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GiorgioM5
03-20-2012, 03:25 AM
Just revealed: http://www.autoforum.cz/predstaveni/mercedes-sl65-amg-2012-dvanactivalec-je-zpatky-s-630-konmi/

Awesome specs: 6.0 V12 biturbo, 630 HP, 1000 Nm / 737 lb ft, 0-62 mph in 4,0 secs, new 7G-Tronic.

http://www.autoforum.cz/tmp/magazin/mg/Meredes_SL65_AMG_oficialni_01_503_0.jpg

IcedG35
03-20-2012, 03:36 AM
its growing on me, but a 600+ hp version of the TTV8 in the SL63 would be preferable to the heavy antiquated V12...assuming its carryover.

DoMiNo
03-20-2012, 03:54 AM
1. Still ugly.
2. Not extreme enough.

Give me an M6.

fou_bleu
03-20-2012, 04:49 AM
A beautiful car all things considered, but I can't understand why MB are continuing to use this V12? The thing would be heavier than even the twin-turbo V8, too much torque to actually use (said TT-V8 would keep up easy) and would be less economical. I just don't get it...

omoderncultureo
03-20-2012, 05:23 AM
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6118/6998952543_594db79be9_c.jpg

Large Photos w/ Full Press Release (http://www.flickr.com/photos/upcomingvehiclesx/sets/72157629624589263/)

cuisine
03-20-2012, 03:30 PM
new thread for sl 65 amg ? why ? old thread isnīt good for this car ???


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haji
03-20-2012, 04:58 PM
Did we really need another new thread for one new engine variant?

Blackraven
03-20-2012, 06:01 PM
its growing on me, but a 600+ hp version of the TTV8 in the SL63 would be preferable to the heavy antiquated V12...assuming its carryover.

A beautiful car all things considered, but I can't understand why MB are continuing to use this V12? The thing would be heavier than even the twin-turbo V8, too much torque to actually use (said TT-V8 would keep up easy) and would be less economical. I just don't get it...

Hmm....pardon me for saying this but you guys are forgetting that the M275 AMG engine is equipped with two turbochargers. So in effect, it's a TTV12.

Since we are talking about raw performance (aka all about 'vroom vroom'), all else equal, V12 > V8.

IcedG35
03-20-2012, 06:06 PM
Hmm....pardon me for saying this but you guys are forgetting that the M275 AMG engine is equipped with two turbochargers. So in effect, it's a TTV12.

Since we are talking about raw performance (aka all about 'vroom vroom'), all else equal, V12 > V8.

neither of those is correct.. a twin tubro V8 is just that, not a TT V12. the SL65 has always been too nose heavy, esepcialyl given the SL proportions don't provide much room behind the front axle to fit a V12. a lighter engine that sits further back in the engine bay, which can easily achieve the same hp figures (just ask BMW), would be the way to go IMO. also, because a TTV8 has less low end torque, you wouldn't have as much wheel sleep as you do in the V12, which essentialy kills any HP gains off the line.

Blackraven
03-20-2012, 06:55 PM
neither of those is correct.. a twin tubro V8 is just that, not a TT V12. the SL65 has always been too nose heavy, esepcialyl given the SL proportions don't provide much room behind the front axle to fit a V12. a lighter engine that sits further back in the engine bay, which can easily achieve the same hp figures (just ask BMW), would be the way to go IMO. also, because a TTV8 has less low end torque, you wouldn't have as much wheel sleep as you do in the V12, which essentialy kills any HP gains off the line.

IMHO, there is no wrong approach to engines in this case.

In fact, since you brought up BMW, you could say that the TT V8 engine in the F10 M5 (S63B44) has more performance and better fuel economy than the naturally-aspirated V10 of the previous gen (S85 engine).

But the V10 has a better sound and the rev limit is way higher. Some of M fans and purists are concerned that BMW does not know how to make reliable turbochargers. They're even worried about the upcoming M3 from natural aspirated engine to tri-turbo engine (which is an interesting but unproven design).

Of course, turbo charging and supercharging means it's easier to the tune and upgrade.......but NA engines are less complex and some purists enjoy the sound of higher displacement engines.

For them, the saying is that "there is no replacement and for displacement."

:)

AM2
03-20-2012, 10:42 PM
1. Still ugly.
2. Not extreme enough.

Give me an M6.

There's just something wrong about the proportions with the new SLs in general. The previous generation SL before the major facelift looks much better.

2013 SL63 AMG
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-SL63_AMG_2013_photo_0e.jpg

2003 SL55 AMG
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-SL55_AMG_2003_photo_17.jpg

PS: Couldn't find good pics of the old and new SL65 AMG from the same angle, so I used the lower AMG models for comparison...

haji
03-21-2012, 03:30 AM
There's just something wrong about the proportions with the new SLs in general. The previous generation SL before the major facelift looks much better.

Thats cause in the "inside" the two cars share the same components. Merc has just changed the "outside".
Similar to what Lotus have done with the first gen Elise and the present one.

IcedG35
03-21-2012, 03:53 AM
Thats cause in the "inside" the two cars share the same components. Merc has just changed the "outside".
Similar to what Lotus have done with the first gen Elise and the present one.

isn't this a brand new aluminum platform?

effew
03-22-2012, 06:26 AM
I wish they could've thrown the black series engine in the. However I do like that they've put the 7 speed on the back of the v12 finally.

Blackraven
03-22-2012, 06:44 PM
I wish they could've thrown the black series engine in the. However I do like that they've put the 7 speed on the back of the v12 finally.

I'm figuring that it's in the works..............but yeah, it's most likely that the performance figures of a new Black Series would only be possible if it had a V12 engine (hence why MB developed a newly-improved powertrain called the M279).

Oh and yeah, I do believe that the announcement of the 7-speed transmission caught all of us by surprise as well. It looks like MB has found a way to handle the monstrous 1000 Nm max torque of their V12 monster............by strengthening the integrity and components of the gearbox.

Kudos to MB engineers on that aspect :)