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Cozz
05-11-2005, 05:06 PM
I bought a 2004 Chrysler Pacifica in Nov of 2003 with a bunch of options like leather, heated seats, adjustible ride height, etc. I came to a problem in Aug. of 2004 when my rear hatch didn't want to open up via the remote nor the button in the car. I decided to hold off until my next oil change that was on Sept. They had a look at it and check the codes. Three error codes came up and said they had to order a new latch for the rear hatch. Well, after several months of calling back and forth, my part finally came in on April 2005. Yes, 7 freak'n months!<p>I got an oppiotment to put it in and got a loaner for the day. I later get a call that the latch wasn't the problem. They also needed to order a new handle for the hatch. No problem I said. A week later it goes in again. Handle changed and latch changed. They call me up so I can pick it up. My wife goes to pick it up and guess what? I doesn't work. They did it a bunch of times and always worked until they parked it outside when my wife went to pick it up. Again, another apointment a week later. It wasn't fixed the first day so we keep the loaner over night. It's not fixed the next day nor the day after that. I call them up and they have no clue what the problem is. They asked for the other remote so they can reprogram them from scratch. A total of six days passes by when I get a call... It's finally ready. My wife picks it up and works fine. The manager tested it with her several times and worked perfect. They say that had to replace a master control unit.<p><br>I got home late that night so I didn't test it. I decided to test before my wife went to work. I go outside, press the button and it works! It goes up perfectly. I press the button again... and the damn thing goes crazy again!!!<p>It doesn't open anymore. Lights flash to let you know it's going up but no bell noise. I have to open it by hand. I press it to close it and it almost closes it and just stops. Then I have to play with the handle a bunch of times to open it up and slam it shut. It doesn't lock when you press the lock button. Anyone can go there and press the lever and it opens then the alarm goes off.<p>I checked the NJ laws and feel that this issue falls in the Lemon Law. If the car is less than 2 years with less than 18K miles, then if the repair shop can't fix it within three atempts or 20 days out of service because of repairs then it becomes a lemon.<p>The Lemon Law only goes for issues with safty, use, or if it hurts the value of the car. I think my case can fall it all three sections. I only need one in order to claim it as a Lemon.<p>I have to fill out a certified letter and send it to DC about this problem(s).They have to respond within 10 days. Then they have one more chance to fix the problem. If the problem isn't fixed then they are forced to give me my money back or, if I choose, a newer model.<p>If anyone has some extra info on the Lemon laws then it would be great. I will be sending the letter before this weekend.<p>PS. Don't get me wrong, I love the damn thing. It's safty and it's ride is nothing less than perfect. If it does become a Lemon then I wouldn't mind a newer model if they hook me up with discount. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Cozz at 7:03 PM 6/6/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
05-11-2005, 05:40 PM
well at least the engine is intact

Cozz
05-11-2005, 05:47 PM
Gee, thanks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
05-11-2005, 05:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gee, thanks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>anytime <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Mindless T
05-11-2005, 06:12 PM
LOL @ Chrysler, maybe you're missing a subframe? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Nick
05-11-2005, 06:27 PM
My friends PT Cruiser is a lemon...

Superfresa
05-11-2005, 06:59 PM
my lemon's friend is a car

anonms
05-11-2005, 07:32 PM
Was the power rear hatch standard or optional?<br>It can still be opened manually, right?<br>If the power rear hatch was optional and if I were you, I would be so angry.<p><br>I like pink lemonade.

Nick
05-11-2005, 10:43 PM
well, you know what they say...when life gives you lemons, make lemonade...

Cozz
05-12-2005, 05:16 AM
Yeah, the power hatch is optional.<p>Funny thing is my wife tested it all day and it didn't work. I try it last night and all of a sudden it works. It also worked this morning. Time will tell.

Hornbag
05-12-2005, 06:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, you know what they say...when life gives you lemons, make lemonade...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Or pass the vodka and salt baby! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My friends PT Cruiser is a lemon...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My friend is a lemon, and she is HOT! But i dont know what that has to do with anything <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Funny thing is my wife tested it all day and it didn't work. I try it last night and all of a sudden it works. It also worked this morning. Time will tell.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I say the dealer should actually try to fix it, insted of doing a bodgie job! <br>And yes, you car is a lemon, because its a Chrysler! LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> Jokes<p>But good luck dude with you car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> Hope it gets fixed soon!

olegk21
05-12-2005, 10:28 AM
all cars can have problems, some more than others<br>that's why a lot of people buy toyotas, but then again my dad has a toyota and the check-engine light keeps coming on and the dealer can't fix it<p>I'd work on trying to get them to give you a new car, and if that's what it takes, then go to court for it.

Flagship
05-12-2005, 01:07 PM
Some advice...replace every part, it worked with my Chevy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
05-12-2005, 03:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, you know what they say...when life gives you lemons, make lemonade...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, indeed.<p>But I wonder what Pacifica-ade will taste like...

olegk21
05-12-2005, 06:36 PM
cheap and inferior<br>... just kidding

Cozz
05-12-2005, 09:02 PM
Guess what, I tried it again. It didn't work. I'm fed up with this.

Verdegrrl
05-16-2005, 11:34 AM
Well, I'm not sure if it falls under the safety heading, since it doesn't sound like the hatch pops open while the car is driving. If it did, your case would be a slam dunk.<p>Did you contact Chrysler prior to going citrus status to see if they would conduct a good will buy-back? It's too late now, but that is often how people get the best upgrades if they are willing to consider buying something from the same company again. That way the company doesn't have to try and unload a car saddled with a lemon title, so it can make financial sense to them.<p>At this point document everything. Whom you spoke to, when, and what was said. It doesn't matter how trivial - document.

Cozz
05-17-2005, 07:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Verdegrrl</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, I'm not sure if it falls under the safety heading, since it doesn't sound like the hatch pops open while the car is driving. If it did, your case would be a slam dunk.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>It doesn't lock and sometimes it does close shut. This is why the dealer refused to let go of the car the third time. You can bring it down and the auto lock is supposed to lock it but it doesn't. It stays half shut. Almost like a door that isn't closed all the way. It only catches that first part of the pin. This to the dealer was a safty issue because it can open up on a bump or something.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Did you contact Chrysler prior to going citrus status to see if they would conduct a good will buy-back? It's too late now, but that is often how people get the best upgrades if they are willing to consider buying something from the same company again. That way the company doesn't have to try and unload a car saddled with a lemon title, so it can make financial sense to them.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I haven't sent the letter out because it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. I tried it outside just an hour ago and it's going more crazy than before! I have to go to the dealer tomarrow because the guy that worked on the truck broke some clips that hold the plastic center piece that's on the bottom edge.<br>[/QUOTE]<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>At this point document everything. Whom you spoke to, when, and what was said. It doesn't matter how trivial - document.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I have all the documents except one. The one that shows the first time they worked on it. They said they left the work order open because they had to order more parts. But I think the second time reciept shows both times of labor and parts. I even have the document that shows they knew the problem and odered the part back in Sept. of 04 yet took months to get the part.<p>PS. What should I do in your best opinion? <br>

Cozz
05-17-2005, 07:39 PM
OK guys, I did a ruff draft of my Lemon law letter. I just need to add the actual dates and extra info between the lines...<p>__________________________________________________ _________<p><br>5/17/05<p>To Whom It May Concern: <p><br>I believe that my car is a "lemon" under the New Jersey Lemon Law (N.J.S.A. 56:12-29 to 56:12-49). I am hereby making a written demand for relief under the Lemon Law. <p>I purchased a 2004 Chrysler Pacifica (VIN#****************) on November of 2003 from ********* in ********, NJ. Since I bought the vehicle, I have had to return it to the dealership a total of 3 times. My vehicle has been out of service for repairs for a total of 7 calendar days. The current mileage on my vehicle is 16,400 miles.<p>My vehicle has been in *********** on the following days for repair of the following defects:<p>September 27th, 2004- Power Hatch<br>April 10th, 2005-Power Hatch<br>April 17th to April 21, 2005 (5 days)-Power Hatch <p>I am having the following problems with my vehicle at this time: <p>Power rear hatch doesn't open via remote nor interior button.<br>Power rear hatch doesn't close via remote nor interior button.<br>Power rear hatch doesn't lock via remote nor interior button.<br>Power rear hatch doesn't unlock via remote nor interior button.<p>Since these defects substantially impair the use, value and safety of my vehicle, I am hereby allowing you one final opportunity to repair my vehicle. If these repairs are not made within ten calendar days of receipt of this letter, I am entitled to a replacement vehicle acceptable to me or a refund calculated in accordance with the Lemon Law. I look forward to hearing from you soon. You can reach me during the day at 1.234.567.8900, evening at 1.234.567.8900.<p>Sincerely, <p>Cozz. aka- the best that ever did it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>__________________________________________________ ________<p>What do you guys think?

syclone
05-18-2005, 09:29 AM
Letter looks pretty good. It's simple, to the point, and covers the details. Good Luck!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Or pass the vodka and salt baby! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>isn't that tequilla <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Verdegrrl
05-18-2005, 09:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK guys, I did a ruff draft of my Lemon law letter. I just need to add the actual dates and extra info between the lines...<br>What do you guys think?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Most manufacturers have a zone rep or something to that effect. This is a person who travels throughout an area and does troubleshooting when dealers are stumped. This person can greatly expedite your claim by verifying to the factory that the problem exists and that your claim is valid and not the result of dealer incompetence. They can suggest to the manufacturer, a recommended course of action, and can negotiate on their behalf. Ask the service manager if they have such a person, and if you could make appointment for a little face to face talk.<p>I would preface the main body of the letter with how much you love the vehicle, and maybe even mention it a few more places, so that they might consider offering your a discount on a new one, rather than just doing the minimum the law requires at this point. They aren't going to offer you a great deal on a new one, if they think you'll be driving their product and bad-mouthing them all the while. I would also run your letter through a spell checker.

Cozz
05-18-2005, 04:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Verdegrrl</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Most manufacturers have a zone rep or something to that effect. This is a person who travels throughout an area and does troubleshooting when dealers are stumped. This person can greatly expedite your claim by verifying to the factory that the problem exists and that your claim is valid and not the result of dealer incompetence. They can suggest to the manufacturer, a recommended course of action, and can negotiate on their behalf. Ask the service manager if they have such a person, and if you could make appointment for a little face to face talk.<p>I would preface the main body of the letter with how much you love the vehicle, and maybe even mention it a few more places, so that they might consider offering your a discount on a new one, rather than just doing the minimum the law requires at this point. They aren't going to offer you a great deal on a new one, if they think you'll be driving their product and bad-mouthing them all the while. I would also run your letter through a spell checker.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmm... it would be a choice for me and DCX to either pay back my money including all tax and registration fees or give me a new car of any model. The law says they have to pay back whatever I paid inlcuding all other fees so I think is would be better on DCX's part to offer a new car instead.<p>PS. I spoke to the service manager about going this route he he sais he has no control of it nor do I think any dealer has any control about someone going this route. It's between DCX and me. The dealer is cleared if they did everything by the books and I do think they did.<p>I have decided to send the letter but this doesn't mean it will go the Lemon law route. It simply means I mean business and they have a chance to take the car back before it does become a lemon. I'll send it tomarrow. We'll see.<p>Thanks.

Cozz
06-06-2005, 04:02 PM
<br>***************** UPDATE **********************<p>I have sent the letter a couple of days ago via certified mail. I received the receipt of the letter today. I also recieved a UPS envelope from DCX explaining they have a final chance to fix the car within 10 days.<p>I have also recieved a phone call from my dealer today to make an appointment. I will call them tomarrow to do so.<p>So for, so good. 10 days from now or sooner, I'll see where I stand on this matter. I will keep you guys updated.

knicks125
06-06-2005, 04:36 PM
That's good news...let's hope everything turns out well <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
06-06-2005, 05:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's good news...let's hope everything turns out well <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hope not. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

FordRules
06-12-2005, 04:53 PM
dont buy another daimler chrysler they have too many problems and issues, get a ford freestyle to replace it! they are way better anyways, well thats my opinion on what you should do! My friends parents are getting rid of their chrysler 300 because in the 1st month they had to take it to the dealer to get it fixed twice! DCX has too many lemons

zwei Biere bitte
06-12-2005, 08:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ford_rules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont buy another daimler chrysler they have too many problems and issues, get a ford freestyle to replace it! they are way better anyways, well thats my opinion on what you should do! My friends parents are getting rid of their chrysler 300 because in the 1st month they had to take it to the dealer to get it fixed twice! DCX has too many lemons</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I can't wait till Cozz comes.

Lakeshow23
06-12-2005, 10:26 PM
4 days left. Waiting for information on that lemon... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
06-12-2005, 11:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ford_rules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get a ford freestyle to replace it! they are way better anyways</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just becasue its a Ford doesnt mean its the best <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> (i never said that ok, LOL) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
06-13-2005, 06:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I can't wait till Cozz comes. </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> Same here! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
06-13-2005, 09:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ford_rules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont buy another daimler chrysler they have too many problems and issues, get a ford freestyle to replace it! they are way better anyways, well thats my opinion on what you should do! My friends parents are getting rid of their chrysler 300 because in the 1st month they had to take it to the dealer to get it fixed twice! DCX has too many lemons</TD></TR></TABLE><p>haha...i think you spoke too soon...<p>DCX might have its problems but so does Ford, today ANOTHER recall of nearly 260,000 trucks, SUVs, vans was issued <B>RE: Stalling diesel engines, fuel line problems cited may suddenly stall</B><p><A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8203875" TARGET="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8203875</A><p>Looks like it's not off the hook just yet...

Cozz
06-13-2005, 04:21 PM
Well guys, my wife droped the car this morning and got the loaner (2005 Pacifica). They had the car all day and said they will keep it over night. The sad part is it started working when my wife droped it off!!! I guess it stoped working again because they won't release the car now without nowing everything in order....or else!<p>I went this route not because of the probelm itself but more because I had to wait 7 months for a damn part(and that wasn't even the problem). It's amazing how qiuck some one will help you when they get a "care package" from DCX.

Cozz
06-13-2005, 04:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ford_rules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont buy another daimler chrysler they have too many problems and issues, get a ford freestyle to replace it! they are way better anyways, well thats my opinion on what you should do! My friends parents are getting rid of their chrysler 300 because in the 1st month they had to take it to the dealer to get it fixed twice! DCX has too many lemons</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I like the Pacifica. No, I love the Pacifica. Please let me know when Ford has something that matches the Pacifica is safty and value and I'm all ears. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
06-13-2005, 04:27 PM
PS- ford_rules, My have a discount from a family member that I could have used toward any Ford car or truck and any brand under Ford. It was a nice discount too but I didn't see anything I liked. My Sister in Law used the discount on a 2004 Mazda 6, fully loaded- dirt cheap!

SV
06-14-2005, 12:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Just becasue its a Ford doesnt mean its the best <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> do my eyes decieve me?<p>the freestyle is a good car, just bland. i doubt it's any better reliability-wise than the pacifica, since it's based on a volvo and their reliability isn't all that great from what i've heard. however, the freestyle is also cheaper than the pacifica (it is, isn't it? i think so; at any rate that makes up for the ford's slightly cheaper interior), so they only compete with each other if you're comparing a top-level freestyle and maybe a mid-level pacifica. anyway, i hope everything works out w/ your chrysler cozz <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
06-15-2005, 07:40 PM
Ok guys. We picked the car up today in the afternoon. They tried it 40 times without fail yesterday until they waited and tried it again and it didn't work. They found another piece that may have been the problem all along within the latch to the lever. They said it works perfect now. We picked it up and I have tried it a bunch of times and it has worked without fail. The whole thing is smoother than ever apon going up and down. I'm happy so far. I'll try the test tomarrow morning as it seems it always fails. If it still works then I guess that was the problem. I guess it isn't a lemon, thank God!

Superfresa
06-15-2005, 08:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> do my eyes decieve me?<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's what i was thinking too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Anyway Cozz, sorry that the thing eventually worked, I mean you could've gotten a good deal on a new one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> But hey, a 1 year old Pacifica isn't bad <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">