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Cozz
04-19-2005, 07:30 PM
I noticed that a lot of English car brands aren't doing too good. Is there a reason for this? Is there any English brand that is doing good at the moment? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
04-19-2005, 07:57 PM
Land Rover is in process of quick recovery after a reasonable period where they were abandoned. Don't quote me, but I think they're doing quite well in sales, since the Range Rover III. Now I think they are receiving a boost with the Land Rover LR3, and will start to do even better as every model gets a redisign within the next 5 years, + the Range Rover sport and the planned baby Land Rover.<p>Jaguar is going next. I think they're not bad cars, they just seem to be abandoned too, so soon PAG will probably give Jaguar a boost.<p>Aston Martin isn't doing bad, I guess but they should be doing better.<p>Rover can go bankrupt as far as I'm concerned, have they even made any respectable vehicle in the last few decades? I mean REALLY respectable compared to other manufacturers?<p>Now, MG, pity about all the heritage. That's one brand that should be saved.<p>Lotus should grow to become more international, but they're not exactly doing bad are they?<p>and that's about it for Brit cars. <p><br>PD. Always wanted to know, Is Kenworth British or from USA?

zwei Biere bitte
04-19-2005, 08:05 PM
TVR is doing pretty good I hear... <p>Although in MG's case... I guess that what happens when all you have are outdated, outclassed cars with bad financials to begin with. Sounds like some brands from another country... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
04-19-2005, 08:19 PM
I think it's a mixed bag actually. <p>Mini is kicking ass, Bentley can't keep up with demand, Aston Martin is seriously ramping up, Lotus is finally selling a few cars in the US again, Land Rover is making great products if not quite generating huge profits yet...<p>But yes, MG/Rover is DOA, Jaguar is holding on, Rolls is a question mark and the rest of the great brands are in, well, great car brand heaven. The Austins, the Jensen's, the Triumphs; All dead. RIP.<p>The reasons are varied from what I can tell. The general vibe is that labor, management and the government inadvertently conspired to kill the UK manufacturing industries with lack of forsight. Fortunately, times change and new brands arise. TVR, for example, may actually start to come around as a sports car challenger. McLaren is branching out from just racing. And Caterham, once a lowly Super 7 "kit car" company, is making phenomenal track day racers with a new owner.<p>I guess the difference between success and failure has to do with investment. The winners are getting new owners (BMW, VW, Ford, etc.), often with deep pockets and willing to invest. The losers get the same old stiff upper lips with no resources to speak of leaving them with skimpy development budgets. The market's too unforgiving these days to survive like that.<p>

KebabGud
04-20-2005, 06:51 AM
its funny .. ther is now longer any big British car makers..<br>there all american/russian now! .. :P<br>

Santeno
04-20-2005, 07:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its funny .. ther is now longer any big British car makers..<br>there all american/russian now! .. :P<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>If by russian you are refferring to tvr, you are mistaken. TVR is still very much a british frim. It is owned by a british citizen of russian birth yes. however everything else about the firm is british. The firm is not run from russia, nor is it tied to any russia based holding company. TVR is very much a british company still, and if memory serves, is now the largest independent british automaker.

AM2
04-20-2005, 02:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Jaguar is going next. I think they're not bad cars, they just seem to be abandoned too, so soon PAG will probably give Jaguar a boost.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Jaguar going next? With the new XJ and the upcoming all-new XK... maybe not. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
04-20-2005, 04:52 PM
I meant "Going next" as in following Land Rover's steps turning from an abandoned manufacturer into a popular selling manufacturer. So The comment was positive about Jaguars future.

MrMGMan
04-21-2005, 03:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rover can go bankrupt as far as I'm concerned, have they even made any respectable vehicle in the last few decades? I mean REALLY respectable compared to other manufacturers?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Rover have actually made some very good cars in the past 10-15 years. Sometimes in the past they've conducted joint development programmes with Honda, and sometimes relied wholesale on Honda's engineering resources to provide fully designed cars to be built under license with chrome grilles and Rover badging. The results of those joint ventures and licensing deals have been mixed - ranging from the poor (Rover 800 - Honda joint venture), through the average (Rover 400, Rover 600 - licensing deal) to the very successful (R8 Rover 200 - Honda joint venture).<p>After the Honda era, they produced cars ranging from the respectable and and fairly well regarded R3 Rover 200/25 in 1995 (production ceased only when the company went into administration, 10 years after the car's launch), to the award winning and still very highly thought of Rover 75 in 1999.<p>Superfresa said he wants MG to survive, and its worth pointing out that as a company, if there's no Rover, then there's no MG, as the only model unique to MG is the TF sports car, the rest of their range - the ZR, ZS and ZT - are all Rover derived models. The MG brand will undoubtedly survive, but of the current crop of cars, only the TF has any future - which is something of a shame, as the Rover-based MG Z's have driven MG's UK sales up to 50,000 a year within 4 years.

taskbearer
04-21-2005, 09:19 PM
Have any of you read this <A HREF="http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=630176" TARGET="_blank">http://news.independent.co.uk/...30176</A> Richard Branson is sugesting that the government steps in and convert the now dormant Longbridge factory into an electric car factory <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
04-22-2005, 06:05 AM
and we all know how well electric cars work.

MitzXJ220
04-22-2005, 09:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MrMGMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Rover have actually made some very good cars in the past 10-15 years. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes they have!<p>My dad used to get a new Metro (and a few Maestros) every six months when he worked for a TV rental company as a TV engineer.<p>We also had a Maestro Vanden Plas - the one that talked! - a Leyand 440 van (based on the Morris Ital), a Rover 820 SLi and we still have a 95 Rover 214 Si 3dr.<p>These cars were good, granted they did break down - a lot more compared to our Jag. But in the 80's and 90's Japaneese cars might have been reliable they they were ugly.<p>Come to think of it I don't think we've ever had a car that wasn't made in Britain. Any Fords that we've had were built in Dagenham (Zepher 6, Fiesta) or Halewood (Escort).<p>At least we still have small sports car manufacturers!

mzoltarp
04-27-2005, 05:55 AM
The death of Rover was coming eons ago. As soon as BMW dumped the English patient but kept Mini, the writing was on the wall. I keep hearing/reading rumors that BMW retained the rights to the MG name. That would make sense as BMW looks to use the Mini platform to make a variety of cars. A 5 door Mini could be called the Metro for example. A BMW 1 series convertible could become a new MG...if they hold the rights to the name.<p>It is a shame that TVR is not sold in the USA.<p>As for using an idled Rover factory to build electric cars...I assume that the British govt. would have to shell out billions to make it happen? Riiiight<p>Here's a question: Were any of Rover's factories modern enough that anyone would want them? Maybe the crafty folks at Hyundai could buy a factory for virtually nothing and get a honey of a deal with the unions.