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Cozz
01-16-2005, 09:10 PM
I thought it was 100% sure that DCX would not bring the SMART over to the US. I now read that Chrysler CEO just gave away a free SMART in Detroit on the 10th and CBS has a story about DCX bring the SMART to the US. The report isn't even a week old. Any one got info on twhat's going on? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
01-16-2005, 09:20 PM
Sorry if I'm wrong but I believe SMART is coming but they aren't going to offer the small 2 seater thing. The ForFour and ForMore (?) are suppose to come but are being delayed because of marketing problems and the ForMore isn't ready.

Top Secret
01-17-2005, 03:41 AM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050114.003/smart/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/n....html</A>

zwei Biere bitte
01-17-2005, 12:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050114.003/smart/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/n....html</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>There's that GCF article, yet there is an article on AutoWeek about how smart will probably not come to the U.S, but then smart had their cars on display at NAIAS, and they sponser lots of U.S marathons. SO WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

rman5001
01-17-2005, 05:30 PM
Maybe they're trying to build a buzz and media attention. We have them in Canada which is a market that's between the US and Europe (still have US tastes, but geared more towards smaller vehicles.). Maybe the Smart is doing better than expected here and DCX is getting ideas?

fubar
01-18-2005, 10:52 AM
Here's an article from automotive news<p>Smart's debut in U.S. may be delayed, killed<br>DaimlerChrysler's small-car brand is a money-loser<p><br>By Diana T. Kurylko<br>Automotive News / January 17, 2005<p><br>DETROIT -- Despite a brave showing at the Detroit auto show, the Smart brand may not even come to the United States after all. <p>Eckhard Cordes, the new head of Mercedes-Benz passenger cars, has frozen ForMore development. The small SUV was to have been the lone Smart vehicle at launch in the United States in September 2006, with other vehicles to be added in 2007. <p>Cordes says Smart may come to the United States even if the small SUV is axed. But that's only one of his four possible scenarios for the United States. One of those options: Cancel plans for the U.S. launch. <p>More important than entering new countries such as the United States and China, Cordes says, is making Smart profitable in the 36 markets where it's already sold. The 6-year-old brand, launched in Europe with the tiny two-seat City Coupe, has been a money-loser for parent DaimlerChrysler AG. <p>"I am convinced to fix Smart we have to make sure we operate Smart on a reasonable profitability level in the 36 countries," Cordes says. "If we say, 'Yes, we can do that,' then I see some potential, and then the U.S. might be a market, and China might be another one. But first things first -- make sure the core operations are doing OK." <p>Smart is a top priority for Cordes, 54, who took over as head at Mercedes-Benz car group on Oct. 1. Cordes replaced Juergen Hubbert, who is retiring. Cordes previously headed the commercial vehicles division. <p>At the end of 2004, Cordes ordered a review of the ailing Smart division. Smart's lineup consists of the original two-seater, renamed ForTwo; the Roadster; and a four-seat, five-door hatchback called the ForFour. Neither the ForTwo nor the ForFour meets U.S. emissions standards. <p>Cordes says there are four possibilities for the United States. <p>1. Cancel plans to come. <p>2. Launch Smart with the ForMore as planned. <p>3. Bring the ForMore and then the ForTwo. <p>4. Build the ForTwo and ForFour to meet U.S. standards. <p>He would not say which scenario he favors. "What drives me is profit," he said. "At the end of the day, if you want to survive, you must be profitable. You can't afford to have any hobbies." <p>Cordes says the Smart review, which began at the end of last year, will last at least three months, but not a year: <p>"We have told our suppliers. They know we will get back to them. For us, this is a very important decision. If it takes four weeks more, then it takes four weeks more." <p>Despite the freeze, U.S. executives of Mercedes-Benz and Smart put on a brave face as more than a dozen Smarts buzzed around Detroit streets during the auto show. Mercedes-Benz USA has been seeking as many as 80 U.S. dealerships. <p>David Schembri, vice president of Smart USA, and Scott Keogh, general manager of Smart USA, headed the effort. In September, Schembri said Smart would begin signing dealers in the first quarter of this year. <p>"We want to have a close look to what reaction we get in the United States and in the Midwest," says Paul Halata, CEO of Mercedes-Benz USA LLC. <p>"We are waiting to tell our colleagues in Stuttgart what is coming out of Detroit." <p>Smart had its first stand at the Detroit show. The current lineup was there, but the expected ForMore concept was a no-show. <p>Halata says work to line up U.S. Smart dealerships continues: "We will be analyzing the data over the next months and wait for our activities to see what comes out of this Detroit activity." <p><br>

Roadster44
01-18-2005, 06:26 PM
I think it will happen. But ForMore program for a small SUV has been killed. However I'm sure we will see Fortwo, ForFour, Roadster and coupe. Too much exposure. They just can't set it up right.

nismo
01-18-2005, 06:58 PM
I wonder if they could put the 1.8 version of their new 4cylinder into the ForFour. I can see it as competition for both the Scion hatches and even the base Mini. I think they're going to have to distribute them in other dealerships besides Benz because Benz owners don't want to buy their $55k E-class the same place as someone buying a $18k compact. Maybe sell as stand alone brand, sell them mostly through ordering/catalog, or one of the other DCX brands.

Cozz
01-18-2005, 09:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder if they could put the 1.8 version of their new 4cylinder into the ForFour. I can see it as competition for both the Scion hatches and even the base Mini. I think they're going to have to distribute them in other dealerships besides Benz because Benz owners don't want to buy their $55k E-class the same place as someone buying a $18k compact. Maybe sell as stand alone brand, sell them mostly through ordering/catalog, or one of the other DCX brands. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was thinking the same thing. Could be seen at Dodge or Mitsu dealers.<p>I wouldn't mind seeing the A-class as a SMART in the US. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
01-19-2005, 10:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I was thinking the same thing. Could be seen at Dodge or Mitsu dealers.<p>I wouldn't mind seeing the A-class as a SMART in the US. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol, thankfully few things are sacred in the MB, and they dont rebadge... It aint no GM.<br>You should know better.

Cozz
01-20-2005, 07:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>lol, thankfully few things are sacred in the MB, and they dont rebadge... It aint no GM.<br>You should know better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You have to rmember- they already do that with the Sprinters. And Toyota seems to do it perfectly as well.

Naga Royal Guard
01-20-2005, 07:48 PM
right on, the LS 430 is just a rebadged camry <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

syclone
01-22-2005, 10:34 PM
no, but the is300 is a rebadged altezza, and the scions are rebadged jdm toyotas

NOM15
01-23-2005, 12:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, but the is300 is a rebadged altezza</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I'd like to add some to that list <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> (we all know this, but I'm bored <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p>Lexus Toyota<p>LS430 = Celsior<br>SC430 = Soarer<br>GS430/400/300 = Aristo<br>ES300 = Windom<br>LX470 = Cygnus<br>RX330 = Harrier<br>etc.<p>sorry for OT <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by NOM15 at 9:48 PM 1/23/2005</i>

Roadster44
01-25-2005, 01:40 PM
Okay this is what I found out from my newly found frien Lena at NAIAS. Smart is definitely pumped about entering US market, they are doing market research. She went on to say that there has been a TON of positive feedback. She was very surprised just how much people know about the Smart lineup. Oh and ForMore has been killed. But rest of the cars will be here within next two years.