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whipster
02-08-2005, 10:13 AM
Post your opinions. Here's mine:<p>1. Mazda RX-8<br>2. Heuliez Intruder<br>3. Mercedes CLS<br>4. Mercedes SLK<br>5. Nissan 350Z<p>These are cars that I'd love my dad to own, since I'm under-age<p>1. Opel Insignia<br>2. Porsche Cayenne<br>3. Lancia Thesis<br>4. BMW 5<br>5. Renault Vel Satis

chaserolls
02-08-2005, 02:13 PM
Mine:<br>1. maseratti quattroporte (for the fam)<br>2. Lotus Exige (for track)<br>3. porche carrera GT (for fun)<br>4. ferrari enzo (for fun)<br>4. mclaren f1 LM (for fun and investment)<br>5. Aston Martin Vanquish (for everyday driving)

Santeno
02-08-2005, 03:46 PM
Lotus Elisse<br>TVR Typhon<br>Morgan +8 (with the v8 motor)<br>Ferrari Daytona Convertible<br>vandenbrink Carver<p>If I could keep going:<p>Jaguar D-Type (yes I know it was mainly a track car)<br>Austine Healey 3000<br>Mazda Miata (1st and 2nd gen)<br>Mazda RX-7 (3rd gen)<br>TVR Sagaris & T350<br>Bufori MkII<br>a late 1970's Porsche 911<br>1971 Corvette convertible

SV
02-08-2005, 05:24 PM
1. mercedes-benz e-class<br>2. rolls-royce phantom<br>3. scion tC (for a first car; you know, something simple and reliable)<br>4. mercedes-benz CLS<br>5 (tie) land rover LR3/lotus elise

Naga Royal Guard
02-08-2005, 06:33 PM
Land Cruiser

syclone
02-08-2005, 07:07 PM
<FONT COLOR="red"><FONT SIZE="100">FUGA!</FONT></FONT><p><FONT SIZE="1">fuga?</FONT><p><br><i>Modified by syclone at 2:12 AM 2/9/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syclone at 2:12 AM 2/9/2005</i>

BMW rulez
02-08-2005, 07:17 PM
1. Lamborghini Murcielago<br>2. BMW 760Li<br>3. BMW M6<br>4. MB CL65<br>5. BMW M5

zwei Biere bitte
02-08-2005, 08:05 PM
1. E60 BMW M5<br>2. Mercedes CLS55 AMG<br>3. Lamborghini Gallardo<br>4. Morgan Aero 8<br>5. Land Rover Range Rover Sport

Cozz
02-08-2005, 10:55 PM
1. ME 4 12<br>2. G-class AMG<br>3. SL65<br>4. MP4-20<br>5. a white Yugo<br>

Hornbag
02-09-2005, 12:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Land Cruiser</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No comment.<p>Mine are-<p>Ford Territory Ghia (since im gona have 5 kids i need 7 seats, plus its a Ford!)<br>Lexus GS430 sedan (new 2005 model)<br>BMW M5 sedan (like i need to go fast, and it looks great)<br>Audi A6 sedan (just cos i like it bette than the E class and i love dat grille!)<br>Ford Fusion (cos its a Ford and i just love that grille!!!!)<br>

Top Secret
02-09-2005, 12:40 AM
Right now, I would love to have these 5 cars:<p>1. Aston Martin DB8<br>2. Lamborghini Gallardo<br>3. 997 911 Turbo<br>4. C6 Corvette Z06<br>5. Audi A6 3.0<br>

knicks125
02-09-2005, 07:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No comment.<p>Mine are-<p>Ford Territory Ghia (since im gona have 5 kids i need 7 seats, plus its a Ford!)<br>Lexus GS430 sedan (new 2005 model)<br>BMW M5 sedan (like i need to go fast, and it looks great)<br>Audi A6 sedan (just cos i like it bette than the E class and i love dat grille!)<br>Ford Fusion (cos its a Ford and i just love that grille!!!!)<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>and I thought you were going to list all Fords <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> j/k<p>5 Kids??? you sure you are ready for that much? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-09-2005, 08:12 AM
I swear every time we have a thread like this, it is soooo predictable. 95% of the people pick new cars, and almost everyone includes either supercars or some current cars from some of the major luxury manufacturers. Guys expand your horizons. There have been wonderful vehicles produced for a very long time.

Laguna
02-09-2005, 08:16 AM
Porsche Cayenne<br>Mercedes E-Class/G-Class/Vito/CLS/M-Class AMG/C-Class AMG etc<br>Lexus RX 330/400rh<br>Renault Megane/Laguna/Espace/Scenic<br>Lancia Phedra<br>Maseratti Quattoporte<br>Landrover Discovery/Freelander/Defender<br>Citreon C6/C4 Sedan,Coupe 5 door hatchback/C2 5 doors/C8/C3/C5<br>Puogeot 407/807/607/206/307<br>I can be here all year. These are some of my favorites. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
02-09-2005, 08:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I swear every time we have a thread like this, it is soooo predictable. 95% of the people pick new cars, and almost everyone includes either supercars or some current cars from some of the major luxury manufacturers. Guys expand your horizons. There have been wonderful vehicles produced for a very long time.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Santeno, you and I are oldies who actually remember there was a car industry before 2004.

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 10:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><FONT COLOR="red"><FONT SIZE="100">FUGA!</FONT></FONT><p><FONT SIZE="1">fuga?</FONT><p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><FONT COLOR="orange"><FONT SIZE="3"> Fuga Fuga Fuga <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> </FONT> </FONT>

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 10:04 AM
<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I swear every time we have a thread like this, it is soooo predictable. 95% of the people pick new cars, and almost everyone includes either supercars or some current cars from some of the major luxury manufacturers. Guys expand your horizons. There have been wonderful vehicles produced for a very long time.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>its because all these new cars make you feel so much older aint it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>can I interest you in a Ria Rio? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-09-2005, 10:07 AM
I think it has a lot to do with the age factor...most members in this forum are too young to know about the "old school" cars, of which some are just as amazing as the most of the current ones.<p>I think the title of this thread should be <B>top 5 cars you would like to own but cannot afford</B>. So far the majority of the responses are cars only if you have cash to throw around - that's what these cars are for. <p>I think it's the trend these days that people buy cars for the purposes of how other people would think/view them. They care too much about what other people think but can't take a stand for themselves

Santeno
02-09-2005, 10:26 AM
3 cheers for Paul and knicks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Finally someone who understands. With the exception of the Jaguar (and maybe the ferrari) I can actually afford any one of the cars on my list (notice I only said one). I think you are right in saying that our members are mostly young and just don't know much, but we were all once in the same boat. To our younger members I say, go out and learn about cars that came before and the histories of the marques you love. I'm not talking about depression era cars, but any cars from years past that have a special something about them. I guarantee that whatever made them special in their day, largely still holds true for those vehicles today.<p>Just check out what a late 1970's 911 carrera can do, and then take note that the car had virtually no driver's aides or safety equipment (except maybe seatbelts). the car might not perform to the spec of it's modern counterpart, but I guarantee that a) you will have to know what you're doing in order to drive one fast; and b) it's going to be one hell of a fun and white knuckled drive! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-09-2005, 10:35 AM
I do have to give credit to everyone for dreaming, who knows, one of us could, one day, buy every car on their list <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Some funny stuff I found in this thread:<p>Naga's Ria Rio (notice it's a typo)<br>Cozz's Yugo (a white one too)<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
02-09-2005, 12:17 PM
Maybe there should be a poll, 5 cars you would still like to own in 10 years' time? That way you eliminate the current fads and make people think about the vast automotive oeuvre.<p>For what it's worth, I'd like a Jaguar XK150FHC and a MKII, a crew cab Land Rover Defender 130, an Auburn Speedster and, hmmm...I don't know. Maybe a classic Range Rover from 1970.

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 01:30 PM
i dont see why anybody should be upset about what someone else likes in the first place<p>

sc43018
02-09-2005, 01:47 PM
1. MB s500<br>2. Land Rover Range Rover<br>3. MB CL65<br>4. Porsche 997 Cabrio<br>5. Lamborghini Diablo Roadster

Flagship
02-09-2005, 01:56 PM
1. Mercedes c 280 <br>2. Pre 2001 BMW 7 series <br>3. Lexus ES 330 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>4. Scion tC <br>5. Toyota Solara convertible

RepairmanJack
02-09-2005, 07:48 PM
not in any order:<p>Scion Xb<br>Toyota Fj Cruiser<br>Honda Element<br>Nissan Frontier<br>Ford Bronco (if they make that concept)<br>Plymouth Cuda<br>Mazda 3<br>Mazda RX-8<br>Dodge Challenger<br>Saturn Sky<br>Pontiac Solstice<br>Land Rover Freelander<br>A lot of older cars if they had modern engines<p>I guess I could afford some of these, but I don't want a car loan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-09-2005, 09:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RepairmanJack</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not in any order:<p>Scion Xb<br>Toyota Fj Cruiser<br>Honda Element<br>Nissan Frontier<br>Ford Bronco (if they make that concept)<br>Plymouth Cuda<br>Mazda 3<br>Mazda RX-8<br>Dodge Challenger<br>Saturn Sky<br>Pontiac Solstice<br>Land Rover Freelander<br>A lot of older cars if they had modern engines<p>I guess I could afford some of these, but I don't want a car loan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Like the list...a variety of choices <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
02-09-2005, 11:32 PM
Guys, read the title of the thread 'Top 5 cars' not like 10 or 15.<p>BTW, since Santeno's all wrapped up about us not liking old cars - I must say I would certainly love to have a Citroen DS, BMW 2002, Toyota AE86 Trueno and a Audi Quattro. See? I do like old cars - I just think newer ones are better.

whipster
02-10-2005, 02:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do like old cars </TD></TR></TABLE><br>So do I... I'd love to have a Mustang from 1960., it's great car.

knicks125
02-10-2005, 08:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guys, read the title of the thread 'Top 5 cars' not like 10 or 15.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No one really does...only a few do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-10-2005, 09:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW, since Santeno's all wrapped up about us not liking old cars - I must say I would certainly love to have a Citroen DS, BMW 2002, Toyota AE86 Trueno and a Audi Quattro. See? I do like old cars - I just think newer ones are better.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>But that's exactly my point. no one will argue that a modern car is better executed, but if you love a model, no matter when it's from, list it. notice that easily half the cars on my list are not old, but current. I'm just saying, If you like it, let us know - just try to excercise some through thought about your choices.<p>It's kind of like the difference between driving a Ferrari F430, driving a Ferrari Dino from the late 60's. They are both beautiful cars in their own right and sure the F430 can eat the dino for breakfast in terms of performance. But where the F430 says young guy with too much money or older man with too young a girlfriend, the dino says "Connoisseur" (plus it's much less common so it will really stand out in a crowd).

Dan J.
02-10-2005, 09:44 PM
My list would include <br>Rolls Royce Silver Ghost<br>Tucker<br>1963 Corvette Sting Ray <br>2006 BMW M6<br>Smart ForeTwo<br>Subaru Outback sedan<br>2006 Ford F-150 Harley Davidson<p><br>Who cares if there are more than 5 cars in a persons list. If your going to dream big why stop at 5? There are so many great cars to choose from I can't limit my self to 5. And while I'm at it I'll take ANY classic Bugati, any Talbot Largo or any Bently that was produced BEFORE Rolls and Benttley joined together a really long time ago.<br>Ford Model A Truck<p>And a Chip Foose restored 1971 Olds Cutlass 442 convertible.<p><br><i>Modified by RepoMan at 8:50 PM 2/10/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RepoMan at 8:53 PM 2/10/2005</i>

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 12:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>and I thought you were going to list all Fords <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> j/k<p>5 Kids??? you sure you are ready for that much? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know, i love my Fords, but i could show off so much with an Audi, BMW and Lexus!!!! I love showing off.<p>Yes, five kids, all girls. Me and my girlfriend have decieded on names to!<p>Holly (after Holly Valance) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Paris (Hilton)<br>Britney (spears)<br>Jessica (Simpson)<br>Kylie (Minogue)<p>LOL, i think its funny!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Im so proud of my self!!!!

bm88
02-11-2005, 04:09 AM
5 cars......<p>Rolls Royce Phantom<br>Overfinch 580S<br>Gibbs Aquada<br>BRABUS Maybach 62<br>Pre-facelift BMW 760Li

Naga Royal Guard
02-11-2005, 05:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know, i love my Fords, but i could show off so much with an Audi, BMW and Lexus!!!! I love showing off.<p>Yes, five kids, all girls. Me and my girlfriend have decieded on names to!<p>Holly (after Holly Valance) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Paris (Hilton)<br>Britney (spears)<br>Jessica (Simpson)<br>Kylie (Minogue)<p>LOL, i think its funny!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Im so proud of my self!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> plannin for the future already <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 05:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> plannin for the future already <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, i have 2! Im planning on becomeing filthy rich to...if so i will buy all my friends (from CSS) Fords! <p>I've always wanted 5 girls, just so when they bring home their boyfirends i can be the dad who questions them and scares them away!<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

RS
02-11-2005, 10:53 PM
Ferrari Enzo<br>1974 Alfa Romeo GTV<br>Rolls Royce Phantom<br>1936 Wanderer W25K<br>Mercedes-Benz G55 AMG<p>2nd / runner up:<p>Lamborghini Murcielago<br>1959 Chevrolet Corvette convertible<br>Ariel Atom<br>1938 Horch 853A Erdmann & Rossi Sport Cabriolet<br>Land rover Range Rover<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RS at 11:51 AM 2/12/2005</i>

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 10:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rolls Royce Phantom<p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>What colour trim, exterior colur combination. I go black on black with walnut trim.

RS
02-11-2005, 11:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What colour trim, exterior colur combination. I go black on black with walnut trim.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>white exterior and white interior (or anything light) with light wood <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-12-2005, 07:04 AM
I sat in one...don't quite remember the color combination (like that really registered into my memory), but WOW <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and got a ride while I sat in the backseat pretending to be i have loads of money...wishful thinking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

RS
02-12-2005, 10:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I sat in one...don't quite remember the color combination (like that really registered into my memory), but WOW <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and got a ride while I sat in the backseat pretending to be i have loads of money...wishful thinking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>You lucky ass! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
02-12-2005, 06:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I sat in the backseat pretending to be i have loads of money...wishful thinking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That reminds me or me when i was young.....oh wait, i still do that! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
02-12-2005, 06:23 PM
1. Mercedes slr<br>2. Mercedes sl<br>3. Range Rover<br>4. Audi A8<br>5. Maybach <br>i would also love to own the old 7-er, 8-er, all lambos and ferraris and most audis and mercedes