine from the M3 CSL , along with distinctive M styling features such as quad tail-pipes.<p>BMW also have the idea for a completely lightweight MZ4 coupe (MZ4 CSL)- utilising carbon fibre roof and body panels and a lightweight interior , This will be distinctive from theother M model as it will run the BMW V10 engine from the M5/M6 - in production form 507 BHP - which would make for a crazy performance coupe - The Z4 coupes long bonnet easliy incorporates the V10 engine. Brakes will be tuned to match the collossal power output the car will give - BMW;s plans is to offer this for production as a ltd edition model. <p>The production car will be unveiled in January along with the Z4 roadster update and the M roadster,<br>Again the Z4 CS will be built in the US.<p>In describing the previous Z coupe Former BMW R&D chief Wolfgang Reitzle described the car as a " childs Toy" . When the Z4 coupe arrives the childs toy will have evolved into a adults plaything. <p>The sublinimal message _ although not shown, the Z4 coupe also gives a preview of the future , the distinctive rear bootlid that can only be BMW that raises with the whole car is an idea that will be featured on the BMW Cross-over although the glass area will be more steeply raked -<br>Now that the development has started expect a announcement at the Detroit motor show as BMW begin to get the public to gaze into the future.<br>With their upcoming products SAC , RFK and the CST.

knihc2008
09-16-2005, 03:53 PM
okay, i really hate how the Z4 coupe looks and the Z4 in general, but i gotta admit, the MZ4 CSL sounds like one bad ass piece of machinery.

shonguiz
09-17-2005, 04:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">T<br>BMW also have the idea for a completely lightweight MZ4 coupe (MZ4 CSL)- utilising carbon fibre roof and body panels and a lightweight interior , This will be distinctive from theother M model as it will run the BMW V10 engine from the M5/M6 - in production form 507 BHP - which would make for a crazy performance coupe - The Z4 coupes long bonnet easliy incorporates the V10 engine. Brakes will be tuned to match the collossal power output the car will give - BMW;s plans is to offer this for production as a ltd edition model. <p>The production car will be unveiled in January along with the Z4 roadster update and the M roadster,<br>Again the Z4 CS will be built in the US.<p>In describing the previous Z coupe Former BMW R&D chief Wolfgang Reitzle described the car as a " childs Toy" . When the Z4 coupe arrives the childs toy will have evolved into a adults plaything. <br>.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Oh my God, hope you are right son <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>With their upcoming products SAC , RFK and the CST.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>What's the CST ?

shonguiz
09-17-2005, 04:12 AM
That's what you can read in press file of the upcoming 320SI:<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 275 bhp racing car was developed by BMW Motorsport. It is the racing version of the special model BMW 320si, which will be on offer from BMW dealers as a limited edition from December 2005. Like its production counterpart, the motorsport version of the BMW 320si will be driven by a powerful 2-litre four-cylinder in-line engine. The car complies with the Super 2000 regulations and is 45mm longer and 36mm wider than its predecessor.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>So what engine is supposed to be in this car ?

shonguiz
09-17-2005, 04:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To Fix what is broken ?<br>The BMW Z4 Coupe or as it will be known ( Z4 CS - Coupe-sport) is exactly similar to the production car that will arrive in markets by Summer. Marketing has forbidden use of the lower roadster engines in the coupe - the Coupe will only receive the current new six cylinder engine and then BMW;s upcoming Twin turbo six cylinder , Do not rule out diesel , such engines are a possibility. There will definetly be a M-Powered coupe featuring the engine from the M3 CSL.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Aigain the same question why do they want to bring s54 and NG6T in the same car ?

T.B.
09-17-2005, 06:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What's the CST ?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>CST is code for Compact Sports Tourer, which MB used for B-class Concept car. BMW is developing 2 room concept vehicles: a bigger RFK (V5 - a R-class competitor), and also a smaller type of RFK (V3 - a B-class (aka CST) competitor). That was what Scott refered to: CST = V3 (small RFK).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Again the same question why do they want to bring s54 and NG6T in the same car ?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>We still do not know how many HP will twin turbo 3.0L engine develop. I guess it will have 310-320HP in basic version, not more. Which is still 40-50HP less then 360HP 3.2L M engine from M3 CSL. Still quite a margin.<br>Also the M cars have different (more race) setup - throttle, gearbox, brakes, suspension, steering etc. HP is not the only thing M cars are praised for.<p>BMW can still (de)tune the twin-turbo for diferent models. Like I said before: it is possible BMW could detune the engine for smaller models like 1er, 2er, Z2, Z4. <p>Regarding 320si: It seems BMW have developed a new 2.0L high-rev racing engine with output of 275hp at 8200rpm, with aim to compete in WTC Championship (replacing current BME 3er racing car). A limited street edition of 320si will have the same engine, but other setup will be street-tuned.<p> <br>

shonguiz
09-17-2005, 07:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CST is code for Compact Sports Tourer, which MB used for B-class Concept car. BMW is developing 2 room concept vehicles: a bigger RFK (V5 - a R-class competitor), and also a smaller type of RFK (V3 - a B-class (aka CST) competitor). That was what Scott refered to: CST = V3 (small RFK).<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Ok <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>We still do not know how many HP will twin turbo 3.0L engine develop. I guess it will have 310-320HP in basic version, not more. Which is still 40-50HP less then 360HP 3.2L M engine from M3 CSL. Still quite a margin.<br>Also the M cars have different (more race) setup - throttle, gearbox, brakes, suspension, steering etc. HP is not the only thing M cars are praised for.<p>BMW can still (de)tune the twin-turbo for diferent models. Like I said before: it is possible BMW could detune the engine for smaller models like 1er, 2er, Z2, Z4. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>The engine develop 330 PS <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">, may be you are right and they will detune it, the big problem of this engine is that marketing didn't know for a long period where will BMW use it.<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Regarding 320si: It seems BMW have developed a new 2.0L high-rev racing engine with output of 275hp at 8200rpm, with aim to compete in WTC Championship (replacing current BME 3er racing car). A limited street edition of 320si will have the same engine, but other setup will be street-tuned.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE> <br>You know i really doubt they will use the same engine, because a street engine is so much more different from a race engine, i guess they will simply tune the 2.0 from 320i.

T.B.
09-17-2005, 08:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The engine develop 330 PS <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">, may be you are right and they will detune it, the big problem of this engine is that marketing didn't know for a long period where will BMW use it.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <br>330HP is totally unofficial number. The engine will be very powerful, with excesive output. I have no doubts. But BMW engineers will definitely tune the engine to comply with demand of marketing department. I know, finding the right output will be tricky task for marketing people. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know i really doubt they will use the same engine, because a street engine is so much more different from a race engine, i guess they will simply tune the 2.0 from 320i.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sure the street engine will be non-racing one. But I do not know for sure whether the 320si street engine is an upgraded existing standard 2.0L engine from 320i, or a completely new engine - developed with racing 320si WTCC in mind. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>IMO the 320si engine is completely new one. But I'm not sure. <p>At the launch of 3er in March 2005, Slovenian BMW importer announceed first "Si" models of 3er for late fall 2005. I was told at that time, that "Si" was initialy a registered trademark with BMW for forthcoming new engines, but also that "Si" designation would be used for special (sport) equipment models which will gradually appear in the 3er lineup.<p>Scott, any comments?<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 5:42 PM 9/17/2005</i>

shonguiz
09-17-2005, 08:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>, but also that "Si" designation would be used for special (sport) equipment models which will gradually appear in the 3er lineup.<br><i>Modified by Tine at 5:42 PM 9/17/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><br>This what just_me suggested in the GCForums, the street version will be a sort of A4 dtm edition, A 320i with some new features, equipement and specific presentation.

T.B.
09-17-2005, 09:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>This what just_me suggested in the GCForums, the street version will be a sort of A4 dtm edition, A 320i with some new features, equipement and specific presentation.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks like the 320si will be something like that ... But what kind of engine will it feature - a tuned one from standard 320i, or detuned one from 320si WTCC. A what kind of HP output will it offer? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"><br>There is a lot of space between 150HP 320i and 218HP 325i, or between 218HP 325i and 258HP 330i.<p>Btw, BMW marketing team will have huge headaches in the future - they'll have to position a lot of engines / models in the markets in the way not to interfere with each other: twin-turbo petrol engines, "Si" models, new direct injection petrol engines, hybrid models, diesel engines ... Quite a task!

imhotep evil
09-17-2005, 02:12 PM
OMG, MZ 4 CSL. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Trully a worthy descendent for the 328 "Superlleggera" Le Mans/ Mille Miglia<br>coupe. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Well after only &gt; 65 years they will finally do it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

scott26
09-22-2005, 02:28 PM
platform flexibility and product identity.<p>Mention the new MINI generation scheduled to be launched late next year and you get a blank expression and flat denial of it's existence.<br>But internally the next MINI is a very exciting project for BMW - Now that the identity of MINI has been established it is now time to play with ideas of the next MINI platform and some of these ideas have been green lighted and rubberstamped for the next MINI.<p>Although the current cabrio is a given ,BMW had plenty of ideas to introduce to the current MINI. As MINI was officially starting out BMW did not know how successful the reinvention of the MINI would be - Would the Rover debacle dampen the launch .<p>The key of success to the MINI has to be the marketing the image of driving , fun and enjoyment the MINI brand is a lifestyle , a must have object like a Nokia phone or Apple ipod a piece of design that registers with the consumer. The greatest achievement with MINI is the ability to offer quality motoring of BMW calibre with the customer benefiting whether with competitive leasing and the award winning service package which came from our product planning team - A package so successful it has filtered into BMW models now. Of course now that success has established itself the current MINI will end it's 1st generation with only two models - The next generation is where the fun begins.<p>As well as standard 3dr hatchback in the One , Cooper and cooper S - the body styles will expand - Already confirmed and undoubtedly the star of the frankfurt motor Show - The MINI traveller type concept will enter production but will retain the over all shape but conventional front doors and the front end design of the next MINI , the Frankfurt concept paves way for possibly the most exciting MINI variant a 3dr coupe which features a front design like the traveller - Lamp units mounted further up the bonnet and a wide grille - So beautiful that baby aston martin comments have been said about the design. <p>For the first time MINI will be offered in a family friendly 5dr hatchback , the cabrio will continue allbeit with a folding hardtop that is all about preserving space with a unique folding arrangement which shrinks the top down by folding in pieces. After the cabrio a Speedster is expected to be introduced using MINI cues but with a low screen - <br>the bodystyle of the IAA concept will also arrive - The MINI that can actually go to ikea and pick up some flat - pack furniture instead of cushions and plant pots. Traveller will aim for the trendy design set.<p>other ideas include a Honda element type MINI -SUV. and MINI pick ups .<p>MINI will also begin to offer far more technology than today's model. Today's MINI has only one achilles heel that of the weak engine.<br>The next generation will receive a powerplant of a joint development of <br>PSA. Although BMW are working on areas to distinguish it from it's relevant donor cars making the car more fun and definetly fit the character of MINI.<br>More introduction will herald arrival of BMW's ZSG gearbox in the MINI as well as more performance orienated models including a stripped out performance MINI - JCW will continue in the new car aswell.<p>The media reports that the current MINI does not make much of a profit for BMW this is not fully correct the MINI does make a profit for BMW although high cost of production methods will be different for the new car as production experts have gone over every inch of the next MINI identifying production methods that are easier and less time consuming . <p>The next MINI platform will offer maximum flexibility, meaning more models than the current model. The next MINI will be more flexible in body variants. All options are open. MINI will enter some new niches for it's class.<p> The interior of the next MINI can be seen as a evolution of the current car. Think of a mix of the Z4 Roadster and acurrent MINI, but in an art-deco styling. which ranges from traditional , trendy , cool and technical and a cabin that could be by the craftmen at Rolls-Royce. material will range from alloy to body color even two types of leather na d wood can feature in a traditional package. The central pod remains but the evolution spreads to the functions. The climate system appears in the shape of the MINI logo. The rocker switches remain but become more stylized. <p>Equipment will increase as well as options features such as Mp3 , DVD ,Ipod will all accomodate into the new car as probably will MINI I-drive, which is an idea being discussed for integration of the new I-drive for MINI. <br>Which so far goes under the name of MINi-drive . The features of the controller will be very limited either to entertainment or navigation. The good thing about MINI is even today all controls are accessible - it is very minimalist - everything is clear and can be operated by ease. Something which will continue in the new car. <p>In keeping with the traditional segment of MINI the audio equipment will consist of a clip on facia Mp3 player which can be removed , connected to a computer and the owner can download their songs . clip it back onto the car and enjoy their music.<p><br>Surprisingly the MINI frankfurt concept begins the intention of the next generation car as BMW prepare to expand it's MINI ideas as concepts to appeal and catch the publics eye. Especially in the run up to the launch of the next car.<p>Is MINI's revival a successful story?<p>MINI has been a success story for BMW, hence the decision to be more flexible in future body designs. The current model could not really accommodate all the latest ideas as they had no idea if the car would be successful. Now the floodgates are open and idea fountains are on.<p>MINI will feature in standard :<p><br>3dr hatchback<br>5dr hatchback<br>2dr coupe<br>cabrio <br>MINI speedster with folding hardtop<br>3dr traveller country man <br>MINI lifestyle SUV<br>

T.B.
09-22-2005, 02:51 PM
Scott, any news about 320si? What kind of engine (power output) will it feature?<p>Btw, AutoZeitung posted some CGI pictures of future BMW models - when I'll have the scans, I'll post the link here, and will want your comments, Scott. OK?

conan
09-22-2005, 08:48 PM
Scott26, what do you think will be the best-looking : the coupe, cabrio or the speedster? And the speedster will have a folding hardtop too, not just for the cabrio, right (just to be sure)?<p>This is the next gen Mini interior :<p><A HREF="http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2007interior019gt.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img172.imageshack.us/my...t.jpg</A><br>

Top Secret
09-22-2005, 09:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BMW also have the idea for a completely lightweight <b>MZ4 coupe (MZ4 CSL)</b>- utilising carbon fibre roof and body panels and a lightweight interior , This will be distinctive from theother M model <b>as it will run the BMW V10 engine from the M5/M6</b> - in production form 507 BHP - which would make for a crazy performance coupe - The Z4 coupes long bonnet easliy incorporates the V10 engine. Brakes will be tuned to match the collossal power output the car will give - BMW;s plans is to offer this for production as a ltd edition model. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You've got to be kidding me. V10 in the Z4?!

Naga Royal Guard
09-22-2005, 09:56 PM
yeah, this is getting quite far out of hand with the BSing

Omar
09-23-2005, 10:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga- Captain Funky</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, this is getting quite far out of hand with the BSing</TD></TR></TABLE><p>hey, leave him alone!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>We love Scott26, and he gives us brilliant info <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

shonguiz
09-25-2005, 12:23 PM
Still nothing about 320si ?

conan
10-17-2005, 04:02 AM
To Scott26, could you please tell if the Z4 coupe will also be available with the 2.5L engine? I'm in the market for a MY 2006 Z4 but is torn apart between the roadster or the coupe. And will the coupe cost more than the roadster (eventhough the coupe does not have the softtop mechanism)? Many thanks in advance..

SELLER
10-17-2005, 09:36 PM
Where/When is the 'Z10' mid-engine Roadster Concept going to be shown?

T.B.
11-13-2005, 07:14 AM
Scott, how accurate is that product plan? I've got it from a BMW suppliers report (published in early 2005).<p><A HREF="http://img424.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmwplans8jj.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/792/bmwplans8jj.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 5:50 PM 11/13/2005</i>

Omar
11-13-2005, 09:26 AM
can't see it

BoRys
01-04-2006, 05:35 PM
Very OK news. Want more to hear.

shonguiz
01-05-2006, 11:05 AM
So no more nws about upgrated L6 (N54) that are coming with the new coupe ??

T.B.
01-05-2006, 03:31 PM
Any news about V5 SpaceTravel and V3 CoupeSpace?

enit
03-14-2006, 03:54 AM
I got an info E92 is featuring 7-speed dual clutch transmission - the DCT 436 by Getrag. <p><IMG SRC="http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8237/dct4362dg.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Scott, can you confirm?<p><br>

scott26
04-01-2006, 03:12 PM
Figure of "8"<p>The Z8 was expensive to manufacture because of it's aluminium space frame structure but it was also a learning curve on how to utilize this form of construction which is now seen on the Rolls-Royce Phantom and other other forthcoming Rolls-Royce products. And also set BMW in developing lightweight technology for other cars - Overall the Z8 was an experiment allbeit an expensive experiment but what we have learned from the Z8 has filtered to today's BMW products such as Carbon fibre roofs and aluminium construction .<p>Of course the Z8 if anything will be remembered for it's on-screen debut in "The World is not enough" as product placement - Which was very successful which led to buyers purchasing the car because of it's association with an icon James Bond 007.<p>Profit margins were slim in all it was a sales success we produced 3000 cars and each one was sold - where the disappointment lies with the Z8 is the fact that the car was expensive and criticized in the press for it's dull driving experience when it could have promised more . The following Alpina Z8 roadster corrected some of this - with press reports saying that the Alpina Roadster had specific changesand was the car the Z8 should have been.<p>BMW are working on a replacement and are at the design stage with the board of management moving to decide on the proposals to feature a standard Coupe, Coupe with folding hardtop like the Mercedes SL or a already in final decision stages a roadster like the original Z8. BMW are keen on the Z4 idea a roadster and a coupe which will bring a dynamic bloodline and kinship to the product range.<p>"8ties revival <p>Of course with Porsche looking at returning the 928 to it's product line up <br>BMW do not want to be left out - Hence the great hesitation within BMW to distance itself from supercars - which in this current climate only get 15 mins and then hit the headlines for the wrong reasons eg climate , social responsibility , high speed accidents and Paris Hilton.<p>Of course to distance itself from the M6 which just now is BMW's top line Coupe - The 8 will more than likely feature a V12 destined to arrive in the next 7er. It is possible that the V10 from the M5 and M6 could feature with a much higher output distancing itself from the M5 and M6 or M-division could rework the V12 to appear more suitable.<p>BMW are especially interested in the social responsibilty aspect of producing a performance car soley powered by Hydrogen following the success of the H2r which would give the brand a dynamic and interesting talking point. The hydrogen powered technology is seen internally @ BMW as one of the company's most significant developments in its entire history.<p>The new M car would take advantage of BMW's lightweight technology and if Coupe feature a Carbon Fibre roof such as the current M6 and the forthcoming M3 Coupe.<br>With carbon fibre body parts eventually appearing on a forthcoming lightweight version of the M6 - This could also take shape as could a complete aluminium structure or carbon fibre tub.<p> @ Geneva Chris Bangle and Adrian Van Hooydunk were allover the new Ferrari 599 as were BMW design personnel - This car has what brought back BMW's interest into returning into this segment after the 8er coupe from 1989 which compared to today's cars was too heavy, thirsty and had a compromised numb driving experience . <p> With a proposed "small" Rolls-Royce in the development the press are reporting that it will be a direct rival for the Bentley Continental GT family - It wont be.... Which means the particular segment is ripe for the BMW badge especially one that signals the return of "8"<p>A two seater coupe or roadster offering dynamsm , cutting edge design and lightweight technology all mated together to form an exciting and dynamic enthusiasts car would make a powerful statement and sum up the emotional atributes of "Freude am Fahren".<p>

enit
04-30-2006, 03:23 PM
Any comments?<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autozeitung.de/pages/aktuelles_heft/images/ah_0806.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt21du2xo.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7576/unbenannt21du2xo.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><A HREF="http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt10fr8qg.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9676/unbenannt10fr8qg.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><A HREF="http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt34an4dv.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6936/unbenannt34an4dv.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><A HREF="http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt49bx1xr.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1667/unbenannt49bx1xr.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><A HREF="http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt56kg9sm.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7100/unbenannt56kg9sm.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><A HREF="http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt61fu9wp.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6219/unbenannt61fu9wp.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>Thanks to Huein.<p>

Ascariss
09-18-2006, 03:33 PM
just bringing this thread back just in case.

scott26
09-24-2006, 03:44 PM
Projekt PLS- F-03. Premium luxury Sedan.<p>D-day is fast approaching at BMW soon the decision will be made on where does the brand go next , Serious decisions will be given on the next generation 6er Coupe and cabrio ( expected to be a evolution of todays car) and a model Although only existing in sketches , computer animations and claymodels to either top the BMW brand , expand a segment or open an entirely new segment for BMW .<p>With the motoring media reporting that a "small" Rolls-Royce is being developed they are reporting that it will be a direct rival for the Bentley Continental GT family - It wont be...<br>Although their will be a smaller RR family below the Phantom it will not be directly competing against the Bentley Continental family but be positioned slightly lower than the Phantom.<p>Four factors are weighing against this decision.<p>1. To keep RR exclusive .<br>2. The BMW brand has enough stability to compete against the upper reigns of the segment including the Bentley continental Family.<br>3. BMW like to investigate new segments - witness BMW X3 (premium compact SAV segment) , BMW E87 Coupe and cabrio ( premium small coupe and cabrio segment) , BMW RFK and BMW X6 "sport activity coupe) <br>4. BMW do not really want a me too Coupe competitor as the segment is crowded enough.<p>Whilst we have talked about the 8er Coupe prospect another competing model for greenlight this october is BMW's " Premium luxury sedan" which is being investigated as a possible 9 series addition. <p>BMW see this as a possible new segment, a large sedan positioned above the 7er A beautiful looking car with a unique lower sleeker shape than a 7er (think CLS in the upper segment) with 4 drs, following the RFK idea with rear suicide doors , a shallow glass area , small rear overhang thin slits for headlights wide BMW twin-kidney grille, large wheels - whilst the design will be cutting edge and as fresh as the proposed 2012 launch. <p>Technology and architecture will not be any different utilising from it's cutting edge philosophy. An all alloy space frame with alumiunium front and rear modules and carbon fibre composite body panels will keep this car seriously lightweight , The floorpan will come direct from modules utilised from the upcoming 7er. BMW would then have it's "Individual" division compose interior options to make it BMW's set alone exclusive choice in it's own segment.<p>Although in creative discussion several engine choices are being investigated. <br>With the next 7er BMW are slimming down some options available the top line V12 will only be offered with the LWB only due to poor sales of the current SWB V12 .<br>The next V12 being developed By BMW will incorporate BMW's turbo technology - one option could be leaving a Naturally aspirated V12 in the 7er and focusing the Twin-turbo V12 for their top line project.<br>Another option is letting a Specialist (Alpina) fettle the V12 for the new car.<br>One strategy that would earn BMW serious environmental credentials would be the addition of a Hydrogen "9" A social concious luxury sedan for the environmetally concerned.<p>One thing that has been made abundantly clear is that it remains a single model - a BMW with No M-variant. <p>A soon to be approved model will be BMW's Motorsport achievement With the PLS project It would be BMW's technological flagship - It would be the car that would bring BMW back into contention with luxury car buyers who see BMW and Mercedes as lower class, less exclusive everyman brands. <br>It will also be the car that will bridge BMW to RR unless BMW acquire Aston Martin.<p>Then all bets will be off....<p><br>

enit
09-24-2006, 03:57 PM
O, gosh ...<p>I would rather see BMW to acquire Aston Martin ...