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Banker
01-03-2005, 12:15 PM
Does anyone know anything about the upcoming 2007 Dodge and Chrysler minivans?<p>Specs?<br>Engines?<br>Transmissions?<br>Interior inovations?

Santeno
01-03-2005, 12:31 PM
I've only heard two vague staements. One is that from a styling point of view, they are supposed to move further away from traditional minivan styling (the big jelly-bean look) and incorporate more of Chrysler's "Neo-Deco" look. The Dodge Caravan is supposed to take styling cues from the Kahuna concept of a few years ago. <p>The other statement I heard was that they are supposed to be best in class in every category (whatever that means) and that there is a distinct posibility that the new minivans will see a fair degree of component sharing with Mercedes (there are rumors of RWD, but that's just it, rumors).<p>Perhaps someone else knows more specifics.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 2:43 PM 1/3/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
01-03-2005, 01:55 PM
just became 2005 ( like only a few days ago! ) and you want such detailed specifics on them? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Banker
01-03-2005, 03:41 PM
The other detail is that they will use a version of the 2005 platform therefore retaining the fold flat seats.<p>This time next year I imagine that a preview will hit the auto show circuit.

Naga Royal Guard
01-03-2005, 05:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">T<p>This time next year I imagine that a preview will hit the auto show circuit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>then why ask now? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>plenty of time for Ford to turn their newly acquired chassis into a killer minivan ( volvo size and comfort with mazda's interior flex)

taskbearer
01-04-2005, 12:38 AM
If the next dodge caravans keep 85% of the kahuna's looks, they'd be really goodlooking. now all we have to do is hope.<br>

Naga Royal Guard
01-04-2005, 06:19 AM
maybe DCX will be the first to break from the miniscule wheel/tire packages

Banker
01-04-2005, 09:32 AM
I seriously doubt Ford has enough time to create even a half way competitive minivan. They have been trying for the last 15 years and haven't been sucessful. GM and Ford have failed miserably in this area. Honda, Toyota and Kia (imagine that!) are the only ones to really break the code on how to make a minivan. The next Hyundia and Kia minivans will probably kill Fords Freestar and the GM CSV's. Right after the Hyundia and Kia's hit the market then DCX will introduce their new vans.<p>Ford and GM have no hope for the next five years.

boston
01-06-2005, 08:28 PM
What the Kahuna some PT Cruiser cross with a powerwagon idea?

taskbearer
01-07-2005, 01:27 AM
Depending on your opinion, anyways the concept turned out to be fantastic.

mike5.9
01-18-2005, 04:12 PM
In order to score a homerun hit with the 2007 minivans, Chrysler needs to create a unique vehicle that will outstyle, outrun, and outsell the current lot of competitors. First, they need to design the vehicle so that it stands out in a crowd and so that it is uniquely a Chrysler product. With their design brilliance, they should be able to create a sexy, desirable vehicle. Second, they need to keep the price at or below the current minivans so that they can have a value advantage over the other minivans. Lastly, Chrysler needs to focus more on the power and performance of the minivan so that it can outrun its competitors. Rear-wheel drive and a large V6 or even a V8 (can you say HEMI?) would be sufficient enough to give the Chrysler minivans a performance edge. That is one of the downfalls of the current minivans; they lack power. Make it run like hell and they will come. And how would it feel to outrun a sports car, in a minivan? For those people who need a minivan, power is the one thing that they have been deprived of for the past 20 years. Let's create a product that will inspire more people to choose this type of vehicle not just because it fits into their lifestyle, but it also fits their budget and their expectations for a fun-to-drive vehicle. Just a thought...

anonms
01-18-2005, 04:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mike5.9</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In order to score a homerun hit with the 2007 minivans, Chrysler needs to create a unique vehicle that will outstyle, outrun, and outsell the current lot of competitors. First, they need to design the vehicle so that it stands out in a crowd and so that it is uniquely a Chrysler product. With their design brilliance, they should be able to create a sexy, desirable vehicle. Second, they need to keep the price at or below the current minivans so that they can have a value advantage over the other minivans. Lastly, Chrysler needs to focus more on the power and performance of the minivan so that it can outrun its competitors. Rear-wheel drive and a large V6 or even a V8 (can you say HEMI?) would be sufficient enough to give the Chrysler minivans a performance edge. That is one of the downfalls of the current minivans; they lack power. Make it run like hell and they will come. And how would it feel to outrun a sports car, in a minivan? For those people who need a minivan, power is the one thing that they have been deprived of for the past 20 years. Let's create a product that will inspire more people to choose this type of vehicle not just because it fits into their lifestyle, but it also fits their budget and their expectations for a fun-to-drive vehicle. Just a thought...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think...... fun-to-drive conflicts with lots-of-easily-nauseated-children.

Player4
01-18-2005, 05:31 PM
I dont think ANY minivan should have a V8 because actually minivans are all about more room, cheaper, and consume less gan than an SUV so i think they should stay away from any engine bigger than a V6. They just need to know how to make a good V6 engine for example look at the Honda Odyssey it has a 3.5L engine with 255hp and 252lb ft of torque, has superb MPG, and outruns the competition and from what i know is one of the best or the best minivan in its class engine wise.<p>So like i said they need the ability to make a good V6, and also like otehr said great desgin, inproved detailing, nice looking interiors, and just a great overall package.

Santeno
01-18-2005, 06:49 PM
Nice rant mike, however there is one flaw. You won't see the minivan be RWD. That set-up compromises cabin storage and layout (if you don't want to make the vehicle site several inches up in the air). RWD is just not conducive to what minivans are designed to do these days. I suspect that that role will be more and more occupied by minivan like crossovers, in which convenience is not quite as much of a ptremium as it is with minivans.

Cozz
01-18-2005, 09:29 PM
I expect the new DCX minivan to have a glass roof feature found on some MB concepts. Or something like dual sun roofs.

Banker
01-19-2005, 11:59 AM
Chrysler needs a new high feature DOHC VVT High Output V6. The current 3.8L OHV unit is antiquated and while it does a good job of hauling around the existing vans it needs some work. Chrysler would do well by making the 3.8L the base engine and then offering an updated version of the 3.5L with around 270 HP for the uplevel vans.<p>Also, they need to bring out a new transmission. Can we say six-speed?<p>Give us fuel economy and performance. Please.

VexedandGlorious
01-21-2005, 11:19 AM
What ever they do has to be aggressive because the competition is getting better.<br> need some new features for the minivan.

Banker
01-31-2005, 08:58 AM
The next Dodge will get some competition from the new 2006 Kia Sedona - I'm sure Dodge will be watching the introduction in Chicago with much interest.<p>Chrysler is now being squarely targeted by the Honda - if Chrysler doesn't bring out a high tech high feature van the Town and Country will loose more ground to Honda.<p>Saturn is one to watch as well. I'm not a big fan of the new CSV's from GM, but Saturn is the best by far. <p>Toyota is a strong player but doesn't have the emotional pull that the T&C and Honda have. I expect that their next van will do better at building its luxury image to better compete with Honda and T&C.<p>I can't wait to see what the new level of competitive pressure brings out of DCX. It should be good for the consumer.

Bass-o-Matic
02-05-2005, 09:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice rant mike, however there is one flaw. You won't see the minivan be RWD. That set-up compromises cabin storage and layout (if you don't want to make the vehicle site several inches up in the air). RWD is just not conducive to what minivans are designed to do these days. I suspect that that role will be more and more occupied by minivan like crossovers, in which convenience is not quite as much of a ptremium as it is with minivans.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Amen, Santeno... I'm glad I waited to read all the posts before I chimed in...<p>All you have to do is see the heartburn that Chrysler had after choosing to compromise the RS Minivan's package to keep AWD (something under 10% penetration rate?) and not optimize the package for the fold-in-the-floor 3rd row seat. They had to do significant tear-up to the whole vehicle architecture (not just the floorpan) to add that and the "Stow-n-Go" 2nd Rows. It's not a marketing decision that excludes AWD from those vehicles.<p>Add a drive shaft to rear-driven-wheels and you lose alot of the package advantage that Minivans typically have had over all other Utility-oriented vehicles. Nope, that's why there's a Pacifica in the Chrysler line-up (even though many more intelligent evaluators than me have said that if has the dubious distinction of driving like a Minivan and offering the interior package of a station wagon).

Banker
02-10-2005, 02:53 PM
After seeing the new KIA Sedona - DCX had better work hard to improve the next Chrysler and Dodge minivans. The new Sedona won't impact Town and Country sales... but it will probably impact Dodge sales.<p>DCX had better offer the following features that KIA now has:<br> - roll down windows in the sliding doors<br> - five speed auto<br> - OHC V6 with equal or greater HP/Torque

Santeno
02-10-2005, 03:41 PM
Something tells me that Syow-N-Go and the sheer variety of variants that DCX offers will be more than enough to keep kia at bay. To be honest, while kia's minivan seemsto be considerably better than what it is replacing, I still don't see it having any serious selling points over the market leaders, other than price that is.

Cozz
02-10-2005, 09:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After seeing the new KIA Sedona - DCX had better work hard to improve the next Chrysler and Dodge minivans. The new Sedona won't impact Town and Country sales... but it will probably impact Dodge sales.<p>DCX had better offer the following features that KIA now has:<br> - roll down windows in the sliding doors<br> - five speed auto<br> - OHC V6 with equal or greater HP/Torque</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I haven't seen the numbers. What's the HP/TQ on the new Kia?

JBlair
02-11-2005, 09:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I haven't seen the numbers. What's the HP/TQ on the new Kia?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>240 hp and 250 lb/ft from a 3.8 L DOHC V6

knicks125
02-11-2005, 09:40 AM
Kia released the prem. spec - 244hp<br>

Cozz
02-11-2005, 05:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>240 hp and 250 lb/ft from a 3.8 L DOHC V6</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's not that impressive from a 3.8 but still more than the T&C. But the Pacifica has 3.5 with 250 HP. Should drop right in, infact same motor tuned different.

Banker
02-17-2005, 11:14 AM
Chrysler needs to come out with a new powertrain option on the minivans. Either an updated larger 3.5L DOHC V6 with VVT or a hemi minus two cylinders. Oh and don't forget the need for at least a five speed auto.

Cozz
02-17-2005, 06:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Chrysler needs to come out with a new powertrain option on the minivans. Either an updated larger 3.5L DOHC V6 with VVT or a hemi minus two cylinders. Oh and don't forget the need for at least a five speed auto.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No they don't. I drove one and it has a lot of pep. You want a sports car, buy one.

Roadster44
02-17-2005, 06:49 PM
I wouldnt concentrate so much on engines as much as I'd concentrate on styling, interior quality, layout and execution and getting the most space out of the vehicle size. I also think current vans are a notch too big.

Banker
03-02-2005, 07:13 AM
I love the T&C, I just think that they ought to aim to beat Honda in the powertrain instead of settling for a second rate option. They need a high tech high output V6 and a new 5 or 6 speed automatic... ASAP

carjunkie
03-08-2005, 07:11 PM
Anybody know when the 2006 Dodge Caravans should be hitting the dealers showrooms. Also is there any chance they'l come with the mineral grey metallic colour (the one on dodge rams and all the rest of the dodge's)?

Bass-o-Matic
03-11-2005, 10:43 AM
They need to target best-in-class in everything. There's no wiggle room for them anymore with customers (as in "Well, I know it's not equal to the Odyssey but, hey, it's a T&C/Caravan, so I can look past that..."). They need to learn from Honda's lead on the 2nd generation Odyssey (which didn't leave any functional area as one in which they could be just good, not great or the best) and pull out all stops.<p>If Chrysler wants to hold on to it's reputation as the minivan leader, it has to pull out all stops, otherwise the other competitors who are working so hard to wrest it away, will. It only takes a couple of generations of compromised product to hiss away goodwill (although, you wouldn't know it from the Camry's continued success, which signals to what extent Toyota is an even more dangerous/scary competitor).<p>Toyota & Honda have so many "chits" of goodwill built up with owners that it doesn't take alot of a hiccup on the part of a competitor for them to overtake them. If not for capacity constraints here in the U.S., I'd venture to guess that Honda, in particular, might already have clearly and decisively overcome DCX in minivans. <p>And, no, I'm not a blindly loyal hondaphile... In fact, I see DCX as the one company in the U.S. (forgetting the German being spoken there for a moment) that has demonstrated the ability and willingness to shatter the molds and do really great & innovative work. I just hope they don't abdicate their position.

SV
03-11-2005, 08:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarpFan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It only takes a couple of generations of compromised product to hiss away goodwill (although, you wouldn't know it from the Camry's continued success, which signals to what extent Toyota is an even more dangerous/scary competitor)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>sit in a camry, i dare you, and you will see that it is not compromised. it's a success because it's a good car and has what buyers are looking for (and what they're looking for is not M5-like handling)<p>anyway, i agree with you about everything else; the current vans are okay but need to be best-in-class if DCX wants to keep their sales lead.

Bass-o-Matic
03-14-2005, 12:11 PM
I'm sorry, I have more professional seat time in Camries than might be obvious; I've been doing this for 18 years and I guarantee you that the current Camry, though improved in this regard over the previous generation of product, is still not the paragon of excellence that the 92-96 Camry was (especially for it's time). <p>THAT car was arguably the best mid-size sedan in the world for it's time and, though the current Camry is a decent product, it is not head-and-shoulders above the current competitive set, either in terms of specification or performance (though, as you would expect with the passage of time that all companies pay heed to, that older Camry would not match the current car for performance).<p>In terms of Quality & Craftsmanship, that 10 year old Camry had an incredible amount of investment in the interior materials and would shame the current car in many ways. It was nothing short of a Lexus for the common man.<p>The product since that generation has been cost-cut and "Value-Added" to the extent that what you get now is really nothing more than just a decently-executed mid-size car. It is, in fact, my rental car of choice (if there aren't any Mazda6es at the Hertz lot), if only because I'm sick of Taurii.<p>I'm not sure why/how, but I seemed to rub you the wrong way with my comment about Camry. I'm sure that there are plenty of things I could take exception to but, frankly, given what this site is about, it wouldn't make sense for me to do so. Given that, I'm still sorry if I offended you with my opinion, despite the fact that it was carefully considered.

carjunkie
03-14-2005, 05:59 PM
^ditto<p>This can also be said for Honda. As we are currently leasing a 2001 Honda Odyssey.<p>A great car which my family decided to lease just from the reputation of japanese reliability. But boy were we wrong. The car was leased brand new and has had its transmission replaced at about 60 000km. The sliding doors sqeek, the material is subpar (compared to my 95 Honda Civic cx (base model), while our Odyssey is an Ex) By subpar you may wonder what I am talking about, but if you feel the dash of a Odyssey its made from a hard plastic, while my civic has a soft feel (almost like leather but harder). Our Odyssey's interior noise level is unexceptable (I can hear cars like my window is down, yet that is not the case in my civic) the seats are already showing a little wear. Mind you the car currently has only 65 000km, while my civic has 340 000km on it seems like it only has 100 000km worth of wear on it.<p>Aside form that, the car is nice. We love the fold flat seat. And the heated mirrors and traction control are must for canadian weather. But overall it is something we didn't expect from Honda and when our lease is up this summer we will be getting a Dodge Grand Caravan instead.<p>On that note I'd also like to clear up the notion where many people believe the next caravan should have this and that. May I remind you that this is a MINIVAN. Something that families buy because it is cheap (on gas, insurance, and maintenance wise), something which is used to transport people around and do chores. There is no need for rear wheel drive because it would just make it hard for most to people drive in winter. There is no need for them to go in a horsepower war because 245lb-ft in a caravan is more than adequate and because these are minivans not race cars. Also a large number of buyers out there (I would say most) are conservative people and want conservative looking cars. They don't have to be on the cutting edge of design. Something that is conservative, good looking, and current with design with adequate options is more than enough.

carjunkie
03-14-2005, 06:03 PM
Also a quick search on google or something will reveal that Honda has major transmission flaw which is affecting all of their V6 models. And ticking people off cause of their poor service at dealerships.

mzoltarp
03-16-2005, 06:10 AM
Ditto the poor service at Honda dealerships. The new DCX minivans will need some break out styling, competitive pricing, and should also lead in fuel economy (fat chance of that).

Banker
03-18-2005, 07:10 AM
Styling needs to be first class for the Town & Country and the interior needs to be very luxurious. And yes, the fuel economy needs to improve.<p>I hope that the next generation DCX vans look better than the upcoming Jeep Commander.<p>Chrysler can't afford to mess up the minivan franchise.

Rymanrph
03-18-2005, 11:28 AM
Ralph Giles, the guy who designed the 300 and Magnum, is doing the new minivans. So, expect good things.

Banker
04-06-2005, 07:31 AM
I hope the T&C will be better received than the Jeep Commander.

Santeno
04-06-2005, 08:14 AM
and how has the jeep comander been received? The few people that have seen it had only seen it on-line, with even fewetr haviong seen it live at NYAS. So far most reports are that the vehicle is far smaller and less goofy looking in person than in pictures, plus that it is very reminicent of the beloved cherokee. Let's wait until the vehicle actually goes on sale and see how it is truly received.

Banker
04-07-2005, 10:10 AM
Just holding out hope for a classy and high tech Town and Country.

Dodger
04-07-2005, 10:22 AM
I definitely think the T&C should go more upscale (the top-line Sienna is basically a Lexus) while the Caravan should go more sport- you know, something to take on GM's sport-vans <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Banker
04-15-2005, 01:07 PM
My wish list for the T&C:<br>Xenon Headlamps<br>300HP High Output OHC V6<br>Five speed automatic<br>Push Button ignition<br>Glass panels in the roof of over the second and third rows<br>Windows that roll down in the doors.<br>Large touch screen navigation<p>Wish List for the Dodge Grand Caravan<br>HEMI engine<br>Five Speed Automatic<br>17" Rims<br>Xenon Headlamps<br>

AM2
04-15-2005, 01:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My wish list for the T&C:<br>Xenon Headlamps<br>300HP High Output OHC V6<br>Five speed automatic<br>Push Button ignition<br>Glass panels in the roof of over the second and third rows<br>Windows that roll down in the doors.<br>Large touch screen navigation<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>A more realistic thing would be replacing the 3.8 liter OHV V6 with the Pacifica's 250bhp 3.5 liter V6 in the minivans.

VexedandGlorious
04-15-2005, 05:10 PM
banker,if they make a HEMI caravan, they might as well take a magnum, extend the platform and raise the roof up and name it the grand magnum,<p> but you still had some good ideas, the only thing i see making it is a 5 speed automatic, <p>but DCX isnt afraid to take risks, so i wouldnt be shocked to see something high tech, and something sproty.

Banker
05-09-2005, 11:51 AM
With the new Suburban now breaking cover we should be on the look out for the 2007 minivan to break cover in the next few months. I hope that Chrysler doesn't delay the new van just because the latest refresh is selling so well. If they wait until 2008, it will be way too long.<p>I predict a short run 2006 before the 2007's come to market.

stewacide
05-09-2005, 06:38 PM
I've read that Ford isn't designing the usual minivan for the next-gen, and will have some kinds of cross-over-ish thing (whether that means more SUV like or more low and wagon like I dun'no).<p>GM's already taken the leap with whatever it's calling those things.<p>I really wonder why Ford needs a minivan at all with the Freestyle in the lineup...

Charger
05-09-2005, 06:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stewacide</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've read that Ford isn't designing the usual minivan for the next-gen, and will have some kinds of cross-over-ish thing (whether that means more SUV like or more low and wagon like I dun'no).<p>GM's already taken the leap with whatever it's calling those things.<p>I really wonder why Ford needs a minivan at all with the Freestyle in the lineup...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought ford was replacing the freestar with the fairline concept from this year, at least that kind of design.

Santeno
05-10-2005, 08:06 AM
I was under the impression that ford was dropping out of the minivan market in the US, in favor of cross over style vehicles (like the fairlane concept AM2 mentioned).

Banker
05-10-2005, 10:49 AM
I think you are correct. As soon as Ford can get the Fairlane to market the Freestar is dead. Ford is giving up on the segment for good reason.<p>They will never have the minivan market that DCX, Honda and Toyota have. I would imagine that the new Kia minivan will outsell the freestar next year.<p>But... back to the new DCX minivans. I am still waiting for new info.

stewacide
05-11-2005, 10:21 PM
The Fairlane is the Ford version of the CrossSport/Aviator, right? In that case I'd guess it'll only have 2 rows, meaning the Freestyle is already much more of a Freestar replacement.<p>Still it strikes me as plain crazy that the best selling brand in NA (right?) won't have a proper minivan!<p>The problem, fundamentally, is Ford's inability to sort out its platform redundencies. Right now they have 3 large minivan platforms on the go (Freestyle, MPV, Galaxy). That could be brought down to two and perhapse one more flexible platform (e.g. a large-large van for Ford/Mercury in North America and a small-large van for Ford Europe and Mazda)... that makes too much sense for Ford to ever consider however <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
05-11-2005, 10:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stewacide</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The problem, fundamentally, is Ford's inability to sort out its platform redundencies. Right now they have 3 large minivan platforms on the go (Freestyle, MPV, Galaxy). That could be brought down to two and perhapse one more flexible platform (e.g. a large-large van for Ford/Mercury in North America and a small-large van for Ford Europe and Mazda)... that makes too much sense for Ford to ever consider however <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The MPV is due for a redesign soon, anyways. I think I read on this forum a while ago that the Galaxy is due for a redesign in 2007.<p>Ford could proably just use one platform with two sizes (a smaller one for Europe and a larger one for NA).

Naga Royal Guard
05-11-2005, 10:34 PM
freestar was competitive - i dont see why ford is abandoning this segment; especially w/ GM playing dead w/ those horrid CSVs

Dodger
05-12-2005, 08:24 AM
I know what mean. Those were a very poor attempt on GM's part.

carjunkie
05-13-2005, 10:10 AM
Ford is dumb. I can't believe thay don't get the concept of reliability. Thats the only reason the Windstar didn't sell. Changing the name won't do anything. An example of this is the Nissan Altima, nobody gave a rats ass about it until they came out with a good product (notice the name of the car is still Altima and its selling)<p>And as far as GM goes, Mazda already tried this with their 98 MPV's and failed horribly (did the exact same thing, made the nose longer, the van stood a little taller, and changed the taillights). Stupid GM is trying to save money by not spending any on a new design but infact what they're really doing is losing even more revenue.

Shomare
05-14-2005, 05:59 AM
And, there version of the Mazda Sport Wagon rumored to be called the Ford Edge.

FordRules
05-14-2005, 11:15 AM
hemi awd van lol

FordRules
05-14-2005, 11:17 AM
i get driven in a ford windstar sel every day and its nicer than any ither minivans ive been in <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
05-15-2005, 11:58 AM
I think if chrysler wants to take the minivan idea to another level, they should develope a snadwich platform like mercedes A-class where the engine is mounted almost horizontally sandwiched between the firewall and the lower floor. <p>We all know no other layout beats the sandwich structure. Its super space efficient and lightweight while being ultra safe at the same time. Look at the new B-class, it offers far more interior room than all other mini MPVs while being a lot smaller, and yet it weighs the same as a VW golf. These atributes suite a minivan really well.<p>IMO they are in a better position to design something that is fuel efficient right from the begining. I suggest they create a new platform using mercedes expertise and use a turbocharged version of the new global engine. the 2.4 can be turboed to produce 240hp, comparable to rivals V6s while being less space consuming, lighter and more fuel efficient. A lighter overall car would be another bonus to fuel efficiency.<p>Another advantage of the sandwich floor is that the floor is double and there is enough space for chrysler to add 'stow n go' capability. The only disadvatage of this structure is no V8 can fit in at most only an inline-5, so all the Hemi powered minivan hopes would be crushed.....just kidding I don't think minivans need that much power, if you need Hemi power and seven pasenger carrying capacity, geta hemi powered Jeep commander.

Bass-o-Matic
05-18-2005, 04:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carjunkie</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And as far as GM goes, Mazda already tried this with their 98 MPV's and failed horribly (did the exact same thing, made the nose longer, the van stood a little taller, and changed the taillights).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not quite the same situation... In fact, eerily echoes why the current GMT200/201 is so small for the U.S. market (narrower, at least). <p>There was interest in selling the MPV in Europe but, since it had no Diesel, one was negotiated from another maker... needed a longer engine room... made the nose a bit longer, blunter, less attractive... Europe said "no thanks"... the U.S. got stuck with a front end that was optimized for a ghost version...<p>

62Lincoln
05-18-2005, 04:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think if chrysler wants to take the minivan idea to another level, they should develope a snadwich platform like mercedes A-class where the engine is mounted almost horizontally sandwiched between the firewall and the lower floor. <p>We all know no other layout beats the sandwich structure. Its super space efficient and lightweight while being ultra safe at the same time. Look at the new B-class, it offers far more interior room than all other mini MPVs while being a lot smaller, and yet it weighs the same as a VW golf. These atributes suite a minivan really well.<p>IMO they are in a better position to design something that is fuel efficient right from the begining. I suggest they create a new platform using mercedes expertise and use a turbocharged version of the new global engine. the 2.4 can be turboed to produce 240hp, comparable to rivals V6s while being less space consuming, lighter and more fuel efficient. A lighter overall car would be another bonus to fuel efficiency.<p>Another advantage of the sandwich floor is that the floor is double and there is enough space for chrysler to add 'stow n go' capability. The only disadvatage of this structure is no V8 can fit in at most only an inline-5, so all the Hemi powered minivan hopes would be crushed.....just kidding I don't think minivans need that much power, if you need Hemi power and seven pasenger carrying capacity, geta hemi powered Jeep commander.</TD></TR></TABLE>Toyota had a design very similar to this 2 generations ago for its minivan. I cannot remember if it carried the Sienna name or not, but it was not a big sales success for Toyota despite it's advanced design and appearance. Toyota abandoned the design for the predecessor to today's Sienna, which followed the FWD standard set by Chrysler. That van was too small for the U.S. market, and when the current gen Sienna was introduced, Toyota dramatically increase the size of the van to compete head to head with the large size minivans in the segment.

M0L0TOV
05-18-2005, 07:20 PM
You referring to the Previa?<p>M0L0TOV

anonms
05-18-2005, 08:26 PM
It wouldn't matter-- the Previa and the Van both had that kind of design, I believe.

taskbearer
05-19-2005, 12:59 AM
The previa's design although similar to the Sandwich structure introduced in A-class is quite different. We even had one as a family van, the biggest difference was the engine place. It was perfectly horizontal mounted longitudinally under the drivers floor and drove the rear wheels which made maintenance a hassle. You have to virtually get under the car just to reach the engine. I still enjoyed it though cause it looked space age <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>The A-class sandwich structure on the other hand has the engine mounted transversely at an angle of 15degrees sanwiched between the drivers floor and the front axle, this way the engine can be accessed from the front without going under. That in itself is a major difference. The sandwich structure has the engine driving the front wheels which make room under the double floor to easy implicate stow n go unlike the previa where the gearbox and driveshaft took all that space.<p>The previa was a succes in japan, second best selling car behind the corolla at one time. It also did quite well in europe, but it was in the US where it failed mainly because it was not designed for the US and it had only one sliding door when competitors offered two, The engine also intrudes into the cabin occupying the walkthrough space between the front seats which Americans loved. Thats why toyota made a dedicated US car the next time. <p><br><i>Modified by taskbearer at 3:08 AM 5/19/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by taskbearer at 3:20 AM 5/19/2005</i>

Bass-o-Matic
05-19-2005, 06:55 PM
That Previa was really interesting... I remember putting one on a lift and noting how the packaging underneath the vehicle could have allowed a flat 6 or flat 8, in addition to the "slant 4" (180-degree slant, that is)... We all wondered if Toyota would do a flat engine as an upgrade, while they ended up doing a supercharged 4, instead.

mzoltarp
05-26-2005, 05:29 AM
The new minivan would be a hit if it can be made more fuel efficient. A while ago (5+ years) Chrysler showed an injection molded plastic car for the Chinese market. It was never put into production. In a crash, plastic flexes but tends not to bend. It would be interesting if someone would do an injection molded body/chassis because that would dramatically reduce weight and in turn increase mileage. At least they need a hybrid.

Banker
06-27-2005, 07:49 AM
I am really disapointed about the PT Cruiser update. I hope that the 2007 minivans are more revolutionary than that.<p>DCX can not afford to sit on their current design much longer. We need something bold/classic and very inspirational that will have more features than the competition.

Naga Royal Guard
06-27-2005, 12:09 PM
an inspirational minivan? <p>

Banker
07-05-2005, 08:02 AM
Auto week reports that the DCX minivans will be introduced for the 2008 model year at the 2007 Detroit show. This is what DCX did with the current refresh... the 2005 was introduced at the 2004 show and went on sale in early spring. That means we are a little less than two years from an all new class leader.<p>Here's hoping that the new van will have an all new powertrain and a class leading interior.<p>And yes, inspirational. The current T&C is as classic as a minivan can get. I predict that Chrysler will hit this out of the park. Even Honda and Toyota were "inspired" to compete in the full size minivan segment because of the success that DCX has enjoyed over the last 21 years of minivan leadership. They continue to control the segment.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Banker at 10:10 AM 7/5/2005</i>

Banker
08-23-2005, 12:46 PM
Edmunds is now reporting that the 2008 DCX minivans will offer a totally revised interior with the latest in infotainment and navigational developments. In addition, the Town & Country and Caravan will offer power folding Sto-n-Go seats.<p>In addition, a forum on Autoweek had an artist rendering of the new Town and Country. It looks very classy.

Cozz
08-23-2005, 03:51 PM
Banker, mind posting your new info at the car spy section DCX minivan thread as well?