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ll0ll
02-24-2005, 03:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>GM: China-Offerte fr Saab <p>Der US-Konzern General Motors verhandelt nach Zeitungsangaben aus Stockholm ber den Verkauf seiner schwedischen Tochter Saab an ein Unternehmen in China. <p>Wie die Stockholmer Wirtschaftszeitung "Dagens Industri" am Donnerstag (24.2.) weiter berichtete, sei auch eine bernahme durch Renault in Frankreich oder Nissan in Japan mglich. Saab hat seit den 90er Jahren hohe Verluste eingefahren und konkurriert mit der deutschen General-Motors-Tochter Opel um einen Produktionsstandort fr knftige Mittelklassewagen.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>source: auto motor und sport <p>According to the article, Saab could fall in chinese, renault or nissan hands. Exciting!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by ll0ll at 2:33 AM 2/24/2005</i>

pcread
02-24-2005, 04:29 AM
Yeah, I read that too. GM are denying it though. <br>

Reppu
02-24-2005, 05:16 AM
can onyone translate, please?

pcread
02-24-2005, 05:38 AM
<I>GM: China offer for Saab<br>According to a Swedish newspaper, GM is negotiating a sale of its Swedish daughter company to a Chinese company.<p>As the Stockholm business newspaper "Dagens Industri" reported on Thursday, a takeover by Renault or Nissan is also possible. Saab has suffered heavy losses since the 90's and is competing with Opel for the main production location for a future medium sized car.<p>GM has stated the report is "absolutely without foundation and idle speculation" Chief Executive Peter Augustsson said in a broadcast that General Motors stands fully behind its daughter company and isn't in sales talks.<p></I><p>Something like that

ll0ll
02-24-2005, 05:42 AM
another dutch article translated online...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Saab are buy <br>According to car, Engine und sport stands the Swedish mark Saab buy. General engines, of what Saab are a part, is, as it happens, in negotiation with a Chinese venture concerning<br>sale of its Swedish mark. Also GM in conversation would be with Renault-Nissan. That last conversation for all parties the best solution would be. Saab have been released then of GM, that the eigenzinnige Saab help slowly but certainly for soap, and GM are its loss-making for the lost. Moreover Saab would be appropriate well at Renault, because the french at this moment have no own premiummerk. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>But at autotelegraaf.nl gm denies (also translated online):<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>General engines: "Saab remain" <br>by our redactie <br>DETROIT - General engines want hold Saab in spite of losses to the<br>mark, but then production must double of 128,000 car s now up to 250,000. With less cars never profit is make, thus GM-vice-president Robert Lutz. <br>If the Saabs are as of now made in Germany or Sweden in March are<br>decided. Both the Opel Vectra and the Saab 9-3 must will roll from one factory. More luck has GM with the cleansing of Opel in Germany. Almost 7,000 employees have already signed for a departure premium so<br>that the slimming-down with 10,000 jobs is possible supposedly without<br>forced dismissals. That must a saving of? 500 millions per year produce.</TD></TR></TABLE>

italo
02-24-2005, 08:14 AM
GM Just decided to build the new Cadillac BLS at the Trollhattan plant, plus there is new investment in the 9-6, 9-2X and 9-7X -- why would GM make these plans and then just arbitrarily decide to cede the company? It doesn't make sense. Plus, soon enough GM Europe will reorganize itself into a new, single company with a multiple brands vs. the model now where they are distinct companies...somewhat akin to what GM's operations are in North America. Even if this is future speculation, it would be very difficult for GM to divest Saab once this comes to pass -- it would be like GM divesting Pontiac or Buick

Naga Royal Guard
02-24-2005, 09:41 AM
Lutz has specifically said that Saab wil remain operational and alive<p>why should you trust this? many think lutz = god

JBlair
02-24-2005, 09:56 AM
GM won't sell Saab. If they had wanted to, they would have done it long ago.

Nuvolari
02-24-2005, 03:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GM won't sell Saab. If they had wanted to, they would have done it long ago.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, i think GM isn't that clever...<br>For a long time they didn't know what to do with Saab. <br>How could it happen that a company develops two cars that are nearly in the same class? The 9-3 and the 9-5 are too close side by side, it's no wonder that the don't sell the expected numbers. <br>Where's the 9-3 hatchback many people (at least here in Europe) are missing? <br>Why did it take YEARS to unveal the 9-3 Sport-Combi?<br>Where's the small Saab as a competitor for the Golf / A3/ 1er / ...? To make it clear: With the inexpressibly 9-2x Saab can't win a flowerpot! Here in Europe the Subaru Impreza is a completely flop, why should a Subaru-based Saab sell better?<br>The answer to all the questions is the same:<br>GM didn't give a damn about Saab! They let things roll until it is almost too late...<p>A very important point: Saab always was a special company which always had a special flair! Extraordinary people bought extraordinary cars, at least until GM crossed Saab's way.<br>Maybe Saab was sunk when GM didn't buy them, but i bet that nearly every other buyer would have chosen a better way for Saab.<p>This and the development of Opel (not to mention the death of Oldsmobile) show that GM hasn't even a spark of a clue how to cultivate the values they hold in hands...

JBlair
02-24-2005, 04:23 PM
As I much as I dislike how Saab has been handled, I do have to say that I doubt any automaker could have done it better. (that is to say, the problem is with Saab not with anything else). GM was trying to imitate Ford's management style with Volvo (hands off, and let them develop uniquely swedish cars), but Saab needed a nagging parent instead. GM won't sell Saab. Period.

Santeno
02-24-2005, 04:25 PM
maybe ford will buy saab when it buys honda?

Cozz
02-24-2005, 06:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe ford will buy saab when it buys honda?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ford buys Saab when Saab buys Honda? Or Ford buys Saab and Honda at the same time? <p>Sheeeesh Santo, make your posts a bit less confusing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Nick
02-24-2005, 07:26 PM
saab can't even buy itself at the moment...

SV
02-24-2005, 08:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ford buys Saab when Saab buys Honda? Or Ford buys Saab and Honda at the same time? <p>Sheeeesh Santo, make your posts a bit less confusing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>he meant ford will buy saab and honda <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> anyway, i don't think GM will sell saab, but i'm not too confident in how they've been handling them so far.

Nick
02-25-2005, 03:57 PM
GM's invested atleast 5 billion into saab at the moment if not more...that is a lot considering saab only puts out about 120,000 vehicles a year...it would be a smart move for GM to ditch saab because saab hasn't been a huge hit nor was it ever really...though saab can't survive on their own due to the fact that they don't have the means to buy themselves out of GM even if they wanted to. It seems as if GM might be doing some spring cleaning, ditching oldsmobile a couple years ago, ditching fiat, and now maybe perhaps even ditching saab. While I think saab is a neat car company and I like their cars, it's really not worth it for GM to have them around at the moment...

Cozz
02-25-2005, 05:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>he meant ford will buy saab and honda <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> anyway, i don't think GM will sell saab, but i'm not too confident in how they've been handling them so far.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's called sarcasm my dear Watson. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
02-25-2005, 08:54 PM
GM could not have been any more clueless about Saab, they are currently planning to reskin the 9-5 for another extesion of its lifespan. why reskin the problematic chasis that is more than a decade old when you could start on a fresh slate if you want to compete.<p>First they designed the 9-3 for americans, than brought us the abominating 9-2 and 9-7, now spend cash to sugarcoat a rotten donut. How can one make so many mistakes?

knicks125
02-25-2005, 09:11 PM
agreed totally <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>state of independence? more like state of helpless <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
02-25-2005, 11:22 PM
They induced American philosophy into Saab and really made it no better than it was before. Still just an average automaker. What they should have done is take more risks/chances with it on styling, interior design, use better quality plastics, make the car handle great, relaxing to drive. Instead all they really have is a 9-3 pulling all weight and its just an average car. Tell me 5 reasons why I should buy a Saab instead of Volvo, BMW or Audi? Not to mention if you present same question Europe and get Alfas, Renaults, Peugeots into picture.

JBlair
02-26-2005, 12:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GM could not have been any more clueless about Saab, they are currently planning to reskin the 9-5 for another extesion of its lifespan. why reskin the problematic chasis that is more than a decade old when you could start on a fresh slate if you want to compete.<p>First they designed the 9-3 for americans, than brought us the abominating 9-2 and 9-7, now spend cash to sugarcoat a rotten donut. How can one make so many mistakes?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its called money.......As you should have heard, Saab isn't making any. Why spend a couple hundred million dollars on a vehicle that likely wouldn't sell to well. Instead spend a fraction of that to re-skin until to the replacement has been properly gestated. And, mind you, the 9-2 and 9-7 could help provide the Cash to get Saab back on the rigth track.