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whipster
02-06-2005, 02:20 AM
Which one you'd choose - which is the most practical, reliable... simply - which is the best?<br>

knicks125
02-06-2005, 02:25 AM
okay i narrowed down to three: astra, mazda 3 and corolla<p>had a tough time choosing between the above 3 but finally made the decision to take the astra, i think it's the best of the bunch <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>mazda 3 and toyota corolla comes in a close 2nd and 3rd, respectively <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 4:36 AM 2/6/2005</i>

whipster
02-07-2005, 01:35 AM
Anyone else wants to reply?

Santeno
02-07-2005, 10:32 AM
Tough choices, seeing that there are soooo many good cars in this segment. That said, The one on the list that to to me offers the best chasis, mechanicals, fit and finish, styling, and all around feeling of luxury/sport/quality, is the Mazda3.

RS
02-07-2005, 06:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tough choices, seeing that there are soooo many good cars in this segment. That said, The one on the list that to to me offers the best chasis, mechanicals, fit and finish, styling, and all around feeling of luxury/sport/quality, is the Mazda3.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I second that!

Hornbag
02-08-2005, 12:37 AM
When reading the Wheels february issue, i related to an issue raised about the Mazda 3.<p>That it is so danm LOUD inside! I remember riding around with my auntie and having to talk extra loud cos the noise inside was like the levels mum gets in her Landcruiser! (ok, mabey not that bad)<p>But it looks great, but i voted the Focus as it is SUPOSED to be a good lookin in the metal and is SUPOSED to be great quality...plus im biased!

CalinG7
02-08-2005, 01:42 PM
I was going to vote for the Mazda 3 but I think the Dacia Logan beats it out on superior handling and performance.

SV
02-08-2005, 05:22 PM
i'm not sure, the mazda3, VW golf and vauxhall astra are all great cars, but my vote will go to the mazda as it's the only one of the three available in america for now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

syclone
02-08-2005, 07:11 PM
I think the 307 is the best design - been on the market forever now and still looks great. Of course the Kia is an all out sports car. I voted for the Focus, though. The new one just seems a class above its price. The Golf is a close second, though.<p>Is it just me or does the new Golf seem to come in colors that show dirt more than other cars? Come to think of it, both Golf's and A3's seem to be the filthiest looking cars on the road. Or maybe their owners can't afford to wash them after realizing how much they just spent on a compact?

Naga Royal Guard
02-08-2005, 10:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the 307 is the best design - been on the market forever now and still looks great. <b> Of course the Kia is an all out sports car. </b> I voted for the Focus, though. The new one just seems a class above its price. The Golf is a close second, though.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

whipster
02-09-2005, 01:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was going to vote for the Mazda 3 but I think the Dacia Logan beats it out on superior handling and performance. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What? THIS Dacia Logan? A small, cheap car from Romania, sponsored by Renault is going to beat out Mazda 3? Well, maybe Dacia's OK but you can't compare it with experienced, Japanese company which Mazda definately is. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 07:36 PM
the ONLY car that can beat the infamous Dacia Logan is the KIA RIO

RepairmanJack
02-09-2005, 07:52 PM
I pray to god they make a 3 door Mazda3 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Then I'd tell you to get that...

CalinG7
02-10-2005, 12:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the ONLY car that can beat the infamous Dacia Logan is the KIA RIO</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Few cars indeed can match the peerless quality of the Dacia Logan. The Rio comes close, though it's set up more for outright supercar performance, whereas the Logan is slanted towards pure luxury. <p>Whipster, that was a little, small joke. I really did mean the Mazda 3. That's the one that gets my vote.

whipster
02-10-2005, 02:12 AM
I just thought it was a joke... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-10-2005, 08:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Few cars indeed can match the peerless quality of the Dacia Logan. The Rio comes close, though it's set up more for outright supercar performance, whereas the Logan is slanted towards pure luxury. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Now that's a garage. A logan for those nights when you need to be choffered around so you can concentrate on your date (or go to dinner to some swanky joint like "Le Chateu du Waffles"); and a Rio for those weekends when you want to just tear through the countryside. Oh yes, that's the life. Gotta go now, The new mannor house is being delivered today and I can already see the flat bed's pulling up there them hills.

Naga Royal Guard
02-10-2005, 10:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now that's a garage. A logan for those nights when you need to be choffered around so you can concentrate on your date (or go to dinner to some swanky joint like "Le Chateu du Waffles"); and a Rio for those weekends when you want to just tear through the countryside. Oh yes, that's the life. Gotta go now, The new mannor house is being delivered today and I can already see the flat bed's pulling up there them hills.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they have hills in new york? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-10-2005, 11:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they have hills in new york? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I wasn't always a new yorker. I grew up in the south and will always be a southerner.

knicks125
02-10-2005, 11:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>they have hills in new york? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>what do you think???<p>how woud YOU classify hills <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-10-2005, 12:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wasn't always a new yorker. I grew up in the south and will always be a southerner.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>lets see that mullet then <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

piokor
02-10-2005, 07:22 PM
1. Mazda 3<br>2. VW Golf<br>3. Ford Focus

zwei Biere bitte
02-10-2005, 08:20 PM
Can I say 130i? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

whipster
02-12-2005, 03:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can I say 130i? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, and you can add it to the list of choices. =)

hokman
02-15-2005, 02:42 AM
There's got to be a problem with this poll. Mazda 3 at top? On paper, the technical data looks pretty good with big engines. But actually the engines are noisy and weak IN reality, power seems to have lost on the way to the wheels. Everything has no feel, steering, brakes, switchgear, gearshift. Styling is very plain and unassertive, especially unelegant and lack of detail (front grille). That's why mazda 6 sells for more money, although the 3 has a better interior, the 6 has all the proper feel and looks that the 3 lacks. The engine is worst than most competitors and would be ashamed to be installed in even cheaper cars. My friend tested the mazda 6 2.3, and he said the engine is really bad. <p>Probably the reason people chose it is because how can anything be bad when based on focus chassis, and the equivalent volvo s40 costs two times the money. But remember that the new focus major concern is safety, refinement and environment, so it's actually wost than the old one in steering and arguably dynamics because of the heavier body (uglier too). The major problem of the Mazda is the lack of knowledge in tuning that ford has to tune its focus, all it knows is to make the suspension hard, no finesse(it's not that simple). Of course ford is a big company and anything can be saved by its tuning, that's why the new focus is more than year behind mazda 3's launch. The time taken to tune the chassis to perfection. Mazda just slam the chassis on some hard suspension and then sell it. Explaining for its lower price and MUCH earlier release. <br>I'm surprised NO one was surprised at the big time difference between mazda3/s40's launch and focus. Although the chassis itself is a ford chassis, and the launch for the secondary company is that much earlier? Didn't anyone see how strange that was?<p>Jeremy Clarkson gave it a 1 out of 5.<br>review:<br>That meant he’d had high hopes for me and that I had let him down. Suddenly it was all my fault. <p>Try this with your kids. Tell them you’re really cross and I guarantee it won’t make a ha’porth of difference. Tell them you’re disappointed and they’ll immediately clean their room and take up the cello. <p> <br> <br>I’m no stranger to the concept of disappointment. There was Bob Seger’s last album, for a kick-off. And then there’s my yew hedge, which is six years old and still only six inches high. But the Mazda was something new. It’s not just worse than I was expecting, it’s worse than I’d have expected even if I wasn’t expecting anything. <p>I mean, why, for instance, base a car on the Ford Focus — which has independent rear suspension — and then not fit independent rear suspension? Yes, Mazda saves a pound, but I end up disappointed. <p>And why do the brakes have to be operated with a switch? Sometimes you just want to slow down a bit, but the Mazda can’t do that. You’re either going along normally, or you’re stationary with your face all squidged on the windscreen and blood pouring out of your ruined nose. <p>Yes, you get Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, Emergency Brake Assist and antilock, but I’d trade all of that for a bit of “feel”. <p>It’s the same deal with all the controls, actually. There’s no finesse to the gearbox, the clutch or the steering. There’s a sense, with everything, of pared-to-the-bone, penny-pinching, accountancy-driven engineering. <p>Then there’s the styling. Mazda says that with its long wheelbase and aggressively flared fenders it has an assertive presence, even when viewed from a distance. What are they on about? A werewolf has an assertive presence. Nelson Mandela has an assertive presence. The USS Nimitz has an assertive presence . . . but the Mazda3 is no more assertive than soil. <p>It’s especially unassertive at a distance because it would take such a long time to get from wherever it is to wherever you are. You can buy a 2 litre version, which is probably capable of movement, but I tried the 1.6, which isn’t. <p>Mazda says the 1.4 is “lively”, and the 2 litre “powerful”, but is plainly stumped with the middle-order 1.6, which it describes as “highly balanced”. “Asthmatic” is perhaps more accurate. “Strained” is good, too. “Woefully short of oomph” works as well. <p>Strangely, it’s not short of power. With 103bhp on tap, it’s right in the standard 1.6 litre ballpark, but somewhere between the engine and the road it all seems to escape. <p>Time and again I’d gird my loins for an overtaking manoeuvre on the A44 — it’s never easy — and time and again I’d realise as I drew level with the Rover I was trying to pass, that I didn’t have enough grunt. So I’d get on the brakes and then have to spend the rest of the journey picking bits of gristle and cartilage out of the heater vents. <p>As far as price and equipment levels are concerned, it’s fine. My TS2 model costs £13,600 — about the same as a Focus 1.6 Ghia — and came with air-conditioning, curtain airbags, a CD player and traction control — a little more than you get on a Focus. <p>But this is not enough, I’m afraid, to swing the pendulum Mazda’s way. Last week, in the Good Car Bad Car Guide, I said that those wanting a car of this type should choose between the Golf, the Focus and the Renault Mégane. Nothing’s changed. <p> <br>Well one thing has. Ive had enough of testing humdrum hatchbacks so Im going to sign off now, ring Aston Martin and get my hands on a DB9. <br>VITAL STATISTICS <p>Model: Mazda3 1.6 TS2 5dr<br>Engine type: Four-cylinder, 1598cc<br>Power: 103bhp @ 6000rpm<br>Torque: 107 lb ft @ 4000rpm<br>Transmission: Five-speed manual, front-wheel drive<br>Suspension: (front) independent with MacPherson struts (rear) multilink with angle dampers <br>Tyres: 205/55 R16<br>Fuel: 39.2mpg (combined)<br>CO2: 172g/km<br>Top speed: 114mph<br>Acceleration: 0 to 62mph: 11.0sec<br>Price: 13,600<br>Verdict: Really quite disappointing<br>Rating: *<br> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hokman at 1:47 AM 2/15/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
02-15-2005, 07:49 AM
you should test the car instead, have you?

hokman
02-15-2005, 05:05 PM
No, I'm not going to, because all the tests I've seen lead me to believe this isn't a car worthy of a test drive. I already got cheated by reviews of Astra, and thought the Cobalt is the same thing, but then I test drove it and found out that it's sh**.<br>I'm not falling in anymore traps, especially when Clarkson gave it a one star rating.<p>Edit: I can't accept the looks either, it's simply not in the league of the new Astra, Golf, C4 nor even Corolla. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

hokman
02-15-2005, 05:07 PM
One more thing, why isn't the C4 on this list?

Naga Royal Guard
02-15-2005, 05:10 PM
it says " add new choice" and you are free to do so

LoneWolf
02-18-2005, 02:15 AM
Considering the global nature of the membership here, wouldn't it have been wiser to separate Ford focus into USDM and EU market?