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summersun54
02-08-2005, 03:53 AM
<A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=104347" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...04347</A><br>It has been reported in Autocar, and Edmonds that GM are to unveil at Geneva a new small Cadillac based entirely on the Saab 9-3..<br>It will seemingly use the 9-3 in its complete form it uses the chassis and body of the 9-3 along with the Fiat diesel engines and the new GM v6 headed for the Saab 9-3 <br>The car is to be built along side the 9-3 in Sweden.<br>Sounds like a slight top and tail of 9-3 to make a new Cadillac for Europe. It seemingly wont be for sale in the us (initially anyway)<p>GM are quoted a saying that when it is at full production they could build as many as 10,000 of these cross breeding babies..<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
02-08-2005, 05:03 AM
GM is going nuts

KebabGud
02-08-2005, 07:43 AM
i saw somewhere that the Saabillac whould be RWD .. but the 9-3 is FWD...<br>

JBlair
02-08-2005, 08:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i saw somewhere that the Saabillac whould be RWD .. but the 9-3 is FWD...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Saabillac has always been FWD, based on the Epsilon platform.

Santeno
02-08-2005, 09:18 AM
yeah blair is right. The rumors I read always said any small car would most likely be FWD. I wonder if GM will play the grill swapping game or if they are actually going to put forth some effort toward styling this thing.

iamalittlepepper
02-08-2005, 02:35 PM
So this Cadillac is going to do a 9-2 with Saab.. too bad.. because I thought the concept drawing of BTS looked pretty good.. I guess this is just a short term thing much like Catera?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah blair is right. The rumors I read always said any small car would most likely be FWD. I wonder if GM will play the grill swapping game or if they are actually going to put forth some effort toward styling this thing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

CalinG7
02-08-2005, 02:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iamalittlepepper</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So this Cadillac is going to do a 9-2 with Saab.. too bad.. because I thought the concept drawing of BTS looked pretty good.. I guess this is just a short term thing much like Catera?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, not a 9-2, it's supposed to be a 9-3. And yeah, the pictures we've seen, or drawings rather, have looked very good, IMO, but then they mostly always do, only to leave us disappointed with the final product. <p>Personally I think Cadillac should stop this strategy of making their cars a half or one full size larger than the competition. It just confuses matters and it only works in the US. Now it's taking extra investment to build two entry-level Cadillacs, one for the US and one for Europe, even though they're both supposed to be gaing after the 3-series.

syclone
02-08-2005, 07:05 PM
I think the plan for GM is to just sell any Caddy's in Europe to get the name out there. Do they even sell them here now? I've never seen one save for a few 50's and 60's classics, and those have all been LHD imports.

KebabGud
02-08-2005, 07:52 PM
if it has an american style interior .. the car is going to flopp.. but it is going to be made by saab .. soo.. ok .. i really dont know :P

Santeno
02-09-2005, 10:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if it has an american style interior .. the car is going to flopp.. but it is going to be made by saab .. soo.. ok .. i really dont know :P</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Have you even seen any interiors made by cadillac or other <U>recent</U> GM sedans? what is an "american" interior supposed to be - other than one having enough cup-holders for each passenger's big-gulp.

SV
02-09-2005, 04:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if it has an american style interior .. the car is going to flopp.. but it is going to be made by saab .. soo.. ok .. i really dont know :P</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you seem to be behind the times. american inteirors, cadillac especially, have made huge strides in recent years. i sat in an STS and IMO it's on par with the bmw 5er quality-wise.

nismo
02-09-2005, 07:06 PM
GM has made improvements but they still don't stack up to the Europeans in quality... I think Motortrend said the STS had a "Cavalier-like" interior(something like that). Lets not even mention the CTS <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> ...They have improved though. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 10:40 PM
the european GMs are very good

nismo
02-09-2005, 11:54 PM
yeah that is actually true... The Opels are nice and I actually want a SAAB 9-3 personally. <p>I hope GM makes this Caddy completely different from the 9-3 style and engine wise (except the diesel, thats ok). If the new 2.8V6 has to be shared I hope it doesn't get the SAAB turbo atleast. And I doubt it will be sold in the US, Cadillac doesn't want to sell anything cheaper than the CTS especially after releasing the base 2.8V6 model..<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by nismo at 11:02 PM 2/9/2005</i>

summersun54
02-10-2005, 05:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah that is actually true... The Opels are nice and I actually want a SAAB 9-3 personally. <p>I hope GM makes this Caddy completely different from the 9-3 style and engine wise (except the diesel, thats ok). If the new 2.8V6 has to be shared I hope it doesn't get the SAAB turbo atleast. And I doubt it will be sold in the US, Cadillac doesn't want to sell anything cheaper than the CTS especially after releasing the base 2.8V6 model..<p><br><i>Modified by nismo at 11:02 PM 2/9/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I doubt that it will be a very diff car from the 9-3.when you consider the timeframe given for <br>(a) GM deciding that they wanted to produce a small Cadillac<p>(b) the proposed production date of this new (slightly different blandish Saab 9-3) model..<p>It will be a diff grill and front and rear lights to bring the Cadillac look to Europe for the masses.<p>The reports have already stated that it will use the 9-3's body and some of its engines<p>

summersun54
02-10-2005, 06:03 AM
It sounds like a role reversal for Saab. Instead of having someone elses car thrown at them for re-badging (9-2,9-7.) their car will now be used to make a small caddy .<p>I.M.O. It will again be a short term solution to a long term strategy, use the 9-3 now to get the name out there and hopefully develop a stand alone model with the next epsilon chassis <p> A Bit like the Saab 9-2 and 9-7.. Quick and cheap to show your face in segments you never were in before and next generation develop a new distinct model..<p>Thats the theory according to GM now lets see if it workscause if we have to digest too many more of these re-badges it will lend very little credibility of the car companies involved going forward, unless they get the new car at the end of the 1st generations lifecycle<br>

KebabGud
02-10-2005, 08:14 AM
i have been in a new caddy.. and it cheap plastic .. it sound hollow whan you tapp it.. somthing that alsow brings down the feel..<br>im sorry .. its just crap... <br>im sorry

SV
02-11-2005, 09:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have been in a new caddy.. and it cheap plastic .. it sound hollow whan you tapp it.. somthing that alsow brings down the feel..<br>im sorry .. its just crap... <br>im sorry</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well which cadillac was it? i've sat in all of them and personally i like them all, the 5er isn't much better inside than any cadillac, if at all

TeeDi
02-12-2005, 05:15 PM
I guess this is another new Cadillac we wont be getting here in Australia?? Just like the new SAAB's as well, like the 9-2X and 9-7X, that we wont get either.<p>When will GM realise that there are other market's around the world, besided Europe and North America??<p>SAAB is stuggling like h*** here in Australia and need's some new product and Cadillac say's it's coming, but don't hold you're breath!!<p>It's so b***** frustrating.

Roadster44
02-17-2005, 06:54 PM
I think its a mistake they should have done a proper real wheel drive sedan as opposed to dealing doing the Saabillac. FWD, same dimensions as Saab? Same characteristics...pointless.

summersun54
02-18-2005, 02:51 AM
Not quite pointless..it is a quick and easyway to gew into the executive class in europe..to develop a new car from scratch would have cost billions rather than the 250million the new caddy is reputed to have cost.. go figure... for a max of 10,000 units a year a new RHD car (while a great idea)would have been a no brainer..<br>now for the second geraration only time wil tell if a rwd alternative should be used

Roadster44
02-18-2005, 06:22 AM
I think it hurts Saab and doesnt give Cadillac many positive selling points. Everyone will know that the car is just a patch in a hole.

summersun54
02-21-2005, 07:05 AM
that is a valid opinion ...personaly I like the caddy it is distinctive enough from Saab to be different.<p>GM needs caddy in europe and the world and yes the vectra platfrom cheapens cadillac dtus far exclusive RHD sigma. platform <p>but they are not well known here in europe and wont get huge sales out of the box,,,the time it would take to develop a car from scratch would severly limit cadallic ability to go world widenow...the cts and sts (while fine cars)are too big to sell in any large numbers in europe so a smaller car was necessary to get the brand out there