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drugmirko
01-04-2005, 03:24 PM
<br>didn't realy get much out of article, cause I can't speak dutch, but thre's fearce debate about Ferrari SUV that would compete with Porsh Cayene. Cayene took over 8% of SUV maket share (or climbed for that percentage in fiscal year 03/04 ???) and earned almost 700 mio euro -hefty sume <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> - for Porshe. news popped out not only on forums, but even in news section of Autoweek.nl and Autoscoops.tk.<p>and since Alfa and Ferrari are under Fiat's roof, somebody nicked Yellow Cab was kind enough to quickly shop Alfa's Kamal into Ferrari SUV:<p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/yellooh_cab/cars/FerrariSUV.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>and here's link to short news article if dutch speakers could correct me or add some more info that I didn' decyfer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=3121" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.nl/newsdis...=3121</A><p>source autoweek.nl

drugmirko
01-04-2005, 03:27 PM
<br>I'd rather see SUV from slightly less premium Fiat's brand Masserati to make into production. it is quite a while since they showed it. and I still like it!<p>Kubang:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.classicdriver.de/upload/images/_uk/11432/img03pop.jpg" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
01-04-2005, 03:31 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.classicdriver.de/upload/images/_uk/11432/img02pop.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>it seems somewhat more adequate for that segment. not so.... posh. but still classy, as Land Rovers.<p>phtos from autoweek.nl

BMW rulez
01-04-2005, 04:18 PM
Fiat owns Ferrari?<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>62Lincoln</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ferrari would never be crazy enough to dilute their heritage to produce an SUV. Ferrari does not need to produce the extra income, since they are owned by Fiat. Porsche, on the other hand, is privately held, and must create income streams from diverse areas. Still think the Cayenne is an ugly monstrosity.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Riatanas
01-04-2005, 05:05 PM
A Maserati SUV would be way more reasonable than a Ferrari SUV. Maserati already has the Quattroporte, why not make an SUV? Something like the Kubang would be awesome. The Kubang looks way better than the Cayenne IMO, it's close or even better than the X5 in my humble opinion.

syclone
01-04-2005, 05:14 PM
Fiat Group owns 56% of Ferrari-Maserati, which is a controlling stake. Fiat group owns 90% of Fiat Auto (Fiat, Lancia, Alfa), and 100% of Iveco (commercial trucks), and a whole bunch of machinery, farm equimepent, and other totally non-automotive stuff. Also, Fiat - I'm not sure if its Fiat Group, or just Fiat Auto, itself is in trouble financially these days, and there have been talks of a GM takeover. There is some bizarre relationship with GM there right now that I'm not sure anyone short of those with degrees in financing understand.<p>Sorry I don't know all the details, hope that helps a little, though.

Top Secret
01-04-2005, 05:27 PM
Yes, since Maserati and Ferrari are so closely related, I think Maserati should develop more mainstream models, which still have a bit of Ferrari in them, and Ferrari stick with sports cars.<p>BTW, just today, I saw my first ever Quattroporte, which is a big thing on the Gold Coast becuase you don't see such awesome cars so soon.

taskbearer
01-04-2005, 10:26 PM
Ferrari would never stoop so low as to follow whta every body is doing, they really don't need an SUV. Do you know that ferrari makes sure their sales don;t go above 3500cars/tear? They need that low volume to preserve their rarity and brand catche. Also there are enough customers out there to keep the company rolling. <p>Porche wanted to make an SUV, they had the chance to reinvent the class but instead they ended up sticking an ugly nose on a jacked up wagon.

hwrd_roark
01-05-2005, 12:52 AM
Enzo Ferrari would be turning in his grave if there is any truth to this rumor.

bolita
01-05-2005, 07:51 AM
I would place Lamborghini in the same level of exclusiveness as Ferrari and they have produced and probably will produce an Exotic SUV.<p>I believe that it is not so much an issue of producing an SUV it would be more what type of Off Roader. I don't see a problem with a super exclusive rare 4x4 produced by Ferrari. They will never produce a mainstream volume model SUV but an exotic.. why not <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

hwrd_roark
01-05-2005, 09:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would place Lamborghini in the same level of exclusiveness as Ferrari and they have produced and probably will produce an Exotic SUV.<p>I believe that it is not so much an issue of producing an SUV it would be more what type of Off Roader. I don't see a problem with a super exclusive rare 4x4 produced by Ferrari. They will never produce a mainstream volume model SUV but an exotic.. why not <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The difference is in the spirit of the company. Lamborghini was originally a tractor manufacturer and then decided to make a foray into sports cars. For further examples, Mercedes-Benz has long history of making trucks and industrial type things. BMW did airplane engines.<p>Enzo Ferrari was so focused on racing. Ferrari has always been competing on the track year in and year out. The philosophy is to trickle technology down to their road cars. In fact, Enzo would not have even gotten into making road cars if not for LeMans winner Luigi Chinetti convincing him to make a few road-going versions to sell to financiers and movie stars in the US to provide funding for more R&D for their racing cars.<p>Ferry Porsche went the opposite route and went on to emphasize production of sporty pure road cars (vs. track-derived cars) because it was much more lucrative.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hwrd_roark at 5:01 PM 1/5/2005</i>

Santeno
01-05-2005, 10:35 AM
Guys don't read too much into this. This info comes from an interview with a Ferrari executive (I can't remember who right now). All he said was that he couldn't talk about product plans but wouldn't discount the idea of an SUV. At no point have they said anything about actually building one. I would expect to see such a vehicle from Maserati long before seeing it in Ferrari. IMO ferrari would be better served by introducing a line of super sedans (performance above the quatroporte), than to dabble in SUV's.

Ascariss
01-05-2005, 10:37 AM
Who comes up with this sh**? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> Sometimes magazines are too bored. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> What's next, a hatch Ferrari, or better yet, a Bentley to compete against the 1er.

syclone
01-05-2005, 01:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a hatch Ferrari</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Already exists. The Sultan of Brunei had a small series of 456-based five-doors commissioned a while back. I mean, its a custom job, but they did come from the Ferrari factory, so they do in fact exist out there somewhere.

hwrd_roark
01-05-2005, 02:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Already exists. The Sultan of Brunei had a small series of 456-based five-doors commissioned a while back. I mean, its a custom job, but they did come from the Ferrari factory, so they do in fact exist out there somewhere.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>here's a pic of the Pininfarina-Ferrari 456 Venice Estate built for the Sultan of Brunei although I'm not sure I would say its a hatchback or even wagon -- I'd go with the term shooting brake. Only five were made and the Sultan also requested other variations -- e.g. spyder, sedan.<p><IMG SRC="http://web.telia.com/~u87629310/ytterfilen/Ferrari%20456%20GT%20kombi/venice-1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hwrd_roark at 9:39 PM 1/5/2005</i>

Designo
01-05-2005, 08:52 PM
why do so many people think the Cayenne is ugly? isn't the Kubang even uglier?? (fatter, huge nose...) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
01-07-2005, 12:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> IMO ferrari would be better served by introducing a line of super sedans (performance above the quatroporte), than to dabble in SUV's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly, this was the idea porsche missed when they canned their sports sedan programm in favor of the Cayenne SUV. They could have saved the cash needed to develope an entirely new enigne and would have improved their heritage unlike the heritage degrading Cayenne. <p>Talking of engines, Have you guys noticed that the cayenne does not recieve as much praise as the 911 boxer6 receive. Thats a shame because even BMW manages to receive praise for every single engine they build.

Top Secret
01-07-2005, 05:09 AM
What I know, Porsche is still going ahead with their sport sedan project?

syclone
01-07-2005, 05:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>They could have saved the cash needed to develope an entirely new enigne and would have improved their heritage unlike the heritage degrading Cayenne. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Both would have degraded heritage. The Cayenne, at least, has sold very well.

Santeno
01-07-2005, 10:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hwrd_roark</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...I'm not sure I would say its a hatchback or even wagon -- I'd go with the term shooting brake...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Shooting Breaks are coupe based (they have two doors), but have elongated cargo compartments, so they can't quite be called hatchbacks. The Ferrari in you picture is a wagon.

Naga Royal Guard
01-07-2005, 03:37 PM
some magazines ( the jackrag morons at car and driver) refered to the Lexus IS 300 SportCrosse as a shooting break

Bass-o-Matic
01-07-2005, 08:14 PM
javascript: showNoteWindow('kamal-01.html', 'pic1')<br>javascript: showNoteWindow('kamal-02.html', 'pic2')<p>Looks like Alfa Romeo Kamal show vehicle from 2003 Geneva Show<p>I'd rather an Alfa CUV than a Ferrari CUV