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Naga Royal Guard
12-23-2004, 05:01 PM
Specify the following <B> ( feel free to cut and refill ) <br></B> <p>A. # of combustion chambers / hybrid / piston or rotary or fuel cell<br>1. number of banks / block shape ( inline, V [spec angle], W, flat )<br>B. Fuel type ( min, midgrade, premium, 108(?) racing, diesel, biofuel, urine, cow****, canola oil, kydarin crystals)<br>C. type of aspiration ( turbo, super, nit ox, NONE, etc. ) specify max PSI<br>D. Engine Placement ( Front, Rear, Mid )<br>E. Valve Type ( Dohc, 5V, SoHC, Pushrod/OHV ) ( VVT yes or no ) (DoD yes or no)<br>F. Size of Engine<br>G. Transmission ( specify brand or existing unit if you please ) OR spedify number of forward and reverse gears, hell you can even tell what ratios and final drive you want <br>H. Drive wheels ( Front, Rear, AWD, 4wd, 3wd )<br>I. Engine Block/Head Material or Composition specify block liner material if you want<br>J. Dry Sump yes or no<br>K. EXPECTED hp/torque ratings<br>L. Yell at Naga for forgetting some critical thing in the drivetrain<p><I>mark N/A where you need to, obviously some engines cant have some particular technologies <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> </I> <p>regards,<p>Naga <p><br><i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 4:13 PM 12/23/2004</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 3:48 PM 12/25/2004</i>

Addex
12-23-2004, 05:27 PM
A. 6 Cylinders<br>B. Inline, longitudinally mounted<br>C. Naturally Aspirated<br>D. Front<br>E. 4 valves / cylinder, DOHC, w/ VANOS<br>F. 3200 cm<br>G. Six speed manual<br>H. Rwd<br>I. Aluminium<br>J. Yes<br>K. 360HP, 370 NM<p>Can anyone guess what engine?<p>And I wish that this will be available to the Baby Aston.

knicks125
12-23-2004, 05:46 PM
Nice topic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This is my current car (pretty ideal, for now):<p>A. V6<br>B. midgrade to premium<br>C. NONE<br>D. Front<br>E. 24-valve VVT-i<br>F. 3.3-liter DOHC<br>G. 5-speed electronically controlled sequential automatic overdrive with intelligence (ECT-i)<br>H. Front<br>I. I don't know - can someone help?<br>J. I don't know - can someone help?<br>K. 225hp @ 5600rpm / 240lb.-ft. @ 3600rpm<br>L. N/A<p>

Walker
12-23-2004, 06:27 PM
ok, lets see<br>A. 8 cylinders, vee, longitudinal<br>B. premium fuel, or cow**** whatever works<br>C. naturally aspirated<br>D. mid<br>E. 5 valves/ DOHC and vvt yes/ Dod no<br>F. 4 litres or less<br>G. 6 speed manual<br>H. rear<br>I. aluminium<br>J. who knows<br>K. around 400 hp/ 300 lb ft torque<br>L. that pretty much covers it<p>mine is very close to a real drivetrain too<p>is Addex a fan of the current M3 perhaps?

syclone
12-23-2004, 06:44 PM
A. # of combustion chambers / hybrid / piston or rotary or fuel cell<br>1.V12 with cylinder deactivation<br>B. petrol<br>C. NA<br>D. Front<br>E. Pushrod<br>F. 6L<br>G. Five Speed Manual (Six gears is one too many)<br>H. AWD<br>I. Mostly Aluminum<br>J. Yes<br>K. 400hp/700lb-ft<br>L. wood screws

Naga Royal Guard
12-23-2004, 06:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice topic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>I. I don't know - can someone help?<br>J. I don't know - can someone help?<br>K. 225hp @ 5600rpm / 240lb.-ft. @ 3600rpm<br>L. N/A</TD></TR></TABLE><p>im guessing its the toyota 3.3 L, engine is full aluminum, and dry sump is for the most exotic of engines<p>the BMW m3 has a partial/scavenging dry sump system, not full like ferraris

knicks125
12-23-2004, 07:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>im guessing its the toyota 3.3 L, engine is full aluminum, and dry sump is for the most exotic of engines<p>the BMW m3 has a partial/scavenging dry sump system, not full like ferraris</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Naga, thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yep, you got it...it's the engine for the Solara V6

Naga Royal Guard
12-23-2004, 07:47 PM
no prob knicks125, great car too; interior must be great <p>ill do mine now<p>A. 8 piston<br>1. v8; degrees, ah who knows<br>B. premium for higher compression<br>C. twin turbo, sequential<br>D. Front<br>E. Dohc, VVTL-i ( yamaha heads <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> )<br>F. 3.4-3.8<br>G. 6 forward gears, single overdrive, single reverse; probably an aisin unit<br>H. Rwd<br>I. Cast iron block, aluminum heads<br>J. Full would be needed, with advanced pumps and cooling system<br>K. 400 hp @ 9200 380 lbft @ 8500<br>L. COMPRESSION RATIO!!!!! : 13.56:1 <p>basically, a lightweight version of the old M5 v8 with a turbo system that BMW would dispise <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
12-23-2004, 09:06 PM
A. Toyota's HSD<br>1. I4 or V6<br>B. The cheapest petrol avaliable<br>C. HYBRID!!!!! <br>D. Front<br>E. Whatever Toyota or Honda uses<br>F. 3.5 liters max<br>G. 5-speed auto or CVT<br>H. Toyota's e-Four<br>I. whatever is common<br>J. what the hell is "dry stump"?<br>K. The RX400h's stats max.

knicks125
12-23-2004, 09:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no prob knicks125, great car too; interior must be great</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Love it so much...got the SLE verison with DVD NAV...love that leather, comfortable seatings and space...i drive it every time i get, sometimes even going out of my way <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> (although I am starting to get jealous of the TL I just got for my mom)... she's not letting me touch it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ... i guess just as well, Solara is great car, one of the best coupes out there - for its quality, performance, design and espeically the price, worth every penny!!<p>BTW, love the M5, it's my dream car, wish I can have it some day...

Pro Driver
12-23-2004, 10:02 PM
My 1981 BMW 320i<br>1- Inline 4 Cylinder DOHC 16V 2.5 Liters- 11.7:1 CR<br>2- Cast Iron Block Aluminum Head<br>3- Premium<br>4- Normally Aspirated<br>5- Front Engine<br>6- Rear Drive<br>7- 5 Speed Manual<br>8- 215 RWHP @ 7800 RPM 176 RWTQ @ 4800 RPM<br>9- 2246 LBS Curb Weight<br>10- No Dry Sump<br>11- 0-60 4.5 Seconds<br>12- Top Speed 171 MPH<br>13- 1.2g Skid Pad Rating<br>14- 60-0 105 feet<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
12-23-2004, 11:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chibi ichigo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>J. what the hell is "dry stump"?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>most car's oilpans simply pool oil and have pumps circulate it back up to the crankshaft, a dry sump system removes the oil from the engine temporarily to a reservoir outside of the engine then pumps it back in for lubrication, ferrrais and lambs have it; BMW M engines have partial dry systems which is stil quite imprssive<p>benfits include: larger oil capacity if desired, flatter oilpan -&gt; lower engine mount -&gt; better centre of gravity, reduced oil starvation to engine on heavy turns, i heard it keeps the oil from sludgging up but i dunno<p>some of my details may be foggy

Nick
12-23-2004, 11:54 PM
A. 8<br>1. V, 90*<br>B. premium<br>C. Naturally aspirated<br>D. Front<br>E. OHV (3 valves per cylinder model)<br>F. 427<br>G. Tremec T56 Z51 tuned 6 speed<br>H. Rear<br>I. Aluminum block with iron cylinder bore liners<br>J. yes<br>K. 600 hp/ 650 lbs/ft

Reppu
12-24-2004, 02:35 AM
A. 6 cylinder<br>1. V 90<br>B. diesel<br>C. turbo<br>D. Front<br>E. Dohc<br>F. 2,5 litre<br>G. DSG<br>H. Rear<br>I. Aluminum & magnesium<br>J. ???<br>K. 200hp, ~45kgm

chaserolls
12-24-2004, 08:27 PM
this one's easy for me, 3 words: C6 Corvette ZO6<br>

GSturb0
12-24-2004, 08:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chaserolls</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this one's easy for me, 3 words: C6 Corvette ZO6<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Cheater! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
12-24-2004, 09:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GSturb0</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cheater! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>OMG! YOUR EX CHEATED ON YOU WITH A BMW OWNER!!!!!!!!

chaserolls
12-25-2004, 01:03 PM
Ok, the Z06 would be my ideal crosstrainer-type-car, a monster on the track and relatively comfortable on the road<p>if I wanted to build the ultimate track car, however, i'd base it closer to the lotus Elise/Exige, which would be;<p>A: Inline 4 cyliner - 2.2L<br>B: racing fuel 110 octane leaded (for the 9-10,000 rpm redline)<br>C: Turbo <br>D: Mid engined (like lotus elise)<br>E: DOHC 4V VVTi (no DoD, obviously)<br>F: 2.2L<br>G: 6spd sequential transmission w/ manual clutch<br>H: rear wheel drive w/ Kaaz LSD<br>I: Aluminum block with magnesium sleeves<br>J: dry sump<br>K: 400hp @ 8300 rpms, 250 lb/ft torque @ 4120rpms<br>L: Compression Ratio for internals= 9.5: 1<br>M: Turbo Boost Pressure = 24psi (forged internals of course)<br>N: CLOSED DECK (could ask, open or closed deck?)<p><br>Note - this would be a track only car

Naga Royal Guard
12-25-2004, 01:48 PM
wish i knew what closed/open deck was, theres also semi; what are benefits of either design? strength vs. cooling?

chaserolls
12-25-2004, 02:17 PM
Yes sir, in between the outer walls of the block and the inner walls of the cylinder, there are little passages where water from the radiator circulates, in a closed deck design, all but the most important of these passages are filled, depending on the passage design, sometimes the passages are shrinken to make the sidewalls of the engine wider/stronger, but still allow fluid to circulate in relatively the same manner, which some might argue compromises the cooling abilities of the engine, but it is necessary in my opinion on high Pressure turbo applications because it helps maintain the integrity of the cylinder walls, basically, closed deck engines have stronger blocks, so you can run higher boost, but you need to improve your cooling systems, like radiators and intercoolers<p>open decks are ideal for NA applications because there isn't nearly as much strain on the cylinder walls and the block when the car is NA, even at compression ratios up to 13.5:1, the cooler your engine runs, the cooler the air will be in the cylinders, the cooler air holds more oxygen, so you can run a slightly richer air/fuel ratio and get more HP/torque out of your engine<p>hope that makes sense

Naga Royal Guard
12-25-2004, 02:46 PM
thats why theres a certain heavy ***** i6 that runs turbos very nicely <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

chaserolls
12-25-2004, 02:51 PM
exactimundo, and it's an iron block