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spwolf
02-02-2005, 12:03 PM
TOKYO: Toyota Motors and Subaru-maker Fuji Heavy Industries may cooperate in hybrid vehicles in another development that could establish Toyota's system as the de facto standard for the fuel-saving technology. <p>A spokesman at Fuji Heavy said that although the company had not entered formal talks with Japan's top auto maker, there was a "very high chance" that Toyota's hybrid system would be the best match for its vehicles. <p>Toyota, which has so far agreed a licensing deal with rival Nissan Motor to supply its hybrid system, has said it would welcome similar deals with other auto makers because higher production volumes would help it reduce per-unit costs. <p>Toyota accounts for the majority of hybrid vehicles sold in the world now, and also licenses part of its technology to Ford Motor. <p>A deal between the two Japanese companies would underscore Toyota's dominance in the field because Subaru would be choosing its technology over a less efficient hybrid system developed by General Motors, its biggest shareholder. <p>GM said in December it would develop a new hybrid technology with DaimlerChrysler AG to catch up with leaders Toyota and Honda Motor, but the technology is best suited for bigger vehicles. <p>The Fuji Heavy spokesman said his company was still studying internally what type of cooperation, if any, it would need for its hybrid vehicles. <p>More:<br><A HREF="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1008320,curpg-1.cms" TARGET="_blank">http://economictimes.indiatime...1.cms</A>

Naga Royal Guard
02-02-2005, 01:26 PM
this cant happen, how would GM allow it, then again they do buy Honda engines for Saturn ( its a diesel engine trade from what i heard )

KebabGud
02-02-2005, 03:25 PM
thats Ford (right?), Nissan.. PSA (right?) and maby Porsche... <br> and now maby subaru...<br> whow .. toyotas making big bucks on that system

anonms
02-02-2005, 06:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats Ford (right?), Nissan.. PSA (right?) and maby Porsche... <br> and now maby subaru...<br> whow .. toyotas making big bucks on that system</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No. Ford uses their own system that uses numerous patents licensed from Toyota.

KebabGud
02-03-2005, 06:29 AM
yes.. but as you say .. patents licensed from Toyota... so..

SV
02-03-2005, 06:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes.. but as you say .. patents licensed from Toyota... so..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes, but that doesn't mean it's built by toyota and given to ford, or that ford is building toyota hybrid systems.

spwolf
02-03-2005, 10:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV3</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>yes, but that doesn't mean it's built by toyota and given to ford, or that ford is building toyota hybrid systems.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>since "Fords" hybrids system was mostly designed by supporting companies (for lowering costs), and they copied Toyota's designs, they had to license the technology.<p>Ford did not have time or money to actually design this from grounds up so what they did is bring all of the suppliers together and make them build system with oversee by Ford. This brought them numerous issues because suppliers didnt like working together and whole system ended up being 1 yr late with licensing patents from Toyota.<p>So it is not the same - Nissan, Porsche and Subaru are going to use Toyota's built system while Ford just used the technology.<p>p.s. Porsche exec said week ago that they will most likely use HSD for their SUV as only way to bring Porsche's emissions to levels that wont be penalized by EPA by upcoming laws...

anonms
02-03-2005, 08:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>So it is not the same - Nissan, Porsche and Subaru are going to use Toyota's built system while Ford just used the technology.<p>p.s. Porsche exec said week ago that they will most likely use HSD for their SUV as only way to bring Porsche's emissions to levels that wont be penalized by EPA by upcoming laws...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So does no one like Honda's system or is Honda unwilling to let other companies use the IMA?

Naga Royal Guard
02-03-2005, 09:08 PM
from the first days of the Prius' international debut, Toyota stated they would license the technology to any company who asked for it ; basically a nice way if asking others if they wanted part of the R&D bill<br>

spwolf
02-05-2005, 05:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chibi ichigo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So does no one like Honda's system or is Honda unwilling to let other companies use the IMA?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMA is much simpler system than HSD and much less efficient... On the other hand, HSD is the best system out there so everyone tries to license it...<p>Toyota was always ready to share their technology and expertise with their competitors, of course at a price... I remember we were told a story how Toyota's engineers went into Renaults factory to show them the magic of TPS (Toyota production system), and once they got in, they asked why are they in the storage facility and where is the factory... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">