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Dan J.
03-17-2005, 11:13 AM
With fuel prices rising and more alternative fueled vehicles in the pipleine if you had the choice today to choose between gas, diesel , electric, Hybrid and in the future Hydrogen power. Would you choose the alternative to gas? Please offer insights on your choice.

Reppu
03-18-2005, 12:36 AM
With my type of driving, diesel is the answer. Maybe electric engines with their constant torque could do it as well, but i don't think so really. You know, i don't like revving that much.

Banker
05-13-2005, 12:18 PM
Give me a fuel efficient Gasoline engine over the hype of a Hybrid or the stink of a Diesel.

taskbearer
05-17-2005, 07:50 PM
Hybrid is one of the most talked about technology today, its among the most hit searches on google. Back to reality. I would take a diesel out of all listed, why? Simple diesels are the only things yet that offer performance while saving you fuel. <p>The cost of diesels are reducing at an alarming rate, and they've been achieving hybrid bettering economy for some time now. the expensive particulate filters are also improving and dropping in price. Diesels have become the default choice in europe even for some sporty models. <p>Although originally helped by subsidized fuel, the price difference between gasoline and diesel is closing drasticly as gasoline engines adopt more expensive technologies. Sales of diesels are begining to increase even in countries without diesel subsidies. <p>Some European companies even make better diesel engines than gasoline engines, especially Fiat and PSA two of the strongest disel engine makers. Hybrids are too expensive, the premium for a hybrid engine today is about $3000 compared to $1000-$1500 for diesels. <p>Diesels also tend to provide real world fuel economy closer to EPA ratings than hybrids.<br>read Edmunds road test comparison on hybrid and diesel SUVs <A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/105527/article.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/reviews....html</A><p>

Cozz
05-17-2005, 07:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Give me a fuel efficient Gasoline engine over the hype of a Hybrid or the stink of a Diesel.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Guess you still live in the 80's. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
05-18-2005, 04:10 AM
My only problem with diesel engines is engine noise, but new diesels, like Honda's ctdi, have proved even that is going away, so my vote goes to diesel.

pcread
05-18-2005, 07:14 AM
Snapshot, now, at this moment; diesel. Specifically the brilliant 2.7L biturbo unit in the Jaguar S-Type. Quiet as a gasoline engine, far more torquey and fuel efficient to boot.<p>In the future...Hydrogen. Unless someone invents a way to make enough biodiesel to fuel every vehicle after the oil runs out.

Superfresa
05-18-2005, 07:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Snapshot, now, at this moment; diesel. Specifically the brilliant 2.7L biturbo unit in the Jaguar S-Type. Quiet as a gasoline engine, far more torquey and fuel efficient to boot.<p>In the future...Hydrogen. Unless someone invents a way to make enough biodiesel to fuel every vehicle after the oil runs out.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I couldn't agree more with you Pcread - even on the wonderful 2.7CGI Turbodiesel also available in the best SUV ever <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>As for noise, most modern diesels would embarrass a 5 year old luxury saloon noise-wise, even on heavier duty engines the noise levels are very low nowadays.<p>As for acceleration, whilst diesels can't accelerate as fast as petrol/gasoline engines, just for reference, Diesel powered SUVs (normal SUVs) are doing 0-100kph in under 11 seconds already, which is close enough for me. And they're getting there.<p>Torque-wise, Petrol engines have nothing to argue to diesels, and as for bhp, there is some difference but diesels are pretty close nowadays.<p>As for the smell, if you really think that diesels smell, you either drive a 30 year old diesel or have a fuel leak.<p>Then there's economy, durability, efficiency - all to favour diesels....

anonms
05-18-2005, 03:59 PM
My love for high-tech stuff leads to my preference to Hybrids. That and the oh-so-beautiful Prius is a hybrid.<p>I concede that modern diesels are good, but (1) there is only one diesel fueling nozzle in the district of Fremont that I live in and (2) they can't sell them in California, anyways.<p>A diesel-electric hybrid would be &lt;3, though.

taskbearer
05-20-2005, 11:12 AM
For the present battle, diesels would win over gasoline, hybrid, or hydrogen. diesel hybrids for cars would be far too expensive and the economy gains would be too minimal. Take GM's parallel hybrid diesel buses for instace, they are way short of their fuel economy target with only 7% gain in fuel economy. Only in a series hybrid like trains do would a diesel hybrid make sense. New yorks series hybrid tests have averaged a gain of 28% in fuel economy.<p>For the future, electric would reaign supreme. There's already an infrastructure( no need for an expensive hydrogen economy), system is less complex than fuel cells and cost a whole lot less. Fuel cells have not really shown any improvements in mileage compared to EVs. EVs biggest pillar is the cost and range of batteries, but newer generation batteries would address these problems and bring EV back to the spotlight.

check
05-22-2005, 11:27 PM
Ill sacrifice the quietness for 25% more fuel effciency, and who cares if other people think your car is noisy? :D<p>I heard a Jetta TDI the other day, was a little louder then a gasoline version but did anyone around him care? no. :P<p>oh yeah, give me hydrogen anyday.

scorpio14
05-22-2005, 11:52 PM
I vote Hybrid... ony coz im a toyota fan and like what theyre bring out

Hornbag
05-23-2005, 04:30 AM
I live in the past, i know...<p>But whenever i think of diesel i think of whever im made to fill up our Landcruiser. The fuel smell sticks to you, its filthy...although modern diesels are FAR more refined and efficent than our car!<p>At this stage a fuel efficient petrol is good for me...<br>I dont really see a major impact of hybrids untill they become more fuel efficent to comfensate for the price premium...or they just become cheaper<br>Hydrogen is too far off yet...<p>So for the next couple of years i will stick with petrol, but hybrids are becoming more and more attractive!!!