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DoMiNo
06-08-2007, 10:51 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/558/buscontestvd8.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Plagued by perpetual traffic jams, choking pollution, and ever-increasing population density, large cities across the globe--from Europe, to Asia, to North and South America--have pooled their funds to develop the next generation of roadbound public transportation. You have been charged with creating "The Bus of Tomorrow" (though for the sake of creativity I'll say it doesn't necessarily have to be a bus), an urban mass transit vehicle capable of serving the needs of these burgeoning metropolises (in an innovative and, above all, sustainable way) for years to come. <p>The vehicle must be designed in such a way that:<p>1. Optimizes space and seats the maximum amount of passengers possible within the smallest footprint.<br>2. Utilizes state of the art safety and convenience innovations (also, it must be completely handicap accessible)<br>3. Minimizes environmental impact (alternative powertrains are welcome)<br>4. Incorporates true style. This vehicle will be a showcase of new technologies and an important part of the new urban landscape; it should be designed accordingly.<p><I>Good luck designers!</I> Tentative closing date for this contest is <B>Saturday, June 23</B>, but I'm willing to move that forward (i.e. close it sooner) if everyone feels that's too much time. I mentioned to knihc that I'd like to keep these moving at a fast enough pace to maintain everyone's interest. That means everyone should try their best to sumbit their entries within the allotted timeframe. <p>PM me with any questions or feedback <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Looking forward to the entries.

taskbearer
06-09-2007, 01:11 AM
A well timed topic, should be very interesting and I will participate in this one. <p>I think we should really move quickly with these contests as keeping one contest going for months does not help any of us in attacking challenges and improving our skills. <p>One of the significant variables in the real world is speed to market. No one waits for anybody no matter the situation. If we cannot learn that here, then I don't see a reason of doing this anyway. <p>The quicker the better for all of us. So designers lets get going!!.

DoMiNo
06-09-2007, 05:03 PM
To all participants - <p>I've received a couple of questions regarding what sorts of vehicles may or may not be appropriate under the rules of the contest, and the short answer is: let your imagination run wild. So don't feel you need to limit this to simply buses, though if a new kind of bus strikes you as the way to go then by all means go for it. Having said that, just remember that one of the main points of this challenge lies in the fact that the new vehicle must be compatible in a wide range of varying urban environments. So finding the "lowest common denominator" is key, and some forms of transportation that may be suited to certain cities may not work well at all in others.<p>Best of luck, hope this is a challenge, and I hope we have good participation numbers this time!

Ascariss
06-09-2007, 06:23 PM
Very cool idea for a contest, I have the idea, just need to implement it.hmm

Mil
06-10-2007, 07:35 AM
Very nice indeed Domino. Glad to see you Moderating for CSS, and as you said - to keep things moving.<br>I'll be sure to enter, this contest should provide a wide range of designs.<br>Good work. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
06-11-2007, 12:23 PM
i have a very good idea, its just a shame that i cant draw. I was thinking maybe something along the lines of the basic principle of bubble hockey. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
06-11-2007, 04:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>against the wall</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a very good idea, its just a shame that i cant draw. I was thinking maybe something along the lines of the basic principle of bubble hockey. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You should definitely enter anyway. In theory, at least, these contests are more about the concept than the execution.

against the wall
06-11-2007, 05:59 PM
hah well i can barely draw a regular car in 3d, let alone a bus on a pre-set track. with finals and everything this week it would take me ages. ill still explain my idea.<p>if you arent familiar with bubble hockey, it is basically hockey players on a pre-set track that cant go anywhere else. it is kind of like a monorail, except at street level. it would have all the diesel polluting buses replaced with sleeker and rooomier ones that dont pollute anything at all, because they run on nothing but magnetic levitation. mag-lev is kind of hard to explain but simply put it is just a bunch of magnets that repel the other magnet making it levitate causing no ground friction. it would be very fast, so there wouldnt be a lot of magnets (another way to think of this is the hot wheels tracks with the spinning belts shooting the cars). there would also be preset tracks on the side of the streets, away from passenger car traffic, creating slightly less clutter in the middle of the street, potentially making traffic move quicker (could be quite useful in NYC). <p>come to think of it my idea isnt really that original, but just a combo of many ideas already implemented around the world. oh well.

Nurburgring
06-11-2007, 06:35 PM
I think you're talking about trolley buses. They were quite active in the 1960's in the TTC fleet, but they canned it. I have no idea why. It's a great form of transportation.

against the wall
06-11-2007, 07:25 PM
well its like a trolley, but it would be a lot faster and actually just be like a regular bus without wheels. trolleys are really unsafe on those hills in san fran. i was hanging on the edge and this guy decides to sneeze on a filled trolley so everyone backs away and moves on a full, moving trolley, making me almost slam into a car. luckily i didnt though, somehow.

SV
06-11-2007, 08:32 PM
a maglev bus sounds like a great idea, it would definitely be very fast but would probably also be prohibitively expensive (the shanghai maglev, i think, was just a couple miles of track and cost billions)...<p>this is a great topic, i'm already coming up with ideas; right now i'm thinking about a bus powered by compressed air; they're actually making an air-powered taxi right now, in fact: <A HREF="http://www.theaircar.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.theaircar.com</A>/<p>oh yeah and congrats on getting the moderator position domino! couldn't think of someone more fitting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

2o6
06-11-2007, 09:18 PM
Hmmn..........<p><br>I'll whip up something for this contest...........

DoMiNo
06-15-2007, 04:45 PM
Well, I didn't really want to be the first one to enter <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> But I was so excited about my entry that I just couldn't wait <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> It ain't perfect, but hey, I tried. Hope ya like <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><B>Introducing the BOMBARDIER MTS</B> (Modular Transit System)<p><IMG SRC="http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7524/mtsbusbr8.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bombardier Media Centre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><B>Montral, Qubec </B> Bombardier, a world-leading manufacturer of innovative transportation solutions, today unveiled plans for its world-first MTS, or Modular Transit System. The MTS is a versatile, multi-configuration urban transportation system designed to meet the needs of the worlds largest and fastest growing urban areas. Joint funding for the development of MTS has been provided by governments of many target cities, for which the project will help meet the challenge of providing top-notch public transit in the face of growing populations and gridlock traffic. <p><B>As evidenced by its name, the MTS consists of an innovative core unit which may be quickly and easily modified to one of five different transit configurations.</B> We realized that a transportation network that works well in one large city may not work so well in others, says one engineer on the MTS project, so we tried to make it as flexible as possible to accommodate the varying needs of each market. As such, each MTS unit is shipped with the hardware necessary to convert it to any of the desired configurations: street bus/coach, electric trolley, conventional train, and upper- or lower-mount monorail. Bombardier has also looked to the future, and is currently exploring further configurations, including long-wheelbase, long-range, and split multi-car versions. Aside from allowing unparalleled versatility, the MTSs modular construction keeps development and construction costs to a minimum.<p>Aside from its innovative construction, the MTS in its various forms comes equipped with near-infinite seating configurations and a myriad of unique and thoughtful features. Wraparound glass provides passengers a wonderful view of the passing city, and helps the driver keep close tabs on his/her surroundings. The symmetrical design ensures that there are no major blind spots (an invaluable feature in dense urban environments), but six camera pods positioned around the vehicle allow the pilot more peace of mind. Additional features are unique to some configurations:<p>- In bus trim, the MTS is driven by two self-contained, independently-driven motor pods mounted below the vehicle. Both front and rear wheels can steer the vehicle, thereby allowing greater maneuverability than conventional coaches. Propulsion options include a clean-burning diesel engine, an LNG engine, and battery-driven electric motors. A hydrogen version is currently under development. Should one of the motors fail, the MTS is capable of running at limited speed on one engine, ensuring fewer delays; the pods may also be easily removed for replacement or repair. <br>- The hydraulic suspension system between the motor pod and the carriage offers a smooth ride and may be raised or lowered as needed. The <B>settling suspension</B> drops the carriage much nearer to the ground when stopped, and the rocker panel extends to ground level as a ramp, allowing easy access for all passengers. Once under way, the ramp retracts automatically and the suspension slowly rises to driving height. <br>- Adding to the MTSs unparalleled accessibility is a unique <B>four-panel door system</B>. At smaller stops and during inclement weather, the two middle panels open for ingress and egress of passengers. However, at more crowded stops all four panels will retract open, allowing a much larger opening for passengers to enter and exit quickly.<br>- All configurations are equipped with GPS navigation systems which display directions, stop information, and vital functions across the pilots field of view on the windscreen glass. This <B>HUD system </B>can includes a three-dimensional map of the drivers view, and will trace the drivers route ahead of the vehicle.<br>- The MTSs unique <B>symmetrical construction </B>allows cockpits at both ends of the vehicle; this is especially useful for train and monorail systems in which the MTS may function fully in both directions. The reversible LED head- and tail-lamps change from white to red depending on which direction is forward. <p>The Bombardier MTS total transportation system offers the very latest in safety, economy, and comfort. Inside, it may be outfitted in any way desired and can always be easily reconfigured. Orders for the Modular Transit System are now being taken and Bombardier expects it to see service in cities around the globe starting in late 2008.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><B>Lower-Mount Monorail Configuration</B><br><IMG SRC="http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/305/mtsmonorailaf6.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Multiple Configurations</B><br><IMG SRC="http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7210/configkeynd7.jpg" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
06-15-2007, 05:51 PM
hmm quite genius.... hmm

Mil
06-16-2007, 02:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm quite genius.... hmm</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Indeed. You must have spent ages on that Domino, very nice lay out, great work overall.<br>W0W<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Comrade
06-16-2007, 09:56 AM
Son of a gun! I had the same idea with the detachable ends. <br>They would contain all engines and all the running gear and would be removable in case they need to be serviced (because they use high tech engines that would probably not be as reliable as regular ones) or w/e, and the passenger compartment would stay on the road with the passengers not having to change buses. But the way I got the idea was the fact the carriers would swivel left and right and could provide a much better turning radius in tight city streets than buses with only the front wheels steering. Mine would be a lot longer tho, and maybe even double-deckers.<p>

DoMiNo
06-16-2007, 10:14 AM
Thanks for the comments guys! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Mine would be a lot longer tho, and maybe even double-deckers.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought about a double-decker, but never got it to look right in my sketches, and I originally intended to make both short and long versions but I didn't feel like doing another render <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> haha. In the end I decided to stick with the shorter vehicle because it would be much easier to handle on crowded city streets.<p><br>Now I know you guys have tons of ideas, let's see some entries!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
06-16-2007, 02:29 PM
Awesome work Domino. Very well thought out and the presentation and render is top notch. The design is very futuristic, but Will all those curves would there be space for people at all? The silhouettes do show some promise of space efficiency though.<p>Great stuff, can't wait to see what others would come up with. I'm working on mine and hope it would be up by next week.

AXIS
06-21-2007, 08:16 AM
You guys should check out this article for some inspiration:<p><A HREF="http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/may2007/bw20070514_063008.htm" TARGET="_blank">Article</A><p><A HREF="http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/05/0514_futuretransit/index_01.htm?technology+slideshows&popupWidth=770&popupHeight=600" TARGET="_blank">Photo Gallery</A><br>

DoMiNo
06-21-2007, 08:27 AM
Thanks for the great article, AXIS <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Come on guys, where are the entries? So many people seemed excited about this contest! And I was really hoping to avoid an extension so that we can keep these contests moving at a decent pace. <p>"If it not success, I will be execute!" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Mil
06-21-2007, 02:59 PM
Ive got my sketches down, im just trying to find time to start the real thing, ive been very busy lately (how many time have I said that?), its pretty chaotic. Only a few more weeks of school though.

DoMiNo
06-24-2007, 11:55 PM
Thanks for the truly amazing participation, guys. Shall I just close this contest, or would anyone like an extension? Or does anyone even look in the contests section anymore?

Ascariss
06-25-2007, 12:39 AM
you know what, I say keep this open until enough entries come in. I can get something done next weekend for sure. :D

2o6
06-25-2007, 06:58 AM
I dunno, this contest field seems too wide for a CSS Style Format.<p><br>At another forum, broader topics like this would be used. At that forum, you have to have ideation sketches, renders and and a bit of an explanation to your enrty.

Mr. Burns
06-25-2007, 09:23 AM
I'll get something up by the end of today or sometime tommorrow.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Mr. Burns at 9:41 PM 6/25/2007</i>

or2001
06-25-2007, 09:24 AM
i've got a final literature test tomorrow....so after that i'll work on my entry :P

DoMiNo
06-25-2007, 09:28 AM
Fair enough, <B>contest extended until Monday, July 2</B>. Looking forward to more entries <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Thanks guys.

Mr. Burns
06-26-2007, 04:04 PM
here's my entry, the world's first triple decker bus:<br><IMG SRC="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/mountdoug/Picture6.png" BORDER="0"><p>With a breathtaking third floor with an exclusive all glass roof. The bus also features a stunning curved staircase, that is free for all to see as you climb up.<p><i>Modified by Mr. Burns at 5:32 PM 6/26/2007</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Mr. Burns at 5:50 PM 6/26/2007</i>

2o6
06-26-2007, 07:14 PM
Umm bridges, tunnels?<p><br>Otherwise, Quite nice Mr.Burns.

DoMiNo
06-27-2007, 02:06 PM
Very nice entry, Mr. Burns. It certainly does the job of maximizing space within a set footprint, and does so without being thrown out of proportion with the extra level. It has a futuristic look that's still unmistakably Mercedes, and you've done a great job of maximizing the glass area. It would make a fantastic group tour coach and I think it could even revive long-distance coach travel here in the U.S. by incorporating a rooftop lounge/dining area, like on the cross-country trains of the mid-20th century. <p>2o6 points out the only obvious flaw in this design, which would be height restrictions. With the countless overpasses, bridges, and tunnels found in urban areas, such a tall vehicle would have a hard time.<p>Great work, and a very nice, clean drawing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
06-27-2007, 04:02 PM
another downside would be the greenhouse effect on the upper level...

Mr. Burns
06-27-2007, 04:09 PM
the glass is also tinted :)

Mil
06-27-2007, 11:32 PM
My design will definetly be done this weekend, for sure. *Crosses fingers*

Comrade
07-02-2007, 08:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>against the wall</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">another downside would be the greenhouse effect on the upper level...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>haha what?<p>The third level front seats look like they're above the driver. Now that's where I'd want to sit!

Superfresa
07-02-2007, 08:54 AM
Guys, lets throw in some more entries. It may not be your best contest entry ever, but give it a go. Dont chicken out just because the topic is more difficult!<p>I'll work on one tomorrow, though I may have to rush it - wont have too much time.<p>Come on guys!

2o6
07-02-2007, 10:10 AM
It isn't too hard, but too broad for the format of the current contests.

Mr. Burns
07-03-2007, 05:10 PM
well I guess this is a good ol' fashion duel between me and Domino! too bad I don't stand a chance tho lol<p>Domino, may the best future of mass transit thingy win!

Mil
07-03-2007, 11:38 PM
*Sigh* I really wanted to finish mine off, but I am just sooooo busy nowadays. I'll try make some special time just for contests (Ive been working on another design for a few weeks).<br>Sorry =[

or2001
07-04-2007, 03:50 AM
i've tried to work on something, but it seems like i'm totally un-inspired these days....really frustrating

DoMiNo
07-04-2007, 02:37 PM
Hey guys. I'm currently out of town (family emergency) so I haven't really been able to check CSS for the past several days (and may not be able to check frequently for several more). Is the consensus that this contest should end?<p>What a bummer. I worked really hard on this one :-/

Superfresa
07-04-2007, 10:20 PM
I know I'm later than late, but if the contest is still open, at some point on Sunday I'll probably post my entry. I'm done with the ideas, now I just need to do the final sketch.

Mil
07-05-2007, 01:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know I'm later than late, but if the contest is still open, at some point on Sunday I'll probably post my entry. I'm done with the ideas, now I just need to do the final sketch.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, I'm at the same stage. Its hard to find time nowadays =[<br>I'll keep trying though...

Superfresa
07-08-2007, 10:14 PM
OK, I finished my entry! Its done!<p>Domino, I am deffinitely posting when I get back from work, just need to scan it and upload it. If you can wait that long that'd be sweet. However I'm way overdue, so if you must close it now, its all good, I understand <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Right now I'm running late for work though, so catchya in about 12 hours!<p>If I haven't posted before 20 hours, assume I'm dead and close it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>- SF -

Superfresa
07-09-2007, 06:38 AM
Home early!<p>Here's my entry. <p>Sorry, Its a bit rushed, and I'm at a point where my drawing style is a bit.... in denyal... but I think It'll be for good.<p>Anyway:<p><br><B>The BUS - ISH</B><p><IMG SRC="http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2595/busish800zh1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>When I thought of Public transport, I thought of 200 people jammed into a 60 tonne lorry, all breathing into each others necks (And not in a sexy way - LOL!). And then those buses are so huge, they're bound to kill anyone in a collision, or run over pedestrians because they cant even see them. And I thought - How silly! What we need is a conveniant, comfortable form of transport to match todays private transportation!<p>So this one is airy, and roomy - with tons of light - but no taller than a minivan. Yet with all the conveniance of today!<p>A few of the main design elements are:<p>* Glass roof with glass sides. You want an airy, roomy feel, with tons of light.<br>* Center Roof Air channel to provide air to ALL PASSENGERS <B>Including the central ones</B>.<br>* Aerodynamic body based on a fish - with a back "Spine" running through the chassis and the roof, and "Ribs" surrounding the passengers.<br>* A side step that unfolds from the body side - and a glass top door part that folds up and becomes the roof during entry / exit.<br>* "Tete a tete" seating - because the beauty of public transport is the community feel, and you lose it by facing a headrest!<br>* Art nouveau seats - made out of plastic. Easy to clean, comfortable, and look good. Also, not shown thanks to my drawing being larger than the scaneable area of my scaner, the seats fold flat to allow for a wheelchair to attatch there.<br>* The aerodynamic shape of the <I>BUS - ISH</I> is also an organic form, so it turns within itself.<br>* Low, organic shoulder line suggests sportyness, but is there mainly for visibility of all passengers and to increase the airy, roomy feel.<br>* The body is Low and wide - so its very stable, and also, it makes it less clumsy on semi- residential streets, with trees and so on.<br>* High visibility throughout 360 Degrees...<p><B>As for the moving bit:</B><p>This project is focused as a 2015 launch and as such, drivetrain options have kept as realistic as possible. Ideally, Electric engine, front mounted, Front drive. The bus-Ish is long enough to fit large batteries underneath to last a few days. However, there's room for a Biodiesel Unit, Front mounted, Front drive <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Hope you like it. Please feel free to comment! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"><p>- Superfresa -

2o6
07-09-2007, 06:59 AM
NICE! You've inspired me to actually enter this contest.........<p>Don't close it yet..........

Superfresa
07-09-2007, 07:01 AM
By the way, I realised I've been a dork and not commented on your entries. Sorry guys!<p>* DoMiNo - Mammoth effort man, that is really, really well finished and superbly executed. The idea is very ingenious too! The only thing I'd comment is that its a bit too... Chocolate pudding with chocolate sauce covered with caramel and a layer of sugar (Not that exxagerated, but just to make a point). Just looks a bit too much if you see what I mean. If you dont, ask, I'll try to explain <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Nontheless its a brilliant entry, and the idea, design and execution are flawless. Would've looked fantastic in matte grey or white, and it would've taken the "Over the top" effect from it. Dont get me wrong though, I am really impressed with it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"><p>* Mr. Burns - Fantastic entry from you too. Love the idea, and the sketching is awesome. Only thing bothering me is that I just cant sort of work it out, because It'd need to be at least 5.5-6m high, yet it looks almost as wide as it is tall. So your proportions look good, but for a mind like mine that tries to work it all out, Its a bit crazy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> LOL. But never mind, because Its a concept sketch and thats what they're meant to be like anyway. And It looks fantastic - it trully does. Well done!

DoMiNo
07-10-2007, 08:26 AM
Great entry Fresa <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I really need to close this... how long do you need 2o6?

Superfresa
07-10-2007, 09:32 AM
Thanks Domino and 206! I was hoping it wouldn't be too bad!<p>Expect me to hang arround here more from now on, as I once did, but hopefully with better sketches this time <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Hehe...

DoMiNo
07-11-2007, 01:54 PM
Locked! Good luck to all...3...of us. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">