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taskbearer
02-10-2005, 08:12 PM
that phrase was drawn from an autoexpress article which I quote below<p> <B>Quote</B> <br> Multiple engine options may soon disappear from spec lists. Manufacturers will fit all cars in a model range with the same capacity unit, but alter their power output using the ECU, claims Martin Illsley, director of research at technology company Accenture. The move could help to reduce production costs.<p><br>This is a pretty interesting trend and the germans are at the forefront of this movement<br>First off, the king of engine cost sharing MB that introduced the V8 derived 90degree V6 already has a 2.0CDi diesel engine in the A-class with different states of tune ranging from 82hp-140hp and their next generation V6 diesel is 3.0L ranging from 180hp-224hp.<p>BMW is also onto this game but on the petrol side. The new R6 comes in two states of tune one giving 218hp and the other 258hp. the joint venture engine with PSA has 1.6L generating 116hp with valvetronic, 88hp without , and 140hp turboed. the new twinturbo diesel engine is a higher performance version of their current 3.0L diesel.<p>Lets not forget the ubiquitous nissan VQ35 engine. that engine is just as common as water and definitely one of the backbones of nissan's cost cutting. its definitely the most widely used engine of anykind with numbers ranging from 245hp in the quest to 290hp in the Infinity G35 coupe.<p>This trend surely saves a lot of money and I think more carmakers would get in on the act.

Reppu
02-11-2005, 12:31 AM
This is nothing new. VW 1.9 TDI has come out with this outputs, if i recall well: 90, 100, 101, 110, 115, 130 & 150 hp. The hidden lie is that you pay maybe 1500 euros more for the higher output, forgetting that the manufacturing cost of the engines is THE SAME or only slightly different at best.

Santeno
02-11-2005, 08:10 AM
I can already see VW taking this to the extreme and making all it's cars golf based and with a 4 cylinder engine.

taskbearer
02-11-2005, 08:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is nothing new. VW 1.9 TDI has come out with this outputs, if i recall well: 90, 100, 101, 110, 115, 130 & 150 hp. The hidden lie is that you pay maybe 1500 euros more for the higher output, forgetting that the manufacturing cost of the engines is THE SAME or only slightly different at best. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Aargh, how could I have forgotten that 1.9TDI <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> VW did so well in fooling consumers. I remember reading in autocar sometime ago that only the 90-130hp versions were virtually the same, only the 150hp version had a slightly stiffer block and crank shaft.

Naga Royal Guard
02-12-2005, 07:23 AM
the same size engine, tuned for less hp - could potentially get better mileage; marketing could still be a problem tho, one way or the other lol

Dal
02-12-2005, 07:39 PM
hmm it would be hard trying to name the engines if they all have the same displacement,<p>they would have to name them:<p>BMW 330i 218bhp<br>BMW 330i 258bhp etc..<p>looks a bit odd to me

Naga Royal Guard
02-12-2005, 07:51 PM
they could go for the AMD scheme where they rate the processor based on " effective preformance" because they are superior in architecture to comparable Intel processors ( AMD has more floating point processes per cycle so it does more in one go opposed to intel chips)<p>so the 3.0L " low output" bmw 6 would be badged "325" since thats effectively how much hp it puts out<p>

taskbearer
02-14-2005, 01:29 PM
Got that right Naga, the low powered version is badged as 325i. The Mercedes <B>C</B> onfusing <B>B</B> adge <B>S</B> yndrome seems to be affecting every company that labels according to capacity now. MB55amg cars have actually 5.4Lengines, S600 is 5.8L, BMw 750i is 4.8L and the list goes on <B></B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Dal
02-14-2005, 05:15 PM
mb cars arent as confusin as bmw, atleast 5.4 is close to the numbers shown on the mb"55" amg cars, whereas if bmw have a 3.0 and name it 3"25" people are gona think the displacement is 2.5

KebabGud
02-14-2005, 06:30 PM
the early BMW E46 had a 1,9liter i both 316i and 318i .. 100hp and 118hp <br>(booring cars.. but they get the job done :P)

Naga Royal Guard
02-14-2005, 06:41 PM
i still cant imagine this happening too soon, maybe the <i>next</i> generation of powerplants for a few companies