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knicks125
03-23-2005, 08:19 AM
<A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/23/B02-125849.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/2005/au...9.htm</A><p>Wednesday, March 23, 2005<p><br>Nissan sues Audi over trademark<p>Japanese automaker claims competitor's use of Q5 and Q7 designations is illegal.<p>By Christine Tierney / The Detroit News<p><br>Nissan Motor Co. filed a trademark infringement suit against Audi Tuesday, claiming the German carmaker poached the letter Q for its new Q7 and Q5 sport utility vehicles. <p>Nissan has used Q as the first letter identifying some of its premium Infiniti vehicles -- such as the Q45 and QX4 -- since 1989. It has registered the names and a slogan "the new Q" with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. <p>"Audi's immediate and threatened use of the Q5 and Q7 trademarks is likely to cause confusion, deception ... among consumers, thereby infringing Nissan's Q Marks," Nissan said in the suit filed with a U.S. District Court in Michigan. <p>Nissan asked the court to bar Audi from using Q7, Q5 or any other names that infringe on its 'Q Marks'. It is seeking damages from Audi, a subsidiary of Volkswagen AG, and reimbursement for legal costs. Nissan officials would not specify the damages sought. <p>Audi has not seen the lawsuit, spokesman Doug Clark said. "It is our policy not to comment on pending litigation," he said. <p>Audi plans to build a Q7 SUV and sell it in the United States next year. It may offer a smaller Q5 SUV later. Audi, based in Ingolstadt, Germany, has also begun a "Q7 Globe" advertising campaign on its website. <p>"We've used Q since 1989," said Bill Garlin, spokesman for Nissan's Infiniti division. "No other company to date has used Q to identify a vehicle." <p>In its suit, Nissan said its Q45 sedan was widely known as "the Q", and it adopted the slogan "the new Q" in 1993 to describe redesigned versions of the Q45. It also uses G, I, M and F as the first letters in its vehicle names. <p>Most Audi vehicle names begin with the letter A, such as the A6 and A8 sedans, although Audi identifies performance versions with an R and has a TT coupe in its lineup. <p>Audi is an older brand renowned for its technology, but Infiniti outsells Audi in the competitive U.S. car market. <p>Last year, Infiniti sold 130,987 vehicles in the United States, compared with 77,917 for Audi. But the German carmaker has ambitious plans to increase U.S. sales. <p>You can reach Christine Tierney at (313) 222-1463 or ctierney@detnews.com.<br>

Charger
03-23-2005, 08:21 AM
Thats pathetic. Lexus has an LS and Lincoln has an LS and you dont see them fighting. No one has a right to a letter in the alphabet. That's truly sad

knicks125
03-23-2005, 08:25 AM
I think it's just silly <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
03-23-2005, 09:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats pathetic. Lexus has an LS and Lincoln has an LS and you dont see them fighting. No one has a right to a letter in the alphabet. That's truly sad</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually you do. Toyota sued Ford a few years back over the Lincoln LS, which was originally supposed to be called the LS6 and LS8. Toyota felt (and Ford actually ended up agreeing) that those names were too close to the LS400's name.<p>Nissan also sued BMW once over adverizing of BMW's Z3 and Z4 models and won. BMW was advertising the Z4 as "The new Z" which was a trademerked line for nissan.<p>The funny things are the lawsuits that have merit but fail. Such as Jeeps multiple law suits over the use of it's seven slot grill; as well as Lexis-Nexis law-suit against toyota when it introduced the Lexus brand.<p>Go figure.

Charger
03-23-2005, 09:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually you do. Toyota sued Ford a few years back over the Lincoln LS, which was originally supposed to be called the LS6 and LS8. Toyota felt (and Ford actually ended up agreeing) that those names were too close to the LS400's name.<p>Nissan also sued BMW once over adverizing of BMW's Z3 and Z4 models and won. BMW was advertising the Z4 as "The new Z" which was a trademerked line for nissan.<p>The funny things are the lawsuits that have merit but fail. Such as Jeeps multiple law suits over the use of it's seven slot grill; as well as Lexis-Nexis law-suit against toyota when it introduced the Lexus brand.<p>Go figure.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats stupid. Just get over it.

carjunkie
03-23-2005, 09:45 AM
Maybe BMW should sue Nissan for using the letter M since M6, M5 and M3 maybe (just maybe) will get people confused with the Infiniti M45 (Yeah right).<p>And the Jeep lawsuit didn't have any merit. As from what I understand Jeep and AM General were owned by the same company, until Chrysler came and bought Jeep but not AM General. And they used the same grill design back then. So the design is as much of Hummers identity as it is of Jeeps. I think the judge even said this and also noted that Jeep never used a standard grille size (in length).

Santeno
03-23-2005, 10:05 AM
you're a little off on you storie junkie. Jeep and what became AM general were the same company, not separate ones. AMC decided to spin off Jeep's military products into a separate entitiy that did nothing but Military products, which if I recall correctly became AM general. That was spun off from the rest of AMC. while the civilian version of the unit (Jeep) went to Chrysler, when that company bought AMC. The reason the Hummer grill looks somewhat similar to the jeep grill is because it is essentially the samegrill from the same company. It's squished in a HMMVEE, because of the engineering constraints of that vehicle. GM simply continued to use the grill as it was conformed to the HMMVEE.<p>Chrysler lost it's claim not in that it couldn't prove that it was it's grill, but because they let so much time go by before complaining, that their trademark was declared abandoned in regrds to Hummer and AM General and because , as you mentioned, Jeep has used multiple variations of the 7-slot grill shape without trademarking them all.

JBlair
03-23-2005, 12:02 PM
Nissan can complain, but no one is going to confuse a 5,000 lb SUV for a Q45. Its ridiculous. Plus, there is no way Audi would change the name now, so Nissan doesn't have that much space to maneuver. Also, if this infringes on the trademark, why would the US Trademark office allow Audi to use it?

pcread
03-23-2005, 12:30 PM
And what about Q8, the Kuwaiti gas station chain? Don't they get a say?

M0L0TOV
03-23-2005, 12:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Actually you do. Toyota sued Ford a few years back over the Lincoln LS, which was originally supposed to be called the LS6 and LS8. Toyota felt (and Ford actually ended up agreeing) that those names were too close to the LS400's name.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Correct me if I'm wrong Santeno, but didn't it all boil down to that when Toyota was developing the Tundra, they were going to call it the T-150? I remember Ford got involved over that. Maybe Lincoln just going with the LS and Toyota not using the T-150 moniker was their way of settling.<p>M0L0TOV

Santeno
03-23-2005, 01:08 PM
The T-150 incident came after the LS fracas.

bolita
03-23-2005, 01:33 PM
In any case why does Audi want to call its SUV the Q7.<p>I am certain not because Infinity uses the Q moniker.<p>

M0L0TOV
03-23-2005, 01:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The T-150 incident came after the LS fracas.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Aaah, mea culpa. Thanks for the clarification Santeno.<p>M0L0TOV

JBlair
03-23-2005, 02:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In any case why does Audi want to call its SUV the Q7.<p>I am certain not because Infinity uses the Q moniker.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They're creating distinct naming systems for the different types of vehicles. The sedans and coupes will all be denoted with an 'A', with the non-sedan vehicle lines getting odd-numbers (the new coupes will be A5 and possibly A7, and the A3 already exists), the sedan lineups and their variants getting even numbers (A4 through A8), and the off-road vehicles getting the Q (for Quattro) designation.

VarianceJ30
03-23-2005, 03:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carjunkie</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe BMW should sue Nissan for using the letter M since M6, M5 and M3 maybe (just maybe) will get people confused with the Infiniti M45 (Yeah right).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>BMW has registered "M3", "M5" and "M6" not just "M", no?

knicks125
03-23-2005, 03:27 PM
or you can argue that bmw stole z from nissan...like i said, it's silly, just silly... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
03-23-2005, 06:11 PM
OMG...this makes me laugh over and over again...this is completely stupid...<p>why dont Land Rover sue Toyota for using word "LAND" for their Land Cruiser?<p>OMG...silly

Tidal
03-23-2005, 06:29 PM
This happens a lot in the industry. Ford got sued over the Focus name by a German magazine when the car first came out, Porsche got into trouble with Peugeot back in the 60's, and got forced to change their 901 into 911, and Volvo had a great one back in 96, when they released the S/V40, the first of their new naming strategy. Actually, it was supposed to be S/F4, but Audi didn't find it funny, so they added the 0. Then Ferrari didnt find it funny ( Volvo F40 ), so they dropped the F and went with V.<p>What i dont like about this is the timing. The Q name was announced a while ago, and Nissan only started the law suit after Audi had already started the marketing for the car and most of the public was aware of the name... Not cool.

KebabGud
03-23-2005, 07:12 PM
im gonna sue BMW for using the number 7..<br>and then im gonna sue Audi for using 7..<br>then .. im gonna sue the rest of the industry :P

carjunkie
03-23-2005, 08:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you're a little off on you storie junkie. Jeep and what became AM general were the same company, not separate ones. AMC decided to spin off Jeep's military products into a separate entitiy that did nothing but Military products, which if I recall correctly became AM general. That was spun off from the rest of AMC. while the civilian version of the unit (Jeep) went to Chrysler, when that company bought AMC. The reason the Hummer grill looks somewhat similar to the jeep grill is because it is essentially the samegrill from the same company. It's squished in a HMMVEE, because of the engineering constraints of that vehicle. GM simply continued to use the grill as it was conformed to the HMMVEE.<p>Chrysler lost it's claim not in that it couldn't prove that it was it's grill, but because they let so much time go by before complaining, that their trademark was declared abandoned in regrds to Hummer and AM General and because , as you mentioned, Jeep has used multiple variations of the 7-slot grill shape without trademarking them all.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There ya go. Thank you for clearing that up. Since I read about it a while ago and I didn't remember the whole thing properly. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
03-23-2005, 09:30 PM
If you don't want to be sued then name the cars like Lamborghini (now Audi) is doing. No numbers, No groups, no nothing,,,Just names: Gallardo, Murcielago, Diablo, Coutach.. the best way not to be sued..

Warewolf
03-24-2005, 05:55 AM
Not so straightforward:<p>first example: the focus name mentioned in this topic,<p>also, the current panda from fiat was supposed to be named "Gingo", but the name sounded too similar to the competitor Renault Twingo, so Fiat decided to avoid possible legal issues and name it panda....

JBlair
03-24-2005, 12:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Warewolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not so straightforward:<p>first example: the focus name mentioned in this topic,<p>also, the current panda from fiat was supposed to be named "Gingo", but the name sounded too similar to the competitor Renault Twingo, so Fiat decided to avoid possible legal issues and name it panda....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nissan won't win. Checking the past trademarks, Audi had already filed for Q designation trademarks all the way up through number 12 LONG before Nissan asked for the trademark for "Q series" or to renew the trademarks for the Q45 and QX4. Seems Nissan is getting a bit full of itself.

Santeno
03-24-2005, 12:30 PM
The filing date is often not enough Jblair. You also have to prove use an intention. If nissan can prove to a court that their use of the term Q series or "The new Q" was in use long beforeaudi's filing and is readily identifiable as a reference to their car, they pretty safely have a case. now of course we run the trouble of trademarking letters. I can't imagine anyone possibly holding a valid trademark to any individual letter of the roman alphabet.

RENCO
03-24-2005, 12:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you're a little off on you storie junkie. Jeep and what became AM general were the same company, not separate ones. AMC decided to spin off Jeep's military products into a separate entitiy that did nothing but Military products, which if I recall correctly became AM general. That was spun off from the rest of AMC. while the civilian version of the unit (Jeep) went to Chrysler, when that company bought AMC. The reason the Hummer grill looks somewhat similar to the jeep grill is because it is essentially the samegrill from the same company. It's squished in a HMMVEE, because of the engineering constraints of that vehicle. GM simply continued to use the grill as it was conformed to the HMMVEE.<p>Chrysler lost it's claim not in that it couldn't prove that it was it's grill, but because they let so much time go by before complaining, that their trademark was declared abandoned in regrds to Hummer and AM General and because , as you mentioned, Jeep has used multiple variations of the 7-slot grill shape without trademarking them all.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Correct. Chrysler bought AMC, LTV bought AMG. The other thing against Jeep was that they didn't do anyting when AM General trademarded the HUMVEE/HUMMER grille.

Bass-o-Matic
03-24-2005, 01:02 PM
Let's not forget the M-Coupe, as well (the Z3 kammback coupe, which was briefly only available as an M-technik tuned vehicle.

Santeno
03-24-2005, 01:15 PM
If anyone has any questions about how silly the name game can get, just look at all the different names DCX has to give the Viper, just so it can sell it in different (european) markets.

Naga Royal Guard
03-24-2005, 01:30 PM
if bmw wanted to make an M tuned version of their X5 SUV, would it be called : <p>M X5 ( nope, already taken by ford )<p>X5M ( but doesnt the M come first like M3, M5, M6)<p>XM5 ( thats just stupid )<p>M5X ( whats that a Awd M5 sedan? )

KebabGud
03-24-2005, 02:06 PM
M-Suv :P<br>like the M-Roadster :P<p>

erzhik
03-24-2005, 10:53 PM
why won't Audi sue Mercedes for using S ...like Audi has S4/6/8.... because THIS IS STUPID... NISSAN has better things to do...man

nismo
03-25-2005, 12:03 AM
How bout Quattro5 and Quattro7 or Avant5 and Avant7... this naming stuff is silly.

JBlair
03-25-2005, 01:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How bout Quattro5 and Quattro7 or Avant5 and Avant7... this naming stuff is silly. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Audi could make the case that they have been using alpha numeric names longer, and thus are somehow entitled to Q5 and Q7 since they fit into their naming system, but that is getting into semantics. This whole thing is ridiculous. Think of all the money nissan is spending on this stupid lawsuit that could be spent helping to fix the quality problems in its newer vehicles!

-Peter-
03-25-2005, 01:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If anyone has any questions about how silly the name game can get, just look at all the different names DCX has to give the Viper, just so it can sell it in different (european) markets.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I only know that they call it also Chrysler Viper in europe?<p>have it other names too?<p>BTW little OT but its funny how Mitsubishi Pajero has three names in different markets, Pajero, Montero and Shogun in UK<p>why is Daewoo (chevy) Tacuma also known as Rezzo in Europe? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
03-25-2005, 08:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>-Peter-</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I only know that they call it also Chrysler Viper in europe? have it other names too?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes. In Britain it can't be called the viper, because a british company already uses that name for some other product. as a result in britain it is called the SRT-10. IN other parts of Europe it's called the Viper and in others the Viper SRT-10. Then of course you have the markets in which the dodge brand exists, where it's badged as a dodge, and the ones where it doesn't, where it's badged as a chrysler (though I think that the intention is for it to be badged as a dodge in all of the EU).

Charger
03-25-2005, 08:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes. In Britain it can't be called the viper, because a british company already uses that name for some other product. as a result in britain it is called the SRT-10. IN other parts of Europe it's called the Viper and in others the Viper SRT-10. Then of course you have the markets in which the dodge brand exists, where it's badged as a dodge, and the ones where it doesn't, where it's badged as a chrysler (though I think that the intention is for it to be badged as a dodge in all of the EU).</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes, Dodge will soon be sold in EU as Dodge. That was the point of the Dodge Caliber being introduced in Geneva.

VexedandGlorious
03-25-2005, 01:40 PM
cant we all just share the alphabet in peace.<br>i hope audi wins the case. why would you try to stop someone from using "Q"

ndjan
03-25-2005, 10:29 PM
Some info on the lawsuits:<p>Ford originally complained that the T-150 was too close to the F-150 (which it is, in all honesty). Then Toyota complained in retaliation that the LS4 was too close to the LS400.<p>With Hummer, Hummer only won because they added their name to the slots.<p>As far as the nissan suit, they'll more likely win due to the prestige factor as well as the fact that they have Q-series SUVs. More importantly, the Q being for Quattro is a tepid argument since their entire range has quattro available. <p>Even though a lawsuit is silly, my thing is, why would audi use the Q name? I understand that in Europe it isn't an issue, but in the U.S., where most of the SUVs will likely be sold, it just doesn't seem like a smart move, even if they win the suit.

Top Secret
03-25-2005, 11:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if bmw wanted to make an M tuned version of their X5 SUV, would it be called : <p>M X5 ( nope, already taken by ford )<p>X5M ( but doesnt the M come first like M3, M5, M6)<p>XM5 ( thats just stupid )<p>M5X ( whats that a Awd M5 sedan? ) </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, M X5 or MX-5 is the Australian name for the Miata. That's why it couldn't be used. That and many other factors.<p>But having names is tricky - it means other stuff in languages that you wouldn't want to be named; Pajero anybody? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

-Peter-
03-26-2005, 12:45 AM
I know Kia Optima is known as Magentis in EU, but If kia some point wants to name it the same way as in other markets they have big problem <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>2005-01-24/CZ LAURA, VALERIA, SAGITTA, <U>OPTIMA</U>, POPULAR, GARDE, ASAP Skoda Auto a.s.

Nick
03-26-2005, 12:51 AM
so should GM sue Citroen for the use of the C5 C6 etc..? Not sure when GM first came out with the "LS" series engines, but if it was before ford and toyota started using it then maybe GM should sue them too...

Comrade
03-26-2005, 12:45 PM
WTF? I thought they had let Audi use the "Q" already, now they're suing them. Nissan can go to hell.<br>I didn't think that letter fit an SUV anyway. How about T or D. <br>Anyone can who make a good suggestion?

JBlair
03-26-2005, 03:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ndjan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some info on the lawsuits:<p>Ford originally complained that the T-150 was too close to the F-150 (which it is, in all honesty). Then Toyota complained in retaliation that the LS4 was too close to the LS400.<p>With Hummer, Hummer only won because they added their name to the slots.<p>As far as the nissan suit, they'll more likely win due to the prestige factor as well as the fact that they have Q-series SUVs. More importantly, the Q being for Quattro is a tepid argument since their entire range has quattro available. <p>Even though a lawsuit is silly, my thing is, why would audi use the Q name? I understand that in Europe it isn't an issue, but in the U.S., where most of the SUVs will likely be sold, it just doesn't seem like a smart move, even if they win the suit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is why:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They're creating distinct naming systems for the different types of vehicles. The sedans and coupes will all be denoted with an 'A', with the non-sedan vehicle lines getting odd-numbers (the new coupes will be A5 and possibly A7, and the A3 already exists), the sedan lineups and their variants getting even numbers (A4 through A8), and the off-road vehicles getting the Q (for Quattro) designation.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>

erzhik
03-26-2005, 08:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF? I thought they had let Audi use the "Q" already, now they're suing them. Nissan can go to hell.<br>I didn't think that letter fit an SUV anyway. How about T or D. <br>Anyone can who make a good suggestion?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol.. T is like a Turbo and D is like a Diesel.<p>I think Q really fit Audi, and it sounds really good for an Audi... <br>

VarianceJ30
03-27-2005, 02:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF? I thought they had let Audi use the "Q" already, now they're suing them. Nissan can go to hell.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <br>Where did you hear that from? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> Why would Nissan do that when they re-registered the Q Series nameplate months ago?<p>Why can't Audi just use the name they used for their concept, Pikes Peak? Sounds cool anyway.

Comrade
03-27-2005, 02:11 PM
yeah ur right.<p>I got time so I'm gonna explore the alphabet...<p>A-for sedans<br>B-can't use tat cuz if there is a <I>S</I> version, it would be BS which means bull****t.<br>C-overused for coupe and convertible<br>D-diesel<br>E-taken by Merc and is a vowel which doesn't really work for an SUV IMHO.<br>F-eerm...f**k it and over rated by Ford<br>G-would be really col but is taken by Merc's Gelandewagen<br>H-then Hummer would sue Audi<br>I-again the thing with the vowel...and if there's a <I>S</I> version, it would be IS and Audi would get sued by Lexus<br>J- <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>K- <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>L-stands for LWB<br>M-already over used<br>N- <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>O-again a vowel...<br>P-very uuncool and is never gonna happen<br><B>Q</B>-reminiscent of Quattro and no other SUV has it in its name, I think.<br>R-creates confusion with the <I>RS</I> models and Audi's LeMans car is called <I>R8</I>, so an SUV would not fit that image.<br>S-already taken by the <I>S</I>-models.<br>T-Turbo..<br>U-again a vowel, just ain't cool.<br>V-so the V7 comes with a V7 engine? No.<br>X-taken by BMW for their SUV line-up<br>Y-why?<br>Z-taken by Nissan's and BMW's sports cars.<p>What the hell? There is only so many letters in the alphabet!<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Comrade at 2:16 PM 3/27/2005</i>

Comrade
03-27-2005, 02:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Infiniti Z350</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> <br>Where did you hear that from? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> Why would Nissan do that when they re-registered the Q Series nameplate months ago?<p>Why can't Audi just use the name they used for their concept, Pikes Peak? Sounds cool anyway.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Audi is trying to use letters only, just like many other companies. <br>No mixing letter nameplates with word nameplates!

knicks125
03-27-2005, 02:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Audi is trying to use letters only, just like many other companies. <br>No mixing letter nameplates with word nameplates!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why not just using letters, they could have avoid all this nonsense in the first place...<p>and yes i agree pikes peak sounds so much better than Q7

Comrade
03-27-2005, 04:03 PM
I actually like the Pikes Peak name much better as well, but it won't happen.<p>I read somewhere on this forum that Nissan let Audi use the letter, but I guess its not true.<p>As I stated above, this is pretty much the only letter Audi can use. Merceds and Nissan own half the alphabet for themselves don't they? They can't f***ing do that and let no else use those letters. Again there are only so many letters in the alphabet. How can a company be so hardheaded? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Comrade at 5:36 PM 3/27/2005</i>

AllodoxaphobicJay
03-27-2005, 06:45 PM
There's always the Greek alphabet... oh wait, GM owns that..

Reppu
03-27-2005, 10:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AllodoxaphobicJay</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's always the Greek alphabet... oh wait, GM owns that..</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Don't forget Lancia: Beta, Kappa, Delta, Ypsilon...<p>I hope Mercedes demands Nissan for using the G letter, a little bit of their own medicine.

Nick
03-27-2005, 11:41 PM
What about these?    ...there's a few for starters

KebabGud
03-28-2005, 06:18 AM
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-Peter-
03-28-2005, 06:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What about these?    ...there's a few for starters</TD></TR></TABLE><p>or  <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
03-28-2005, 07:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">P-very uuncool and is never gonna happen</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Loved your alphabet breakdown, but I'm going to have to disagree with this letter. You might want to look into a couple of WWII fighters that still elicit guteral responses from people, the P-40 Curtiss Warhawk and especially the P-51 Mustang. Car names and characteristics that allude to either of these models would be well received, IMO.

VarianceJ30
03-28-2005, 01:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope Mercedes demands Nissan for using the G letter, a little bit of their own medicine.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mercedes would lose. Nissan (Infiniti) had the G first here.

knicks125
03-28-2005, 01:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Infiniti Z350</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Mercedes would lose. Nissan (Infiniti) had the G first here.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yeah i think so too, i know the Nissan Gs came to the US at least 1991 earlier.<p>Talking about MB, I'm glad at least they made an attempt to add a letter to their number system, they used to have cars like 190, 260, 300, 350, etc...

erzhik
03-28-2005, 04:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>yeah i think so too, i know the Nissan Gs came to the US at least 1991 earlier.<p>Talking about MB, I'm glad at least they made an attempt to add a letter to their number system, they used to have cars like 190, 260, 300, 350, etc...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>what the hell? <p>MB "G project" was developed in 1972.. what the hell are you talking about? Infinty got the G first? no way.. MB got the copyright on "G" in 1972, and they launched first public G in 1979.. Mercedes should sue Nissan/Infinity for using G... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-28-2005, 05:09 PM
I am talking about in the US

erzhik
03-28-2005, 06:07 PM
It doesn't make any difference... You telling me that in US, it was launched only after 1991?

knicks125
03-29-2005, 05:00 AM
no...1991 or earlier

Santeno
03-29-2005, 09:23 AM
This whole thing is silly. Both nissan suing Audi and auidy using Q as their new naming system for SUV's. Audi should give people more of what they know. If you name everything using an alpha-numeric designation starting with A, then why not follow that theme here, just adding another common symbol (like X), to denote that the vehicle is an SUV.<p>Something like AX-2, AX-4, AX-6 & AX-8 (or those AX sound too much like a brand of deodorant)? Perhaps they would get sued by lumberjacks.