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Santeno
05-18-2005, 06:52 AM
At many different points in automotive history, there have been different cars in different points in time, that have created fundamental shifts in the societies in which they were introduced. The main reason was because they were able affordable to buy, own and maintain, and where accessible to a large portion of the population. The VW Beetle is an example of one such vehicle.<p>Please tell us what vehicles you feel qualify as true "People's Cars" in different parts of the world, and what their effect has been in those places where they were introduced.

Superfresa
05-18-2005, 07:49 AM
Well on a global scale, there's the Toyota Corolla - The best sold vehicle (narrowly beating the beetle up to two years ago or so so it must have a wide margin now).<p>The VW Beetle is out of question too, as is the Ford T Model.<p>I would dare to add Mazda MX5/Miata to the list, not because it's top selling or incredibly cheap or anything, but it's the only car that for years got the true spirit of cars and sport to a pretty wide range of people - so It's not responsible for appealing to the most people but it is of making popular the spirit of racing and fun, etc...<p>Add there mini cooper, which marked an era in history and influenced the whole car design worldwide for a few years.<p><br>Now, moving on to my country, I can easily talk about Renault. It made history for its excellence in such an irregularly contoured geography, featuring "Mountain gearbox" which made it not lose pace in any road as normal cars generally did. It also had better suspensions for this country, andit was quite rugged for the roads in terrible conditions. It was common to see a Renault 4 overtaking BMWs and MBs mainly to its ability of adapting to steep, curvy winding roads where no car could keep up. Add to that a very comfortable price and you'll understand why the Renault 4 is commonly known as "The Colombian Car of the XXth Century"<p>I'd have to talk about the Chevrolet Sprint (Suzuki procedence). Record sales, it lasted well over 25 years here un touched. It went out of rpoduction fortunately, and finally, at the beggining of this year. It was a car from the late 70s though, untouched.<p>As for australia, you can't leave the HOLDEN COMMODORE and the FORD FALCON out. They have marked australian automotive history since decades ago, when these car's began their little war...

Reppu
05-18-2005, 08:09 AM
In Spain, that honour is definitely for the SEAT 600<p>EDIT: i've been asked to explain why. The reason is that it was the first car for 90% of my parent's generation. You could say it was the first really affordable car, the one that did put wheels in spanish society 40 years ago.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Reppu at 8:21 AM 5/19/2005</i>

Superfresa
05-18-2005, 01:21 PM
Add to the list Citroen 2CV and Fiat 500 / Topolino.

CalinG7
05-18-2005, 01:41 PM
Dacia made it possible for Romanians to drive cars. Cheap, sturdy, and willing to take the abuse of mountain roads and country use. The new Dacia Logan might just bring that experience to a number of new countries.

CarMattZu777
05-18-2005, 07:25 PM
In Japan, the Subaru 360 was the first "peoples car," and it came out in 1958. It had a ladybug shape. <p>In SUVs, may sound biased, but the Isuzu Trooper was the first "peoples SUV" in the US, affordable, spacious, 4 doors, durable, and well equipped.<p>And of course the Ford Model T duhhh.

Cozz
05-18-2005, 07:38 PM
I think any generation VW Jetta/Bora is a poeple's car.

Superfresa
05-18-2005, 07:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think any generation VW Jetta/Bora is a poeple's car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe there but <I>definitely</I> not here. It's very expensive here.<p><br>Jeep Willys, Land Rover Series I, II & III, Toyota Land Cruiser, Nissan Patrol, Suzuki Samurai and Daihatsu Wildcat should be all be considered in their early days models as people's cars. Here for instance, these vehicles built half a country...

Hornbag
05-19-2005, 03:48 AM
Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore...no doubt about it!<p>They are affordable, and big, and thats why they sell!!!<p>They represented a change in Australian automotive industory, from mostly imported vehicles assembled in Australia, or fuly imported, to cars that were partly designed in Australia and built here too, ensuring jobs, and great value for money! They had powerful V8's, so they went like the clappers. They were (still are) big, and cheap, so familys could buy bigger cars to fit their family. And for that they are imbedded in Australia history, so here is my salute to these amazing cars!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Hornbag at 10:10 PM 5/20/2005</i>

Santeno
05-19-2005, 07:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In SUVs, may sound biased, but the Isuzu Trooper was the first "peoples SUV" in the US, affordable, spacious, 4 doors, durable, and well equipped.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Once again you are showing your bias. If any vehicle applies for the title of people's SUV in the US I would argue that it is a toss-up between Jeep's original Wagoneer and their original Cherokee. Both models preceeded the Trooper in time and (definitely the cherokee, if not both) sold in greater numbers in the US. As a matter of FACT (not my opinion), jeep had been offering the following vehicles in SUV form since long before the Isuzu trooper became available in 1984:<p>1946 - 1965 Willys-overland Jeep 4x4 Utility Wagon<br>1962 - 1991 Jeep Wagoneer <br>1974 Jeep Cherokee Chief (Wagoneer variant)<br>1983 - 2001 Jeep Cherokee (XJ Series)<p>The XJ Series Cherokee is by far the biggest selling SUV in north america and is largely credited with starting the SUV craze (not SUV's as a whole). this was due largely in part to it's size, relative power, capabilities and most of all, affordable price. It's true that your beloved Isuzu's sold in sizeably volume during the second half of the 1980's and into the early 1990's, but during their entire run, To the best of my knowledge, they were outsold by several other SUV's. Might want to check your facts next time.

Superfresa
05-19-2005, 08:05 AM
Yeah I agree with you Santeno, yet the largest selling SUV in the US in not a Jeep but a Ford Explorer. Unluckily that has to go in the list as well <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>BUT Patrol, Land Cruiser, Wildcat, Land Rover, Samurai and of course Willys are of more heritage, importance and were trully important for many countries like mine (like both of my countries at that in fact).

Santeno
05-19-2005, 10:01 AM
How very true. The explorer should definitely have been part of that group.

Santeno
05-19-2005, 01:22 PM
Don't Lada's little square sedans share a similar spot in many former comunist countries?

Tidal
05-19-2005, 03:00 PM
old USSR countries, yes. But other countries had other brands, like Skoda for ( old ) Checoslovakia, Trabant for RFA, Dacia for Romania...<p>Also, in the SUV side, the Suzuki Vitara was the first cute-ute i think.

CarMattZu777
05-19-2005, 04:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Once again you are showing your bias. If any vehicle applies for the title of people's SUV in the US I would argue that it is a toss-up between Jeep's original Wagoneer and their original Cherokee. Both models preceeded the Trooper in time and (definitely the cherokee, if not both) sold in greater numbers in the US. As a matter of FACT (not my opinion), jeep had been offering the following vehicles in SUV form since long before the Isuzu trooper became available in 1984:<p>1946 - 1965 Willys-overland Jeep 4x4 Utility Wagon<br>1962 - 1991 Jeep Wagoneer <br>1974 Jeep Cherokee Chief (Wagoneer variant)<br>1983 - 2001 Jeep Cherokee (XJ Series)<p>The XJ Series Cherokee is by far the biggest selling SUV in north america and is largely credited with starting the SUV craze (not SUV's as a whole). this was due largely in part to it's size, relative power, capabilities and most of all, affordable price. It's true that your beloved Isuzu's sold in sizeably volume during the second half of the 1980's and into the early 1990's, but during their entire run, To the best of my knowledge, they were outsold by several other SUV's. Might want to check your facts next time.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>This is not a matter of who sold most. The Jeep Wagoneer could NEVER be considered a "peoples" SUV. It cost alot. Maybe double what a Trooper cost at the same time. I wouldnt even call the Cherokee an endearing value, as they have always also been on the pricey side. The Wrangler may have competed in the price range of the Trooper, but look at the difference. I wouldn't day the Wrangler is more of a value than the Trooper. The meaning of "peoples car" was one that was affordable to buy and maintain, and accessible to people. I beleive that the Isuzu Trooper was a much more affordable and accessible SUV, and its sales and popularity prove that. Plus, I think the Trooper, in its various names around the world, has sold nearly just as many if not more overseas, as Jeep mainly only plays in the US. So as a worldwide thing, the Isuzu Trooper was one of the first affordable SUVs that was available to the people of the world. And I add to that list the Mitsubishi Pajero. Land Cruiser got expensive pretty quick, so I wouldnt deem it a "peoples SUV."

Superfresa
05-19-2005, 05:38 PM
Post a pic of the trooper you're talking about, there's one 4X4 rebadged as Chevrolet here that might be it and that i would agree with.<p>The Mitsubishi Pajero in its first generations, I'd definitely agree with, to put it there next to the Land Cruiser/Land Rover/Willys/Patrol in the tough workhorse section, but I wouldn't go a step further (unless that izuzu there is what I'm thinking on)

taskbearer
05-19-2005, 08:14 PM
In my country Nigeria, the peoples car was the peugeot 504<br><IMG SRC="http://www.retrogarage.dk/others/peugeot504/IMG_0359.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.retrogarage.dk/others/peugeot504/IMG_0357.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>Oh!! What a beauty!<p>It was the only car being assembled in the country with 37% local parts. Every family at one point in time must have had a 504 usually as a first car. it was priced similar to the imported original VW beetle while offering more practicality. As time went on they facelifted it and corrupted the original elegance with plastic cladding. <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.calligramme.com/504/images/world/ok/Nigeria.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>It was the best selling car inthe country for ages, but for some reason, prices kept increasing to their current state @ a ridiculous US$18,000 equivalent. Making it only fractionaly cheaper than a much modern 307 @ $19,000 and 406 @ $22,000. this removed the car from peoplecar status, but left a mark in history as the car that put Nigeria on wheels. BBC even called it "africa's favorite car." <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by taskbearer at 10:28 PM 5/19/2005</i>

Santeno
05-20-2005, 06:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is not a matter of who sold most. The Jeep Wagoneer could NEVER be considered a "peoples" SUV. It cost alot. Maybe double what a Trooper cost at the same time. I wouldnt even call the Cherokee an endearing value, as they have always also been on the pricey side. The Wrangler may have competed in the price range of the Trooper, but look at the difference. I wouldn't day the Wrangler is more of a value than the Trooper. The meaning of "peoples car" was one that was affordable to buy and maintain, and accessible to people. I beleive that the Isuzu Trooper was a much more affordable and accessible SUV, and its sales and popularity prove that. Plus, I think the Trooper, in its various names around the world, has sold nearly just as many if not more overseas, as Jeep mainly only plays in the US. So as a worldwide thing, the Isuzu Trooper was one of the first affordable SUVs that was available to the people of the world. And I add to that list the Mitsubishi Pajero. Land Cruiser got expensive pretty quick, so I wouldnt deem it a "peoples SUV."</TD></TR></TABLE><br>This is exactly about who the biggest sellers were, for in practically every case (but not always), the biggest or initial sellers had the most impact on the market place (defining the market and establishing the standard by which consumers measure the vehicle type). Since you reffered to SUV's in the US, no other brand has had an effect in north america in the expanding the reach and capabilities of SUVs to a wide range of consumers as Jeep has (they've been doing it since after WWII). Of those the most recognizeable (besides the CJ jeeps is the XJ Cherokee.<p>BTW, no one is talking about world wide sales (were once again you are wrong, other brands have had a greater impact than Isuzu). To quote your initial post:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In SUVs, may sound biased, but <b>the Isuzu Trooper was the first "peoples SUV" <u>in the US</u></b>, affordable, spacious, 4 doors, durable, and well equipped.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>In the US, that is just not true. It wasn't the first, it wasn't the biggest seller, & it didn't define it's category. It was initially popular sure, but that's about it. In THIS country, Jeep invented the SUV market, and ford, in many ways, created the standard for the modern American SUV. The proof is that the vehicle remained in production more than 10 years after it was scheduled for decomission, and continues in production in other parts of the world. It's predecessors have followed the same basic formula and dimensions and continue to be the some of the most popular SUV's (not just in the US). <p>Around the world, That's a hard one to say, because different vehicles have had different impacts in different regions. For example, In australia, Land Rovers Toyota Land Cruisers, opened up farm country. While in many parts of Latin america, that honnor has gone to vehicles like Toyota Hilux extended cabs and lada Nivas.<p>I guess next you are going to say that Isuzu also invented the people's sportscar (which we all know is the Rio <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ); Ice cream and Apple pie...<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:53 AM 5/20/2005</i>

Superfresa
05-20-2005, 09:32 AM
True Santeno, just one thing, Lada Niva's are rarely seen here. However spot on about the Hilux but add also LandCruisers, Lan Rovers and Willys especially.

AM2
05-20-2005, 12:35 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> ISUZU <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>the Isuzu Trooper was one of the first affordable SUVs that was available to the people of the world.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think they were not that affordable everywhere...<p>...what about these?<br><IMG SRC="http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/album/cd/images/cranefield.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>..and later on...<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/646/989/norm_30_Nomade_(TD01_1990-1997)_Japan.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 3:40 AM 5/21/2005</i>

Santeno
05-20-2005, 12:45 PM
Is that a jimny/Samurai (the white one)? Didn't one of our italian members once said that they were important farm vehicles in his country? I think the Fiat 500 was important to getting many italians behind the wheel of a car. Am I wrong?

RENCO
05-20-2005, 02:48 PM
Dodge Caravan

AM2
05-20-2005, 03:08 PM
The People's van...<br>the Type-2 VW Bus "Kombi"<br><IMG SRC="http://www.oldbug.com/68b2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

CarMattZu777
05-20-2005, 04:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Post a pic of the trooper you're talking about, there's one 4X4 rebadged as Chevrolet here that might be it and that i would agree with.<p>The Mitsubishi Pajero in its first generations, I'd definitely agree with, to put it there next to the Land Cruiser/Land Rover/Willys/Patrol in the tough workhorse section, but I wouldn't go a step further (unless that izuzu there is what I'm thinking on)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>These are the Troopers, and yes, the Trooper has been the "Chevrolet Trooper," as well as General Motors Caribe, Honda Horizon, Subaru Bighorn, Acura SLX, Holden Jackaroo, Isuzu Bighorn, Isuzu Citation, Holden Monterey, Vauxhall Monterey, as well as numerous Chinese brands and other less known brands and names. <p>The Trooper debuted in 1981, 1 year before Mitsubishi Pajero, 3 years before the Jeep Cherokee and Toyota 4Runner, 4 years before Nissan Pathfinder, and a full 10 years before Ford Explorer.<p>This may be the SUV you have seen, the Trooper:<p> <IMG SRC="http://troopers.seanweems.com/images/hassels.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Jeep Commander seems to have got a few styling cues from here..... hehe jk<p>Oh and I just found this- GMC Trooper from Europe:<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.chevy4you.de/biker.jpg" BORDER="0">

orangeeagle13
05-20-2005, 05:26 PM
<A HREF="http://img279.echo.cx/my.php?image=1957vwbeetle3az.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img279.echo.cx/img279/5252/1957vwbeetle3az.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>I think the VW Beetle (Official name was Type 11, right?). I think this is definatly a peoples car, it was inexpensive and very recognizable. I mean it must be a peoples car if the German translation of Volkswagen is Peoples Car! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
05-20-2005, 06:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>This may be the SUV you have seen, the Trooper:<p> <IMG SRC="http://troopers.seanweems.com/images/hassels.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Jeep Commander seems to have got a few styling cues from here..... hehe jk<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Yeah that's the one I've seen before, The one I'd agree with<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777)</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Oh and I just found this- GMC Trooper from Europe:<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.chevy4you.de/biker.jpg" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And that thing is horrid and shouldn't be here...

Santeno
05-20-2005, 07:36 PM
alright nor more trooper posts, this discussion will not be hijacked like many others by silly isuzu arguments. Back on topic everyone.

Superfresa
05-20-2005, 08:22 PM
Yeah that's true, but I think that there is place for the Izuzu Trooper (the first) to be included <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> In that case, this is perfectly on topic, I believe.

AM2
05-20-2005, 10:28 PM
Some people's off-roaders<br>Toyota Landcruiser FJ<br><IMG SRC="http://www.landcruiserspecialties.com/images/forsale/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>The 1st gen 60's Bronco before Ford moved it upmarket...<br><IMG SRC="http://www.westol.com/~blcars/images/sale2352a.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>

Excellerator
05-21-2005, 08:47 AM
No one's bothered to say this, so I'm going to say it for them: The Chrysler PT Cruiser. Yes, it may have been underpowered, and yes it may look girlish, but C'mon people, that thing had absolute <b>style</b> back when it was first produced. In fact, I remember I had to take a picture every time I was walking past one that was parked. Now we have one for Driver's Education at school, and of course, the style has worn off... a lot.<p>The second one should be the Subaru Royale/Loyale or any of their wagons since I keep seeing them everywhere. They're as common as the color green here in Vermont. They must be reliable too, because I see a lot of the older ones. If they are a people's car, it's because their 4WD systems keep us going and going and going...<p>What about the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord? If they weren't people's cars, then why are people buying so many of them? I love ours, that's all I can say <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>(edit: we only own the Camry, but, hey, wishful thinking, right?)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Hyundai_Fan at 7:30 PM 5/21/2005</i>

AM2
05-21-2005, 10:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hyundai_Fan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What about the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord? If they weren't people's cars, then why are people buying so many of them? I love ours, that's all I can say <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It depends from what country you come from I guess... if your talking worlwide, they sell more Corollas, because they are more affordable and in someplaces is considered as the "right size" car where a car like a Camry is considered too big or expensive.

Krypton
05-21-2005, 05:11 PM
In India the Maruti 800 has brought the car to a lot of people and has become the #1 selling car there

anonms
05-21-2005, 08:41 PM
Why not the Prius? It put hybrid technology in a practical package at an impressive price, putting technology that offers an alternative for people who don't have access to diesel in a desirable vehicle that has become a status symbol (to an extent).

mzoltarp
05-22-2005, 05:35 AM
The Prius has a long way to go before it truly revolutionizes society. That may or may not happen. The Accord and Camry revolutionized American society. They caused a shift by mainstream Americans away from domestic 4-door sedans to japanese produced models and then later American versions of those products. THe 1964 1/2 Mustang was definitely a people's car. It arrived and suddenly the rank and file American could have a sporty performance car. Granted it did not sell as much as a Model T, but it is truly iconic.

Superfresa
05-23-2005, 08:28 AM
This thread is turning away from its original purpose. In no time someone will post that the M5 or the AMGs are peoples cars...

Santeno
05-23-2005, 08:38 AM
Yeah guys, keep the discussion focused please.

mzoltarp
05-25-2005, 05:02 PM
The focus is on affordable cars that were easy to maintain and which changed society.<p>64 1/2 Mustang: affordable easy to maintain created the entire pony car personal car shift in American society<p>Camry/Accord: cheap, easy to maintain, took mainstream buyers to Japanese companies. Talk about a soceital shift from the days of Chevy and Ford being the only choices.<p>Or are we talking "hair shirt" cars only?

Naga Royal Guard
05-26-2005, 06:02 PM
civic has been a peoples car for some time - too bad its image is heavily tarnished w/ RicErS

zwei Biere bitte
05-26-2005, 08:49 PM
- Citroen 2CV... I have a thing for weird French cars, and this thing is a true peoples' car. <br>- Fiat 500<br>- Volkswagen Bettle, duh. <br>- Dacia/Renault Logan<br>

Santeno
05-27-2005, 06:56 AM
How about our members from different Communist or former comunist countries? What were the vehicles that motoroized your countries?

AM2
05-27-2005, 07:54 AM
I'm not from former comunist country, I'm from the Philippines, i'd like to post some people's cars/utility vehicles that are popular or were once popular in my country<br>Here are some...<br>The "Stainless Jeep" Is a replica of the old Willys Jeeps... <br><IMG SRC="http://www.desertgold.com/classic/1951willy/jeep.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Like the longer "Jeepney" used for public transportation, these were based on original Jeeps left by the US troops.<p>The Kia Pride aka Mazda 121 & Ford Festiva<br><IMG SRC="http://hasso.co.is/uploads/ImageGallery/Images/bilar/Kia%20Pride.gif" BORDER="0"><p>VW Country Buggy Known locally as the Sakbayan<br><IMG SRC="http://www.ltv-vwc.org.uk/wheelspin/ws_aug_2000/VW_Country_Buggy.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Original VW Beetle<br><IMG SRC="http://www.germanpartshaus.com/320x240/001662_df.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>American Austin<br><IMG SRC="http://www.mbautomuseum.com/Cars/american_austin.jpg" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
05-27-2005, 09:47 AM
Some pretty interesting vehicles especially that buggy.<p>That would be one heck of a sight seeing stretched Jeeps used as public transport. I wonder what gas mileage the cars...ooops Jeeps would get.

AM2
05-27-2005, 11:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some pretty interesting vehicles especially that buggy.<p>That would be one heck of a sight seeing stretched Jeeps used as public transport. I wonder what gas mileage the cars...ooops Jeeps would get.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I think sometime in the 70's Jeepney makers switched to Japanee Diesel engines, which is cheaper and more economical. <br><IMG SRC="http://www.chemenv.titech.ac.jp/watanabe/Media/2004-12-Manila/jeepney.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img175.echo.cx/img175/1244/jeepney6bg.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 2:35 AM 5/28/2005</i>

orangeeagle13
05-27-2005, 05:29 PM
So the VW Sakbayan is the Philippines version of the American VW Thing? I've always liked the Thing, You never see them where I live <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
05-27-2005, 07:57 PM
Am I an idiot or are British Fords quite a people's car in the UK?

AM2
05-27-2005, 11:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>orangeeagle13</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So the VW Sakbayan is the Philippines version of the American VW Thing? </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not really, production of the Country Buggy(Sakbayan)started 2 years earlier in 1967.<br>It was originally built in Australia and exported as kits to the Philippines and some other countries. Production continued in the Philippines after they ended production in Australia. In the Philippines many later versions had the fiberglass tops with doors.<br>It was based on a Type-1 chassis but had a Type-2 rear end with reduction hubs and reduction gearing.... later versions in the Philippines adapted a fully independent rear suspension and the larger 1600cc engine. Original ones had the smaller 1300cc and 1200cc engines.<br><IMG SRC="http://members.netro.com.au/~vwcc/cb_files/image001.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.precious-parts.com/sakbayan_pic/Sakbayan%20Picture%209.jpg" BORDER="0">

orangeeagle13
05-28-2005, 08:27 AM
Ah, it is all clear now. Either way, they are still really cool!