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RikfromBelgium
12-22-2004, 10:18 AM
I combined them, they're the same group and I'm just to lazy<p>Rumours are, according to Autocar that the small Mclaren Mercedes known as P8 is put on hold, maybe defenitive.<br>Most designing was ready and the release date was set for 2007 but now it seems they're not to sure about the car.<p>Same goes for the Smart SUV, except there it is because of the financial problems Smart is having.

Philsshon
12-22-2004, 10:27 AM
so no smart 4x4? so what will they sell in the us?

SV
12-22-2004, 09:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I combined them, they're the same group and I'm just to lazy<p>Rumours are, according to Autocar that the small Mclaren Mercedes known as P8 is put on hold, maybe defenitive.<br>Most designing was ready and the release date was set for 2007 but now it seems they're not to sure about the car.<p>Same goes for the Smart SUV, except there it is because of the financial problems Smart is having. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>are there any articles on it maybe?

Yannis
12-22-2004, 11:10 PM
Article with the news: <p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101486" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101486</A>

knihc2008
12-22-2004, 11:40 PM
the newest motor trend is claiming that the mclaren-mercedes group is canned altogether, that the SLR will be the last car from them.

Seller Automotive
12-23-2004, 01:35 AM
I dont believe this for one SECOND. Mercedes is a HUGE partner with McLaren now.. the HUGE new McLaren factory was partially bankrolled by Mercedes.. There is no way that the partnership has come to an end... Whether it be on the business side OR the road-cars side.<p>There is so much money out there for a McLaren Mid-Engine in the Ferrari F430 price range. Mercedes would easily be looking at 1,000 unit annual sales (JUST in the USA!!). Plenty of Cash rolling in, and plenty of prestige. One Thing I have thought about though is whether or not Mercedes wants a pure race car within their "brand image".<p>If Anything, I would hope Mercedes would pursue the "creation" of the 'McLaren Brand'.. and just ditch the "Mercedes" name. Either way.. The name McLaren just SHOUTS money.. And after Ferrari, McLaren is EASILY the most respected name in the "Supercar" world.

davidChief
12-23-2004, 01:45 AM
Ron Dennis confirmed this in an interview last week. It's just on hold, not necessarily permanently shelved.

RikfromBelgium
12-23-2004, 04:42 AM
that's how it's always in the beginning

iamalittlepepper
12-23-2004, 11:15 AM
One always have to remember Supercar market is notoriously cyclical.. McLaren might be a great name but they didn't make much from the F1 car.. <p>I think it is a reasonable decision to make to wait for a while so that the current glut of Supercars or even mid priced supercars get digested.

bolita
12-23-2004, 12:47 PM
If they shelve the Smart 4x4...what will happen with the MB plant in Brazil? The current A Class will be built forever? I dont think so...

Hornbag
12-25-2004, 09:55 PM
Are smart having problems? please explain, i dont think they would be, they are popular in Europe arnt they, and the Forfour is very good

RikfromBelgium
12-26-2004, 04:19 AM
I don't know specifics, but it's something as " they spend more then they earn"

Cozz
12-27-2004, 06:11 AM
They spend more than they earn because it's built only 15% by DCX. DCX hires 3rd party companies to build and manufacter the car. This is good for low volume cars but not when they start selling a lot. DCX should drop all 3rd parties in building and build it them selves.

Bern
12-27-2004, 06:17 AM
They decided to stop developpment on the ForFour for about 4 weeks, to assess Sart maketing position and future. Doesn;t mean it's canned yet...

bastis
12-27-2004, 06:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are smart having problems? please explain, i dont think they would be, they are popular in Europe arnt they, and the Forfour is very good</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The sales are not very good.<p>Fortwo and Roadster are too expensive; Forfour is not really expensive (it's cheaper than a VW Polo), but (imho) the people don't know it, it's real ugly and very cheap made.<br>And Smart has less retailers.<br>For example, Munich with it's 1.3 Million inhabitants has only two Smart Centers, if you don't life in a city it's difficult to find one and Mercedes retailers don't sell Smarts (this will change).<p>But the problem are not the costs, the production is very cheap.<br>Source:<br><A HREF="http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/artikel/98/42056" TARGET="_blank">http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wir...42056</A>/ (German)<p>

AXLE
12-27-2004, 07:10 AM
What is the point of purchasing the Four-four when you can get a Mitsubishi colt for a cheaper price? They should have developed their own car instead of calling on Mitsubishi. All smarts are a waste of time, they look ugly, have extremely small and gutless engines and cost soo much. More like 'Stupid' than Smart <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

iamalittlepepper
12-27-2004, 09:53 AM
ForTwo has a 8 months waiting list in Canada right now.. they have to double the allotment twice over the last 6 months..<p>It also looks like Zap managed to stick it to MB USA too by getting approval to sell it in US.. and also convert them.<p>Honestly I think it is poor marketing decision.. not management or product design that brings down Smart...they wanted to go for a different crowd.. but going after the mainstream with SUV etc etc just won't work.

RikfromBelgium
12-27-2004, 10:05 AM
How do you explain the money problems? also bad marketing?

taskbearer
12-27-2004, 06:12 PM
DCX has not still gotten a hold of what smart's attribute are, the ZAP case is a repition of DCX previous delay to make smart available in the UK. IMO the marketting folks don't know the power of the brand exudes. <p>The people that OKed the decision to make forfour and formore should have been shot dead. forfour is a disgrace to the smart brand, it offers nothing different, just a high price. A smart SUV doesn't make sense, why is it that any manufacturer that wants to come to the US always thinks of SUVs first?.............they can sell cars too if they make them good enough.<p>The only cars deserving of the smart brand are the fortwo and forfun. expensive they may be, but they are very individual and charming machines.

taskbearer
12-27-2004, 06:16 PM
The canning of the maclaren P8 is a well welcomed news, I really believe MB should focus on getting their quality back to top level and remove any sidetracking money lossing supercar project. The market is already overcrowded.

Seller Automotive
01-02-2005, 12:07 PM
I agree with you taskbearer..... but that shouldnt mean the McLaren project should be put on hold... McLaren as a company has nothing to do with Mercedes working on their "quality standards".. On top of that, If Mercedes really wants to "find their roots" with quality.. they should branch out "McLaren" into a seperate brand..<p>Anything built by McLaren will sell like CRAZY... especially a 150-250k mid-engine supercar. (the $450k SLR has been selling for $800k-$1 million..) a $250k mid-engine McLaren would sell like CRAZY on the open market.

iamalittlepepper
01-02-2005, 04:38 PM
Partially.. I would say the initial pricing was too high.. scaring most potential customers... if you want to mass market something make the barrier of entry low.. something MB didn't seem to get.<p>I also think Supercars are very cyclical creatures.. Even the old McLaren F1 didn't break even.. with the current market white hot, it only time before it turn cold again.. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How do you explain the money problems? also bad marketing? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Seller Automotive
01-02-2005, 07:57 PM
Road and Track, January 2005<p>TONS of McLaren information/speculation<p>2008 $175k-225k McLaren P8<br>SLR Successor, codenamed C60<br>2010 1000hp mid-engine McLaren (set to compete with the Bugatti Veyron)<p>I tried to find the write-up on roadandtrack.com... but the website doesnt seem to be updated yet for the January Issue.