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Chris_Doane
03-07-2005, 02:46 PM
So I'm thinking about a Liberty (maybe the CRD model) but I keep hearing Jeeps break about once a month. Anyone have good/bad Jeep service experiences to share?<p>I suppose I would consider a Rav4 too, but I dont really see how that could go off-road at all.

Santeno
03-07-2005, 03:08 PM
I have actually done a fair amount of research on jeeps since I'm still thinking about buying a Grand Cherokee. What I've found is that older Jeep Cherokees as well as first Gen Grand Cherokees at some point suffered from transfer case and transmission problems. Apparently this was common enough to develop a "reputation" that sadly the entire brand is still saddled with. Some of the cj jeeps also had occasional mechanical problems but since people modify those quite a bit I've never really heard whether they were problems inherent with CJ's or not though I must believe that on such open vehicles problems would happen occasionally.<p>Modern jeeps (Cj's, Liberty's and GC's) from what I've found out have all been submited to quality controls imposed by the german parent. aparently the opccasional problems that have arisen have been addressed by recalls. I have heard though that Libertys are not nearly as extremely off-road capable as one is led to believe (which doesn't mean they are not capable), and that their engine is exactly the most powerful thing when going off-road. apparently the independent suspension, whicle good for most off-road use and more comfortable on-road, causes you to have noticeable limits during hard off-roading. Those arent problems as much as design limitations but It's what I've found out. Hope that helps.

Chris_Doane
03-07-2005, 03:30 PM
Hmm...interesting. That does help, thanks. I wouldnt be doing real serious stuff like rock crawling or aynthing. Just some "jeep" trails with ruts, some rocky parts, the occasional stream crossing and some steep sections.<p>My 97 Explorer can handle most of it...had enough low end power/gearing. So I was thinking the Jeep Liberty would be better at it. Better clearance anyway....hehe not so good to bottom out the rear diff. on a rock... let me tell you.

Chris_Doane
03-07-2005, 03:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Explorer_97</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My 97 Explorer can handle most of it...had enough low end power/gearing. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hah which btw means, I had a switch that said "4WD LOW." Kinda surprised how well it did, but, couldnt handle it all.

Bluesman
03-07-2005, 06:12 PM
I have a 98' JGC 5.2L and we've lost the rear axle bearings once, and the front axle bearings twice. Not to mention the transmission front seal, CV boots, radiator, neutral safety switch, front brakes, starter, and water pump.<p>I'm lucky that I can fix most of that, but frankly it was more than I expected or hoped would go wrong. Check consumer reports, the are rated pretty low for mechanical reliability.

Chris_Doane
03-07-2005, 06:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 98' JGC 5.2L and we've lost the rear axle bearings once, and the front axle bearings twice. Not to mention the transmission front seal, CV boots, radiator, neutral safety switch, front brakes, starter, and water pump.<p>I'm lucky that I can fix most of that, but frankly it was more than I expected or hoped would go wrong. Check consumer reports, the are rated pretty low for mechanical reliability.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmm OK thats the kind of nightmare Im worried about. I did check out the consumer reports, which was my first warning sign...stories likes yours added on to the pile.<p>Damnit....why can't someone make an SUV that can go offroad and not get sh** mileage.

Naga Royal Guard
03-07-2005, 06:44 PM
rode in an old cherokee down some really bad streets, could hear so much rattling and stuff didnt seem bolted down, dont care for jeep much at any rate, but the GC ( prev generation too ) are really nice vehicles all the same

Naga Royal Guard
03-07-2005, 06:49 PM
rav cant go off road, wasnt its purpose - 'dre can tell ya about that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Chris_Doane
03-07-2005, 07:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">rav cant go off road, wasnt its purpose - 'dre can tell ya about that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hah can he? that should be good. Come on toyota...how bout an off-road package? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

RS
03-07-2005, 07:28 PM
How about Ford Escape?

Chris_Doane
03-07-2005, 07:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How about Ford Escape?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yea I have been looking at that too. I read a few things that say "not so much" as far as taking it offroad. You give up about 1.5 inches in ground clearance compared to the Jeep.<p>The MPG on the Escape would be pretty good. Then again I guess at this point the 15/20-ish Im getting from my Explorer will be dwarfed by most cars.

Naga Royal Guard
03-07-2005, 07:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Explorer_97</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hah can he? that should be good. Come on toyota...how bout an off-road package? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>about the rav in general, dont think he took it offroad tho ( sorry for being misleading, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p><br>xterra is a nice rugged suv tho <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Chris_Doane
03-07-2005, 08:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>about the rav in general, dont think he took it offroad tho ( sorry for being misleading, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p><br>xterra is a nice rugged suv tho <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Andre says the Rav4 does OK in "light offroading." Heh, that kinda sounds like driving over the lawn.<br> <br>One of the first SUVs I looked at actually was the Xterra, unfortunately the MPG is a little too suck-tastic for my wallet. I guess Im wanting too much of both worlds. Good MPG and some off-road capability.

Andre
03-07-2005, 08:24 PM
LOL, I've done the driving over the lawn before<p>Nah, I've ended up on a pitted mud road before and it's done fine. Not sure if I would Ford Rivers and climb a 20% grade though

fockerRN
03-08-2005, 08:08 AM
In the vicinity of the Liberty's price range are the redesigned X-Terra and the Kia Sorento, both of which are very off-road capable and are much better than the Liberty in terms of quality and reliability, and probably most other aspects as well. Plus, the new X-Terra you can get a 265 hp engine with a 6-speed. I'm sure it will kick a$$ off road. I would get the Nissan or Kia over the Liberty. It's funny that the Germans holding Dailmer-Chrysler vehicles to a high standard...Mercedes-Benz just finished second worse in industry quality only in front of Lincoln. That isn't saying much regarding the "high quality standards" of their automobiles.

Santeno
03-08-2005, 09:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Explorer_97</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damnit....why can't someone make an SUV that can go offroad and not get sh** mileage.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>They can and they do. As others have said I would reommend looking at the Sorrento (which was modeled after and benchamarked against the pathfinder); The X-Terra; the Vitara (don't knock it, it looks like a joke but it is incredibly capable); and off course the mighty 4-runner. Every one of these vehicles should prove to be very very satisfying under challenging (but not extreme) off roading conditions (though the Sorrento is still a bit of an unknown quantity, long-term reliability-wise). All of these vehicles have true 4x4 systems with low range. If you are planning on doing what you described, I would not take anything that didn't have a true 4x4 system. That includes vehicles like the 4-runner, crv, escape/tribute, outback, freelander, etc. Others might disagree, but That's my opinin based on my experiences with both types of vehicles.

Andre
03-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Your problem is that gas mileage thingy on all those trucks... it's Compareable to your current car on all of them. In your shoes I'd get something small and not do a lot of offroading until your feet are under you a bit more.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 3:07 PM 3/8/2005</i>

Chris_Doane
03-08-2005, 06:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your problem is that gas mileage thingy on all those trucks... it's Compareable to your current car on all of them. In your shoes I'd get something small and not do a lot of offroading until your feet are under you a bit more.<br><i>Modified by Andre at 3:07 PM 3/8/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yea I might be stuck with that for now. The Kia's mileage might even been a tiny bit worse than what I get now. Blah....oh well. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
03-08-2005, 06:38 PM
Get a Subaru Forester. That's reasonably capable, gets great fuel figures, and you will gain in road handling and highway cruising. Plus it suggests sportishness, if it's the image what you look for when buying a SUV.

Chris_Doane
03-10-2005, 09:28 PM
Well looks like Im going to have to decide sooner than I thought on that new car. It broke down today about 100 miles away from home. Blew either the head gasket or the intake manifold gasket. Or if Im really lucky, both. In short...lots of smoke and no coolant left in the motor. I believe this is what's usually referred to as "the last straw."<p>So here I sit at home with a nice rental Dodge Dakota V8 at 45.99/day (because thats all they had left on the lot) and my car sits in a garage 100 miles away. It might be done tomorrow. Who knows. Son of a...!!!*&^!@*&^#^#&@^$&)(* <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Explorer_97 at 12:37 AM 3/11/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
03-10-2005, 09:37 PM
didnt know a hemi dakota existed

Chris_Doane
03-10-2005, 10:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">didnt know a hemi dakota existed </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hah...oops...typo. Well thats what I get for typing when Im angry. That and DCX has me so programmed now to think everything has a hemi!

Dodger
03-12-2005, 02:59 PM
I think the new Jeeps have fairly good build quality. My family got a Liberty as soon as they came out and it has been trouble free. We get about 17.5 mpg average with the 3.7L. You shouldn't worry about that too much thought since you said you wanted the CRD right? That engine does add quite a bit to the bottom line though. Come to think of it, we have had five Libertys in the family before- two of my cousins, two of my uncles and my mom. They all seem to like them. (We just have four in the family right now, my one uncle traded his in for a used X5)

Chris_Doane
03-13-2005, 06:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the new Jeeps have fairly good build quality. My family got a Liberty as soon as they came out and it has been trouble free. We get about 17.5 mpg average with the 3.7L. You shouldn't worry about that too much thought since you said you wanted the CRD right? That engine does add quite a bit to the bottom line though. Come to think of it, we have had five Libertys in the family before- two of my cousins, two of my uncles and my mom. They all seem to like them. (We just have four in the family right now, my one uncle traded his in for a used X5)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well after still more research, it looks like the build quality/reliability of the Liberty would be OK. Hah now its just the MPG that isnt great. I originally thought the CRD model would take care of that, but I see now that the national average for diesel is about 20 cents more than regular. <p><A HREF="http://www.fuelgaugereport.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fuelgaugereport.com</A>/<p>Also, I was real surprised to notice that ABS isn't a standard feature (wtf??) Im definitely starting to get a "damned if I do, damned if I dont" feeling about getting a new car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
03-14-2005, 12:36 PM
Out of curiosity, have you considered a small pickup trucK?<p>Still probably not the best MPG, but it will free up the options.

Superfresa
03-14-2005, 06:59 PM
I wonder what You think of my suggestion to get a Forester or a freelander...

Chris_Doane
03-14-2005, 09:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder what You think of my suggestion to get a Forester or a freelander...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well I cant see myself in a forester and the Freelander seems to have some serious reliability issues. I drove a Liberty, Rav4 and CRV today. The Honda guy was a total douche after driving it for 5 mins and talking for another 5 mins he's pulling the "OK whats stopping you from buying this car right now"<p>Wtf the I just walked in?<p>Anyhow I really liked the Liberty, the Rav4 was not bad and the Honda wasn't great. Plus the douche just soured the whole experience.

Chris_Doane
03-14-2005, 09:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Out of curiosity, have you considered a small pickup trucK?<p>Still probably not the best MPG, but it will free up the options.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well I really like the Tacoma double cab. Not exactly small though. Basically the same MPG as the Liberty, but I can get a much better price on the Liberty than the Tacoma.

bucket
03-16-2005, 05:12 AM
if you like on-road comfort, don't bother with a liberty. i dated a woman who drove one and i dreaded riding in the thing for any significant amount of time. the seats have a negligible level of adjustability, so i was never quite able to find a comfortable seating position. in addition to that, the suspension was quite harsh.<p>did i mention that she (we) rolled the first one she had over when it was 3 days old? in this case, it was only a minor swerve on the highway that did it. they're pretty top heavy and have tons of body roll.<p>as for the bland cherokee, i haven't driven the new one so i'll keep my superficial opinions to myself.