PDA

View Full Version : Isuzu admits illegally testing vehicles on public roads


Cozz
04-02-2005, 06:55 PM
Source: detnews.com<p><b><i>Test vehicles were involved in accidents that caused one death and 27 injuries.</b><p>By Kozo Mizoguchi / Associated Press<br>TOKYO -- Isuzu Motors Ltd., a truckmaker allied with General Motors Corp., said Friday it had illegally tested its vehicles on public roads for years, and said vehicles being tested were involved in accidents that caused one death and 27 injuries. <p>Isuzu President Yoshinori Ida and 14 other top executives had accepted responsibility for the emerging scandal by taking pay cuts of up to 30 percent for two months, company spokesman Naruhito Furuta said. <p>Meanwhile, police said they had launched an investigation into Isuzu for possible breaches of Japanese laws requiring automakers to get permission from the government to test their trucks on public roads. Violators face fine of up to 300,000 yen ($2,800). <p>Furuta said the Tokyo-based truckmaker, which is 10 percent owned by Detroit-based GM, had conducted vehicle tests on public roads since the late 1960s without reporting them to the authorities. <p>The tests involved Isuzu sending out prototypes to see how far and how fast they could run. Furuta said the company did not realize it needed to obtain permission for the test drives. <p>He said at least 104 accidents involving test vehicles had been reported since 1985. <p>In one case in 1990, an Isuzu vehicle was involved in a pileup in which the driver of another vehicle was killed, Furuta said. Of the collisions, 27 resulted in injuries, three of them to the driver in the Isuzu vehicle. <p>The accidents were all caused by human error such as speeding and not defects to the vehicles, so the company did not believe it was responsible for causing any of the accidents, he said. <p>Kanagawa Prefectural police are investigating Isuzu, police spokesman Hideki Ogura said. <p>Isuzu sent an apology to the Infrastructure and Transport Minister on Thursday, in which it promised illegal testing would never happen again. <p>Isuzu shares slipped a fraction to close at 283 yen ($2.60) on the Tokyo Stock Exchange Friday. <p>Isuzu's troubles come as another Japanese automaker is embroiled in a scandal. <p>Mitsubishi Motors Corp. and Mitsubishi Fuso Truck and Bus Corp. both have seen their sales plunge in recent years over an auto defect cover-up scandal. Five years ago, Mitsubishi Motors acknowledged it had systematically concealed defects for decades. </i><p><br>That's it, Isuzu has finally gone mad. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Lakeshow23
04-02-2005, 07:02 PM
*Yawn*. Good news to read, because it's car related, but... big whoop. Oooh, they illegally drove vehicles on the road.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 07:06 PM
Good post Cozz...those are some serious stuff...and laws in Japan are strict, as I have suspected.<p>What about in the US, or elsewhere, are you supposed to get permits and/or permissions to test vehicles?

erzhik
04-02-2005, 07:06 PM
holly crap

Roadster44
04-02-2005, 10:16 PM
What are anybody's chances to get into a fatal accidnet with a flawed prototype? Yieesh...now lets see more important news today. Pope died and a house in suburban Detroit burnt down.

rman5001
04-02-2005, 10:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good post Cozz...those are some serious stuff...and laws in Japan are strict, as I have suspected.<p>What about in the US, or elsewhere, are you supposed to get permits and/or permissions to test vehicles?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You can test vehicles on public roads with an "M" or Manufacturer's plate in a lot of states. You see them all the time in Michigan, in the mountains outside of Denver (Brenckenridge/Vail) where all the OE's (and the EPA) do high altitude testing or in Arizona for hot weather testing.<p>Of course, you still have to obey the regular traffic laws and couldn't do the high speed stuff decribed in the original post without running afoul of the law.

Cozz
04-03-2005, 06:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lakeshow23</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*Yawn*. Good news to read, because it's car related, but... big whoop. Oooh, they illegally drove vehicles on the road. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You really need to find a hobby... like jumping off bridges... with no rope. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
04-03-2005, 10:16 AM
I dont see how this is important. And I think the news is skewed a bit. It says "In one case in 1990, an Isuzu vehicle was involved in a pileup in which the driver of another vehicle was killed," it never says the Isuzu caused it. Not like Mitsus that explode and throw wheels and smash people. I think this is just Japanese press hysteria looking for a "scandal," but I hardly find this scandalous. <p>And also, it sys the vehicle were not flawed, it was human error that caused the accidents, and not specifically from the driver of the Isuzu either.

Cozz
04-03-2005, 01:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont see how this is important. And I think the news is skewed a bit. It says "In one case in 1990, an Isuzu vehicle was involved in a pileup in which the driver of another vehicle was killed," it never says the Isuzu caused it. Not like Mitsus that explode and throw wheels and smash people. I think this is just Japanese press hysteria looking for a "scandal," but I hardly find this scandalous. <p>And also, it sys the vehicle were not flawed, it was human error that caused the accidents, and not specifically from the driver of the Isuzu either.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They were still involved without the proper paperwork. You can be at fault in some states without the proper paperwork because no one gave the right to drive even if the other person is at fault. In short, you were not supposed to be there in the first place.<p>But yes, it seems they are making a bigger deal of it to make it sound better.

Lakeshow23
04-03-2005, 05:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>They were still involved without the proper paperwork. You can be at fault in some states without the proper paperwork because no one gave the right to drive even if the other person is at fault. In short, you were not supposed to be there in the first place.<p>But yes, it seems they are making a bigger deal of it to make it sound better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Such a scandal, that Isuzu was fined $2800 bucks. I've seen bigger speeding tickets. *Yawn*.

Hornbag
04-03-2005, 08:21 PM
I think they should kill Isuzu for doing that, it would do the world good! Joke

Cozz
04-03-2005, 08:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lakeshow23</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Such a scandal, that Isuzu was fined $2800 bucks. I've seen bigger speeding tickets. *Yawn*. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You know what they say, don't like it- don't read it.

Hornbag
04-03-2005, 08:42 PM
YEAH!!! go cozz, its ur birthday, we gona party like its ur birthday...

CarMattZu777
04-04-2005, 09:27 PM
Gosh we need some more interesting stories, it seems this one already blew over, no more press. There are more important things to talk about. And also, 100 accidents in about 50 years, thats only like 2 a year, and none seem that serious since there was only ever one death and very few serious injuries.

Naga Royal Guard
04-04-2005, 09:36 PM
i thaught you loved talking allllll about isuzu; whats the problem now?

AM2
04-04-2005, 09:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gosh we need some more interesting stories, it seems this one already blew over, no more press. There are more important things to talk about. And also, 100 accidents in about 50 years, thats only like 2 a year, and none seem that serious since there was only ever one death and very few serious injuries.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Read this....<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Furuta said the Tokyo-based truckmaker, which is 10 percent owned by Detroit-based GM, had conducted vehicle tests on public roads since the late 1960s without reporting them to the authorities. <p>The tests involved Isuzu sending out prototypes to see how far and how fast they could run. Furuta said the company did not realize it needed to obtain permission for the test drives. <p>He said at least 104 accidents involving test vehicles had been reported since 1985. <p>In one case in 1990, an Isuzu vehicle was involved in a pileup in which the driver of another vehicle was killed, Furuta said. Of the collisions, 27 resulted in injuries, three of them to the driver in the Isuzu vehicle. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><B>Isuzu has been conducting tests on the road since the late 60's...<br>its 2005 now, the late 60's was not not 50 years ago. <p>Where did you get that 100 accidents in 50 years?<br>They said 104 accidents reported since 1985.</B>

Santeno
04-05-2005, 08:23 AM
I love how when Isuzu is at fault carmattzu says:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gosh we need some more interesting stories... ...There are more important things to talk about...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is no-one more blind than he who doesn't wish to see.

Naga Royal Guard
04-05-2005, 03:19 PM
and that settles that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
04-05-2005, 04:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gosh we need some more interesting stories, it seems this one already blew over, no more press. There are more important things to talk about. And also, 100 accidents in about 50 years, thats only like 2 a year, and none seem that serious since there was only ever one death and very few serious injuries.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Shheesh, I get all this crap for a posting news. There isn't that much going on right now so I choose something that cought my eye. Never did I think I need defend myself for this crap that you take so religiously. If that's the case then I'll stop posting news. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
04-05-2005, 04:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shheesh, I get all this crap for a posting news. There isn't that much going on right now so I choose something that cought my eye. Never did I think I need defend myself for this crap that you take so religiously. If that's the case then I'll stop posting news. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>no cozz <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> keep posting plenty of news! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
04-07-2005, 04:08 PM
I'd love to talk about Isuzu its just that this is boring, and its not even important. And is it even really pertaining to the industry? What difference will make. I don't want this to turn ugly, but It doesnt make sense to me why my posts are always locked and then something like this that MAY be posted just to cause controversy can be passed off. But if that was not your motive, then I apologize to Cozz.

Santeno
04-07-2005, 04:20 PM
when you'r posts are locked it is because for one reason or another they do not belong to the site or where they are posted. It is always explained why your posts have gotten locked or deleted. Please don't make it seem like there is some conspiracy against your posts. This post si valid news. it would have been news for any other automaker. What made it extra funny was your statement that this is "not even important".

Naga Royal Guard
04-07-2005, 06:27 PM
he doesent seem to have a problem with poking fun @ GM's current situation; but i doubt that would be labeled " not even important " - should be glad anyone wants to discuss anything about izuzu<p>the fact is; people saying things are " not even important " has led to quite some catastrophe in the past millenia<p>

Cozz
04-07-2005, 06:30 PM
Why are Isuzu sales numbers posted in hundreds and not in thousands like every other manufacture?<p>Ok, I'll stop

Naga Royal Guard
04-07-2005, 06:35 PM
whens the last time you saw an isuzu dealer? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>ill stop too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

Bass-o-Matic
04-09-2005, 03:34 PM
God, let's not get into a whining game over this. It's a news item that was carried by a number of reputable sources and, like alot of other posts on this site, it pertains to issues related to vehicle development/ business operations.<p>As for the $2,800 fine, I believe that amount is per event, meaning that it, in deed, is a big deal and one that Isuzu can scarcely afford, especially if it is found that any damage or deaths were caused (at least partially) by an Isuzu prototype. Even if the vehicles weren't defective to the point of causing the accidents, themselves, it could very well be that actions taken on public roads by Engineers (as I have seen numerous times with visiting Japanese engineers) could, in fact, cause accidents. Maybe, after all, that's the problem that this law is meant to prevent.<p>Just for giggles, these are some of the actions (and associated accidents) I've seen:<br>- A Toyota Celica rolled (over the side of a cliff, no less), on video tape, with a Japanese engineer (off camera) going into histrionics while it happened.<br>- A visiting engineer taking a new prototype out (the day before a press event, in fact) and doing a quick lane change on a frontage road next to a freeway, losing control, hitting the curb, crumpling the suspension, exterior sheetmetal, drivetrain, etc., making for a suddenly late (as in no sleep) night for the technical staff on-site.<br>- Another visiting engineer deciding to do an "ABS test" on the San Diego Freeway in the middle of the day, causing a major heart attack in at least 10 other drivers following behind.<br>- A midnight drive on Western in Palos Verdes, suddenly turned into a daring high-speed game of "chicken" when another driver decided to try to get a closer look.<br>- A rumored (didn't see this one) accident involving a test team with a borrowed 300ZX Twin Turbo (the one with Super HICAS), in which the car got airborne, confusing the HICAS and losing control. Don't know if this actually happened, but the numerous rumors included one in which there were fatalities. <p>Anyway,... this IS serious and not something to be trifled with, especially in Japan, where traffic laws are taken even more seriously than they might be here.<p>I like Isuzu, too, but this rises above any brand allegiance.

Lakeshow23
04-10-2005, 02:49 PM
I'm a big Isuzu fan, but not knowing the law was a stupid mistake. I'm pretty sure that all carmakers test prototypes on the roads, even in Japan, probably breaking a law or two, but to not know about the law is what's funny here. Perhaps this should be a good slap in the face for Isuzu. Do better research.

bolita
04-11-2005, 03:01 PM
Well I would like to know how the Police found out out Isuzu's illegal actions <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> There is a snitch in the organization <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>In any case I am sure that all manufacturers have done some illegal testing one time or another with or without knowledge of management!

Lakeshow23
04-11-2005, 03:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In any case I am sure that all manufacturers have done some illegal testing one time or another with or without knowledge of management!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's why I didn't really think it was all that big of a scandal or anything. Sure, they broke the law. But it's like jaywalking. A scandal would be Mitsubishi's coverups. A scandal would be Ford's coverups of the Explorer suspension problems and the Firestone coverups of lousy tires. Those are scandals.

Bass-o-Matic
04-13-2005, 01:05 PM
If there were accidents involving Isuzu prototypes (even if they weren't at fault), the only question is how they didn't get caught sooner, not why they were found out now.<br>

CarMattZu777
04-13-2005, 07:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarpFan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If there were accidents involving Isuzu prototypes (even if they weren't at fault), the only question is how they didn't get caught sooner, not why they were found out now.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It seems as if they admitted it, or so the article says. I guess thats an honorable thing to do, instead of just getting away with it they admitted there wrongdoings and are paying the consequences.

Hornbag
04-14-2005, 12:17 AM
Im glad you see a good side to this matter.

Lakeshow23
04-15-2005, 12:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems as if they admitted it, or so the article says. I guess thats an honorable thing to do, instead of just getting away with it they admitted there wrongdoings and are paying the consequences.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Let's just see how severe the final punishment (fine) will be. Will Japanese authorities be able to track down every single time Isuzu sent a prototype out on the road without permission, for decades, or will they only fine the instances they know about? Or will they just fine Isuzu a standard number, without tallying all the law-breaking instances, to eliminate the headache of checking every date and time the law was violated? We'll see. The $$ fine will determine, to me, the severity of the issue. I don't know how much Isuzu was fined, if any, so if anybody can find it on google or something I'm all for it.