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LoneWolf
03-18-2005, 09:23 PM
From Jp magazine:<p>"Hate the liberty? expect it to disappear from the Jeep lineup in a few years and be replaced by another model" <p>Allpar.com (www.allpar.com/model/upcoming.html):<p>Jeep Liberty<br>This platform may be phased out. We'd expect a new vehicle replacing the Liberty to come around 2007-08. Alternatively, there is talk of a Dodge version of the Liberty. <p><br>Hmmm...guess the 4-door Wrangler expected for '07 will replace it.<br>

Naga Royal Guard
03-18-2005, 09:52 PM
thats odd, i thaught they sell a ton of them

Kakairo
03-18-2005, 10:06 PM
I see them all the time, and they just restyled it. I can't imagine it will be going that quickly.

LoneWolf
03-19-2005, 04:26 AM
They are selling quite well, but when they redesigned it, it looked to me like an intermediary step toward something else. I guess that 'something' was the next-gen stretched Wrangler. <p>My only concern in that is that the Libby's competition is mostly soft-roaders like the Escape and RAV-4. Can a Wrangler-based SUV possibly woo the soccer moms and so forth that make up the bulk of that market?

Dodger
03-19-2005, 07:19 AM
I think the Libery is a vehicle that Jeep should keep in the line-up. The redesign is really nice and fairly upscale in Limited trim. I think that Jeep should just stick with two doors on the next Wrangler. The Lib is a great vehicle, it is a better alternative to others out there like the Escape or Equinox.

mzoltarp
03-19-2005, 12:04 PM
Jeep is stumbling mightily right now. I had a Cherokee that I loved and when the Liberty replaced the Cherokee in the market, the SportCute styling turned me off. The most recent Grand Cherokee is a styling bore and the Commander is a styling upchuck. I wish Jeep were circulating pictures of an ugly lump only to stun people with the real thing. The Dodge Nitro is gorgeous. They need to restyle the Liberty and call it Cherokee. They need to revamp the Grand Cherokee and call it the Wagoneer. I suspect that the Liberty is up for redesign not cancellation.

CarMattZu777
03-19-2005, 03:44 PM
It has to be a redesign, not a phaseout lol. What, would they be like "hmmmm, I wanna shed 40% of our sales." I dont think so hehe.

LoneWolf
03-19-2005, 05:12 PM
Maybe they'll redesign it as it transitions to a new platform and the name will change ... ah dunno ...

Rymanrph
03-19-2005, 05:53 PM
Don't forget the soft roader that they have coming. It could easily take some of the Liberty sales and the 4 door Wrangler could take a lot of the rest. They may get rid of it, but Jeep is an SUV company, so what's anothe SUV to sell?

JBlair
03-20-2005, 12:00 AM
That doesn't make much sense though, because the liberty is the 'tweener vehicle between the Wrangler and Grand Cherokee. Without it, there is a gaping hole in the lineup.

Philsshon
03-21-2005, 06:49 AM
well, the four dorr wrangler, probably will not have the wrangler name. I would like to see it called Cherokee.

Mindless T
03-21-2005, 08:27 AM
Fingers crossed...

knicks125
03-21-2005, 08:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>philsshon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, the four dorr wrangler, probably will not have the wrangler name. I would like to see it called Cherokee.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Cherokee?<p>where does that leave the Grand Cherokee <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
03-21-2005, 09:50 AM
guys, notice that the article didn't say dropping the model, but rather replacing the platform it's built on. My guess is that, as DCX has been doing, Jeep is consolidating platforms. I would guess that the liberty is replaced by a similar vehicle built in a platform that can be shared with other Jeep or DCX products.

JBlair
03-21-2005, 10:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">guys, notice that the article didn't say dropping the model, but rather replacing the platform it's built on. My guess is that, as DCX has been doing, Jeep is consolidating platforms. I would guess that the liberty is replaced by a similar vehicle built in a platform that can be shared with other Jeep or DCX products.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They could be planning to build it on the Nitro platform, which is longer and wider than the liberty platform. (more space to make it compete better)

LoneWolf
03-22-2005, 04:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>They could be planning to build it on the Nitro platform, which is longer and wider than the liberty platform. (more space to make it compete better)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was under the impression that the Nitro was itself built on a modified Liberty platform. If they went to this for the Lib, that wouldn't be considered a "new" platform, would it?

JBlair
03-22-2005, 11:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LoneWolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was under the impression that the Nitro was itself built on a modified Liberty platform. If they went to this for the Lib, that wouldn't be considered a "new" platform, would it?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Who ever said it was going to be a new platform? If Jeep's car-based 'ute is coming out soon, and would be close to the same size as the current Liberty, it would make perfect sense for them to move it to the re-worked platform that underpins the Nitro.

bolita
03-23-2005, 01:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rymanrph</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't forget the soft roader that they have coming. It could easily take some of the Liberty sales and the 4 door Wrangler could take a lot of the rest. They may get rid of it, but Jeep is an SUV company, so what's anothe SUV to sell?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I always wondered where the 4 door Wrnagler would fit along side of the Liberty.<p>In any case lets not forget that the Liberty is called Cherokee everywhere except the US, Canada & Mexico.<p>The 4 door Wrangler may be called the Sahara as the concept that was presented some years back.<p>The Commander was supposed to be called Wagoneer some years ago...<p>I wonder what the Jeep soft roader will be called...

CalinG7
03-23-2005, 02:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rymanrph</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't forget the soft roader that they have coming. It could easily take some of the Liberty sales and the 4 door Wrangler could take a lot of the rest. They may get rid of it, but Jeep is an SUV company, so what's anothe SUV to sell?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That actually makes a lot of sense. The Liberty tries to appeal to both hard-core Jeep traditionalists who want genuine off-road abilities, while also attempting to snag buyers looking at CRVs and Escapes. It seems too cute for traditionalists, but all the off-road harware make it 500 pounds too heavy compared to cute-utes. <p>But with the compact, car-bases crossover confirmed and aimed at Escapes and CRVs, and a 4-door Wrangler for the hard-core traditionalists, where would the Liberty fit in anymore? Splitting the sales seems like a pretty good strategy to me, it would better appease both buyer types.

thegriffon
03-26-2005, 08:43 PM
Good grief. The Jeep models are the most well known of DCX's product plans. Two small models based on the Caliber platform are coming - probably called the Compass and Patriot. A new Liberty (already called the Cherokee outside the US) will share a slightly larger SUV platform with the Dodge Aspen (previewed by the Nitro).<p><br>New Wrangler<br>Compass and Patriot (small C-segment crossovers around 170" like the Kia Sportage)<br>Liberty (large compact SUV closer to the D-segment - around 179" like the XTerra and Sorrento).<br>Grand Cherokee and Commander (5- and 7-seat D-segment SUVs 187-189")

Top Secret
03-26-2005, 08:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Cherokee?<p>where does that leave the Grand Cherokee <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>In Australia the Liberty as you know it is called the Cherokee, and the larger model called the Grand Cherokee. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-26-2005, 10:57 PM
They would make alot of folks happy if 1)it were replace by a new Cherokee 2)Brought back a bew version of the "beloved" 4.0L. I have spoke with many people throughout the years that bought Liberty's that had Cherokees that deperately hated the 3.7L. Aside from the styling, the hardcore people loved that engine. Personally, I thought it was a dog, but eh, what are you gonna do?

bolita
03-28-2005, 07:36 AM
IMO the 4.0L was an awesome engine and the 3.7 is not where near it for torque and response.<p>The 3.7 is a 4.7V8 minus 2 cylinders.<p>Just drive an Escpae witht he 3.0L and a Liberty with the 3.7 and the Escape has a lot more pull than the Liberty.<p>In any case as far as I know, the reason why the KJ was called Liberty in the US (and NAFTA) was because DCX wanted it to depart from the image that the Cherokee had ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
03-28-2005, 04:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just drive an Escpae with the 3.0L and a Liberty with the 3.7 and the Escape has a lot more pull than the Liberty.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Seriously? The Liberty is faster to 60 and it can tow 5000 lbs while the Escape tows 3500.

GerjurdKing
03-28-2005, 07:05 PM
Odd, I too thought this sold quite well. It doesnt carry the heavy incentives of most other products and I thought they had big plans for the diesel...

Santeno
03-29-2005, 09:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In any case as far as I know, the reason why the KJ was called Liberty in the US (and NAFTA) was because DCX wanted it to depart from the image that the Cherokee had ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>No that's wrong. The liberty was always intended to be called the Cherokee in NA. However, the old cherokee was still selling over 200,000 units a year at the time the replacement was supposed to be introduced (which by the way is the same thing that happened both times Chrysler tried to replace it with the GC). As a result, DCX decided to delay the introduction of the Liberty and keep the Cherokee in production a while longer. when they did introduce the liberty, they continued producing the Cherokee and actually sold both of them side by side for about 6 months, before finally killing off the cherokee. The name was changed to liberty so that DCX would be able to sell of it's final bunch of cherokee's without discounting them (as a result of a replacement model) while the two models sold side by side. The fact that both models were very different from one another helped sell this to the public (and they bought it).<p>Since the Liberty was introduced in most other markets after the cherokee was cancelled, it was not necessary to change it's name in those markets. That's why in most places outside NA, it's known as the Cherokee.

bolita
03-29-2005, 01:38 PM
You are wrong Santeno. Initially, the plan was to again sell the XJ Cherokee along side the KJ as the story had repeated itself once again with the XJ (meaning that in 1992 the ZJ Grand Cherokee was meant to replace the XJ Cherokee).<p>In April 2001 the KJ Liberty/Cherokee was launched "worldwide" in Las Vegas (I know, I was there!) and this launched was supposed to be the first global launch for any Chrysler product (normally ex Chrysler group would design a vehicle for NA and then re-engineer it to meet export specs or RHD etc...)<p>The KJ was launched worldwide very close to that in the US. The reason why the Cherokee nameplate was mantained outside the US was because Cherokee is much more recognized than Jeep. As you know, the Jeep brand is used generically to described 4x4 SUVs, specially in latin countries thus DCX's marketing decided to keep the nameplate outside NAFTA.<p>The German executives at DCX are who finally killed off the plans to keep the XJ in the US and other major markets (except the Chinese version) given the reasoning that they felt that it no longer went with the image that Jeep should be (read "Premium 4x4 brand").<p>Big mistake IMO...<br>

AM2
03-30-2005, 01:59 PM
I think Jeep wants to build on the popularity of the "Cherokee" name which I believe became popular much later in its export markets.<br>