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Cozz
02-23-2005, 08:16 PM
Let's do some quick math...<p><b>RX330 AWD</b> EPA-estimated ratings: 18 city/24 highway mpg.<p><b>RX330h AWD</b> EPA-estimated ratings: 28 city/30 highway mpg.<br>The RX330h has a $3500 premium over RX330 with the same options<p>So....<p><b>RX330 AWD</b> on 12,000 miles per year (50%/50%)<br>City: 333 Gallons per year <br>Highway:250 Gallons per year, Total Gallons per year :583 <p><b>RX330h AWD</b> on 12,000 miles per year (50%/50%)<br>City: 214 Gallons per year <br>Highway:200 Gallons per year, Total Gallons per year :414<p><br>583 Gallons per year x 1.80 regular gas = $1049 Per Year<br>414 Gallons per year x 1.80 regular gas = $745.2 Per Year<p>$1049-$745.2= $304 in savings per year!<p>At a $3500 premium over the RX330 it will take over 11 years to see in being worth it. What's you opinion?

zwei Biere bitte
02-23-2005, 08:25 PM
IMO, it's way overpriced. Not only would I much rather have a E320 CDI if I had the money(Only about $1K more than base version), I think if I had to get a hybrid, I would get the Accord Hybrid. Just seems like a better deal and faster!

pcread
02-24-2005, 04:35 AM
clever marketing ploy though. All those Hollywood stars driving hybrids now have a luxury model to choose. DiCaprio and Diaz will be down the Lexus dealer, trading in their Prius... and the sheep will follow.

knicks125
02-24-2005, 07:35 AM
Is the Lexus RX330h worth the price?<p>Not really...backed up by Cozz's great post <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>well the better question should be, are any hybrids worth price?

anonms
02-24-2005, 08:04 AM
When you consider than the performance also increases, I'd say the premium is worth it from this perspectice. It's like upgrading to a more powerful V6 or a weak V8 without decreased fuel economy.

KebabGud
02-24-2005, 09:20 AM
did not know that there was a RX330h ..<br>i have herad about a RX400h .. but not a RX330h ..<br>

knicks125
02-24-2005, 09:27 AM
it's essentially the same car except one's hybrid and the other's not so it's not really politcally incorrect to call it 330h <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-24-2005, 11:07 AM
cozz bein sarcastic again :)

scorpio14
02-24-2005, 03:14 PM
Hold up....how much is the RX400h...i know u'll give it to me in $US...but im from Australia so it doesnt help...so can u tell me another car the has the same price as the RX400h...and id available in Australia... then i can work out how much it is in $AU... <p>Also Cozz i can c u've doen some nice maths there... but again it doesnt help me understand anything coz in Australia we talk differently (im sure u know what i mean)...but i'll take your..and everyone else word fa it (whether its worth the price)

Santeno
02-24-2005, 03:20 PM
scorpio, prices between countries don't normally cprrespond to currency rates. figure out the percentage difference between the RX330 and the RX400H. The apply the same percentage difference to the price of the RX330 sold in australia and you should be somewhere in the ballpark.

KebabGud
02-24-2005, 03:26 PM
the 400h might be cheaper her i norway if the law is changed .. <br>(a law that might cut the price of hybrids as mutch as 20% )<br>

scorpio14
02-24-2005, 04:06 PM
I cant believe i didnt think of that....thanks...<p>Well i finished school 4months ago...so i've forgotten everything...even the basics...<p>Well after doin the maths i get $AU 91,000...thats cheap IMO....u getta X5 4.4i for $AU 111,000 and the X5 4.8is for $AU 157,300....the 4.8is does 0-100Km/h in 7secs..which means if the RX400h does it in 7.3secs....its a good buy...<p> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scorpio14 at 3:36 PM 2/24/2005</i>

Dal
02-24-2005, 04:08 PM
its not all about the price, its about saving on natural resources

Flagship
02-24-2005, 04:40 PM
Even though the RX400h is a hybrid it is not worth it. Cozz makes a good point, you only save about $300 a year. The only good thing is the $2,000 to $5,000 the US government gives you for buying a hybrid.

scorpio14
02-24-2005, 04:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its not all about the price, its about saving on natural resources</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats true... i forgot about that... im abit confused... i thought buying a Hybrid helps save on natural resources??<p>i guess the RX400h will try to win over pplz that are lookin at buying V8 powered X5's, ML etc etc... coz theyll be saving money as the V8 models (i think) cost more then this car... fuel economy is much better for the RX400h... and it also performance just as good as a V8...<p>Arent the RX330 and RX400h targeting 2 different markets??<p>Anywayz im srsly over this topic... <p>

LEXUS FAN!
02-24-2005, 05:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Thats true... i forgot about that... im abit confused... i thought buying a Hybrid helps save on natural resources??<p>i guess the RX400h will try to win over pplz that are lookin at buying V8 powered X5's, ML etc etc... coz theyll be saving money as the V8 models (i think) cost more then this car... fuel economy is much better for the RX400h... and it also performance just as good as a V8...<p>Arent the RX330 and RX400h targeting 2 different markets??<p>Anywayz im srsly over this topic... <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The RX 330 and RX 400h are targeting different markets.<p>I think Lexus said they want the RX 400h to be thought of as another engine option in a way. Like it was a V8.<p>If Lexus made it a V8, you guys would not be saying the same thing. If it wasd the RX 470, you people would think it was a good deal, but for some reason, you guys think it is overpriced. <p>You get V8 performance with I4 fuel economy. <p>

JBlair
02-24-2005, 05:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The RX 330 and RX 400h are targeting different markets.<p>I think Lexus said they want the RX 400h to be thought of as another engine option in a way. Like it was a V8.<p>If Lexus made it a V8, you guys would not be saying the same thing. If it wasd the RX 470, you people would think it was a good deal, but for some reason, you guys think it is overpriced. <p>You get V8 performance with I4 fuel economy. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sort of, but why wouldn't lexus just try to make a high-power V6 with really good fuel economy. Besides, they'll market this as a way to save fuel and money. (which isn't true of the last part). And also, knowing how innacurate those EPA ratings are, this thing won't be worth the extra cash for the fuel savings.

anonms
02-24-2005, 06:34 PM
From C/D's road test (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=9142&page_number=1):<br>"The Lexus uses hybrid technology to <B>expand both its performance and efficiency parameters</B>, not just to turn it into a model of miserly motoring."<br>"Lexus says the RX400h boasts 33-percent-better fuel-consumption performance, yet it outruns the RX330 to 60 mph by 0.9 second and whups it in the quarter-mile by 1.0 second."<br>"Naturally, this comes at a pricewhich works out to about four or five grand more than what an RX330 will run you. Thats a lot of gas, even at todays prices, but when you factor in the <B>extra performance</B>..., we think the car will find owners like cops find doughnuts."<br>"Highs: <B>Excellent compromise of performance and economy</B>."

JBlair
02-24-2005, 07:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chibi ichigo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From C/D's road test (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=9142&page_number=1):<br>"The Lexus uses hybrid technology to <B>expand both its performance and efficiency parameters</B>, not just to turn it into a model of miserly motoring."<br>"Lexus says the RX400h boasts 33-percent-better fuel-consumption performance, yet it outruns the RX330 to 60 mph by 0.9 second and whups it in the quarter-mile by 1.0 second."<br>"Naturally, this comes at a pricewhich works out to about four or five grand more than what an RX330 will run you. Thats a lot of gas, even at todays prices, but when you factor in the <B>extra performance</B>..., we think the car will find owners like cops find doughnuts."<br>"Highs: <B>Excellent compromise of performance and economy</B>."</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Funny how you didn't post the lows, don't you think? <br>They would probably read: <br>Lows: Economy not worth extra cash, Too expensive for what you get

anonms
02-24-2005, 08:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Funny how you didn't post the lows, don't you think? <br>They would probably read: <br>Lows: Economy not worth extra cash, Too expensive for what you get</TD></TR></TABLE><br>No, they only complained about the weight. Go see for your self. It's on page 2.

LEXUS FAN!
02-24-2005, 08:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Sort of, but why wouldn't lexus just try to make a high-power V6 with really good fuel economy. Besides, they'll market this as a way to save fuel and money. (which isn't true of the last part). And also, knowing how innacurate those EPA ratings are, this thing won't be worth the extra cash for the fuel savings. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>it is a high powered V6 with good fuel economy<p>we'll see how they market it, but i heard they are going to try to make it seem like another engine choice<p>no review has not complained about the price; i have heard a couple bring it up, but they were brushed away, promoting its performance and fuel economy

JBlair
02-26-2005, 11:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it is a high powered V6 with good fuel economy<p>we'll see how they market it, but i heard they are going to try to make it seem like another engine choice<p>no review has not complained about the price; i have heard a couple bring it up, but they were brushed away, promoting its performance and fuel economy</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I mean a real V6, no this hybrid crap. And there you go again with Fuel economy; didn't you say on the previous page that that isn't what the RX400h is all about?

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 11:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I mean a real V6, no this hybrid crap. And there you go again with Fuel economy; didn't you say on the previous page that that isn't what the RX400h is all about? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>it isn't all about the fuel economy...it's about performance too

JBlair
02-26-2005, 11:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it isn't all about the fuel economy...it's about performance too</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're right, considering that the fuel economy of the hybrid is almost the same as the fuel economy of the regular V6.

SV
02-26-2005, 01:01 PM
well, fuel economy is only a little better, but performance is improved over the regular RX so IMO the extra $3.5k is justified, more or less. i think it would have been smarter not to make all the options that are optional on the 330 standard on the 400h; then it wouldn't cost nearly $50,000.

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 12:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You're right, considering that the fuel economy of the hybrid is almost the same as the fuel economy of the regular V6.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>the regular is <br>18/24 mpg <p>and this one is <br>30/26 mpg<p>that's a significant difference considering a lot of driving is done in the city<br>

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 10:10 AM
with numbers like that, thats pretty bad; nobody drives entirely in the city either, they use public transit in most cases<p>toyota marketing can handle this one

JBlair
02-27-2005, 11:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the regular is <br>18/24 mpg <p>and this one is <br>30/26 mpg<p>that's a significant difference considering a lot of driving is done in the city</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If those are EPA numbers then they aren't accurate. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 11:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>If those are EPA numbers then they aren't accurate. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>who are you to say they are inaccurate?<p>and naga...for those who take public transportation don't have luxury cars anyways so it doesn't make a difference

JBlair
02-27-2005, 12:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">who are you to say they are inaccurate?<p>and naga...for those who take public transportation don't have luxury cars anyways so it doesn't make a difference</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Because the methods that the EPA uses to test fuel mileage are not accurate for hybrids. It has been that way since the very first hybrids went on sale. A lot of hybrid owners complain about the fuel economy, because although it is higher than a normal car's, it is lower than advertised.<br>Also,Spotseller told me that he heard from a Lexus dealer's general manager that the power burst from the hybrid system is only active for 7 seconds, and after that it only assists briefly. So basically, Lexus did program this for performance and not fuel economy which is odd for a Hybrid.

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 12:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>and naga...for those who take public transportation don't have luxury cars anyways so it doesn't make a difference</TD></TR></TABLE><p>what are you implying?

Cozz
02-27-2005, 02:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>who are you to say they are inaccurate?<p>and naga...for those who take public transportation don't have luxury cars anyways so it doesn't make a difference</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There are actual reports that owners complained about NOT getting the milege the EPA posted for the Toyota. Do some reasearch.<p>...and for the luxury car owner not using public transportation... this is a second quote for the dumbest quote for 2005. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
02-27-2005, 02:57 PM
whats the first dumbest quote

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 03:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Because the methods that the EPA uses to test fuel mileage are not accurate for hybrids. It has been that way since the very first hybrids went on sale. A lot of hybrid owners complain about the fuel economy, because although it is higher than a normal car's, it is lower than advertised.<br>Also,Spotseller told me that he heard from a Lexus dealer's general manager that the power burst from the hybrid system is only active for 7 seconds, and after that it only assists briefly. So basically, Lexus did program this for performance and not fuel economy which is odd for a Hybrid. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Even if it is lower, it is still better than the normal. And also, since it is using an electic motor too, it is not giving out as much harmful wastes as other cars. The world will run out of fossil fuels probably with 10-15 years and with hybrids, it is one step towards improving the environment. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>what are you implying?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>there's no implication involved...it is what it is.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>There are actual reports that owners complained about NOT getting the milege the EPA posted for the Toyota. Do some reasearch.<p>...and for the luxury car owner not using public transportation... this is a second quote for the dumbest quote for 2005. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>people who use public transporation generally do not have expensive cars b/c if they did they would want to show it off...at least that's how it is in LA.<p>And I have heard of those reports, and it is not all aobut the mpg too b/c it is saving fuel no matter what. Read what i wrote above in my replay to JBlair.<p>also...the RX is expensive b/c it is practically fully loaded...it has so many standard features...the regular RX fully loaded is $46,000, so just add a couple thousand and you have a hybrid w/ better fuel efficiency, so it is not that overpriced...it is only 3,000 more than the regular<p>I feel like a one man team where's Flagship GT and all the other lexus supporters.

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 03:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>...and for the luxury car owner not using public transportation... this is a second quote for the dumbest quote for 2005. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>the #1 goes to that person who was pretending to be his mom <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> whatever the crap about <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 03:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>the #1 goes to that person who was pretending to be his mom <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> whatever the crap about <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>i didn't think it was funny

knicks125
02-27-2005, 03:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>the #1 goes to that person who was pretending to be his mom <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> whatever the crap about <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>ther person doesn't have the guts to come back...i'll personally provide him/her a "CSS Tour" when the person does crawl his/her way back here

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 03:15 PM
i never said that person was funny, but the magnitude of stupidity truly was<p><br>and they are gone for good, banned <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
02-27-2005, 03:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>people who use public transporation generally do not have expensive cars b/c if they did they would want to show it off...at least that's how it is in LA.<p>.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How about the people commuting to the City every morning and dont feel like driving 2 hours every day in traffic. People going to New York is an example, the majority of workers in New York City dont live in the city but commute and a lot of those use buses becuase they are easier.

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 03:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>people who use public transporation generally do not have expensive cars b/c if they did they would want to show it off...at least that's how it is in LA.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>"thats how it is in LA" so you definately expected the rest of the country to be like that? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I feel like a one man team where's Flagship GT and all the other lexus supporters.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 03:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>"thats how it is in LA" so you definately expected the rest of the country to be like that? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>no, but i am speaking for LA...that's why i said that is how it is in LA b/c i don't know how it is in NY or other places<p>wasn't this topic about price? haha

knicks125
02-27-2005, 03:33 PM
since there are so many cars, traffic everywhere, no parking spaces, the tendency is for people to park by the train stations and commute into the city, and those cars can range from the cheapest to the most expensive, you'd never know what kind of car you'd see at a given station <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
02-27-2005, 03:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Even if it is lower, it is still better than the normal. And also, since it is using an electic motor too, it is not giving out as much harmful wastes as other cars. The world will run out of fossil fuels probably with 10-15 years and with hybrids, it is one step towards improving the environment. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>More wrong information. Accurate predictions of the availability of fossil fuels are hard to make because we just don't know. Ballparks at this time range from between 50-150 years. And you are forgetting that the RX's hybrid system isn't meant to save fuel or even cut down too greatly on emissions; it is programmed for performance. (moots your argument about emissions)<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>And I have heard of those reports, and it is not all aobut the mpg too b/c it is saving fuel no matter what. Read what i wrote above in my replay to JBlair.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>A few mpg isn't saving much because if you really use the car as a performance car like Lexus wants, your fuel economy would probably be worse than the normal car's.

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 04:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>More wrong information. Accurate predictions of the availability of fossil fuels are hard to make because we just don't know. Ballparks at this time range from between 50-150 years. And you are forgetting that the RX's hybrid system isn't meant to save fuel or even cut down too greatly on emissions; it is programmed for performance. (moots your argument about emissions)<p><br>A few mpg isn't saving much because if you really use the car as a performance car like Lexus wants, your fuel economy would probably be worse than the normal car's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have heard several sources site 10-15 years...I have never hears 150 years...the most i have heard is 60, so maybe your information is wrong. And even if it was 150, why should we start in 100. What is the problem with strating now?

JBlair
02-27-2005, 04:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I have heard several sources site 10-15 years...I have never hears 150 years...the most i have heard is 60, so maybe your information is wrong. And even if it was 150, why should we start in 100. What is the problem with strating now?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is no problem with starting now, but the oil supply is likely to never run out, as stated in a study by the government. <A HREF="http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/feature_articles/2004/worldoilsupply/oilsupply04.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil....html</A> Instead oil will become so incredibly expensive as to be unfeasible. Oil production could peak by as early as 2025, or as late as 2115. Like I said, they just don't know, but the physical oil supply won't run out. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by JBlair at 8:28 PM 2/27/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 06:43 PM
this is the best thread ever

Cozz
02-27-2005, 07:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats the first dumbest quote</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lexus fan...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lexus Fan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyways...they said that the performance division of lexus would be the "h"...it is like the ultimate lexus b/c they are hybrids...so<p><b>MB AMG = BMW M = LEXUS h</b><p></TD></TR></TABLE>

Krypton
02-27-2005, 08:16 PM
yup that does take the award

JBlair
02-27-2005, 08:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is the best thread ever</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yeah, sorry for f*ing it up, along with the help of Lexus Fan. Back on topic; taking everything into consideration, I don't think this is worth the extra cash.

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 08:26 PM
its ok, it was started to start Hell, and thats quite exactly what happened <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-27-2005, 08:41 PM
love that quote in your signature line there naga <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 09:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">love that quote in your signature line there naga <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks, it was quoted from quite a hell-raising individual <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2005, 10:21 PM
that AMG = M = h is what the newspaper said...it wasn't mine. I am not saying they are necessarily equivalent I am saying that those are the top of the lines from each division supposedly.

Cozz
03-01-2005, 05:27 AM
What newspaper was this? I may let you go for that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
03-01-2005, 04:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What newspaper was this? I may let you go for that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>LA TIMES<p>and again it didn't say that they were necessarily equivalent, but it was that they will be the top of the lines for all three manufacturers...it said and I quote<p>"Next year, the Lexus GS sedan will get a hybid powertrain, and very soon after that every one of the luxury division's products will be available as a hybid variant, with the "h superscript indicating a low-volume, high performance line, like BMW's M and Mercedes' AMG."

Santeno
03-02-2005, 08:23 AM
so are they saying that the hybrid models will be tuned for performance instead of fuel savings? greater performance for the same or lower fuel consumption?

LEXUS FAN!
03-02-2005, 09:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so are they saying that the hybrid models will be tuned for performance instead of fuel savings? greater performance for the same or lower fuel consumption?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i think it means it will be a best of both worlds type of thing where they find a great balance

anonms
03-02-2005, 09:37 PM
What Lexus Fan said.<p>The Prius'll stay a meiser-mobile while just about all other Toyota will be optimised for a balance between power and economy, which actually does help justify the price premium that fuel economy alone doesn't exactly justify.