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cuisine
08-18-2011, 07:55 PM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150295293387366.360814.161568662365&type=1

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fou_bleu
08-19-2011, 01:11 AM
2013*

Certainly is quite an improvement over the previous model!

That interior is superb!

JBlair
08-19-2011, 01:33 AM
What a nice Scion TC sedan!

haji
08-19-2011, 01:42 AM
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2o6
08-19-2011, 01:44 AM
Good press photos hide the fact that the design takes no risks, and is actually quite bland.


It's like the current Lexus LS and old 5-series had a baby.

knihc2008
08-19-2011, 02:41 AM
Ok, it's not terrible. But it doesn't seem to make a single convincing reason as to why people should buy it over the competition. If I wanted a German-type dash, I'd just get myself an Audi or a BMW, both of which still do it better. The exterior is not ugly but it's really nothing to write home about and would honestly make a fantastic Camry. And in a segment filled with attractive vehicles, "nothing to write home about" means it's, in my eyes, the least attractive car in the class. At least the E-class has cohesive design... For example, I still don't' know why Lexus chose to make the main shoulder line crooked at the rear door handle, like they did in the CT.

anonms
08-19-2011, 02:54 AM
I guess the CT was the preview for Lexus' new cues: the taillamp shape (kinda), the headlamp shape (less of a stretch than the taillamps), the nose treatment (CT *kinda* has the spindle), the steering wheel style...

The G37-like rear doors still bother me, though; why couldn't they make it more IS-like?


Although. I will say this. Time and time again, Toyota proves they're great at designing really nice-looking steering wheels.

chef211
08-19-2011, 05:13 AM
I guess the CT was the preview for Lexus' new cues: the taillamp shape (kinda), the headlamp shape (less of a stretch than the taillamps), the nose treatment (CT *kinda* has the spindle), the steering wheel style...

The G37-like rear doors still bother me, though; why couldn't they make it more IS-like?

Am I, the only one that likes the new GS.

anonms
08-19-2011, 06:26 AM
Am I, the only one that likes the new GS.

Well, I can't definitively say if I like it or not; most Toyota designs look blah in pictures but look at least fine, if not decent, IRL.

effew
08-19-2011, 06:26 AM
Someone tell Nissan that Toyota made an Infiniti!

Also that dash reminds me of a revised 80's style dash

ndjan
08-19-2011, 06:45 AM
Exterior is nice, if you're looking for a midsize midprice competitor for a hyundai. This should have been the Camry. For a lexus that's competing with the likes of the e-class and a6, it looks too bland and too inexpensive. But at least the interior is stunning.

knihc2008
08-19-2011, 07:47 AM
Whipped this up really quick
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/2999/lexusgs35020131600x1200.jpg

Blackraven
08-19-2011, 11:11 AM
Am I, the only one that likes the new GS.

You are not alone on this one my friend ;)

Anyways
Here's an official teaser preview of the upcoming F-sport version which will be unveiled in a few more months

http://pressroom.toyota.com/images/GS350F_teaser_39648_2524_low.jpg

the1
08-19-2011, 11:45 AM
It looks great with huge wheels and especially this model of alloys.

http://media.autoweek.nl/m/m1eyt2ib23sd_800.jpg

I must say it's not revolutionary but I do like it. The interior is really nice, while the exterior is a bit sedate and too much inflated IS... but it somehow works. It wouldn't be my first option in this class, the XF and 5 Series are still ahead while I find the A6 (exterior wise) and E (exterior and interior wise) slightly behind.

Reppu
08-19-2011, 12:27 PM
You are not alone on this one my friend ;)

Anyways
Here's an official teaser preview of the upcoming F-sport version which will be unveiled in a few more months

http://pressroom.toyota.com/images/GS350F_teaser_39648_2524_low.jpg

I'm not a fan os S-Lines, M-packs, AMG-kits of the world, but for once this could be the only way to really consider a GS, in my opinion.

Oz Astra
08-19-2011, 01:18 PM
OMG IT'S HIDEOUS!!

First the god awful CT and now this horrible beast.

Toyota, what were you thinking?!

swizzle
08-19-2011, 02:20 PM
OMG IT'S HIDEOUS!!

First the god awful CT and now this horrible beast.

Toyota, what were you thinking?!

They are thinking: "How can we really help the Genesis brand get off to a great start?"

Superamerica
08-19-2011, 05:47 PM
The interior is really nice, while the exterior is a bit sedate and too much inflated IS... but it somehow works. It wouldn't be my first option in this class, the XF and 5 Series are still ahead while I find the A6 (exterior wise) and E (exterior and interior wise) slightly behind.

I agree. The 5er is still my favorite car in this class. I like the looks of the XF but I would still choose the Lexus over it - for reasons other than looks (i.e., overall ownership experience). To me, the E-class looks bad, but looks are very subjective. As for the A6, I can't get over the fact it's really a FWD-based AWD Volkswagen (again, just a personal thing). That, added to Lexus' smooth, quiet and refined ride, bullet-proof reliability (the most reliable cars on the market) and excellent resale value would put it among my top choices. I was never a big fan of Lexus interiors, but they obviously addressed that issue with the new GS. The exterior is inoffensive, but it's elegant and discrete. I personally don't like cars that make me look like I'm trying too hard to stand out in the crowd. Also for all these reasons, though, my choice would be the 5-series. :) (but since I can't afford any of the aforementioned vehicles, I'd happily accept any of them so long as it's free)

IcedG35
08-19-2011, 08:56 PM
Lexus seems completely lost in figuring out the kind of car company it wants to be.

ndjan
08-20-2011, 12:25 AM
The exterior is inoffensive, but it's elegant and discrete. I personally don't like cars that make me look like I'm trying too hard to stand out in the crowd.

There's elegant and discreet, and there's low-rent. I get that the best styled luxury sedans are tastefully styled. But they also clearly looked their value. The original series of Lexus vehicles were discreet but upscale looking. The original LS really changed the luxury sedan formula. This car, to me, is actually slightly gawdy with some of the design features and simply does not look upscale. It looks mid-market at best. When you compare it to, say, the Infiniti M or the Hyundai Genesis, both competitors, they look more expensive without looking like they are trying too hard to stand out. But I agree that BMW is the most balanced of the Germans.

Superamerica
08-20-2011, 12:51 AM
There's elegant and discreet, and there's low-rent. I get that the best styled luxury sedans are tastefully styled. But they also clearly looked their value. The original series of Lexus vehicles were discreet but upscale looking. The original LS really changed the luxury sedan formula. This car, to me, is actually slightly gawdy with some of the design features and simply does not look upscale. It looks mid-market at best. When you compare it to, say, the Infiniti M or the Hyundai Genesis, both competitors, they look more expensive without looking like they are trying too hard to stand out. But I agree that BMW is the most balanced of the Germans.

Um... you just called the GS' looks low-rent and stated that the Genesis looks upscale. I find this Lexus very elegantly styled and the Genesis to have a derivative yet bland design (which I also don't find to be aging too well, especially given it was just introduced for the 2010 model year). Obviously, our opinions are so divergent that no matter how much we argue we'll never reach an agreement (except that we like the 5-series). But that's the beauty of diversity and variety. :)

Naga Royal Guard
08-20-2011, 03:21 AM
it just doesn't look very special or distinctive

pjl35
08-20-2011, 03:30 AM
This looks like a poor chinese rip-off of a GS...not the ACTUAL GS. Let's just hope this isn't the fate of the IS when it's redesigned...

Blackraven
08-20-2011, 07:07 AM
Unless you're getting a Genesis 5.0 R-spec version, there is no way a Genesis sedan can be a better car overall compared to the Lexus GS............and based on what we've seen on this new 4GS so far, I believe that the same is true.

The Genesis will definitely win on the aspects of cheaper pricing and value for money. Other than that, well I'm not so sure.

Features? Definitely Lexus? Technology? This new 4GS will wipe the floor of what the Genesis Sedan offers. Reliability? Well it's hard to say. Hyundai has shown some improvements as well so we'll see. Either way, I doubt Lexus would want to slack off on this especially since they are known for maintaing in vehicle quality and reliability. Resale value? Probably Lexus atm.

Simply put:
To call the Genesis Sedan (well maybe except the 5.0 R-spec sedan version) as a better car (overall) against this 4GS is a bit premature, isn't it?

Anyways

Here are some more pics but this time from the Lexus Japan demo and test drive preview event.

Pics for this come from response.jp

http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357521.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357526.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357540.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357522.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357509.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357530.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357517.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357510.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357511.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357519.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357512.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357528.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357515.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357527.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357516.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357518.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357529.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/357532.jpg


Please comment :)

swizzle
08-20-2011, 01:24 PM
In long-term tests the Genesis has proven uber reliable. Its warranty incidence rate is low, meaning that you don't know the service writer by first name. The Genesis is exactly the type of vehicle the first Lexus LS400 was. And snobs back then sneered at it saying "Yeah it may be a value, but it's not really worthy of this group." The sad thing is that Lexus, for whatever reason, seems unable to get that they need to take the Camry out of their mindset. If Kia produces their Genesis-based coupesedan, and there's no reason why they wouldn't, the Lexus GS and others will have real issues from yet another source. As it is now, the Genesis, CTS, and 300C are great reasons NOT to buy a GS.

Blackraven
08-20-2011, 04:19 PM
Genesis? Only in 5.0 R-spec version. I don't find any appeal once it reaches the lower versions

CTS? I think CTS-V Wagon looks bad-ass

300C? Err.........I'm currently having a hard time to understand why one should even bother with that vehicle (IMHO it looks kinda bulky and bland)

chef211
08-20-2011, 04:25 PM
In long-term tests the Genesis has proven uber reliable. Its warranty incidence rate is low, meaning that you don't know the service writer by first name. The Genesis is exactly the type of vehicle the first Lexus LS400 was. And snobs back then sneered at it saying "Yeah it may be a value, but it's not really worthy of this group." The sad thing is that Lexus, for whatever reason, seems unable to get that they need to take the Camry out of their mindset. If Kia produces their Genesis-based coupesedan, and there's no reason why they wouldn't, the Lexus GS and others will have real issues from yet another source. As it is now, the Genesis, CTS, and 300C are great reasons NOT to buy a GS.

I disagree, this new GS will own the Genesis, CTS, 300C in this segment. Plus the Genesis, 300C are fullsize so this isn't a comparable argument. CTS is the only viable argument here.

against the wall
08-20-2011, 04:41 PM
who the hell cross shops a GS/5er/E-class/XF/etc with a 300c lol

chef211
08-20-2011, 05:20 PM
who the hell cross shops a GS/5er/E-class/XF/etc with a 300c lol

Thinking the same thing.

DoMiNo
08-20-2011, 05:41 PM
It's really impressive how Lexus have managed to make this car simultaneously dreadful and soul-numbingly boring. I always thought those were two mutually exclusive aesthetic spaces.

Superamerica
08-20-2011, 05:56 PM
I disagree, this new GS will own the Genesis, CTS, 300C in this segment. Plus the Genesis, 300C are fullsize so this isn't a comparable argument. CTS is the only viable argument here.

My understanding is that the CTS competes directly with the IS, rather than the GS, no?

I agree - the 300C is not a direct competitor to the GS, E-Class, 5er or M-series.

Although the Genesis is a bland and derivative sedan, I have to admit it's a very competitive car - well built and probably very reliable. However, it's also not in the same class as the German-Japanese sedans either. This is not because of the car itself (which, again, is very competitive), but because of the badge it wears. Market analysis has shown that the usual Lexus, Merc or BMW buyers do not add the Genesis to their shopping list. For these buyers, the overall experience of owning a luxury car (including dealership experience and brand reputation) weighs a lot in their purchase decision. I cannot imagine a traditional BMW/ Lexus buyer walking into a Hyundai dealership and/or bringing his car in for service along with all the high school/college kids with their Hyundai Accents.

anonms
08-20-2011, 06:05 PM
Waitaminute. Is that an exposed trunk hinge? What kind of luxury car is this?!?

chef211
08-20-2011, 06:14 PM
My understanding is that the CTS competes directly with the IS, rather than the GS, no?

I agree - the 300C is not a direct competitor to the GS, E-Class, 5er or M-series.

Although the Genesis is a bland and derivative sedan, I have to admit it's a very competitive car - well built and probably very reliable. However, it's also not in the same class as the German-Japanese sedans either. This is not because of the car itself (which, again, is very competitive), but because of the badge it wears. Market analysis has shown that the usual Lexus, Merc or BMW buyers do not add the Genesis to their shopping list. For these buyers, the overall experience of owning a luxury car (including dealership experience and brand reputation) weighs a lot in their purchase decision. I cannot imagine a traditional BMW/ Lexus buyer walking into a Hyundai dealership or taking their car in for service along with all the high school/college kids with their Hyundai Accents.

CTS does compete with the ES, Avalon, S60. ATS = IS.

Superamerica
08-20-2011, 06:21 PM
What kind of luxury car is this?!?

LOL Wait a minute. Before questioning the car's amenities or build quality, let's first make sure that the trunk release device is in fact a hinge and not a push button. I do see what looks to be a hood release lever and perhaps a gas door button. Nevertheless, with the photos so far provided, any further determination would be purely speculative.

Superamerica
08-20-2011, 06:24 PM
CTS does compete with the GS, 5, E-Class, ATS = IS.

I see. I just remember seeing magazine comparison tests putting the CTS against the 3-series and the IS. But, you're right, that might change with the introduction of the new ATS and the upcoming CTS sitting on a longer wheelbase.

chef211
08-20-2011, 06:26 PM
I see. I just remember seeing magazine comparison tests putting the CTS against the 3-series and the IS. But, you're right, that might change with the introduction of the new ATS and the upcoming CTS sitting on a longer wheelbase.

CTS = Avalon, ES, S60

pjl35
08-20-2011, 07:04 PM
CTS = Avalon, ES, S60

ok i think you're getting yourself a little confused here. the S60 competes (or attempts to compete) with the 3 series, C Class, A4, etc...the S80 would be a better comparison for the CTS

the CTS is somewhere in between 3 and 5 series size...but once the ATS shows up the CTS is going to get a little bigger and be better able to take on the midsize sedans (5 series, E, A6, etc.)

oh and CTS does NOT equal Avalon...not sure where you're getting that. if anything the 300C and the Avalon should be off on their own and both removed from this list.

anyway...how about we get back to the GS?

ndjan
08-20-2011, 07:05 PM
It's really impressive how Lexus have managed to make this car simultaneously dreadful and soul-numbingly boring. I always thought those were two mutually exclusive aesthetic spaces.


"Homely" encompasses both aesthetics.

pjl35
08-20-2011, 07:06 PM
LOL Wait a minute. Before questioning the car's amenities or build quality, let's first make sure that the trunk release device is in fact a hinge and not a push button. I do see what looks to be a hood release lever and perhaps a gas door button. Nevertheless, with the photos so far provided, any further determination would be purely speculative.

pretty sure he's referring to the exposed hinges when you open the trunk....not sure what that has to do with a push button?

chef211
08-20-2011, 07:12 PM
ok i think you're getting yourself a little confused here. the S60 competes (or attempts to compete) with the 3 series, C Class, A4, etc...the S80 would be a better comparison for the CTS

the CTS is somewhere in between 3 and 5 series size...but once the ATS shows up the CTS is going to get a little bigger and be better able to take on the midsize sedans (5 series, E, A6, etc.)

oh and CTS does NOT equal Avalon...not sure where you're getting that. if anything the 300C and the Avalon should be off on their own and both removed from this list.

anyway...how about we get back to the GS?

Well I was confused too, when I saw that, I was like WTF, The CTS don't compete against them.

chef211
08-20-2011, 07:13 PM
ok i think you're getting yourself a little confused here. the S60 competes (or attempts to compete) with the 3 series, C Class, A4, etc...the S80 would be a better comparison for the CTS

the CTS is somewhere in between 3 and 5 series size...but once the ATS shows up the CTS is going to get a little bigger and be better able to take on the midsize sedans (5 series, E, A6, etc.)

oh and CTS does NOT equal Avalon...not sure where you're getting that. if anything the 300C and the Avalon should be off on their own and both removed from this list.

anyway...how about we get back to the GS?
http://www.automotive.com/2011/101/cadillac/cts/base-sedan/341/compare/

SV
08-20-2011, 07:37 PM
http://www.automotive.com/2011/101/cadillac/cts/base-sedan/341/compare/

Just because that website says they're direct competitors doesn't mean they really are. The CTS may be cross-shopped with Avalons and ESes on occasion but its direct rivals are cars that are also mid-$30k, RWD sedans - IS, G-series, 3-Series, C-Class.

anonms
08-20-2011, 08:05 PM
LOL Wait a minute. Before questioning the car's amenities or build quality, let's first make sure that the trunk release device is in fact a hinge and not a push button. I do see what looks to be a hood release lever and perhaps a gas door button. Nevertheless, with the photos so far provided, any further determination would be purely speculative.

pretty sure he's referring to the exposed hinges when you open the trunk....not sure what that has to do with a push button?

Exactly:
http://i.imgur.com/kAvkJ.jpg

chef211
08-20-2011, 08:11 PM
Just because that website says they're direct competitors doesn't mean they really are. The CTS may be cross-shopped with Avalons and ESes on occasion but its direct rivals are cars that are also mid-$30k, RWD sedans - IS, G-series, 3-Series, C-Class.

I thought that these were the other competitors, not the direct competitors.

Superamerica
08-20-2011, 08:18 PM
pretty sure he's referring to the exposed hinges when you open the trunk....not sure what that has to do with a push button?

I see, nevermind my previous comment then. The Mercedes C-class also has exposed hinges, but I guess they are closer to the side and less obstructive. I wonder why the GS has an exposed hinge on one side and a flush hinge on the other.

Naga Royal Guard
08-20-2011, 08:48 PM
yeah jeez i was totally cross shopping between a Tundra and 328i

DoMiNo
08-21-2011, 05:10 AM
"Homely" encompasses both aesthetics.

Touché....

against the wall
08-21-2011, 06:14 AM
A picture of Tim Pawlenty behind the wheel of this would cure insomnia

JBlair
08-21-2011, 09:37 AM
I thought that these were the other competitors, not the direct competitors.
The Avalon does not compete with the CTS in any way, shape or form. It competes (extremely poorly) with the Buick Lacrosse, 300C and maybe Lincoln MKS.

The CTS' competitors are: G37, MKS, GS (to a lesser extent), 3 series/5 series (More 3er right now, but will go to 5er when the ATS debuts), E-class, TL, and Genesis. Because of the CTS' size, it has a lot of crossover between mid and large luxury/sport sedans.

Naga Royal Guard
08-24-2011, 12:50 PM
rim designs are particularly disappointing too

TdeV
08-24-2011, 01:43 PM
Ugly rear window and chrome combo ftw.

Lexus = Melted Toyota.

Nastka
08-24-2011, 08:10 PM
I'm actually surprised about how well the front translated from the concept to the production version. But everything else is just terribly unexciting.

Comrade
08-26-2011, 04:52 AM
The interior is pretty nice actually. Very unique and modern with some LF-A style. Exterior on the other hand is not that impressive.

Blackraven
08-26-2011, 05:41 PM
Lol, I cannot believe that this new 4GS is being compared to a Chrysler 300C of all things. :P

Seriously, the 4GS will wipe the floor off of any 300C anytime ;)

erzhik
08-26-2011, 06:09 PM
Lol, I cannot believe that this new 4GS is being compared to a Chrysler 300C of all things. :P

Seriously, the 4GS will wipe the floor off of any 300C anytime ;)

If they keep designing their premium cars like this, it won't be long until 300C or even Genesis will wipe the floor with GS.

IFa
08-26-2011, 07:09 PM
If they keep designing their premium cars like this, it won't be long until 300C or even Genesis will wipe the floor with GS.

Genesis maybe, 300C no chance :) American cars simply cannot compete. Lexus engineering and reliability is up there with the very best, that's their USP. Design has never quite been its selling point. Agreed, the car is bland but it's not repulsive. That'll do.

IS300M
08-27-2011, 12:43 AM
If they keep designing their premium cars like this, it won't be long until 300C or even Genesis will wipe the floor with GS.

I would already buy the Genesis over the GS, and once the 300C is armed with the 8-spd transmission I would take that over the GS.

The only thing I like on the GS is the IP, even the steering wheel is attractive (I usually never say anything nice about a 3-spoke steering wheel)

erzhik
08-27-2011, 01:43 AM
In the last 5 years the only attractive car Lexus produced is IS. LF-A doesn't count because I haven't seen one yet.

Naga Royal Guard
08-27-2011, 03:44 AM
The only thing I like on the GS is the IP, even the steering wheel is attractive (I usually never say anything nice about a 3-spoke steering wheel)

I find them preferable from an ergonomic stand point, my car has one and I find the arrangement useful.

mHawk
08-28-2011, 07:23 AM
I'm not fan of the new 2012 GS. It just looks way to vanilla for a segment littered with far better looking cars inside and out. The interior has a very BMW look to it especially the centre console. As for the exterior it just looks like a bland fusion of the Aurion and Camry. Lexus could of done so much more.

swizzle
08-28-2011, 02:43 PM
Genesis maybe, 300C no chance :) American cars simply cannot compete...

Utterly ridiculous statement! The Cadillac CTS and CTSV make no excuses and go toe to too with the likes of BMW and Mercedes and acquit themselves just fine. The 300C is very well done with gorgeous styling in person, formidable performance, and impressive build quality on examination.

against the wall
08-28-2011, 04:37 PM
whoever can convince a BMW owner to switch to a Chrysler deserves some sort of award

Superamerica
08-28-2011, 05:41 PM
whoever can convince a BMW owner to switch to a Chrysler deserves some sort of award

Many prospective 3-series buyers do consider the 300c. In fact, when the 300 came out around 2005 some people chose the Chrysler based on style and price.
The new 300c is a nice car, but not nearly as revolutionary as the outgoing model - so I don't know if people are still likely to cross-shop it and an entry-level luxury car.

IFa
08-28-2011, 07:19 PM
Utterly ridiculous statement! The Cadillac CTS and CTSV make no excuses and go toe to too with the likes of BMW and Mercedes and acquit themselves just fine. The 300C is very well done with gorgeous styling in person, formidable performance, and impressive build quality on examination.

Funny then how they only manage to sell competitively in their home market and maybe now China. It might look nice, but I'll quote Top Gear on the quality of the CTS:
"Mechanically spot-on, the CTS suffers inside. The Yanks don't mind so much about quality of plastics, but we Europeans do, and no A4 or 3-Series owner is going to be worried by this display of tackiness." As for handling - "Not the Caddy's strong suit at the moment. A 3-Series laughs in its face and dances on its grave." Overall rating 9/20

As for the 300C, I'll admit that it is much much improved but the new model is still derived off an old Merc platform. It looks superb and offers great value but is it as good as current generation German rivals? No.

Blackraven
08-29-2011, 05:48 AM
whoever can convince a BMW owner to switch to a Chrysler deserves some sort of award

Haha so true.

Also, superb build quality.....in a Chrysler??? I must seriously be in a daze :D

DoMiNo
08-29-2011, 01:06 PM
The new Chrysler interiors, while not very innovative aesthetically, are very well put together, especially relative to their predecessors.

I don't believe that comparing Chryslers with the European premiums makes much sense from a cross-shopping perspective, and it also gives a lot of elitist tools a really good opportunity to knock a brand that has actually made a lot of tangible progress over the past few years. So why don't we bring the conversation BACK ON TOPIC and continue discussion of the new GS?

Blackraven
11-19-2011, 09:27 PM
More pics.........this time of the GS350 F-sport version

http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/380489.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/380490.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/380495.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/380496.jpg

Apparently, it looks like the JDM version for Japan has front foglamps as standard equipment as well as the LED Headlamps feature being available (in overseas markets, LED headlamps for the 4GS are for the hybrid models only).

Anyways, damn, it looks really nice (F-sport version). And this gives me high hopes in case Lexus makes or builds a GS-F. :D

:)

Superamerica
11-19-2011, 10:38 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one to think this car is gorgeous. And being a Lexus, it's built like a jewel and as reliable as a Grand Seiko watch.

swizzle
11-20-2011, 01:41 PM
Many prospective 3-series buyers do consider the 300c. In fact, when the 300 came out around 2005 some people chose the Chrysler based on style and price.
The new 300c is a nice car, but not nearly as revolutionary as the outgoing model - so I don't know if people are still likely to cross-shop it and an entry-level luxury car.

American buyers ROUTINELY cross shop based on PRICE rather than type. It's one of the big complications advertisers have.

...It might look nice, but I'll quote Top Gear on the quality of the CTS:
"Mechanically spot-on, the CTS suffers inside. The Yanks don't mind so much about quality of plastics, but we Europeans do, and no A4 or 3-Series owner is going to be worried by this display of tackiness." As for handling - "Not the Caddy's strong suit at the moment. A 3-Series laughs in its face and dances on its grave." Overall rating 9/20...

And Top Gear is credible reporting? :rofl: They utterly despise all American cars so it's not surprising. These are the idiots that did a comparison test of a Mustang GT and a Lotus Elise and then bludgeoned the Mustang for not being a ghastly quality, overpriced, highly compromised kit car for the track. This is the show where Hammond crows about his pristine Mustang "GT390" and yet there never was such a model you four-foot-tall idiot!

So excuse me if I don't watch Top Gear for accurate reporting. It's great TV yes, but accurate? :nono:

Blackraven
11-20-2011, 07:01 PM
Hmm.......you know, after seeing the new 300C in the flesh (as in real life), I felt that it seemed to look a little better in real life than in pictures. It seems less bulky and bloated compared to the the previous version (which was more jagged and too brutish).

However, if I were compare this to say this new Lexus GS with the F-sport package (JDM), I would say that the new 300C would still appear to be more on the bulky compared with the Lexus which looks more sleek and dynamic.

As good as the new 300C is (or can be.......even up to SRT8 form), I still believe that it can't become a match against the Lexus GS.

Pricing? Yes. Value for money/resale? Maybe yes. Everything else? The Lexus GS will murder the 300C on those other aspects :D

Genesis Sedan? Maybe. 300C? No chance :D

If I'm forced into a situation where I can only choose ONE out of these two cars (Lexus GS 4th gen versus Chrysler 300C), I still can't see anything that would want to make get the 300C.

Heck, if this was between a Genesis R-spec 5.0 sedan versus Lexus GS, then I would have to think hard and deliberate on which car I would get. But between 300C versus 4GS, it seems that the Lexus is the no-brainer choice. In fact, it would even be harder for me to justify myself into NOT getting the Lexus and just going with the Chrysler.

Nevertheless, I commend Chrysler for what they've done so far. They've convinced me on the first Jeep product that I would consider buying (i.e. Grand Cherokee SRT8) and have actually improved since the split from Daimler. However, it needs work in some few areas (build quality concerns).........as well as to hoping that the upcoming 8-speed automatic gearbox will make it into the new 300C SRT8 and perhaps allow it to be exempt from the Gas Guzzler Tax (for those in America).

That's all :)

IcedG35
11-20-2011, 07:42 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one to think this car is gorgeous. And being a Lexus, it's built like a jewel and as reliable as a Grand Seiko watch.

those new shots of the black GS F-sport are definitely promising. the car is overstyled but at least its a departure from typical vanilla lexus styling.

haji
11-21-2011, 06:45 AM
GS250 for China
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/492/663/l01.jpg
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/492/663/l02.jpg
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20111121_492663.html

Blackraven
11-21-2011, 03:41 PM
Haji, I think the GS250 might make it to the local Japanese market....since one of its rivals (Nissan Fuga Y51) has a 2.5 liter version.

So yeah, a GS250 might make it to JDM (as part of the 4th gen GS model lineup in Japan market along with GS350 and GS450).

Anyways, here's another pic of GS 250 in another color.

http://i.imgur.com/LmxMF.jpg

:)

mtema99
11-21-2011, 04:53 PM
i must admit
i love that car
i want to ask something , why when LEXUS style it's old line-up every a lot of people said vanilla car
and now LEXUS want sporty , i found people said yuk it's overstyled
what i care most about is how it drives , how it built , it's internal design , & it's technology
and about the external design from my view it's even more better than the A6
honestly a lot better , just waiting to see it in person , which i believe , will be even better

afterace
11-21-2011, 06:14 PM
is it me, or is Lexus still giving sh*t about the European market by not offering a proper diesel engine ?

MBsam
11-21-2011, 07:00 PM
i must admit
i love that car
i want to ask something , why when LEXUS style it's old line-up every a lot of people said vanilla car
and now LEXUS want sporty , i found people said yuk it's overstyled
what i care most about is how it drives , how it built , it's internal design , & it's technology
and about the external design from my view it's even more better than the A6
honestly a lot better , just waiting to see it in person , which i believe , will be even better

Wow. Okay the problem here is that what's Lexus has done is taken the same basic Camry-inspired body shape and sides and then just grafted a flamboyant front and rear onto the car. At least from a design standpoint it's nowhere near the Audi A6. Not even close, especially the interior.

Tidal
11-21-2011, 08:03 PM
is it me, or is Lexus still giving sh*t about the European market by not offering a proper diesel engine ?

To be fair, they make a IS diesel and those didn't exactly fly out of their lots. Both the CT and the RX outsell the IS right now. Europe isn't that important for them, and the 250 will very likely be enough to increase their sales.

afterace
11-21-2011, 09:20 PM
To be fair, they make a IS diesel and those didn't exactly fly out of their lots. Both the CT and the RX outsell the IS right now. Europe isn't that important for them, and the 250 will very likely be enough to increase their sales.

One of the main problems of the IS diesel is that ITS NOT available with an automatic, an option that many premium euro customers actually go for. Plus the lack of a 6 banger oil burner puts it even further from the more modern competition. This new GS could actually have some chance beeing the newest offering in it's class, and yet not offering a big diesel on a market where most people couldn't care less about the hybrids equals the faith of the last generation for it.

Blackraven
11-22-2011, 02:27 PM
One of the main problems of the IS diesel is that ITS NOT available with an automatic, an option that many premium euro customers actually go for. Plus the lack of a 6 banger oil burner puts it even further from the more modern competition. This new GS could actually have some chance beeing the newest offering in it's class, and yet not offering a big diesel on a market where most people couldn't care less about the hybrids equals the faith of the last generation for it.

Hence, they have a GS250 for that :)

Anyways, their IS diesel was problematic. First, it only comes with a stick (which means if you don't know how to drive a stick, you're screwed). Second, the gearing of the drive ratios is way too off. Third, it was filled with problems (fifth injector, EGR, etc.). Way too unreliable for a 21st century Lexus

In the end:
Many of the owners of the IS diesel in the UK ditched their cars and got an IS250 instead. ;)

I think for the European market, the GS250 should be enough. :)

afterace
11-22-2011, 05:08 PM
It depends on what You mean be 'enough' I guess, to retain the current market share - maybe, but to steal some of the A6/5-series/E-class territory without a V6 diesel? Not in the EU.

Tidal
11-22-2011, 06:46 PM
...to retain the current market share - maybe, but to steal some of the A6/5-series/E-class territory without a V6 diesel? Not in the EU.

That's not the point of Lexus. In the US they're a rival to MB, BMW and Audi, and very successful at that. In the EU, they're an alternative to those brands.

And because they're not going for volume, developing a brand new V6 diesel just for Lexus wouldn't make any sense financially.

afterace
11-22-2011, 11:53 PM
... developing a brand new V6 diesel just for Lexus wouldn't make any sense financially.

It's not like they have only one model they could put it into....

Tidal
11-23-2011, 01:31 AM
It's not like they have only one model they could put it into....

No, they have three whole niche models where they could put it in ( GS, LS, RX ), which will this year add up to an amazing combined sales number of around 7k cars in Europe. Clearly, they're sitting in a gold mine...

Blackraven
11-29-2011, 07:17 PM
http://www.webcg.net/WEBCG/impressions/i0000025430/zoom@b76821e4fb516710b572a9fc8fe0d166.jpg

http://www.webcg.net/WEBCG/impressions/i0000025430/zoom@b7c777f4879478f5b03cb9c48573bbf8.jpg
http://www.webcg.net/WEBCG/impressions/i0000025430/zoom@98a15bab05289907f7bd5ae891a11641.jpg

The lineup
http://www.webcg.net/WEBCG/impressions/i0000025430/zoom@e045593eb3259f9f94a0a275c62f2dc8.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/01_l.jpg

Right Hand Drive GS450h regular (for overseas/export markets)
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/10_l.jpg

Left Hand Drive GS450h F-sport (for overseas/export markets)
Notice the absence of Front Fog Lamps
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/04_l.jpg

As compared to:

Right Hand Drive GS350 F-sport and GS450h F-sport (for Japan domestic market)
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/08_l.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/news/car/images/imgres165860_4_r.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/22_l.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/07_l.jpg

And the F-sport car in BLACK :)

http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/02_l.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/12_l.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/13_l.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/road_impression/2011/lexus_gs/15_l.jpg

Hot damn!!! :D

:)

MBsam
11-29-2011, 07:57 PM
That front is so STYLED AND LEXUS WANTS YOU TO KNOW IT...and then the rest is dull as an Avalon. Odd car. Doesn't look particularly expensive and we can't even say it's "tastefully understated" anymore.

boston
11-29-2011, 08:54 PM
Someone tell Nissan that Toyota made an Infiniti!

Also that dash reminds me of a revised 80's style dash

Or a MB knock off

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyboohh/3403378143/

anonms
11-29-2011, 10:06 PM
If the IS was an adorable little puppy (and to me its nose made me think of one), this is a friggen angry dog.

ndjan
11-29-2011, 10:15 PM
At the inception of lexus, the LS was important because it exuded class, just in an understated, classy kind of way. It looked expensive without looking gaudy. This just looks like a much less expensive car, not and understated expensive car. And I hat the predator grille. But the interior seriously looks amazing.

IcedG35
11-29-2011, 11:27 PM
the car looks very mismatched in those pics. that front end belongs with the sides of a Mercedes, not the slab sides that the GS has. i guess with a front end like that, Lexus could take Mercedes flame surfacing to an ever scarier level though, so the slab sides are probably for the best.

Blackraven
11-30-2011, 06:15 PM
From a Japan launching event

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l27.jpg

Here it goes:

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l07.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l01.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l06.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l08.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l09.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l10.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l11.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l12.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l13.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l14.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/494/122/l15.jpg

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20111129_494122.html

:)

MBsam
12-01-2011, 12:07 AM
Fountains = luxury, class, and elegance.

When I sat in this car at the LA Autoshow I was struck by how ordinary the interior was as well. It's much better than anything they have done before but it's still very Toyota replete with black plastic buttons and some painted silver trim. Sorry no.

haji
01-26-2012, 07:43 AM
JDM revealed today, only five months after the international debut. Whatever.
http://lexus.jp/variation/gs/
http://lexus.jp/newgs/

Blackraven
01-27-2012, 05:59 AM
http://trdparts.jp/lexus/gs/image/gs_main-image.jpg

spwolfx
01-30-2012, 11:06 PM
Fountains = luxury, class, and elegance.

When I sat in this car at the LA Autoshow I was struck by how ordinary the interior was as well. It's much better than anything they have done before but it's still very Toyota replete with black plastic buttons and some painted silver trim. Sorry no.

interesting since it has more leather, wood and real aluminium than any BMW/MB south of $100k.

JBlair
01-31-2012, 04:16 AM
interesting since it has more leather, wood and real aluminium than any BMW/MB south of $100k.
Yeah...no.

anonms
01-31-2012, 06:50 AM
interesting since it has more leather, wood and real aluminium than any BMW/MB south of $100k.

It also has a lot of black plastic buttons and tacking looking trim.

haji
10-11-2012, 09:54 AM
TRD F Sport
http://trdparts.jp/lexus/assets/img/bg/gs_2015-1.jpg
http://trdparts.jp/lexus/gs/image/gs_image_f.jpg
http://trdparts.jp/lexus/gs/image/gs_image_r.jpg
http://trdparts.jp/lexus/gs/image/gs_image_rszoom.jpg
http://trdparts.jp/lexus/gs/index.html

pjl35
01-06-2015, 07:08 PM
2016 GS-F revealed ahead of Detroit:

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/324/564/8/S3245648/slug/l/2016-lexus-gs-f-002-1.jpg

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/06/2016-lexus-gs-f-detroit-official-photos/#image-1

I assume we're getting a glimpse of the GS's facelift with some of the changes.

turbonium959
01-06-2015, 07:20 PM
Its a decent effort by Lexus, but its way too late to the game. It's low on power compared to competition, its relatively unknown in the performance field and the styling is VERY bold. Overtime this design language has grown on me not be as offensive. With the German bahn-stormers going horsepower bonkers and having to resort to all-wheel-drive, it sure would piss off plenty of the brands purists. However, cars like these are not bought for the track days. Cars like these are status symbols and Lexus, try it as they might, will never be known for "performance". This GS-F, like all other "F" Lexuses are just engineering exercises that never materialize into much. Perhaps it has not been long enough, but the "F" will need a lot more to join the prestige and reputation of the "M", AMG and the like.

Levi
01-06-2015, 07:50 PM
Nice car, not direct rival of M5/E AMG/RS6/CTS-V/XF-R, next generation will be with new V8 turbo.

swizzle
01-07-2015, 01:18 AM
2016 GS-F revealed ahead of Detroit:

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/324/564/8/S3245648/slug/l/2016-lexus-gs-f-002-1.jpg...

Oh baby! This and the CTSV will be reasons NOT to buy German!

cuisine
08-14-2015, 07:01 AM
http://www.netcarshow.com/lexus/2016-gs_200t/

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Lexus-GS_200t_2016_800x600_wallpaper_02.jpg

he Pebble Beach Concours d' Elegance, the premier concours event in the United States, is an appropriate setting for the 2016 Lexus GS models to be introduced. The GS enters 2016 with a bolder design, a new GS 200t rear-wheel drive model and new luxury finishes that match the refinement of Monterey. The Lexus GS continues to feature impressive agility and sporty handling for turns along California Highway 1, as well as comfortable ride quality for extended highway driving. This is no modest mid-size luxury sedan. The engaging performance and amenities make the GS 200t, the GS 350 or GS 450h an excellent choice for delighting enthusiast drivers as well as luxury connoisseurs.

The Lexus GS epitomizes the intersection of style and refinement with a strong rendition of the Lexus signature spindle grille for 2016, framed by elegant satin chrome trim and flanked by distinctive new standard Bi-LED headlights. The nighttime glow is unmistakably the look of Lexus.

A new front bumper and rocker panel design further sharpen the coupe-inspired profile, with the makeover extending to revised taillights, revised rear trim and new 18- and 19-inch machine-finish wheel designs. Bold design deserves bold color, and so the 2016 GS offers new Matador Red Mica, Nightfall Mica and Ultrasonic Blue Mica 2.0 among other choices. The mica colors use an extraordinarily complex multi-layered, twice-baked process previously used only for concept vehicles or custom cars.

Every year Pebble Beach brings together the best in elegance and technology from decades past. The 2016 Lexus GS presents a modern interpretation—exemplified by new interior trim selections including laser cut wood, Matte Walnut, Linear 3D and for the F SPORT, Naguri aluminum. New interior and leather colors include Chateau and Noble Brown, while the F SPORT adds Rioja Red to available choices. The analog clock located in the center of the dash is housed in a single ingot of aluminum and uses LED indicators. It adds new GPS functionality for adjusting the time zone.

Levi
08-14-2015, 09:57 AM
Nice car, just lacks muscle at the rear quarter panels.

ocn75
08-14-2015, 10:06 AM
The front light treatment is a mess. If not for the front, this would be instantly forgettable.

swizzle
08-14-2015, 02:56 PM
The front light treatment is a mess. If not for the front, this would be instantly forgettable.

That is absolutely hideous. If that is the next Lexus face the LS is doomed.

Crash
08-14-2015, 03:18 PM
That snout looks like it was added on after the fact. What a terrible design.

It was ALWAYS bad, but it's just that much worse.

swizzle
08-14-2015, 03:47 PM
That snout looks like it was added on after the fact. What a terrible design.

It was ALWAYS bad, but it's just that much worse.

And the similarity to Scion iA's face is ridiculous.

haji
11-28-2015, 04:52 PM
JDM
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/731/967/11.jpg
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/731/967/54.jpg
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/photo/20151125_731967.html
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20151125_731850.html

swizzle
11-28-2015, 05:03 PM
I hate the strangely placed Nike swoosh on the face but the rest of it I love.

paranoidgarliclover
11-29-2015, 02:56 AM
That is absolutely hideous. If that is the next Lexus face the LS is doomed.

Whatever concept car that Lexus recently put out indicates that the rear end will be just as offensive, unfortunately....

swizzle
11-29-2015, 03:59 AM
Whatever concept car that Lexus recently put out indicates that the rear end will be just as offensive, unfortunately....

At least is is not dull like Audi styling or recycled like BMW is doing. Is the GS gorgeous? Nope, not by a long shot, but it does "attitudinal" very well. The Lexus look has grown on me slightly.

Blackraven
11-29-2015, 12:22 PM
Wow so fast. It's now available in the Philippines as well (Same Week Release as Japan)

http://cdn.autoindustriya.com/images/posts/post7746.jpg
http://cdn.autoindustriya.com/images/posts/post7746_3.jpg
http://cdn.autoindustriya.com/images/posts/post7746_1.jpg
http://cdn.autoindustriya.com/images/posts/post7746_2.jpg

swizzle
11-29-2015, 04:21 PM
Wow so fast. It's now available in the Philippines as well (Same Week Release as Japan)...

Interesting. I'm actually surprised it is sold it the Philippines. I would have assumed in that market they would just sell the Toyota Crown Athlete. And don't get me started on why the Toyota and Lexus are differently styled when for all intents and purposes they are the same car.

Blackraven
11-29-2015, 09:15 PM
Interesting. I'm actually surprised it is sold it the Philippines. I would have assumed in that market they would just sell the Toyota Crown Athlete. And don't get me started on why the Toyota and Lexus are differently styled when for all intents and purposes they are the same car.

Yup we do. In fact, more than 60 markets worldwide will offer this new GS-F.
In any case, Lexus (c/o of Lexus Manila) has come a long way since the brand arrived in our shores back in March 2012. The lineup has grown from 3rd gen GS, IS300 all the way to the full lineup including F Sport and F Sport cars....

The brand has really grown and evolved in the local scene =)

http://www.nomurakougei.co.jp/chinese/nomura_design/en/professional/hirata/img/pic-artwork02_001.jpg
http://www.nomurakougei.co.jp/chinese/nomura_design/en/professional/hirata/img/pic-artwork02_002.jpg
http://www.nomurakougei.co.jp/chinese/nomura_design/en/professional/hirata/img/pic-artwork02_003.jpg
http://www.nomurakougei.co.jp/chinese/nomura_design/en/professional/hirata/img/pic-artwork02_004.jpg

paranoidgarliclover
11-29-2015, 09:59 PM
At least is is not dull like Audi styling or recycled like BMW is doing.

This is true. For me, the primary traits that a Lexus must have are outstanding reliability and a quiet (although not necessarily soft) ride. Lexus's fit and finish no longer impress as much as they once did, although at least the interiors are getting a much needed injection of style. As long as the produce reliable cars, people will forgive the styling.

I assume Audi and BMW can justify the total lack of progression in their interior/exterior design with the fact that their packing so much tech into the cars; I just wish the tech were actually useful and reliable. :P

swizzle
11-30-2015, 12:26 AM
Yup we do. In fact, more than 60 markets worldwide will offer this new GS-F.
In any case, Lexus (c/o of Lexus Manila) has come a long way since the brand arrived in our shores back in March 2012. The lineup has grown from 3rd gen GS, IS300 all the way to the full lineup including F Sport and F Sport cars....

The brand has really grown and evolved in the local scene =)

http://www.nomurakougei.co.jp/chinese/nomura_design/en/professional/hirata/img/pic-artwork02_001.jpg
http://www.nomurakougei.co.jp/chinese/nomura_design/en/professional/hirata/img/pic-artwork02_002.jpg
http://www.nomurakougei.co.jp/chinese/nomura_design/en/professional/hirata/img/pic-artwork02_003.jpg
http://www.nomurakougei.co.jp/chinese/nomura_design/en/professional/hirata/img/pic-artwork02_004.jpg

They need THAT in the USA because that is POSH. WOW

swizzle
11-30-2015, 12:29 AM
This is true. For me, the primary traits that a Lexus must have are outstanding reliability and a quiet (although not necessarily soft) ride. Lexus's fit and finish no longer impress as much as they once did, although at least the interiors are getting a much needed injection of style. As long as the produce reliable cars, people will forgive the styling.

I assume Audi and BMW can justify the total lack of progression in their interior/exterior design with the fact that their packing so much tech into the cars; I just wish the tech were actually useful and reliable. :P

Lexus is at a nexus. Lexus has not displaced the Germans entirely and now Genesis is gunning for them.

Genesis is a major threat over time to Lexus. I'd take a Genesis G80 (current Genesis) over a GS.

Hyundai reliability easily matches Toyota.

paranoidgarliclover
11-30-2015, 06:31 AM
Lexus is at a nexus. Lexus has not displaced the Germans entirely and now Genesis is gunning for them.

Genesis is a major threat over time to Lexus. I'd take a Genesis G80 (current Genesis) over a GS.

Hyundai reliability easily matches Toyota.

I haven't recently looked at reliability data for Hyundai, so I can't comment about that.

Lexus has given up trying to take on the "Big 3" in Germany (there's an article in one of the car mags that a Lexus exec said it was impossible trying to match them). Lexus has frequently been 1-3 in terms of sales in the U.S. (vs. other mainstream luxury makes).

I do agree that Lexus needs to watch out for Hyundai.... And, to a lesser extent, Buick. I don't think there's going to be much (if anything) separating the next-gen LaCrosse from an Avalon or an ES (aside from resale value).

I also think Toyota/Honda need to look for Hyundai/Kia....

swizzle
11-30-2015, 02:37 PM
...I do agree that Lexus needs to watch out for Hyundai.... And, to a lesser extent, Buick.....

If priced right, the Continental could have a major impact of Lexus sales.

haji
10-25-2017, 07:47 AM
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/1087/937/13_o.jpg
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/1087/937/16_o.jpg
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1087937.html