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Player4
12-31-2004, 11:05 AM
<B>AutoSpies - The most disappointing cars we saw this year</B><p><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3782" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/artic...=3782</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0">

Yannis
12-31-2004, 11:43 AM
This is the first time that i agree with them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW does anyone know how much $$$ Lexus is paying Autolies to give their cars good critics? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

knicks125
12-31-2004, 11:45 AM
Overall, I thought 2004 was a good year for most cars, looking forward to 05 releases <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>As far as the five that made the list, I don't agree with two of them. Acura RL & Caddy STS, I drove both new cars (my friends have them) and I felt they were great and should not have been on that list (the reasons autospies gave were not very convincing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p>The other three cars, Honday Odessey, Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego and Jeep Cherokee, I can see why they are on the list, espeically Ford & Mecury. I test drove both and found them to be very uncomfortable for new cars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

GSturb0
12-31-2004, 11:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Yannis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is the first time that i agree with them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW does anyone know how much $$$ Lexus is paying Autolies to give their cars good critics? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I don't know about Lex but I'd pay you just to STFU about all your anti-Lexus comments and posts, it's gettin annoying.

RS
01-01-2005, 12:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>J.B.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>AutoSpies - The most disappointing cars we saw this year</B><p><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3782" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/artic...=3782</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>wow, what kind of idiots run this website.<br>They sound like little kids bashing cars without any constructive reasoning. They are a shame to the automotive industry and need to STFU! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

piokor
01-01-2005, 02:18 AM
What are they smoking? The RL is awesome to drive, no 5-series, but it's not bad. Also, they bash the 500/Montego for it not being like the 300C. Some people buy comfortable cars and don't really look at performance. I have seen so many on the streets, way more than the 300C. <p>

knicks125
01-01-2005, 07:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What are they smoking? The RL is awesome to drive, no 5-series, but it's not bad. Also, they bash the 500/Montego for it not being like the 300C. Some people buy comfortable cars and don't really look at performance. I have seen so many on the streets, way more than the 300C. <p></TD></TR></TABLE> <p>I agree with you on the comments autospies made, they were a bit harsh. I test drove both the Five Hundred and Montego, and from personal experience, I can tell you those two car were okay, just okay. Nothing to rave about them.<p>New cars generally excite me, but sitting in those two cars felt like they should have been released in the 90s (<B>purely my own opinions</B>). Both cars felt stiff and I didn't feel comfortable at all while test driving them, performance aside.<p>300 was (and still is) a great success, but I feel the same results would not apply to Five Hundred/Montego. The sale of these two cars have not been great so far here in the Tri-State area, and the only one I saw was a Montego, with DC plates.

Redline
01-01-2005, 09:23 AM
Wow, an entire list of BS. I'd expect nothing less than this from them. <p> I wonder how the Odyssey is a dissapointment, because of its fuel-effecient multi-displacement engine, because of its active noise canceling, or is it the lazy susan storage that hides the middle rows middle seat when its not needed? Or perhaps its just because it looks like nothing else on the market and has a slew of original technology for minivans? I'm sure the dealers secretly tell you they're dissapointed, in you. <p> So the only thing good about the RL is the center console? What about the most advanced all wheel drive on the planet? Drive it before you critique it guys. <p> The 500/Montego might not be a 300C, but they're from Ford! Not to mention they were good enough to beat the Avalon and LaCrosse by Motor Trend. I trust a long standing magazine who tested those three and the 300C side by side much more than I trust you guys. <p> The best you guys have for the Cherokee is that the front end looks bad? Come on guys, give me something hard to shoot down. The powerful V8 with great acceleration and the great off-roadability of this thing doesn't make up for a weak front end design? Give me a break. <p> As for the STS, so it doesn't look like the Sixteen and the rappers don't like it. Since when have rappers been the definitive automotive authority, and since when has a totally unrelated concept stacked up against a real car? Forget the great interior and the sharp looks, some guy who makes up words so he can do a rhyme doesn't like it! It must suck!

SV
01-01-2005, 10:44 AM
what's interesting is that all 5 of the cars on that list are actually very well-rounded and capable vehicles <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>-the odyssey is easily the best minivan on the market (at least tied with the sienna). not innovative? riiiight: like redline said, it has cylinder shutoff and active noise cancelling.<br>-the RL is also, like the odyssey, an excellent car. styling is subjective, but the mentally-subnormal autospies critics don't seem to know that.<br>-i really can't see why the grand cherokee is dissapointing; everyone, not just autospies, seems to say so. its got some nice engines and is capable off-road, and the interior is of at least decent quality.<br>-the STS, IMO, is one of the most competitive automobiles ever made by any american manufacturer, in pretty much every characteristic (even materials quality hasn't been critisized). that's in no way disappointing.<br>-so the five hundred/montego doesn't look as ground-breaking as the 300. so what. the five hundred is a very well-rounded car, with good quality, nice (if bland) styling, a roomy interior and trunk, and good handling for such a large car. the worst thing about it is the engine, and rumor has it ford will replace that engine with a 200+ hp duratec 35 engine in 2006 or 2007.

NarutoRamen
01-01-2005, 06:31 PM
Oooh...this car doesn't look cool..so it must suck over all...EEEWWW!!!!.........Auto Lies sound like they are 13 year old girls...*****ing about design when they don't even know what design truly is...Redline already said what I had to say...<p>My parents have an 03 odyssey...and I'm not ashamed to drive that van...240hp V-Tec engine...leaves most cars in the dust (notice..i don't race it but sometimes I have punch it a little bit) and the 05 odyssey isn't better looking than the one my parents have but I wouldn't mind if my parents got the new one instead...more features than b4.<p>I drove the RL with my cousin...and I won't say that it's a sports car...but it can definately handle...the AWD system is no joke...and it doesn't look all that bad either not to mention the interior is beautiful and the GPS/Sat Nav is awesome.<p>I haven't driven the 500 but my friend said that it's nice from the inside and the outside looks way better than the previous cars (taurous..spelling) and also I think..doesn't it come with the AWD option?<p>I haven't driven the Cherokee but it looks awesome on the road...the front isn't all that bad looking in person...IMO<p>And the STS...IMO it's no 5 series or A6 or E series...but the thing is that it's no longer an Old person's car...the styling is very fresh and new.....It looks good in my opinion..but I would never choose it over the Germans but It's definately not a dissapointment.<p>These guys are idiots....period.

Top Secret
01-01-2005, 06:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GSturb0</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I don't know about Lex but I'd pay you just to STFU about all your anti-Lexus comments and posts, it's gettin annoying.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>He has his personal opinions; no need to lose your temper. But you must admit, they aren't the most exciting cars are they?

GSturb0
01-02-2005, 12:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>He has his personal opinions; no need to lose your temper. But you must admit, they aren't the most exciting cars are they?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Depends, and what do you mean by exciting?<br>

Top Secret
01-02-2005, 02:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GSturb0</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Depends, and what do you mean by exciting?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I mean by anything which actually excites your senses a la the offerings from MB or BMW.

GSturb0
01-02-2005, 02:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I mean by anything which actually excites your senses a la the offerings from MB or BMW.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I like many cars from both of those brands but the problem is ppl tend to judge Lexus as a whole brand rather than looking at each car closely, every model has its market target and certain audience just like every other brand so of course ES330 wouldn't excite you because you're not on the market for an "old fart" car and you're most likely not old or simply do not fit into the category. If you'd analyze each model closely and realize how good they are suited to customers' needs and wants at a resesonable price you wouldn't necessarily have excitement over Lexus but rather a certain amount of respect.

spwolf
01-02-2005, 08:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <p>I agree with you on the comments autospies made, they were a bit harsh. I test drove both the Five Hundred and Montego, and from personal experience, I can tell you those two car were okay, just okay. Nothing to rave about them.<p>New cars generally excite me, but sitting in those two cars felt like they should have been released in the 90s (<B>purely my own opinions</B>). Both cars felt stiff and I didn't feel comfortable at all while test driving them, performance aside.<p>300 was (and still is) a great success, but I feel the same results would not apply to Five Hundred/Montego. The sale of these two cars have not been great so far here in the Tri-State area, and the only one I saw was a Montego, with DC plates.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have to agree with you, and autolies... BTW - they are dissapointing because so much more was expected from them... When you get an bland, boring, almost bad car from Kia, it is not dissapointing. When you get that from major manufacturer, especially if it is new version of once awesome car.... 500 looks like 5 year old Japaneese car, Jeep is an huge and total miss, RL isnt as good as press releases say and is too expensive, Honda's minivan is nothign exciting, it looks by far as the most boring thing that came ever and is not as advanced as the last one was when it came...

Yannis
01-02-2005, 09:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GSturb0</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... so of course ES330 wouldn't excite you because you're not on the market for an "old fart" car and you're most likely not old or simply do not fit into the category.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> If i didn't know you better i 'd say that you are bashing Lexus too with your comments. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

jijboi25
01-02-2005, 02:37 PM
What I wrote on AutoSpies.com in the comment section under the article.<p> <A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3782" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/artic...=3782</A> <p>bluedevil1550 - 1/1/2005 10:39:33 PM<br>Title: What??<br>Comment: I totally do not agree with your comments on the cars that you guys see as dissapointing.<p>First of all, the Odyssey may be bland compared to the Quest, but it shouldnt be seen as a dissapointment. A lot of people who buy minivans arent looking for bold styling, and you guys are forgetting about all the technological advances it has (cylinder shutoff, lasy susan) And don't forget that Honda does not take too many chances with designs in the US.<p>The RL is one of the nicest luxury sedans out there. From the dashboards design to thew advanced 4 wheel drive system, there is not enough wrong with this car to call it a dissapointment.<p>I agree with the 500/Montego<p>The Grand Cherokee was dissapointing to me at first because of the lack of consistency in the design (angular rear, rounded front) but the HEMI engine and all of its technological advances make up for most of it.<p>The STS may not be as bold as Cadillacs other designs (XLR,CTS) but the car is well made for a GM and has a design that is not offensive, and appeals to a lot of people.

zwei Biere bitte
01-02-2005, 09:18 PM
WTF, they're "disapointed" in the 500 just becasue it's not a 300C. So I bet then that they're going to be disapointed in the next Avalon as well because it's not like a 300C. IMO, the 300 will sell like the PT Cruiser, good at first, then the sales drop. With the 500 though, sales will most likely stay at a constant level...<p>Oh yeah, did you guys notice that there were not any Mercedes-Benz automobiles? And also, it seems like there are little MB ads on the bottom of each picture

NarutoRamen
01-03-2005, 02:10 AM
What do you mean why there aren't any Mercedes-Benz on this list?<p>As much as I don't agree with Autolies on this...this is the Dissapointment list....and how the heck have Mercedes been a dissapointment?<p>How in the world is SL65, CL65, C-facelift+55version, new SLK+55version, CLS+55version and the upcoming E350 a dissapointment? No offense my friend.....

SV
01-03-2005, 09:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NarutoRamen</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What do you mean why there aren't any Mercedes-Benz on this list?<p>As much as I don't agree with Autolies on this...this is the Dissapointment list....and how the heck have Mercedes been a dissapointment?<p>How in the world is SL65, CL65, C-facelift+55version, new SLK+55version, CLS+55version and the upcoming E350 a dissapointment? No offense my friend.....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i think he was being sarcastic

Santeno
01-03-2005, 09:52 AM
We do not post autospies garbage on CSS. Locking.