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Santeno
01-27-2005, 02:54 PM
It seems like Lexus is serious about providing valid competition to MB and BMW. Here is an article from Autoweek which talks abouthow lexus will be re-designing all their sedan lines (LS, IS, ES & GS - which was just re-done) by 2006:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101663" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101663</A><p>Add to that another coupe slotting in below the SC, a sports car, and and LX replacement and lexus ought to be a very interesting place to work at for the next couple of years.

Flagship
01-27-2005, 06:43 PM
I love all Lexus cars(MY favorite luxury car company) But I have to say this... THANK GOD!Lexus made a smart move. <p>Now lets say bad things about the cars before they ever come out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> Just like all of you did with the new GS.

SV
01-27-2005, 08:48 PM
saying the ES will be completely redone by 2006 is a bit of a stretch though; technically the next one is supposed to arrive for the 2007MY in calendar year 2006 with the camry, right? anyway, this is good, i like lexus's new styling direction (at least they have one now :P). i'm excited, since i've always liked lexus and this should make me like them even more <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
01-28-2005, 06:36 AM
If Lexus is serious about a performance image they need to do a great new IS and dump the Camry-Buick ES. An RX with less bulbous/garish styling would be a plus as well.

Reppu
01-28-2005, 07:11 AM
Naga, how comes you have nothing to say about this?

Naga Royal Guard
01-28-2005, 01:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Naga, how comes you have nothing to say about this?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>i feel the love <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> but i havent logged in until now for today <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Lexus knows that the IS floped against the 3 series for the following reasons:<p>-Lack of body styles 2 vs 4 or 5<br>-Lack of Diesel<br>-Lack of engine choice, if they ignor using smaller engines it could still hurt then im europe<p>Europe is the most demanding market in some ways and now that toyota is finding a working strategy in there it will be applied to lexus ( toyota offers more body styles and more engines, and they sell now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> )

HondaTech
01-28-2005, 04:13 PM
I'm hoping for a more interesting looking LS, no more old M-Benz look, please. Hire ItalDesign or the other Italian design house(starts with a P but don't know how to spell it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> ) if they can't do that on their own.<p>The ES is fine, it can still be competitive for a few years. Perhaps losing some sales to the new Avalon, which seems to offer a lot more for the money.<p>I don't like the IS at all. It's interior seems average qualilty even if this car has a Toyota badge on it. The exterior seems to be a mix of BMW, Benz, and ricer. I also heard that it has a choppy ride. Toyota need to correct all these flaws and then some if they're serious about competing against the 3-series, especially in Europe.<p>However, I LOVE the new GS. It's by far the best looking car in it's class. Hopefully they'll use this car as a starting point for the next LS.

LEXUS FAN!
01-28-2005, 06:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I love all Lexus cars(MY favorite luxury car company) But I have to say this... THANK GOD!Lexus made a smart move. <p>Now lets say bad things about the cars before they ever come out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> Just like all of you did with the new GS.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, I agree. Except my favorite Lexus is probably the new GS or the RX hybrid.<p>My mom has the SC though.<p>I can't wait for these cars, especially the GS 450h.

Cozz
01-28-2005, 06:58 PM
It's not like Lexus has a choice on this. The Germans are coming out with more trucks that will compete directly with all of Lexus's trucks, their main market and strong hold. The only thing is to update most of the sedans and offer more options with them. Hopefully, that will keep them #1 in the US because BMW is getting very close.

scorpio14
01-28-2005, 10:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV3</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">saying the ES will be completely redone by 2006 is a bit of a stretch though; technically the next one is supposed to arrive for the 2007MY in calendar year 2006 with the camry, right? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Im sure itll be done IN 2006 as the 2007 model....even the LS would be done in 2006...dont think either would be coming out this year?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>HondaTech</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hopefully they'll use this car as a starting point for the next LS.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I Think all...IS, ES and LS will share similar styling with the new GS....all should look sleek like the GS does

Top Secret
01-28-2005, 11:31 PM
Good news - hopefully by the end of next year or so Lexus will have a dedicated sporting side to their cars. If Lexus wants to be compared to the likes of the Germans internationally, they will have to have a more sporting side to their cars, much like the M and AMG tuning divisions. Lexus were onto something when they released the IS430 concept - let's just hope they can pull it off.

Naga Royal Guard
01-29-2005, 12:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>HondaTech</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>However, I LOVE the new GS. It's by far the best looking car in it's class. Hopefully they'll use this car as a starting point for the next LS.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>its further prooof they dont need help from italian styling houses <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
01-29-2005, 06:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>its further prooof they dont need help from italian styling houses <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Lexus had a concept by ItalDesign, it was a distaster <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-29-2005, 11:21 AM
the current GS was designed by one of the italian houses, look how awfully that car has aged, its trying to say too many things at once<p>the new one is unmistakable GS, so toyota basically corrected and evolved it<p>and after that wonderful Buick Century job on the Quatroporte, and that WTF going on on the 612 Spegetti, maybe Pininfarins needs to calm down from drawing majic marker post-puberty designs

HondaTech
01-31-2005, 05:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the current GS was designed by one of the italian houses, look how awfully that car has aged, its trying to say too many things at once<p>the new one is unmistakable GS, so toyota basically corrected and evolved it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe it's the first GS(93) that was designed by Italdesign. It looks great. The current GS is designed in house by Toyota, as did this all new GS. As good looking as it is, it's still evolved from the first GS by ItalDesign, and by far the best looking Lexus. So ItalDesign has helped Toyota quite a bit on Lexus styling. They also designed the Toyota Volta concept, which looked far better than the LF-A.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>and after that wonderful Buick Century job on the Quatroporte, and that WTF going on on the 612 Spegetti, maybe Pininfarins needs to calm down from drawing majic marker post-puberty designs</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So the Quatroporte looked like a Buick Century? Come on, Naga. It may not be the best looking sedan out there, but it looks far more unique than a Lexus LS, and has nothing to be with any decade old Mercedes.

Naga Royal Guard
01-31-2005, 07:10 AM
i agree to some extent, but look at the LF-S, thats where the direction of the new GS came from, and that was entirely an in house design, and also why I am sure toyota needs nobody's help now<p>and the Quatroporte is nice from the side and rear, but the front just dont work

Roadster44
02-01-2005, 04:39 PM
Toyota is really on the mission now to dominate the market. As much as I don't like their lineup, I still respect what they have done, their correct interpretation of different world markets according to consumers' tastes, not to mention the quality. They have their act together. I just would really like to see more performance oriented cars.

Naga Royal Guard
02-01-2005, 05:22 PM
whats annoying is they have the nice stuff hidden in JDM sales damnit toyota :(

KebabGud
02-02-2005, 04:40 AM
not just toyota .. nissan has all the good stuff back "home" ..<br>

Santeno
02-03-2005, 09:55 AM
well, it seems that lexus is not just going through a massive redesign, but that it is also borrowing a page from the BMW book of model development. Check out this article from Autoweek Magazine & Automotive News:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LEXUS LEARNS FROM BMW EXAMPLE, PLANS TO MAKE MORE CHANGES, MORE OFTEN TO LINEUP<p>Lexus executives are admitting they can learn something from BMW.<p>Typically, when Lexus redesigns a vehicle, it makes changes to the sheet metal and upgrades the engine simultaneously. BMW, on the other hand, alternates the timing of sheet metal and powertrain changes. That way, there always is something relatively new about the vehicle.<p>Lexus executives have taken note of this approach and will apply it where possible, said Lexus General Manager Denny Clements at a press event here.<p>"We don't need to do everything at once," Clements said. "We should have something newsworthy every year, and not just the paint color and headliner."<p>The new approach will be applied first to the redesigned 2006 Lexus GS sedan. At launch, it will use a carryover 4.3-liter V-8 engine, as well as a new 3.0-liter V-6 base engine. But Toyota has applied for trademarks for the names "GS 460" and "GS 350," which could indicate midcycle displacement increases.<p>"We want to keep our cars relevant, fresh and exciting, not just alive," said Andrew Coetzee, vice president of product planning for Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. "We are not going to let our powertrains just sit on the shelf."<p>The changes may not happen at typical times, either. In the case of the ES 330 sedan, Lexus waited just 18 months from the launch of the ES 300 to replace the engine.<p>Lexus also is looking at off-the-shelf technology to add every model year.<p>Said Clements: "If I can get a five-speed automatic up to a six-speed or can get all-wheel drive or a derivative, then I'll get it."</TD></TR></TABLE>

Naga Royal Guard
02-03-2005, 12:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The new approach will be applied first to the redesigned 2006 Lexus GS sedan. At launch, it will use a carryover 4.3-liter V-8 engine, as well as a new 3.0-liter V-6 base engine. But Toyota has applied for trademarks for the names "GS 460" and "GS 350," which could indicate midcycle displacement increases.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok, good we should see it after 2 or 3 years, i guess the 4 or 5uz-fe V8 will bow then (460), a further updated version of the current 3uz-fe <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0">