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taskbearer
12-27-2004, 01:39 AM
quote from <A HREF="http://www.wardsauto.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wardsauto.com</A><p>WardsAuto.com, Dec 8 2004<p>Cylinder deactivation, gasoline-electric hybridization and advanced diesel technology all are represented by winners on this years list.<p>The winners of Wards 10 Best Engines awards for 2005 demonstrate that you can have it all: Many of the winning engines highlight sophisticated new technology that not only improves mileage but also pumps up power.<p>The 2005 list of the industrys most exemplary engines marks the 11th year for the Wards 10 Best Engines program.<p>Mercedes 3.2L inline 6-cyl. turbodiesel among winners.<p>Cylinder deactivation, gasoline-electric hybridization and advanced diesel technology all are represented by winners on this years list.<p>Another important emerging technology that generates more power while also improving fuel economy  direct gasoline injection  brings home a win for Audi AG in its first North American application of its all-new FSI 3.2L DOHC V-6. The 255-hp FSI (Fuel Straight Injection) V-6 produces 35 hp more than the engine it replaces, yet delivers as much as 10% better fuel economy. Audis direct-injection powerhouse also operates on regular-grade unleaded gasoline.<p>Cylinder deactivation is another critical new fuel-saving technology featured on two other Wards 10 Best Engines winners for 2005.<p>DaimlerChrysler AGs now-famous 5.7L Hemi V-8 incorporates the companys Multi-Displacement System to instantaneously shut down four of the cylinders when not needed. Meanwhile, when the Hemis vaunted power is required, MDS immediately reactivates the cylinders to generate the engines full 340 hp.<p>Honda Motor Co. Ltd. also uses its own cylinder-deactivation system  Variable Cylinder Management  to boost fuel economy for the new 3L SOHC V-6 used in its Accord Hybrid. The car also employs Hondas Integrated Motor Assist hybrid-electric technology to boost power and increase fuel efficiency. While the Accord Hybrid is 15 hp stronger than its traditional-powertrain counterpart, VCM and IMA combine to improve fuel efficiency by 23% on the highway and 38% in city driving.<p>DaimlerChryslers Mercedes-Benz unit wins a Wards 10 Best Engines award in the first year of availability of its new CDI 3.2L inline 6-cyl. turbodiesel. As with Audis FSI, the Mercedes diesel employs high-tech direct fuel injection and a host of other sophisticated electronic controls to create a diesel engine that generates spectacular torque and almost 40% better fuel economy than a similar-size gasoline 6-cyl.<p>Power for powers sake is not forgotten on this years list, however. Ford Motor Co. wins with its heavily revised 4.6L SOHC V-8 in the all-new Ford Mustang GT. Wards testers praised Ford for creating a refined V-8 that produces 300 hp at an affordable price and called it the perfect new-generation muscle-car V-8.<p>Honda proves it also knows horsepower with its first-time winner, the Acura 3.5L SOHC V-6. The new V-6 pounds out 300 hp, making it one of the most powerful naturally aspirated 6-cyl. engines in production. The 3.5L V-6 is used in Acuras all-new RL luxury/sport sedan.<p>Audi returns for a second year with its smooth and powerful 4.2L DOHC V-8 that generates a thundering 340 hp in a package that seamlessly integrates sophistication and muscle. Audis premium V-8 remains one of the markets most powerful V-8s for its size.<p>Also returning as a Wards 10 Best Engines winner is General Motors Corp.s Vortec 4.2L DOHC inline 6-cyl., used in its midsize SUVs. The Vortec 4200 enjoys its fourth consecutive year as a 10 Best Engines winner. <p>Taking its unrivaled 11th consecutive 10 Best Engines trophy is Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.s 3.5L DOHC V-6. The only engine to win an award every year since the programs inception, Nissan engineers improved the VQ V-6 with new levels of power and torque for 2005.<p>Wards 10 Best Engines list is completed by Mazda Motor Corp.s unique Renesis rotary engine. This 1.3L powerhouse returns for a second year fronting the same impressive design advances and spectacular power output, in relation to its size, that virtually guaranteed a win in 2004, its first year of availability.<p>Wards tested 36 car and truck engines for its 2005 10 Best Engines competition, evaluating them based on the crucial engine characteristics of power; torque; noise, vibration and harshness (NVH); technical relevance and basic comparative numbers. All engines nominated and tested were in vehicles with a base price less than $52,500.<p>The 2005 winners, along with the vehicles they were tested in:<p> Audi FSI 3.2L DOHC V-6 (Audi A6)<p> Audi 4.2L DOHC V-8 (Audi S4)<p> DaimlerChrysler 5.7L Hemi Magnum OHV V-8 (Chrysler 300C)<p> DaimlerChrysler 3.2L DOHC I-6 CDI Turbodiesel (Mercedes E320 CDI)<p> Ford 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Ford Mustang GT)<p> General Motors 4.2L DOHC Vortec I-6 (Chevrolet TrailBlazer) <p> Honda 3L SOHC V-6 IMA Hybrid (Honda Accord Hybrid)<p> Honda 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Acura RL)<p> Mazda 1.3L Renesis rotary (Mazda RX-8)<p> Nissan 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G35 Coupe) <p> <B>My analysis of the awards</B> <br>The most deserving engine on this list would be the audi 3.2FSi, audi's constant improvement has finally overtaken BMW's long six cylinder throne. On the other hand, the 4.2L V8 raises question marks.<p>The hemi's position is well deserved for being so powerful yet cheap to produce. <p>MB's 3.2L diesel frightened me, IMO it leaves a lot to be desired in diesels, Then again it would crown MBs efforts for being the first to push for luxury diesels. If the new crop of european diesels make it to the US for 06, competition is going to be tight, MBs latest V6 diesel most definitely has a great chance.<p>Fords 4.6 has similar qualities of the hemi, both powerful and cheap to produce.<p>I don't see a reason why GMs 4.2L vortech 6 should make the list again, that engine is not exactly spectacular. My only conclusion is that its just a conspiracy to put GM on the list.<p>Honda's IMA v6 and 3.5V6 are truly worthy of their position, The 3.5 is phenominal considering its of SOHC design.<p>Mazda's renesis should assure a return if it continues to improve, although BMWs new gen 3L 6 would be the most worthy candidate next year. And Nissans VQ....... what can I say?..........a strong examplary engine with a constant development program,..........what would you expect? <br>

RikfromBelgium
12-27-2004, 05:37 AM
First time I heared about this award, or maybe I did but I didn't link it to ward. What's the weight, reputation of this award?

Giannis
12-27-2004, 09:28 AM
where are BMW's engines???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
12-27-2004, 12:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Giannis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where are BMW's engines???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i wonder if their new generation 3L i6 was tested this year

taskbearer
12-27-2004, 06:00 PM
BMW's new generation 3L i6 is available for 2006 model year. Its already recieving rave reviews, autocar even said the 6 series was not up to the engines caliber. This engine is guaranteed a place on wards list for 2006

Nick
12-29-2004, 05:21 PM
the LS2 should have been on there <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> but thats just my opinion...

JBlair
12-29-2004, 08:54 PM
Why? Just because it's made by BMW? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
12-29-2004, 10:21 PM
I dont know why the GM I6 from the Trailblazer/Envoy/Ascender is there. We have one on our Ascender, and its not that great. Good, but not wow. Acceleration is so so, but at highway speed it is nice cruising. Id much rather have the new 300 HP Displacement on Demand V8, that should have gotten the award instead.

GSturb0
12-29-2004, 11:23 PM
Renesis has won it again, pathetic.

JBlair
12-29-2004, 11:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GSturb0</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Renesis has won it again, pathetic.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why is it pathetic? It makes 230 hp from 1.3 liters!!!!! Plus it is reliable and efficient (for a rotary).

GSturb0
12-29-2004, 11:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Why is it pathetic? It makes 230 hp from 1.3 liters!!!!! Plus it is reliable and efficient (for a rotary). </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not really, hp/lt means nothing and Renesis basically just came out and already had cooling recalls, efficient as what?

JBlair
12-30-2004, 12:10 AM
Could you post the info about cooling recalls in the thread about recalls then? Because the only problems that have been publicly stated by Mazda were those of lower than expected hp ratings. And by efficiency, I mean how fuel efficient it is. (compared with engines of similar high-revving nature with the same performance, as well as with other Rotaries).

Naga Royal Guard
01-01-2005, 09:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Calling the renesis engine pathetic is just shear ignorance of an important milestone in automotive engine history. <p>Any further improvement of the renesis in the future would look back to this era and laud mazda's engineers for not qiuting on the rotary. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>totally agree,; dont take it offroad, keep it on the backroads an circuts and its gonna do exceptionsl

GSturb0
01-02-2005, 12:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could you post the info about cooling recalls in the thread about recalls then? Because the only problems that have been publicly stated by Mazda were those of lower than expected hp ratings. And by efficiency, I mean how fuel efficient it is. (compared with engines of similar high-revving nature with the same performance, as well as with other Rotaries). </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Fuel efficient? Go look up RX8's mileage, competitor cars powered by piston engines get better mileage, other rotaries? Where? This is the only mass produced rotary powered car in US. And find your own goddamn link for a recall.