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velsatis
02-25-2005, 06:28 AM
Sorry for the ignorance, but I don't get why these cars sell so much in the U.S.A.<br>They are enormous<br>They have that big back, which I don't beliave it is really necessary (at least for all the people that buy them)<br>They have big V8's that spend much gas making them both more expensive to suport and more ecologicly damaging<p>Thank you for the reply/ies <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Regards

MontrealMustang
02-25-2005, 07:30 AM
The reason for truck's popularity is that they used to be fairly cheap and extemely durable. I say "used to" because that's all changed and you have to look at the truck's popularity in terms of <I>Before SUV's</I> and <I>After SUV's</I><p>Before SUV's a truck, even a big one, could be bought for less than most compact cars. They came with almost no standard equipment and a list of options so big that you could get pretty much anything. Didn't want a radio? Fine, there's a radio delete option. Wanted a heavy duty vinyl interior? Just check the box on the option list. Wanted a 7.4 liter V8 with a manual transmission? Go for it. Wanted a small 6 cylinder engine that would give you good gas mileage? It was there. Also, anyone with a little bit of mechanical know-how could fix their trucks themselves. It wasn't odd to see 25 year old trucks still being used for farm work. <p>Today, after SUV's, all that has radically changed. Trucks are like cars. They still have a lot of options, but more often than not they come already fully equipped and with the price tag to match. Gone are the days when you could buy a cheap new truck to work around your land. The new F150, for example, doesn't even include a manual transmission. Which means that it's 1,500$ more expensive than it could be. There's also the question about reliability. I have my doubts that we'll be seeing most of these trucks on the road in 20 years. All that luxury equiment is going to conk out long before that. Also, with all the new electronic mechanical gadgets (I'm specifically talking about electronically controlled automatic transmissions) I doubt that regular people will be able to fix them when they break.<p>But why do people buy them? Well, before SUV's people bought them to work around with or as a kind of big kid's toy to hot-rod. They were cheap enough to be bought as a second car. Today, that's all changed, trucks have become too expensive for your average guy to buy on a whim. The people who buy them are insecure suburban dwellers who want to look a lot tougher and cooler than they are. What's kind of funny though is that these people demand that their trucks be more like cars, so they end up with these wimpy vehicles that are too carlike to be real trucks and too trucklike to be good cars. The market's gonna eventually collapse with trucks because the companies are chasing away all the loyal truck enthusiasts to to try and get car buyers to switch. When the next fad comes along they'll be left with vehicules that no one wants. You just wait and see.

Santeno
02-25-2005, 07:57 AM
I think mustang is being a little fatalistic. while it is true that a large number of pick-ups are purchased by "life style" buyers who spend large sums of money preparing them for that drive through the local mcdonalds drive through, there is a far greater number of folks who actually iuse them for both work and transportation. Not all pick ups sell with 8 cylinder engines. as a matter of fact a great many of them sell with 6 cylinder engines. also pick-ups sell in great numbers to fleets such as utility companies, government, and conversion companies who turn them into specialized vehicvles for different industries.

CarMattZu777
02-25-2005, 03:39 PM
What I dont get is how Europeans live without them. I mean I know i'll probably sound like a "dirty slob American," but how do you get loads of things from place to place in a tiny little Renault?? Or like if you have kids? And their backpacks and sports or band stuff and groceries and all the other stuff life brings along? It seems like it would be so difficult in a tiny car, but thats just how I see it.

MontrealMustang
02-25-2005, 04:43 PM
I can answer that!<p>A small car, like a Suzuki Swift, has amazing cargo capacity with the seats folded down. As for how to get a gaggle of kids from one place to another? Make two trips! Besides, there's a lot less room in a pickup than in a Swift. A pickup holds three people tops (albeit that more will fit in it with an extended cab)<p>However, for the most part, you can get by fairly ingeniously with a small car. I've owned big trucks and small cars and apart from very big objects like stoves and refrigerators, I've been able to carry anything in my Swift that I could in my old F150. Water Heaters, Desks, TV's, Boxes, Boxes, Boxes, Band equipment, you name it, I made it fit. Sometimes you had to remove the passenger side seat, but I got it in there. Never had any trouble going up and down hills, not bad for a 55hp 3 cylinder engine.

KebabGud
02-25-2005, 04:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I dont get is how Europeans live without them. I mean I know i'll probably sound like a "dirty slob American," but how do you get loads of things from place to place in a tiny little Renault?? Or like if you have kids? And their backpacks and sports or band stuff and and all the other stuff life brings along? It seems like it would be so difficult in a tiny car, but thats just how I see it.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>never had a problem with stuff like that .. <br>first off... how often do you hane your car/truck full of backpacks, "sports or band stuff" and groceries all at the same time?<br>and i realy dont know any kids that are driven from home to school and back everyday.. (or even once a week)<br>wee just dont have the urge to transport uslet things like you do..<br>and we like closer together (more schools closer to the places people live)<br>and more/better public transportation..<br>where i live there is not that many "tiny little Renault". But stationwagons om my!<br>if you have a family with 2 or more kids.. you must have a stationwagon.. thats almost a law.. then.. the older the kids get.. the less space the family car has (Stationwagon to Sedan to coupe (midlife crisis))<br>most americans belive that Europeans only drive tiny french cars..<br>that might be true in france.. its not true for the rest.. (eksept Italy.. try to drive in Rome with a SUV.. i dare you! :P )<p>

knicks125
02-25-2005, 05:54 PM
yeah...you don't need a pick up truck to carry stuff or even move/relocate, even a SUV is not necessary<p>As an owner of a coupe and also a sedan, there are plenty of space to move around my stuff, by folding down the back seats create even more space. So in short, I've never had any trouble moving stuff around in my cars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and you can defn. live without a pickup truck or a SUV <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
02-25-2005, 06:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I dont get is how Europeans live without them. I mean I know i'll probably sound like a "dirty slob American," but how do you get loads of things from place to place in a tiny little Renault?? Or like if you have kids? And their backpacks and sports or band stuff and groceries and all the other stuff life brings along? It seems like it would be so difficult in a tiny car, but thats just how I see it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What I don't get is why Americans think they need big trucks with big engines and 4WD. The most that most Americans need is AWD, considering that most people never go off-road; in turn, most people don't need 8 inches of ground clearance-- the excuse "I need a better view, which can be achieved by a higher vehicle" has been killed thanks to "command seating". Also, most Americans don't tow, therefore most Americans don't need big, torquey engines that drain wallets at gas pumps.<p>We have proof of small cars with the the capabilities of carrying people and hauling things in America already. It's called the Scion xB. It fits in all garages and parking spaces, has excellent fuel economy, and provides plenty of passenger and cargo room. It even provides a relatively high seating position!

toontoy
02-25-2005, 06:11 PM
First of all you can get pick up trucks in 4 cyl, 5 cyl, 6 cyl and many other options including diesel. Many times you can get better mileage with these trucks than many cars. Myself living in a huge country with a very sparse population it is very nice to have the utility of a pick up truck, instead of opening the hatch, folding down the seats and shoving things inside and having no room for passengers I can throw things right in the box and just hop in and go, still having room for 4 passengers and still get 30 mpg. And when hauling my quad or snowmobile i do not want to have a trailer all the time. When I haul around some garbage to the landfill I cannot very well open the hyundai accent and pile it all in there, but with my pick up I can toss it in the box, haul i down and then just hose it out. Utility is the key in wide open country, I don't understand how pick ups do not sell better in Europe.

Cozz
02-25-2005, 07:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think mustang is being a little fatalistic. while it is true that a large number of pick-ups are purchased by "life style" buyers who spend large sums of money preparing them for that drive through the local mcdonalds drive through, there is a far greater number of folks who actually iuse them for both work and transportation. <b>Not all pick ups sell with 8 cylinder engines. as a matter of fact a great many of them sell with 6 cylinder engines. </b> also pick-ups sell in great numbers to fleets such as utility companies, government, and conversion companies who turn them into specialized vehicvles for different industries.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hate to say it Santeno but only 1 out of 10 pick-ups are not a V8. I worked on a manual tranny F150 and we were shocked that it had a 6 cylinder in it. Out of all the Dodge trucks that go through the shop, it's amazing how many have the Hemi emblem on the side. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
02-25-2005, 07:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>toontoy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First of all you can get pick up trucks in 4 cyl, 5 cyl, 6 cyl and many other options including diesel. Many times you can get better mileage with these trucks than many cars. Myself living in a huge country with a very sparse population it is very nice to have the utility of a pick up truck, instead of opening the hatch, folding down the seats and shoving things inside and having no room for passengers I can throw things right in the box and just hop in and go, still having room for 4 passengers and still get 30 mpg. And when hauling my quad or snowmobile i do not want to have a trailer all the time. When I haul around some garbage to the landfill I cannot very well open the hyundai accent and pile it all in there, but with my pick up I can toss it in the box, haul i down and then just hose it out. Utility is the key in wide open country, I don't understand how pick ups do not sell better in Europe.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Pickups are avaliable with 4-cylinders becoming less common in America (I think only Toyota offers a 4-cylinder pickup now), and American diesel is (for now) high-sulfur.<p>Keep in mind that most people don't use pickups the way you do-- most people, it seems, use their pickups to compensate for a scarcity of something down under (or, in some cases, a lack of one). Most Americans basically use pickups and SUVs as minivans. Especially when you consider how easy it is to convert a minivan from passenger mode to cargo mode as of lately (as well as how many minivans have more interior volume than a Ford Excursion), it's clearly a better alternative to a lot of truck and SUV owners.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by chibi ichigo at 7:15 PM 2/25/2005</i>

toontoy
02-25-2005, 08:25 PM
I agree there are lot of people who do not need a truck in North America. But they suit the lifestyle up here, hard to tow a boat and gear with most vans. Suv's are an overkill for the most part and most of the population could get away with a car based AWD vehicle. But it is the fact that you want your vehicle to be able to do anything that makes the pick up truck so popular.

hokman
02-25-2005, 09:59 PM
Simple answer: 99% people who lives in North America works at construction site, plumbing, carpenter or other blue collar work. Or wants people to think they do. I mean, i've seen 99 year old woman drive them? I mean it would be pretty ridiculous to see these tanks running around town, but then seeing a 99 year old woman come out?!<p>Ahh, I get it now, the old woman needs it to scare off other motorists and look DOwn upon them... They need it to look tough, well until the point when people see who's actually driving it.

anonms
02-25-2005, 10:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>toontoy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree there are lot of people who do not need a truck in North America. But they suit the lifestyle up here, hard to tow a boat and gear with most vans. Suv's are an overkill for the most part and most of the population could get away with a car based AWD vehicle. But it is the fact that you want your vehicle to be able to do anything that makes the pick up truck so popular.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The problem is that the wants are ridiculous. People think that they will need to tow or go off road or haul lots of heavy/dirty things. But the problem with this brainwashing is that people don't consider the affects that pursuing their wants can leed to. Cars are lower than trucks, which leads to bumper overriding in the situation of a collision. Then there's the fuel economy, which not only drains the wallet and bank account of the truck owner but also drains the country's petroleum supply more intensively than cars do (ever wonder why the "Coalition of the Willing" found not WMDs or bioterror agents but PETROLEUM). Furthermore, lots of pickups just don't fit in modern parking spaces and end up taking up 1.5 spaces and protruding into the road.<p>I'm glad that there are still people who use pickups the way they were originally intended to be used. Unfortunately, such people are such rarities in the US.

hokman
02-26-2005, 01:27 AM
What were they originally intended to be used, and how are they used now?

Nick
02-26-2005, 01:57 AM
To be honest, there barely comes a time when I used my truck for what its meant for...that being said, I can't really use my truck for anything anyways, not only is it slammed to the ground, but I also have a roll pan which kind of gets rid of the hitch so I can't tow anything without getting an adapter anyways...I have my truck mainly for looks, it's a custom truck, it wasn't bought to tow around crap or haul sh*t in the back...I guess thats what we have the suburban for, which does the job just fine...there have come times when I have needed to use my truck for utilitarian purposes, like when i needed to haul a bunch of concrete bags back to the house, or the time I helped out a neighbor who ordered up a couch and needed it to be picked up, but he didnt have a truck to put it in, now of course, the couch event happened before i got the tonneau cover, so i really wouldnt be able to help him out now...but the point is, most people who buy trucks aren't always gonna use them for what they are meant for...That goes especially for people in so-cal...Customizing cars is a big thing out here, more-so probably than anywhere else in the world. I mean, I have seen guys who have lifted their trucks to the sky and they have not once ever driven off road...pointless? maybe so, but it's a look and if thats what they want then so be it...I am part of the low-rider crowd, while it may totally defeat the purpose of a pickup, it's a look, and thats what I go for...If i have a vehicel, I want it to make a statement and express who I am, living in so-cal allows me to do that, but i can understand in some places where trucks are a necessity that that might not be the case...I mean, hell, I only have a single cab pickup, so I can't even bring too many people around with me, I have managed to cram 5 people in it before, but it wont even be able to fit 3 pretty soon being that I am getting some custom seats put in...probably a couple corbeaus...but anyways, thats just my take on it, as for anyone else, well thats their opinion...

knicks125
02-26-2005, 07:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>toontoy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree there are lot of people who do not need a truck in North America. But they suit the lifestyle up here, hard to tow a boat and gear with most vans. Suv's are an overkill for the most part and most of the population could get away with a car based AWD vehicle. But it is the fact that you want your vehicle to be able to do anything that makes the pick up truck so popular.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><B>it is possible to tow a boat/jetski or some other crap on a van/suv, or even a car, I've done it before on my car, wasn't a problem at all <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </B><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Simple answer: 99% people who lives in North America works at construction site, plumbing, carpenter or other blue collar work. Or wants people to think they do. I mean, i've seen 99 year old woman drive them? I mean it would be pretty ridiculous to see these tanks running around town, but then seeing a 99 year old woman come out?!<p>Ahh, I get it now, the old woman needs it to scare off other motorists and look DOwn upon them... They need it to look tough, well until the point when people see who's actually driving it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><B>what are you talking about? are you trying to be funny/sacrastic or something? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </B>

Krypton
02-26-2005, 09:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Simple answer: 99% people who lives in North America works at construction site, plumbing, carpenter or other blue collar work. Or wants people to think they do. .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Since when does 99% of people work as blue collars, i can look outside my house right now and not see one of them, The amount of blue collar workers in my town are maybe 5% maximum. Maybe in the midwest it may be more like 40-50% but there is no place in Amercia where 99% of people are blue collar workers, now i see that your from Canada and IVe only seen a bit of it and even those people were not blue colar workers

knicks125
02-26-2005, 09:20 AM
perhaps hokman was trying to be sacrastic but his post makes no sense whatsoever, and it wasn't funny at all if that was his intention <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 10:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Simple answer: 99% people who lives in North America works at construction site, plumbing, carpenter or other blue collar work. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I mean, i've seen 99 year old woman drive them? I mean it would be pretty ridiculous to see these tanks running around town, but then seeing a 99 year old woman come out?!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>these 2 points shine brightly from an already excellent post, I salute you; please feel free to post much more like this as your judgements echo the truth of God <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
02-26-2005, 04:27 PM
I guess its all just a matter of lifestlye. We shouldnt get so fiesty over a topic such as this. Some people out side the US can live without them easily, thats great, happy for you. But for many in the Us, its tough. I assure you we could not live without a pickup/SUV/minivan. In my family we have 4 kids, all boys, all of our stuff being picked up (backpacks, band instruments, projects, things of that sort), then we may need to stop at the grocery store, or pick up things for our family business. We thought our Isuzu Ascender SUV would provide enough space, but really, we could use more. And as in most of suburban America, most things are not within a mile or two as in more crowded areas of Europe. School is 5 miles, mall is 15 miles, work is 30 miles. But that is just our case, but before you live an American family lifestyle, dont be so quick to judge.

anonms
02-26-2005, 05:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> And as in most of suburban America, most things are not within a mile or two as in more crowded areas of Europe. School is 5 miles, mall is 15 miles, work is 30 miles. But that is just our case, but before you live an American family lifestyle, dont be so quick to judge.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I life in Fremont, California. The area I live in is not urban or industrial at all. Practically everyone can get by without pickup trucks (which are not very common in the Mission area, where I live). Most students get by on BICYCLES.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I assure you we could not live without a pickup/SUV/minivan. In my family we have 4 kids, all boys, all of our stuff being picked up (backpacks, band instruments, projects, things of that sort), then we may need to stop at the grocery store, or pick up things for our family business.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Unfortunately, most people choose pickups out of those three and shun the better alternative for most families, the minivan!

hokman
02-26-2005, 10:58 PM
At least Naga Royal Guard sees what I'm seeing on the road. <p>And I'm very serious about that old woman. I really admit how strong the old woman is to work the pickup's bus steering and vitorian gear switch gearbox. I especially wonder how she got onto the vechicle in the first place. But I think it's worth the hard work just so she can look DOwn at other motorists in lower transportations. Today, I see another 70 something year old woman drive a huge off roader, looking very menacing. Even I was scared.<p>Actually here in Canada, 99% is blue collar. I especially hate my neighbour who is a construction site worker. He has a 10 metre long pick up, and always making the street untidy. When it's parked, half of the vechicle is stuck out to the street. Now even worse, he bought yet a larger pickup for 60000 and has no where to put it(and also no use for it). Moreover, that blue collar worker has other blue collar friends that have yet more pick ups and other industrial vechicles. Now our whole street is littered with tanks. We can't complain, because they are tough and crude men.<p>I'm really fed up by these blue collar people.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hokman at 10:07 PM 2/26/2005</i>

knicks125
02-27-2005, 07:57 AM
Naga was being scarastic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>at least that's what he does best <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

toontoy
02-27-2005, 09:25 AM
"Fed up with blue collar people"...that is probably one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. It does seem funny to me that you think this blue collar worker dropped $60,000 on a truck that he does not even need. Pick up trucks will rule the road foe a very long time due to their toughness and versatility. A massive portion of Canada's population does not live in urban centres and since most of the people on here seem to be in urban centres of course you will only see these big trucks in the city...that is where you are so you are not going to see them in places you are not. Take a jaunt out into smaller communities or more rural settings and you will see the million uses that a pick up has over anything else.

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 10:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Naga was being scarastic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>at least that's what he does best <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>no really, he needs to get this out, the people MUST hear it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Actually here in Canada, 99% is blue collar.<b> I especially hate my neighbour who is a construction site worker. </b> He has a 10 metre long pick up, and always making the street untidy. When it's parked, half of the vechicle is stuck out to the street. Now even worse, he bought yet a larger pickup for 60000 and has no where to put it(and also no use for it). Moreover, that blue collar worker has other blue collar friends that have yet more pick ups and other industrial vechicles. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Now our whole street is littered with tanks. We can't complain, because they are tough and crude men.<p><b>I'm really fed up by these blue collar people.</b></TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 12:13 PM 2/27/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 10:09 AM
and now I will answer the question: why do people like trucks so much ( in north america)<p>Trucks are pretty popular with young people, they are FUN vehicles; you can just throw your gear in the back, if you run out of cab seating make the remaining passengers sit in the back and off you go. Except for the largest HD models, trucks are relatively lightweight and w/ a modest load at around speed limits, they dont consume an exorbant amount of gas. <p>Also, that lightweight and relatively powerful engine make for some really fun antics, i used to drive a truck and mall parking lots were never better. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-27-2005, 02:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no really, he needs to get this out, the people MUST hear it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>no he doesn't. People don't need to hear his ignorant, shallow, insenstive nonsense bullcrap...he needs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> , badly<p>wake up buddy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

hokman
02-28-2005, 01:04 AM
Yea, someone can help me by driving a tank here and tow away the litter from our street.<br>Thanks.

MontrealMustang
02-28-2005, 07:58 AM
Blue collar people can afford 60,000$ for a truck??? Whoa... I'd love to live where some factory worker makes that kind of dough. Around here people drive Cavaliers and Sunfires because they're only 11,000$ (on special). Otherwise, most of them would be walking or driving older cars.

Santeno
02-28-2005, 09:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hate to say it Santeno but only 1 out of 10 pick-ups are not a V8. I worked on a manual tranny F150 and we were shocked that it had a 6 cylinder in it. Out of all the Dodge trucks that go through the shop, it's amazing how many have the Hemi emblem on the side. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>True if you are talking exclusively about full size pick-ups, but that is not what the thread is about, he only asked about pick-ups in general. Midsize pick-ups (which are quite large as well) sell in very large volumes as well, and those are mainly powered by 6 cyls.

Santeno
02-28-2005, 09:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm really fed up by these blue collar people.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Hokman, keep this elitist horse-hockey off the forum.

fubar
02-28-2005, 01:03 PM
Has anyone touched on commercial sales helping contribute to the figure? I see fleets upon fleets of F150s and other trucks purchased for commercial business. Take CalTrans or the Dept of Forestry for instance.

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 01:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no he doesn't. People don't need to hear his ignorant, shallow, insenstive nonsense bullcrap...he needs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> , badly<p>wake up buddy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>im afraid i must insist that he go say these things to everyone who drives a truck, all those " blue collar" people he is so vastly fond of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

toontoy
02-28-2005, 06:47 PM
I never thought of the fleet sales, that would contribute a huge chunk to sales.

knicks125
02-28-2005, 06:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>im afraid i must insist that he go say these things to everyone who drives a truck, all those " blue collar" people he is so vastly fond of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i must insist he doesn't <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
02-28-2005, 08:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and now I will answer the question: why do people like trucks so much ( in north america)<p>Trucks are pretty popular with young people, they are FUN vehicles; you can just throw your gear in the back, if you run out of cab seating make the remaining passengers sit in the back and off you go. Except for the largest HD models, trucks are relatively lightweight and w/ a modest load at around speed limits, they dont consume an exorbant amount of gas. <p>Also, that lightweight and relatively powerful engine make for some really fun antics, i used to drive a truck and mall parking lots were never better. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, pickups are fun. Especially at the gas pump. And the insurance rates just add up to more fun!<p>Where I live, young people like Bimmers, Civics, STis, Evos, and Scions. I live in a dominantly Chinese area, so that might prove to be some explaination.

velsatis
03-04-2005, 08:38 AM
First of all let me thank you all for your explanations altough some of them are kind of dumb but ok... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Well after all the reading I still don't get it, need space you have lots of people movers or SW that do the deal and they aren't so big and ecologickly damaging.<br>My impression is that you just like them, nothing else, ok except for those that really need them for work but still...with a V6???or a V8??? we also have pick-up's and other kind of cars for "heavy duties" but they are more simple, after all they are cars for work so why to have such a big piece of junk that spend's I don't know how many gallons of fuel and as room....that you barely use...<br>I guess that if bush had kept U.S.A's word on the Kyoto agreement these cars would start <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> but ok<br>Regarding the critics to the European cars, not because Im European but I think they are more practical and less....well whatever.<br>I respect Americans "love" for the big cars, but If you think in a reasonable way Im sure you will see that all this size doesn't make sence, but I guess thats just my opinion and being so I respect yours <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Regards

CarMattZu777
03-04-2005, 09:00 PM
Have you ever been to America? Its just a different place and a different way of life. It is totally unlike Europe unless you live in a crowded city like New York. School is 5 miles away, shopping is 10, work is 30 miles, and other things in between. Also, Amerrica is a much larger country, in your case of Portugal, take about 100 to 150 Portugals, and you have America. Things are farther away, and you spend much more time in your vehicle than Europeans, especially if travelling on vacations. If you are spending alot of time in your car, you would rather have more space and more capability, especially families with children and active lives. In America, the automobile has become an extension of the home. In my mother or fathers case, between work, errands, shuttling children to school, activites, and recreation, shopping, delivering, and other activities in the car, they spend 2 hours or more every day in the car. A car can cost almost as much as some peoples houses as well, because they are that vital to our way of life. I know some people who have $100,000 homes yet drive 2 $40,000-50,000. cars. And yet again, peoples way of life is going to be different around the world, if there was no variety, it just wouldn't be as interesting.

mzoltarp
03-06-2005, 07:21 AM
I love the "ecologically damaging" line. With emissions technology the way it is today, vehicles are NOT the big culprit if ecological damage is the worry. Try heavy industry. Try diesel emissions from heavy trucks. The fact is that if Europeans had gas prices at $2.50 a gallon, they would drive cars that consumed more gas. If Europeans had the open spaces that the United States has they may also be lured by larger vehicles. The point is is that people drive what they want to drive and pointing the finger at each other and saying "you drive a pickup so you're causing ecological damage" is a strange thing to do. If someone wants to save the world by driving a Prius, go for it I say. I refuse to be so magnanimous. The Prius is a dead slow, ugly, overpriced car. The Accord hybrid makes more sense and I'm sure a 4 cylinder hybrid is coming. It also does not take rocket science to predict that US manufacturers are designing hybrid pickups. Cars are not appliances. They are machines that we should enjoy driving. If I enjoy driving a pickup that gets 15mpg, I have the right to do so and I would hope that I have the grace not to moan about gas prices. My next car will be an 06 Mustang V8 which is hardly an economy car. It's all in what a person wants.<p>Pickups make sense in the USA. We live in suburbs. We have yards that we garden in. We like home renovation projects. We like boats, motorcycles, and quads. In short we need a vehicle that can assist us in these ventures.

Santeno
03-07-2005, 08:24 AM
So velsatis, what was the purpose of this thread? it sounds like you already had your mind made up and were onlyv looking for an excuse to talk BS about the US. If you have something intelligent to say, please do so.

JBlair
03-07-2005, 09:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I guess that if bush had kept U.S.A's word on the Kyoto agreement these cars would start <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> but ok<br>Regarding the critics to the European cars, not because Im European but I think they are more practical and less....well whatever.<br>I respect Americans "love" for the big cars, but If you think in a reasonable way Im sure you will see that all this size doesn't make sence, but I guess thats just my opinion and being so I respect yours <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Regards</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Bush pulled out of the Kyoto treaty because it was a haphazard piece of legislation that didn't think everything through and did not take into account other industries and sources of pollution. All he wanted was a more well-rounded piece of legislation that would be fair to everybody (IIRC, china's growing industry wasn't included in it). And as far as thinking in a reasonable way; for Americans who do live in wide open spaces and do have dirt to haul and stuff like that, pick-ups are reasonable. If you go down south, almost all of the industry is agricultural where pick-ups are almost a requirement. The reason why european cars are smaller is because european roads can't necessarily fit massive pick-ups (especially in urban areas, which most of europe is), so smaller cars are called for. Most of your arguments are moot Velsatis, it just seems like you wanted to take a pot-shot at American's taste for vehicles that actually serve a purpose.

Naga Royal Guard
03-07-2005, 09:34 AM
good job mindreading somebody