PDA

View Full Version : Car Spy Shots COTY <30K


Superfresa
01-12-2005, 07:03 PM
Okay, Andre didn't put it up and were well into January now. He didn't reply either so I decided that as original creator of this thread I'd put it up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> So hope that's OK.<p>Vote for Car Spy Shots Car of the year (COTY) for 2004 for under 30K. Here are the short-listed:<p>1) Hyundai Sonata<br><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10281-201942-380/Sonata1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>2) Ford Focus <br><IMG SRC="http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/ford/ford_focus_c-max_2003_01_s.jpg" BORDER="0"> (Source: autogaleria)<br>3) Citroen C4 <br><IMG SRC="http://www.citroen.com/NR/rdonlyres/EAC38311-E6CD-4AFC-ABD3-F9C6AA1684B9/18113/berline_10z.jpg" BORDER="0"> (Source: Citroen)<br>4) Scion Tc <br><IMG SRC="http://199.239.248.45//images/stk/2005/sc2005tcsportscoupe811385m.jpg" BORDER="0"> (source: velocity)<p>Please chose according not only to personal taste, but to Importance of the vehicle in automotive industry, heritage, etc. We will not judge ride, or anything else here for obvious reasons, even if all magazines out there agree. Please chose according to whatever YOU can account for.<p>Thanks in advance to all for the help <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Superfresa at 12:35 PM 1/13/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Superfresa at 2:08 PM 1/29/2005</i>

anonms
01-12-2005, 09:09 PM
That Sonata picture is of the current one...

zwei Biere bitte
01-12-2005, 09:22 PM
Out of those four, I would say the Citroen C4.

Top Secret
01-12-2005, 11:18 PM
My pick of the bunch is the tC. It just provides a whole new vehicle for younger kids - a moderately fast, sporty looking car with a good price. I think a lot of other brands will try and develop this kinda car, becuase there is a big market for budget sport cars.

Audicted
01-13-2005, 03:57 AM
gotta go with the tC. Of course, I'm biased since I just bought one last month <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Scion%20Helios%20tC/PICT1587.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Scion%20Helios%20tC/PICT1574.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Scion%20Helios%20tC/PICT1576.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Scion%20Helios%20tC/PICT1575.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Scion%20Helios%20tC/PICT1577.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Scion%20Helios%20tC/PICT1578.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Scion%20Helios%20tC/PICT1582.jpg" BORDER="0">

Reppu
01-13-2005, 04:56 AM
We don't have Scions in Europe. I voted C4.

knicks125
01-13-2005, 06:09 AM
<B>The Sonata pic above is from the previous generation</B><p>Here is some pics of the new Sonata:<p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10281-201942-380/Sonata1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?s=b9f00bb6f853af1d8ebf0a6ebf237153&act=Attach&type=post&id=141" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10281-201942-382/Sonata3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: AutoWeek<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 1:34 PM 1/13/2005</i>

Jake
01-13-2005, 09:51 AM
Citroen C4. At last a desirable car from a once idiosyncratic car manufacturer; this, along with the C2, C3 and future models should revamp the lost direction of the marque.<p>The Hyundai is an ugly cow of a car<br>Ford has taken the cutting edge styling of the original Focus and made it dull compared to its rivals<br>The Scion is a nice looking car but as stated, not available in Europe; and doesn't have the same impact as the C4 regarding its effect on the brand.

knicks125
01-13-2005, 10:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jake</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Hyundai is an ugly cow of a car</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Now that's not nice...you don't have to like it but at least show some respect <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Jake
01-13-2005, 11:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now that's not nice...you don't have to like it but at least show some respect <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry, I was referring to the previous generation pic originally posted. From the pics you posted, the designers seem to have pulled their fingers out and done a mighty job of improving the looks of the Sonata. Although quite handsome, its derivitive: quite a bit of Passat from the side; whilst the back is dull. And what can I say about the interior without leaving an aftertaste of bile in my mouth. Shiny black plastic and red trim on the mats...mmmmm. I still go for the C4

knicks125
01-13-2005, 11:36 AM
To avoid further confusions, Superfresa, would you please replace the last generation Sonata with the ones I have on this thread, or any other Sonata images<p>thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
01-13-2005, 01:36 PM
Voila. Sorry for the old pic guys and thanks for posting a new one.

Flagship
01-13-2005, 02:10 PM
I would have to go with the Scion tC great looking car with lots of standard features like all automatic windows(one press brings them down automatically), automatic digital climate control, very big sunroof 

Superfresa
01-13-2005, 02:19 PM
I don't know yet if to go Citroen or to go Hyundai

taskbearer
01-13-2005, 05:37 PM
Citroen C4 all the way, The most important car of this lot. Its looks sends the rest of the cars in its class to decades from asunder, yes even the astra can't match this car. The sonata is a blatant repition of what toyota did years back. It might work, but lacks the shock factor of the C4. the gorgeous C3 did not chnage peoples opinion about citroen, but the C4 has already done that.

syclone
01-13-2005, 08:00 PM
c4. for reasons stated above.<p>i think the sonata interior is utter rubbish. in fact, ill go as far as to say i prefer the previous generation.<p>tc doesn't excite me much, although it is a very nice and competent vehicle. defintely belongs on the short list.<p>new focus is a very hot car. must be seen in the flesh to be fully appreciated. if ford were bringing it to the states sooner i would have voted for it.

knicks125
01-14-2005, 09:45 AM
I voted for the Sonata for the following reasons:<p>price: starting under 20k, well below other compeitors<br>Features: tons of standard features (ABS, Traction control, EPS, etc), comfort, convenience, entertainment (mp3/subwoofer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> )<br>Safety: above <br>Design: well done inside and out<p>Power: V6 237hp...0-60 in the 6s...takes out both Accord and Camry, and most other comparable midsize sedans<p>And the biggest, improvement. I can't stress that enough...Hyundai has improved so much over the past decade or so. Among others, quality and reliablity are the ones I value most about their improvements

Andre
01-15-2005, 03:06 AM
Super, I thought I did reply, but oh well. I've been horribly busy hese last few weeks with family problems.<p>Of that set I choose the Sonata<p>It's an International car which will change the future for an entire company. I think it will be a lot easier to respect it than old Hyundais. Even if you don't like it, I don't think anyone here will hate it with a vengence because it means so much.<p>The Focus and C4 aren't international so I don't know much about them to judge, and the tC is nothing special, nothing groundbreaking or spectacular.

Superfresa
01-15-2005, 06:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Super, I thought I did reply, but oh well. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hey Andre, no I have not received anything. However, I've NEVER received a IM on this forum, and Ascariss said that when I received one it would pop up. Maybe that isn't happening, and there's no other way to check IMs so you might have replied but I didn't get it.<p>I nearly clicked Sonata here myself, but then with that pic I posted of the C4 which looks sooo nice I thought about it and decided not to vote yet <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

skodamotorsport
01-15-2005, 10:04 AM
wheres the Monaro<br>

-Peter-
01-16-2005, 06:50 AM
superfresa, maybe you should also replace that picture of Ford Focus C-Max with the picture of Ford Focus, because they arent the same car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
01-16-2005, 07:16 PM
<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skodamotorsport</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wheres the Monaro<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Did you nominate it? Was it new in 2004?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PeterDesign</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">superfresa, maybe you should also replace that picture of Ford Focus C-Max with the picture of Ford Focus, because they arent the same car </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ok, can anyone post a pic please? All I found was that...

KaRaceR
01-17-2005, 07:36 AM
its got to be the c4 easily the best lookin car and is quite powerful, for its size

knicks125
01-17-2005, 08:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skodamotorsport</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wheres the Monaro<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>not sure if the Monaro is BRAND new for 04, but it doesn't belong in this thread. If it does qualify based on the above, the price factor should bring this car to over 30k (USD) poll/thread. I think the retail price for the Monaro is over 60k AUD, which is at least 45K in USD <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

skodamotorsport
01-17-2005, 04:53 PM
27k here :D and when was the nominations and it was new for 2004

Superfresa
01-17-2005, 05:11 PM
Nominations have taken place since November...

knicks125
01-17-2005, 08:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skodamotorsport</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">27k here :D and when was the nominations and it was new for 2004</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here is the link I got from my friend in the land down under <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/vehicleentry?vehicleid=12" TARGET="_blank">http://www.holden.com.au/www-h...id=12</A><p>Where do you see 27k? maybe I should tell him to get one...

SV
01-17-2005, 09:42 PM
the sonata gets my vote, because it's cheap, good quality, and pretty nice looking too. plus it'll be a slap in the face to all its competition.

zwei Biere bitte
01-17-2005, 10:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here is the link I got from my friend in the land down under <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/vehicleentry?vehicleid=12" TARGET="_blank">http://www.holden.com.au/www-h...id=12</A><p>Where do you see 27k? maybe I should tell him to get one...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>He was talking about the Vauxhall Monaro, not the Holden. Vauxhall recently got a rebadged version of the Holden Monaro. Also, 27K is British Pounds.

Hornbag
01-19-2005, 09:24 PM
I boyed for, wel its obvious.. but thats for a rason, the Focus was the REAL car to set this segment on fire, and its still doin that, nothing can come close. Yes it has lost some of the edgy style, but i would change that or more refindment and better dynamics and better everything anyday!

knicks125
01-20-2005, 10:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I boyed for, wel its obvious.. but thats for a rason, the Focus was the REAL car to set this segment on fire, and its still doin that, nothing can come close. Yes it has lost some of the edgy style, but i would change that or more refindment and better dynamics and better everything anyday!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah the focus defn. could set itself on fire with its recent quality issues <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>i see the focus is doing really well in the poll <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

Superfresa
01-20-2005, 07:04 PM
Finally decided myself and voted Sonata... LOL

Top Secret
01-20-2005, 07:28 PM
Ok guys, since your having this big argument about the Monaro - yes, in Australia it would easily be over US 30K, but in the US, the GTO (rebadged Monaro) sells for 32k (I think), which still counts it out.<p>Anyway, you could hardly call the Monaro new, it just has some minor revisions such as a more powerful engine and some sheetmetal revisions.

Superfresa
01-20-2005, 07:58 PM
NP Zwei Biere Bitte solved the problem for us LOL<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>He was talking about the Vauxhall Monaro, not the Holden. Vauxhall recently got a rebadged version of the Holden Monaro. Also, 27K is British Pounds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

knicks125
01-21-2005, 06:19 AM
not really...<p>27k in British Pounds is well over 50K is US Dollars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
01-23-2005, 04:22 PM
Car Spy shot's Car of the year's voting will close on January 28th to elect the winner. So last week to get your vote through!

Hornbag
01-27-2005, 12:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">c4. for reasons stated above.<p>i think the sonata interior is utter rubbish. in fact, ill go as far as to say i prefer the previous generation.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree, there are good parts, but i think to much was expected (IMO), its just not a nice car....i love the headlights, tail lamps and the dials, but thats it! Go Focus

Superfresa
01-29-2005, 03:06 PM
Hyundai Sonata is Car Spy shot's 2004 car of the year &lt;30 K<p>Votings. <br>Sonata - 11 votes<br>Scion 8 votes<br>Citroen C4 - 7 votes<br>Ford Focus - 2 votes

knicks125
01-29-2005, 09:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hyundai Sonata is Car Spy shot's 2004 car of the year &lt;30 K<p>Votings. <br>Sonata - 11 votes<br>Scion 8 votes<br>Citroen C4 - 7 votes<br>Ford Focus - 2 votes </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good job superfresa<p>Congrats to the Sonata, it derseves this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
01-30-2005, 09:31 AM
Thanks Knicks125, I think people lost interest in this because of the looong delay with the change of forums and so on, but anyways I did my job...<p>And yeah well deserved winner...