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Mindless T
03-10-2005, 12:33 PM
Hey guys, I drive a 1999 Akura TL and it was getting tire rotation 2 days ago at my buddy's shop. So the car was on the jack up pretty high and we were done with 2 tires and then you won't believe what happened. 2 of us was standin outside smoking and then this breaking noise occured and metal echo all over the place. We walked in the shop and I couldn't believe my eyes! My engine fell off the car, from the bottom part! It was hanging down almost touching the ground and the part of the tranny was still hooked up under the car...Since there was no way we could pull it back up we decided to drop it on the ground. We freed the engine from the tranny mounts or whatever you call them and used the scroll bar to swing it down. <br>Later checking everything we made a conclusion that my motor mounts were loose and the whole alightment setup was very poor. I don't know what to say now...The engine and tranny swap would cost me a lot, even from some junkyard. My crank is broken and cracked because the engine landed on the bottom. Should I try fixing it all or get a new one? Did any of you have similar problems?

Santeno
03-10-2005, 12:41 PM
Well, unless you can somehow convince your insurance company to cover this one I would say you are up that famous river, without a means of locomotion.<p>My question is, how did the motor mounts all give way like that? Was this car involved in a front end collision in the past? had your motor mounts been replced improperly? the whole thing sounds fishy.

Mindless T
03-10-2005, 12:49 PM
Well Santeno, thanks for the input and I agree If someone told me that I would slap the person in the face but unfortunately it happened. To answer your question, yes the car was invloved in the front end collision with a small frame damage, I bought it from salvage car auction and my friends who are mostly dealers and mechanics convinced me that there was "nothing major" there. I went for salvage because it was pretty cheap and besides the front damage the car was in excellent condition.<br>Also as I found out yesterday I was STILL using original motor mounts! So now I'm pretty mad at them for picking up a salvage car for me and not repairing it properly. I don't think I'll ever buy Acura again... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
03-10-2005, 01:01 PM
wel, it sounds to me like the problem has noting to do with the quality of the car being an Acura, but rather is repair work (from the initial collision) that was done improperly. If the car had been totaled (which is likely the reason it was in the salvage yard), whoever repaired it should have gone the extra mile to make sure that the car was structuraly sound. My guess is that that didn't happen.<p>For your motor mounts to fail the way they did, they must have been damaged during the initial collision. Perhaps they were stressed, cracked, or maybe the galvanized layer of steel was breached and they simply rusted. Sorry bro, but unless your buddies are willing to do all the repair work for nothing, and thoroughly this time, you're stuck paying for it or for an entirely new car.

Superfresa
03-10-2005, 02:17 PM
ohhh car jacks... Just had the most unlucky incident with one...<p>My Land Rover was fliped over by the stupid mechanic who decided only to let one side of it down.... oh well sorry for taking this out of topic, just reminded me of it...

knicks125
03-10-2005, 03:24 PM
Concuring with Santeno, the problem isn't the Acura brand, there are a lot of question marks you should have considered before you made the purchase from a salvage auction, you probably consider those factors already, as you said in your post. The problem, just as Santeno said, could have occurred during the collison/repair process<p>This is why I will never buy used car. One reason being I've had experienced similar ordeals (sp??) just like you did, although not as bad; the seller, regardless of whom, will never tell you the entire history of the car, his/her sole motivation is to sell/get rid of the car before you found out problems (hey you could have checked online about your TL, there are a lot of resources online you can find about a specific car - ex. carfax)<p>I actually have a TL, and so far no problems to report. Almost all asian cars are high quality, and as far as reliablity is concerned, they are the best right now, according to numerous of study findings. Can't go wrong with them <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Nick
03-10-2005, 08:00 PM
I don't think there is any actualy real problems with buying used...if anything it's smarter if you do your homework...obviously carfax being one of the first things you check out...buying new is somewhat pointless because once you drive it off the lot it drops in price immediatelyso its better to get a newer used car thats in clean shape with fairly decent mileage....but anyways...

mzoltarp
03-12-2005, 06:59 AM
Long story short: do not buy a car with a salvaged title.

Cozz
03-13-2005, 09:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mindless T</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey guys, I drive a 1999 Akura TL and it was getting tire rotation 2 days ago at my buddy's shop. So the car was on the jack up pretty high and we were done with 2 tires and then you won't believe what happened. 2 of us was standin outside smoking and then this breaking noise occured and metal echo all over the place. We walked in the shop and I couldn't believe my eyes! My engine fell off the car, from the bottom part! It was hanging down almost touching the ground and the part of the tranny was still hooked up under the car...Since there was no way we could pull it back up we decided to drop it on the ground. We freed the engine from the tranny mounts or whatever you call them and used the scroll bar to swing it down. <br>Later checking everything we made a conclusion that my motor mounts were loose and the whole alightment setup was very poor. I don't know what to say now...The engine and tranny swap would cost me a lot, even from some junkyard. My crank is broken and cracked because the engine landed on the bottom. Should I try fixing it all or get a new one? Did any of you have similar problems?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>questions...<p>1. Why do you need to lift the car high for a tire rotation when just 3" off the floor is easier and faster?<p>2. How does a motor fall from the tranny when it's bolted together?<p>3. How does a motor fall when you have the exhaust bolted to it?<p>4. Also, the motor would have ripped every single harness from the firewall, no?<p>5. How does motor clear the axles to the front tires? The axles need to move out of the way... so does the tranny... I guess?<p>I have done a couple of clutches on Hondas and it's almost impossible for a motor to come from underneeth without takeing the rest of the drivetrain with it.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
03-25-2005, 07:26 PM
Da bump.

Mindless T
03-25-2005, 07:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Da bump.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>oh hey dude, thanks for response, im at work now so dont have time to answer u....stay tuned till monday...

JBlair
03-25-2005, 11:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">questions...<p>1. Why do you need to lift the car high for a tire rotation when just 3" off the floor is easier and faster?<p>2. How does a motor fall from the tranny when it's bolted together?<p>3. How does a motor fall when you have the exhaust bolted to it?<p>4. Also, the motor would have ripped every single harness from the firewall, no?<p>5. How does motor clear the axles to the front tires? The axles need to move out of the way... so does the tranny... I guess?<p>I have done a couple of clutches on Hondas and it's almost impossible for a motor to come from underneeth without takeing the rest of the drivetrain with it.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good points.....I was gonna say; Isn't the motor on top off the front axle? Either you're lying to us, or something else happened to precipitate it. (either way we're not getting the whole story.)

Cozz
03-26-2005, 11:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Good points.....I was gonna say; Isn't the motor on top off the front axle? Either you're lying to us, or something else happened to precipitate it. (either way we're not getting the whole story.)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was trying to say it in a nice way that it's impossible for the motor to "fall" out. The motor needs to be loose from the tranny via several loose bolts around it then it still needs to slide back(side ways) several inches because of the main shaft in the tranny that slides inside the flywheel. If it's automatic then the starter may have to come out so you can reach the inner bolts. The only way is to turn the motor and loosen one at a time in sequence.<p>After that, you still have to worry about the axles, it's a front wheel drive with a V6(?) above it, there is no way in hell that motor is going to slide through just inches of space around each axle.<p>Then you have to think about if it has a subframe (I really don't know those V6's) If it infact has a subframe then it's like ripping out a locomotive train motor underneeth from under the tracks...it ain't gonna happen you hear.

knicks125
03-27-2005, 09:27 AM
I don't think it's the car itself, rather what people did with the car might be the problem.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Long story short: do not buy a car with a salvaged title.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Mindless T
03-28-2005, 06:08 PM
Cozz was a smartass to me in another thread so i wont reply to him, but all i can say is, im not a car guy so i dont even know what firewall means, my whole front setup was screwed up so it fell with the axles and other things. subframe? no ide whats that, anyways you dont have to believe, it was a sad day for me tho, the car is sold now, went for 5500$ without the engine....

Cozz
03-28-2005, 07:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mindless T</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cozz was a smartass to me in another thread so i wont reply to him, but all i can say is, im not a car guy so i dont even know what firewall means, my whole front setup was screwed up so it fell with the axles and other things. subframe? no ide whats that, anyways you dont have to believe, it was a sad day for me tho, the car is sold now, went for 5500$ without the engine....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is complete bull**** and you know it!<p>There is no way in hell a motor drops with the axles when the axles are not even bolted to the motor. The axles go in the tranny from boths sides... the same tranny you say was still on the car.<p>Me, a smart ass? OK..I agree only if you agree that this whole "story" is a complete lie.<p>Geee wiz George, you would think anyone would take a picture of the damn thing.<p>PS- show my the link that I was a "smart ass" to you please.

Santeno
03-29-2005, 08:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...it ain't gonna happen you hear.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well if there is one thing I learned through many lumps is that Murphy's law always applies, no matter how unlikely a scenario seems ("if there is a way for someone to find a wrong way to do something, they will", or as it is more popularly known, "if something can possibly go wrong, it will").<p>The fact is that however unlikely the scenario presented by Mindless T is, it is quite possible. Besides we werent there to examine the car and see exactly what failed and what if anything else came out with the engine (something tells me that other parts of the drive train followed it out).<br>

knicks125
03-29-2005, 09:03 AM
I agree to some extent, as anything is possible...<p>That said, I am still not convinced unless there are some hard facts (pics, documentation, etc). Depsite the fact that it is a fairly recent model (99 Acrua TL), I am still not sold by the fact that you bought this car with a salvaged title. Right there you should have known the car must've had some problems, otherwise, it wouldn't be savlaged in the first place.<p>I am not sure why you bought it in the first place, but I am more shocked by the fact the car was sold for 5,500 without a damn engine. Who in their right mind would buy a car without a engine, plus the fact your 99 Acura TL should not have a lot of resale value in the first place, being it has a salavage title and god knows what kind of history the car has.<p>Like I said before, I still wouldn't blame the car itself, I am still putting a lot of doubts on that salavged title and those people who have worked on your car...

Cozz
03-29-2005, 04:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Well if there is one thing I learned through many lumps is that Murphy's law always applies, no matter how unlikely a scenario seems ("if there is a way for someone to find a wrong way to do something, they will", or as it is more popularly known, "if something can possibly go wrong, it will").<p>The fact is that however unlikely the scenario presented by Mindless T is,<b> it is quite possible.</b> Besides we werent there to examine the car and see exactly what failed and what if anything else came out with the engine (something tells me that other parts of the drive train followed it out).<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry Santeno, it isn't possible by any means of what he wrote. I have spoken to someone who knows them and it does in fact have a subframe. The fact that he doesn't even come here now to stand up for himself and the fact that he played it off saying he won't reply (because of me) is a dead give away to anyone but me because I already know the truth... the truth is it can't happen.<p>A motor simply doesn't fall off with the tranny bolted to the chassis, a motor doesn't fit through the subframe no matter how much butter you grease it with. He thought he could get away with this thread until a guy that works on cars all day reads it and asks questions.<p><br>I hate to say this but Mindless T got owned. This thread is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0">

Mindless T
03-29-2005, 06:02 PM
You're the one who got owned by saying that tranny is located on both sides of the engine. I simply do not want to discuss this with a person who attacks me and calls me a liar, I came here for help not to prove something...

Cozz
03-29-2005, 06:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mindless T</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're the one who got owned by saying that tranny is located on both sides of the engine. I simply do not want to discuss this with a person who attacks me and calls me a liar, I came here for help not to prove something...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Incorrect sir, I never said the tranny is on both sides.... the axles are on bothe sides of the tranny.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If you don't want to discuss it with me, then go ahead and discuss it with everyone else how your car broke the laws of physics. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-30-2005, 05:39 AM
Mindless T, let me ask you nicely, do you have any pics and documentation for this problem?