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Pavilion
03-13-2005, 09:11 PM
I have been visiting this site forever and i love it. My question is, would the Ford 427 in some type of production form be a rival to the Chrysler 300? My feeling is that with the cautious design (imo) of the Five Hundred, The Crown Vic with a 427 face lift would generate a lot of sales.

Naga Royal Guard
03-13-2005, 09:15 PM
the only solid detail really is that the Panther cars are due for redesign in the coming years ( 08 i think ) and derivatives of the 427 face are already in use on fords, the 500 is also due for facelift soon, or such was reported<p><br>still some companies believe the 300/C is a fickle trend and that conservative cars are better for long terms sales so who knows<p>glad you like the site :)

AM2
03-14-2005, 03:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pavilion</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have been visiting this site forever and i love it. My question is, would the Ford 427 in some type of production form be a rival to the Chrysler 300? My feeling is that with the cautious design (imo) of the Five Hundred, The Crown Vic with a 427 face lift would generate a lot of sales.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I made a chop of a facelifted Crown Vic... <br>click here: <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14334" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14334</A>

Hornbag
03-14-2005, 05:59 AM
HELL YEAH BABY! FOR FORD 427!

MontrealMustang
03-14-2005, 06:34 AM
I believe that the true successor to the Crown Vic will be the australian Ford Falcon. It'll save on design costs for BOTH the US and Australia and it can be built on the same platform that the Lincoln LS and Ford Mustang are on, thus reducing costs further.<p>I'd be very very surprised if it wasn't the Falcon.

Hornbag
03-14-2005, 06:44 AM
Personally, id be very surprised if it IS!<p>Ford US dont reali have much to do with the Falcon, and dont think they will 4 a while.

AM2
03-14-2005, 10:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe that the true successor to the Crown Vic will be the australian Ford Falcon. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Falcon is a mid-size sedan... and what about the long wheelbase version known as the Failane and LTD? Well they are as big as the Ford Fivehundred. <br>Now isn't the Crown Vic supposed to be a full-size sedan?

Pavilion
03-14-2005, 01:29 PM
Nice chop AM2. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> The next Crown Vic should be awesome if it uses the bold new three bar design instead of the bland (though classy) 500 face.

MontrealMustang
03-15-2005, 03:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally, id be very surprised if it IS!<p>Ford US dont reali have much to do with the Falcon, and dont think they will 4 a while.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The specs for the Falcon and Crown Vic are very similar. Not only that but the heads of Ford USA have gone to Australia to see the Falcon and "check it out" It wouldn't be an australian import like the Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO but a Aussie design made in the US.<p>Here are the specs for both cars. As you can see they're close:<p>EXTERIOR<p>Overall Length<br>Falcon 193.54 inches<br>Crown Victoria 212.00 inches<p>Overall Width<br>Falcon 73.38 inches<br>Crown Victoria 78.20 inches<p>Overall Height<br>Falcon 56.85 inches<br>Crown Victoria 58.30 inches<p>Wheelbase <br>Falcon 111.38 inches<br>Crown Victoria 114.70 inches<p>Front Track <br>Falcon 61.14 inches<br>Crown Victoria 63.40 inches<p>Rear Track <br>Falcon 61.85 inches<br>Crown Victoria 65.60 inches<p>Curb Weight <br>Falcon 3847lbs<br>Crown Victoria 4057lbs<p>INTERIOR<p>Front headroom <br>Falcon 39.76 inches<br>Crown Victoria 39.30 inches<p>Front legroom <br>Falcon 42.76 inches<br>Crown Victoria 42.50 inches<p>Front shoulder room <br>Falcon 59.57 inches<br>Crown Victoria 60.10 inches<p>Front hiproom <br>Falcon 57.52 inches<br>Crown Victoria 58.00 inches<p>Rear headroom <br>Falcon 38.43 inches<br>Crown Victoria 37.90 inches<p>Rear legroom <br>Falcon 38.58 inches<br>Crown Victoria 39.60 inches<p>Rear shoulder room <br>Falcon 58.82 inches<br>Crown Victoria 60.30 inches<p><br>As you can see the Falcon is bigger than the Ford in nearly every dimension except rear seat room and even then the Crown Vic really isn't that much bigger (An inch is 3.27 cm). It also has the advantage of being much less massive to drive around than the Crown Vic. Couple that with the shrinking market for huge cars and there is a lot of incentive for Ford to import the aussie design and make a 4 door Mustang.<br>

AM2
03-15-2005, 04:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>(An inch is 3.27 cm) </TD></TR></TABLE><br>An inch is equal to 2.54cm.<p>Don't you think a Falcon based Crown Vic would make it too close(in terms of size) to the Fivehundred?<p>Overall Length<br>Falcon 193.54 inches<br>Fivehundred 200.7 inches<p>Overall Width<br>Falcon 73.38 inches<br>Fivehundred 73.7 inches<p>Overall Height<br>Falcon 56.85 inches<br>Fivehundred 60.1 inches<p>Wheelbase <br>Falcon 111.38 inches<br>Fivehundred 112.9 in <p><br>Front headroom <br>Falcon 39.76 inches<br>Fivehundred 39.4 inches<p>Front legroom <br>Falcon 42.76 inches<br>Fivehundred 41.3 inches<p>Front shoulder room <br>Falcon 59.57 inches<br>Fivehundred 57.8 inches<p>Front hiproom <br>Falcon 57.52 inches<br>Fivehundred 54.2 inches<p>Rear headroom <br>Falcon 38.43 inches<br>Fivehundred 38.6 inches<p>Rear legroom <br>Falcon 38.58 inches<br>Fivehundred 40.9 inches<p>Rear shoulder room <br>Falcon 58.82 inches<br>Fivehundred 57.6 inches<p>Assuming the all-new Falcon/Fairlane is similar in size to the current one, I suggest you compare the Fairlane/LTD(LWB Falcon) dimensions with the Crown Vic instead.<br>

MontrealMustang
03-15-2005, 05:42 PM
Probably, but I have a bad feeling about the Five Hundred's place in the US market. It's too expensive to replace the Taurus and too European to replace the Crown Vic. There's a good chance that it'll fade away like the Merkur line or the early 90's Capri or the FWD Cougar. Ford's been very very unlucky when it came to rebadged vehicles from Europe or Japan. The only ones that sold were the Escort and Focus. Every single other attempt has met with miserable failure and I'm just waiting for the 500 (which is a rebadged Volvo) to die like all the others.<p>Also, Ford wants to keep it's dominance in the police car market and needs a RWD vehicle to fill the slot. The Five-Hundred doesn't have a V8 and a FWD/AWD configuration is less suitable for police patrol work. They must sell at least 100,000 fleet sedans every year. No way they're giving that up.<p>AND... there's this whole new "Musclecar" craze burgeoining in the States and Ford's been caught with it's pants down. It can't afford to lose sales to someone else. Besides, the US Ford Falcon would likely be identical to the Aussie one so the cost of producing it here would be minimal. It's a chance they can't afford to take.<p>Thanks for the correction about inches to cm btw. My bad.

Hornbag
03-16-2005, 12:08 AM
Well, the new Ford Fairlane (Falcon based LWB sedan) would be great for the US market i think...since the US approach is the bigger the better!

AM2
03-16-2005, 12:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Probably, but I have a bad feeling about the Five Hundred's place in the US market. It's too expensive to replace the Taurus and too European to replace the Crown Vic. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Fusion replaced the Taurus and the Fivehundred doesn't replace the Crown Victoria.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm just waiting for the 500 (which is a rebadged Volvo) to die like all the others. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Fivehundred's platform was based on a modified Volvo platform... its not a rebadged Volvo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>And I think it won't die out.... as long as the Impalas, Avalons etc still exist out there, all what Ford needs is a more powerful Duratec35!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, the new Ford Fairlane (Falcon based LWB sedan) would be great for the US market i think...since the US approach is the bigger the better!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>If they can price it right.... then the Fairlane/LTD would be a good car to base the next Crown Victoria on.