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TURK
12-08-2005, 10:50 PM
According to The Car connection, it will be at Detroit,base on a stretch 300c platform <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

62Lincoln
12-09-2005, 08:02 AM
pimpin. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

the future
12-09-2005, 11:09 AM
GREAT!!! This is just great news! Once, I made an ugly photoshop of a streched 300 called "Nassau", but I would never have thought that they will really build such a car.<p>I have always enjoyed big black American limousines, and thus like watching mafia movies from the seventies (especially The Godfahter, part II). For this reason I didn't like to see these cars go, and it's a shame that the largest Chrysler measures only 5 meters (that's about one meter under). Now, it's just amazing that Chrysler brings back a real road cruiser. I hope that it won't stay a concept...

Charger
12-09-2005, 11:34 AM
This is great news. Chrysler is on its way. I wonder if this thing is going to have a monster engine to steal the show like that have the past couple of auto shows. (Tomahawk, ME412 etc.)

geary
12-09-2005, 06:20 PM
This can't be the Chrysler sedan we've been seeing in the spyshots. Something bigger, eh?<br>

Monkey
12-09-2005, 07:52 PM
I also read on Detroit News they are trying to get into the Limo business with the 300. Any connection?

Nurburgring
12-11-2005, 08:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Monkey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I also read on Detroit News they are trying to get into the Limo business with the 300. Any connection?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>No there's no connection, I believe. If they're makin a 300 limousine, they'lll make it super long. The Imperial will be just on a little bit stretched platform of the 300, Charger and Magnum. In english, it might use the HEMI~@!

Monkey
12-12-2005, 06:40 AM
Actually the article says they are adding only 6 inches to the overall length. While I don't believe they are (or will be) the same car, I am curious if the inside info on an Imperial is merely speculation formed around the development of the limo.

63Bonneville
12-12-2005, 11:33 AM
This is one concept (one of many) that I'm looking forward to this show season! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I really admire the Chrysler 300 & 300C, it had great road presence and curbside appeal, but the only thing I never liked is the lack of length (even though it's wheelbase is 120"), it's width & height are fine. Even it's platform-mate, the Dodge Charger is some 3-3.5" longer. Others like the 2006 Impala and Ford 500/Mercury Montego have a little more length than the 300, as does the Buick Lucerne and especially the Caddy DTS. Even it's predecessor, the Concorde/LHS had more length. <br>I hope the Imperial would be for production, it would be a nice step up from the 300C and fit just below Mercedes. <br>Funny thing: if the Imperial materializes, and if a movie remake of the Green Hornet is produced, some movie director would probably like to get a hold of it and cast it as his ride! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

bolita
12-13-2005, 12:18 PM
A little over a month ago I saw a 300 limo in NY and looked pretty good!<br>I am certain that the Imperial woill not by simply a stretched 300.

63Bonneville
12-13-2005, 12:31 PM
I've seen stretch-limo 300's too, pretty nice!<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>It's speculation at this point, but I would like to see the LX based Imperial in the show circuit and I hope a positive business case is made and it reaches production, that would be outstanding <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

the future
12-14-2005, 03:57 AM
<A HREF="http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1965/SpottersGuide/65limocolor.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr...r.jpg</A><p>That's what it should look like IMHO, just 40 years more modern...

63Bonneville
12-14-2005, 11:24 AM
Nice pic of that vintage (60s era) Imperial Limo, and I believe a factory, not aftermarket limo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>It's amazing, looking at that pic, that huge vehicle has only little (by today's standards) 15" wheels, steel wheels with wheel covers (hub caps), yet, they carry it well. It must be the white-walls creating the illusion of mass or fill on it's tall sidewalls, making it seem pretty complete. The longer-lower-wider design of that period may contribute to that, too. The large overhangs may help as well, just a couple of guesses.<br>Imperial was a full line, with sedans, 2-door coupes and even convertibles. Some may remember the white Imperial convertible used in the 1963 film, It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, driven by Milton Berle, with Dorothy Provine and Ethyl Merman as passengers. It was quite painful to see it got rammed in the back end by a moving van-type truck driven by Jonathan Winters. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Just something I wanted to point out while on the subject of Imperials.

IS300M
12-20-2005, 09:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is one concept (one of many) that I'm looking forward to this show season!<br>I really admire the Chrysler 300 & 300C, it had great road presence and curbside appeal, but the only thing I never liked is the lack of length (even though it's wheelbase is 120"), it's width & height are fine. Even it's platform-mate, the Dodge Charger is some 3-3.5" longer. Others like the 2006 Impala and Ford 500/Mercury Montego have a little more length than the 300, as does the Buick Lucerne and especially the Caddy DTS. Even it's predecessor, the Concorde/LHS had more length.<br>I hope the Imperial would be for production, it would be a nice step up from the 300C and fit just below Mercedes.<br>Funny thing: if the Imperial materializes, and if a movie remake of the Green Hornet is produced, some movie director would probably like to get a hold of it and cast it as his ride! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The reason the 300C was kept short, was the intended use in Europe, if I can remember correctly, cars in Europe over 5 meters long get some absurd tax imposed on them, so Chrysler kept the 300 under 5 meters, just like the previous 300M was under 5 meters, how ever because the Concorde, LHS, and Intrepid were never intended to be sold in Europe, they did not have to be under 5 meters in length.

63Bonneville
12-20-2005, 02:22 PM
Yes, I see what your saying; the 300 sedan is marketed in Europe as is the Dodge Magnum-like wagon like edition (with the 300 nose), both are within 5 meters, but the Charger, which is a little longer, is for the American market. Same with the other models I mentioned, Ford 500, Buick Lucerne, Caddy DTS, etc., all for the American market. I'm sure that an Imperial would also be exclusive to the American market, too. <br>I gather that's the reason why the Caddy STS is also at 5 meters in length, for European marketing. <br>Also, of note, two different length wheelbases of certain upmarket models, Benz S-class, BMW 7-Series, Audi, A8... one 5 meters, one longer. The longer may have the American market in mind. Of course you have the big-boys like the Rolls Phantom, Maybachs & full-sized Bentleys, which well exceed the size.

mzoltarp
12-26-2005, 03:45 PM
My kingdom for a picture

63Bonneville
12-26-2005, 05:35 PM
I haven't heard much more mention of the Imperial. Sites such as <A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.com</A> and <A HREF="http://www.allpar.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.allpar.com</A> seem to have talked about it, indicating it's not merely a long-wheelbase 300. No pics have yet surfaced, not even teasers, so, I share your anticipation. I'm not a negative thinker, but I really hope for it showing, and not a letdown by a non-appearance. There's much ado now about the LA & Detroit shows, and some companies are being tight lipped until press days for both. <br>Just want to mention, while we're on the subject on Imperials: there were a couple of forgetable Imperials... The early 80s 2-door coupe with a bustle-back and based on the LeBaron(later New Yorker) and Diplomat (those themselves based in the Aspen/Volare chassis) and had a front-end cap sporting retractable headlamps. At least this version was rear-wheel drive. Then there was the early 90s version, based on the front-wheel drive New Yorker/Dynasty (those themselves possibly based on the K-car platform), but stretched. Anybody remember those? They were a humbled and far cry from the original and mighty Imperials. The anticipated version, I'm sure, will be worthy of the name!

wdc
12-28-2005, 12:18 AM
check out the issue of Motor Trend that is just hitting the stands (February). The Imperial is on the cover along with the new Dodge Challenger and there are more pics inside. The Imperial is a dead ringer for the current Rolls Royce Phantom... except uglier (if that is possible). The roof line and rear door design totally mimic the Phantom. In my opinion it is a miss for DCX, their first in a long time. The car looks absolutely nothing like a 300.

against the wall
12-28-2005, 08:21 AM
dammit, why does motortrend always get to my mailbox a week after everyone gets their issue? im sick of it.<br>anybody who has this issue already can they post scans or something?

Naga Royal Guard
12-28-2005, 09:27 AM
post photograhps, does it look good?

Charger
12-28-2005, 09:57 AM
<A HREF="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/vdubjetta/NAIAS002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albu...2.jpg</A><p>Challenger and back view of Imperial<br><A HREF="http://photobucket.com/albums/y246/vdubjetta/?action=view&current=NAIAS003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg</A><p>Looks pretty good, was hoping more for a Chronos type style but this pretty good.

SV
12-28-2005, 10:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dammit, why does motortrend always get to my mailbox a week after everyone gets their issue? im sick of it.<br>anybody who has this issue already can they post scans or something?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>it seems like i always get my issues of MT or C/D way after everyone else, as well. i guess just different printing runs or something <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>thanks for the pics charger...hmm, it looks nice, it would be great if they put this in production, a modern interpretation of an old-fashioned bargelike american luxury sedan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

63Bonneville
12-28-2005, 11:03 AM
I should be receiving my Feb. 06 Motor Trend issue via mail soon, if it's just hitting the newsstands now. If the Imperial mimics the RR Phantom, I feel that's a good thing. I love the Phantom, it's stately, large, and proud, long wide & tall! It's locomotive-like and stands head and shoulders above the crowd, after all, it is a Rolls! I can't wait to see more pics of the Imperial, and see it in person at the New York International Auto Show, where I will be attending in Spring when it arrives. I hope the Imperial sees production, as well as the Firepower, both can use existing mechanicals & components and be low-volume image builders. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Soul Man
12-28-2005, 12:56 PM
personally i dislike the fact that the imperial mimicks the phantom so much. i mean the 300 mimicked a bentley in the front end, but it was done more of an imitation is the sincereist form of flattery type thing, becuase everywhere else the car has a boldness that really cant be compared to a bentley, it pretty much just the nose. this car on the other hand just reaks RR phantom to me, and not ina good way. ina ll honesty if some chinese automaker had been showing this off wed rpobably all be screaming at the fact that they are getting away with copying a phantom and selling it for less. this imperials design is just wya to unoriginal, i understand part of it is to mimick a higher end car as the 300 did and succeeded, but this just goes to the point of nearly copying. frankly im pretty dissapointed at chrysler at this point, but ills ave my true and final thoughts until i atleast see oem better pics, hopefully if chrysler does produce this theyll make the production one a little more original

caarmike
12-28-2005, 08:41 PM
Its too short and stumpy, an Imperial should be big and grand. I was expecting soemthing more like a Cadillac Sixteen. Since this is a concept they should just go nuts, I don't see why this has to be so conservative.

AXLE
12-28-2005, 10:17 PM
Maybe its already preped for production caarmike??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I like it, looks really nice, although a longer hood would not have went astray.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AXLE at 3:23 AM 12/29/2005</i>

63Bonneville
12-28-2005, 10:32 PM
That pic looks like the magazine was placed on a table and taken with a digital camera, and of course, the magazine was not perfectly flat, so it adds distortion to the double-page spread shot of the Imperial. Also, the gutter between the pages falls in the middle of the wheelbase shot, adding further distortion. The size an all the glory of the car can't be judged by this. Soon we'll be seeing lots more studio shots of this as well as press/exibit shots at the show premiere and they'll be all over the internet and the automotive rags! I'm sure the upcoming pics will be much more grander and dramatic with nice lighting and angles, and it'll be tremendous in person.<br>Being a higher end model than the 300/300C, I'm certain it's larger: The wheelbase must be longer, and there appears to be more rear overhang than the regular 300. The wheels must be at least 22" on this concept and it also appears taller than the 300, more stately, like a 50s car. <br>I can't wait to see more shots and see some specs on this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

wdc
12-29-2005, 07:05 AM
couple things:<p>while the scan or pic from the mag looks a little folded the car does seem too stumpy, at least to me. and too tall. needs to be stretched out longer I think and have less stump to it.<p>personally I am with soulman. way too much of a copy of the RR and not nearly enough of a big American luxo barge. I like the idea of Chrysler doing a high end luxury sedan but they need a more original American style that has more cues from their heritage (the article says they drew inspiration from the Exner Imperials but I can't see it, like I said I just see a downgraded Rolls). <p>One thing on the 300 mimicing the Bentley. I know many have said that but if you really look at the 300C front end and that of the 1957 300C you can clearly see that the designer drew inspiration from the '57 not from Bentley. The grill is clearly a modern interpretation of the 57's grill as are, in my opinion, the quad headlamp treatments.

Soul Man
12-29-2005, 09:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wdc</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">couple things:<p> <p>One thing on the 300 mimicing the Bentley. I know many have said that but if you really look at the 300C front end and that of the 1957 300C you can clearly see that the designer drew inspiration from the '57 not from Bentley. The grill is clearly a modern interpretation of the 57's grill as are, in my opinion, the quad headlamp treatments.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i agree the idea of the imperial is nice for chrysler i just think the execution is to phantom like.<p>personally i still see more bentley then 57 300 in teh 300C's front end, although i do see soemwhat where your comign from. IMO the car on the LX platform the shares the most cues with the original 300 is the new charger<br><IMG SRC="http://www.madle.org/300c3.JPG" BORDER="0"> (madle.org)<br><IMG SRC="http://www.vseries.net/gallery/data/500/85CHARGER1.JPG" BORDER="0"> (vseries.net)<br>similar quad headlamp setup, similar grille, this is much more of a modern interpretation of the original 300 IMO minus the eggcrate grille (which the 300 took) sidenote: i think the pic of the 300 i have is a 58, i forget what the differences were but they were subtle for 57 and 58 if i remmebr correctly so the main design elements are essentially the same)

SELLER
12-29-2005, 11:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/vdubjetta/NAIAS002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albu...2.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>First we got the "Cheap Mans Bentley" with the 300, now we have the "Cheap Mans RollsRoyce" with this new concept... looks pretty hot.

63Bonneville
12-29-2005, 12:29 PM
I can see with the coach doors (the auto manufacturers don't like to refer to them as suicide doors), height, grill theme and side sculpting, it favors the Phantom... not a bad thing. I don't think the coach/suicide doors will reach production, or I could be wrong: I was informed that there are custom suicide-door conversions available (or soon available) for the 300/300C, just like with the scissor/Lamborghini-style (front) doors. At one of my car shows/cruise nights in '05, there was a gentleman with a custom 300 with the scissor front doors, and he informed me of this, claiming he was going to go for the suicide rear doors addition to his ride in '06. <br>Also, the concept, as I said previously, appears to have 22" wheels. I understand the LX platform is engineered to accept 22" wheels as max through tuners and customizers. All the SRT's have 20" wheels, and the Imperial, being high-end and lower volume, could have 20 inchers. Engine-wise, it'll have to have the 5.7L hemi as base and the SRT 6.1L upgrade.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by 63Bonneville at 12:52 PM 12/29/2005</i>

Banker
12-29-2005, 01:47 PM
This is a smart move by DCX. I can't wait to see it. This will be a huge sales success.

-Peter-
12-29-2005, 02:08 PM
Why not something like this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <A HREF="http://images2.fotopic.net/?iid=y3izlw&noresize=1&nostamp=1&quality=70" TARGET="_blank">Chrysler New Yorker by Peter</A> <p>that was my contest-entry in few years ago <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
12-30-2005, 07:40 AM
<A HREF="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/File0110.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i7.photobucket.com/albu...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/File0105.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i7.photobucket.com/albu...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/File0109.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i7.photobucket.com/albu...9.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/hfyyiytrcvbnk65.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i7.photobucket.com/albu...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.motortrend.com/" TARGET="_blank">MotorTrend</A><br> <br>

Charger
12-30-2005, 10:05 AM
Thanks for the better pics. That looks awesome!!!

eF
12-30-2005, 10:22 AM
<br>What stroke me about this car is, that a few days ago it occured to me, that Chrysler could make a bigger-better-more luxurious version of 300C. <p>And now I see these pictures... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I don't believe in telepathy and all that mental stuff, but it's strange, isn't it? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

The Water Is Poison
12-30-2005, 11:48 AM
That tail end looks awesome, very crossfire-y

62Lincoln
12-30-2005, 12:17 PM
Looks like I will be the naysayer, this car is not attractive. It reminds me of the first generation Korean attempts at 'luxury' cars. Very poor surface development. I dislike the high beltline, but that's a personal preference. This car looks more like an old Checker Cab than an Imperial: <A HREF="http://www.checkertaxistand.com/index.php?set_albumName=2004-Checker-Car-Club-National-Meeting&id=kz040038&option=com_gallery&Itemid=29&include=view_photo.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.checkertaxistand.co...o.php</A> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

-Peter-
12-30-2005, 02:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Soul Man</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">personally i dislike the fact that the imperial mimicks the phantom so much. i mean the 300 mimicked a bentley in the front end, but it was done more of an imitation is the sincereist form of flattery type thing, becuase everywhere else the car has a boldness that really cant be compared to a bentley, it pretty much just the nose. this car on the other hand just reaks RR phantom to me, and not ina good way. <B> ina ll honesty if some chinese automaker had been showing this off wed rpobably all be screaming at the fact that they are getting away with copying a phantom and selling it for less.</B> this imperials design is just wya to unoriginal, i understand part of it is to mimick a higher end car as the 300 did and succeeded, but this just goes to the point of nearly copying. frankly im pretty dissapointed at chrysler at this point, but ills ave my true and final thoughts until i atleast see oem better pics, hopefully if chrysler does produce this theyll make the production one a little more original</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I couldnt have said it better, you said just what i was going to say <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

bm88
12-30-2005, 03:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Soul Man</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">personally i dislike the fact that the imperial mimicks the phantom so much. i mean the 300 mimicked a bentley in the front end, but it was done more of an imitation is the sincereist form of flattery type thing, becuase everywhere else the car has a boldness that really cant be compared to a bentley, it pretty much just the nose. this car on the other hand just reaks RR phantom to me, and not ina good way. <B> ina ll honesty if some chinese automaker had been showing this off wed rpobably all be screaming at the fact that they are getting away with copying a phantom and selling it for less.</B> this imperials design is just wya to unoriginal, i understand part of it is to mimick a higher end car as the 300 did and succeeded, but this just goes to the point of nearly copying. frankly im pretty dissapointed at chrysler at this point, but ills ave my true and final thoughts until i atleast see oem better pics, hopefully if chrysler does produce this theyll make the production one a little more original</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sadly, thats very true.<p>I think that it looks a little like a Rolls Royce Phantom given the age old Bentley treatment.

Philsshon
12-30-2005, 07:46 PM
I like the idea of this car, but the grill needs vertical lines, not horizontal. I think we'll see something like this on the road in 2008. Give it the sr8 engie, and it could be hit

knihc2008
12-30-2005, 08:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Soul Man</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">personally i dislike the fact that the imperial mimicks the phantom so much. i mean the 300 mimicked a bentley in the front end, but it was done more of an imitation is the sincereist form of flattery type thing, becuase everywhere else the car has a boldness that really cant be compared to a bentley, it pretty much just the nose. this car on the other hand just reaks RR phantom to me, and not ina good way. ina ll honesty if some chinese automaker had been showing this off wed rpobably all be screaming at the fact that they are getting away with copying a phantom and selling it for less. this imperials design is just wya to unoriginal, i understand part of it is to mimick a higher end car as the 300 did and succeeded, but this just goes to the point of nearly copying. frankly im pretty dissapointed at chrysler at this point, but ills ave my true and final thoughts until i atleast see oem better pics, hopefully if chrysler does produce this theyll make the production one a little more original</TD></TR></TABLE><p>agreed, and sadly enough the execution of this car doesn't look all that great, it does in fact look like a chinese-quality copy of a phantom. not very attractive at all, but what kills is how beautiful this car could have been, with the roll chrysler has been on lately.<p>and what's with the 4x4 ride height?

against the wall
12-30-2005, 09:11 PM
i see phantom in the side, flying spur in the rear, and something just went wrong with the front. it just looks odd. cant tell much about the interior.

nismo
12-31-2005, 05:57 PM
I want to like this but it too unoriginal...<p>Hopefully they'll change it some if they bring it to production.

Krypton
12-31-2005, 06:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">agreed, and sadly enough the execution of this car doesn't look all that great, it does in fact look like a chinese-quality copy of a phantom. not .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>this pretty much says everything, I usually never compare one car with another but this looks like a short copy of the Phantom

JBlair
12-31-2005, 06:55 PM
The reason why it looks awkward is very simple; even though Chrysler increased the length, the concept is close to 6 inches taller than a regular 300. By doing that, they made the car look stubbier and more 'econocar' than I think they intended.

62Lincoln
01-01-2006, 01:50 PM
I <B>finally</B> remembered the other car this car unfortunately resembles...the Studebaker Lark: <p><A HREF="http://www.ritzsite.demon.nl/Lark/Lark8.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ritzsite.demon.nl/Lark/Lark8.htm</A>

jijboi25
01-02-2006, 11:31 AM
New pictures and details about the Imperial on Autoweek.com<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060102/FREE/51229003/1008" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/apps/p.../1008</A><p>I think it doesnt look that bad <IMG SRC="http://www.myspacetweaks.com/smilies/10/icon_confused.gif" BORDER="0">

Pavilion
01-02-2006, 12:32 PM
I am stunned and amazed. This is the car I can't wait to see built. Sexy and bold. I wish more production cars ended up like their concept counterparts. The 300c was a breath of fresh air to see a great car from an American company and the direction of the Imperial (although derivative) works so well. I really like where Chrysler is headed. <p>Now if only the Sebring comes out ok............<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

kuules
01-02-2006, 12:51 PM
Bigger pictures:<p><A HREF="http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7059/17pe2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7059/17pe2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6384/20qp.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6384/20qp.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8525/39dd.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8525/39dd.jpg</A>

Gian86
01-02-2006, 04:29 PM
Here's clear pics on that is on that article from autoweek.com:<p><IMG SRC="http://cwimg.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CW&Date=20060102&Category=FREE&ArtNo=51229003&Ref=V3&Profile=1008&MaxW=490" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cwimg.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CW&Date=20060102&Category=FREE&ArtNo=51229003&Ref=V4&Profile=1008&MaxW=490" BORDER="0"><p>Looks nice and modern classic.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian86 at 10:04 AM 1/3/2006</i>

caarmike
01-02-2006, 05:31 PM
This thing is incredibly awkward looking. Its looks like its riding on a truck platform or something. Its even worse than that K-Car Imperial from the 90s. Wake me up when they do a real Imperial.

JBlair
01-02-2006, 07:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>caarmike</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This thing is incredibly awkward looking. Its looks like its riding on a truck platform or something. Its even worse than that K-Car Imperial from the 90s. Wake me up when they do a real Imperial.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Two things contribute to that: the outrageous concept-car size tires, and the incredibly tall height of the vehicle.

63Bonneville
01-02-2006, 08:44 PM
Those are great pics; I have the Autoweek issue myself. The car is substantially sized: 214" in length, 1 inch shy overall of the short-wheelbase Lincoln Towncar which is 215", long-wheelbase (mainly used for limos & livery) is 221". It's wheelbase is 123", 3 inches greater than the 300/Charger/Magnum (120"). The height is 6" taller than the 300, which accounts for the proportions, but will be head & shoulders above many sedans, like a 50s car, that'll be good for commanding ride height and presence. The 22" wheels could be replaced with 20" for production, even though the LX platform is engineered to accommodate 22" wheels, so you'll never know. I hope this is greenlighted, along with the Challenger, the lineup will be yet further superior and will cause the competition to develop more substantial products to compete! I love how the industry has come light-years from the boxy, lackluster 80s and improved but generic 90s products.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by 63Bonneville at 4:45 AM 1/3/2006</i>

JBlair
01-02-2006, 09:34 PM
Seeing this, I could envision a production version based on LY retaining the blocky big-sedan proportions, while the LY-based 300 replacement could move to a more organic Chronos-like shape.

Bass-o-Matic
01-03-2006, 07:08 AM
I just said the same thing to a co-worker. The unfortunate thing is that the height of the vehicle (and the thickness of the body-section, which they've tried to camouflage with "tiering" and offsets) make it look kind of narrow. This doesn't go with the whole "Forward Look" Exner influence that's been referenced in magazines regarding this concept. It also doesn't really feel very "American" because of it; American Luxury has long been associated with a "Long & Wide" ethic missing here. Not to say that there isn't room for a different proportion or that "Long & Wide" doesn't conjure up a somewhat irresponsible image but, this is, afterall, an American Luxury Car.<p>A few posts back, someone mentioned the horizontal vanes in the grille. I think this is one attempt to try to emphasize width that the designers have used (along with the sectioning of the thick body section). Not enough, in my book.<p>Too bad, because I think that Chrysler does, in fact, have a great opportunity to bridge Lincoln & Cadillac as American Luxury icons (and who would have thought that 10 years ago?). I hope they re-think this car before (if) it goes into production.

kuules
01-03-2006, 01:45 PM
Big photos:<p><IMG SRC="http://autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/01.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/02.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/03.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/04.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/05.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/06.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>(c) autoweek.com

63Bonneville
01-03-2006, 02:06 PM
Thanks for those hi-res posts! Now this makes the vehicle even more elegant and brilliant. This must be amazing in person. I realize that not all items will make production, but I do hope the Imperial is definitely green-lighted and remains close to the concept.

JBlair
01-03-2006, 02:08 PM
That latest 3/4 front shot really changes my mind about the Imperial. Instead of looking goofy and rather Korean, it looks powerful and incredibly american.

LEXUS FAN!
01-03-2006, 04:33 PM
Is it just me or does this not look VERY similar to the Rolls Royce Phantom?

against the wall
01-03-2006, 07:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it just me or does this not look VERY similar to the Rolls Royce Phantom?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>if u read the rest of the thread, you will see its not just you. <br>the more i look at this the less phantom i see. i mean the overall shape is still there, but this has more curves and stuff. still dont like the front though.

erzhik
01-06-2006, 05:53 PM
what is it? short and ugly phantom?

Santeno
01-06-2006, 06:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what is it? short and ugly phantom? </TD></TR></TABLE><br>It's not really a phantom. It's more a phantom-lite. I guess you could call it a spook. Kind of like a phantom for your plumber.<p>Handsome design overall, even if BMW did it first. At least here it's not as slab-sided and the proportions seem better balanced than on the real phantom (which looks front heavy and is as big as a locomotive).<p>Still there are flaws. The most glaring one being the grill. It really looks like it was placed on the car with sticky tape at the last minute. There has to be someone at DCX who can create a better fitting and more flattering grill design (perhaps Chrysler might want to tap some of MB's grill designers who seem to have that move down pat).<p>Overall a handsome if somewhat rehashed design. Chrysler will sell tons of them to everyone who fancies themselves a roller driver but could never afford one.

creon448
01-07-2006, 04:27 PM
The relationship between the Imperial and Phantom most likely stems from the fact that the design inspirations of both cars harkens back to the 30's and 40's. There are some similarities in the proportions of the Imperial and Phantom, but to say that the Imperial is a "rip off" of the Phantom design is not accurate.<p><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/99-rolls-royce-phantom.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...m.jpg</A><p>Source: Channel 4

Gian86
01-08-2006, 07:24 PM
Motor Show pics:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/04.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/05.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/06.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/07.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/08.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/09.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/10.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/11.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/12.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/13.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/14.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/15.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chrysler/imperial/images/16.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Autoweek.com

kid
01-08-2006, 08:30 PM
any high res pics yet??

GoLeafsGO
01-08-2006, 08:43 PM
altezza lights? egad!<p>well, swap out the interior for the 300's and I think we've got a production car.

CWW
01-09-2006, 07:59 AM
Please feel free to have a look at my coup impression:<p><A HREF="http://www.cww.at/cars/chrysler_imperial_coupe.html" TARGET="_blank">&lt;&lt; Imperial Coup &gt;&gt;</A><p><A HREF="http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imperial1large2to.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9529/imperial1large2to.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><A HREF="http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imperial2large4ug.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/1576/imperial2large4ug.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><A HREF="http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imperial3large5ss.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/1077/imperial3large5ss.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><A HREF="http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imperial4large2zo.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/5811/imperial4large2zo.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

kid
01-09-2006, 03:56 PM
thanks for the high res photos...been waitin for these to do a chop of em

63Bonneville
01-09-2006, 10:28 PM
Those press photos from the show intro are outrageous! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>These really show the presence and brilliance of the Imperial! The even better than the Motor Trend and Autoweek pics. I also saw some TV news footage from the Detroit show, with the Challenger and the Imperial on stage, they looked amazing. I'm sure the photos do them no justice. <br>I hope they give them the nod, they're very feasible, I even saw some comments somewhere that Chrysler wants to upgrade manufacturing plants, if I'm correct, maybe that's an indication to allow for these models. Please DCX, let this get the green-light, it'll be a great higher-end image building niche offering!

JBlair
01-09-2006, 10:34 PM
Earliest production date would be 2009, since its based on the LX platform and all LX factories are currently at capacity.

PlatForm
01-10-2006, 03:27 AM
a lot Phantom influence in this car.<br>btw,Phantom still the best.<p>plus,people prefer a british car than american car in luxury market.

DaDesign
01-10-2006, 10:22 AM
the car looks great, i just dont like the headlights with the black background it would have been way better with silver or body color.

GerjurdKing
01-10-2006, 11:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>63Bonneville</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I hope they give them the nod, they're very feasible, I even saw some comments somewhere that Chrysler wants to upgrade manufacturing plants, if I'm correct, maybe that's an indication to allow for these models. Please DCX, let this get the green-light, it'll be a great higher-end image building niche offering!</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Well I believe both the Imperial and Challenger are on the LX platform so these would have to be built along side the Charger, Magnum, and 300. Seems like a lot for one assembly plant.

63Bonneville
01-10-2006, 12:51 PM
That's correct, the Imperial and the Challenger are on the LX platform. Once plant upgrades/expansion is put forth, which I believe there is intent, they would be built alongside the 300/Magnum/Charger lines.<br>This would be one juicy product line!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-10-2006, 12:56 PM
They can't be built on LX, since there is no production space. The plant upgrades and expansion will be implented for the LY platform starting around 2009.

Cozz
01-11-2006, 06:35 AM
I'm impressed.<p>Just chop that front grill like the roof, shorter.

mzoltarp
01-11-2006, 07:09 AM
looks better than the original pix indicated. Way cool. Build it

GerjurdKing
01-11-2006, 02:14 PM
The car looks great but the grille needs work. Also, why brown? I think the colour choice for the concept is hurting. The 300C concept (not the Nassau) had an amazing colour.

davidesign
01-11-2006, 04:23 PM
See my post over in Photoshops, <A HREF="http://carspyshots.net/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=371" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.net/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=371</A><br>for one glaring aspect of this monstrosity.<br>That back end works great as the front end of a truck.

DrPetrus
01-11-2006, 06:34 PM
It's a Bentley rip-off. I'm surprised, DC has more integrity than this.

knihc2008
01-11-2006, 06:47 PM
the 300c was sort of a bentley-rip off too. i think there was a chrysler ad that even claimed it being a bentley for much less.

Gromit
01-13-2006, 05:19 AM
This car is both original and well-designed.<p>Unfortunately the well-designed bits aren't original, and the original bits aren't well-designed.<p>If the best large American luxury car Chrysler can come up with looks like a Chinese copy of a Rolls-Royce Phantom, they really have lost the plot.<p>*shakes head in sorrow*

Rugbyplaya91
01-16-2006, 12:11 PM
the only think i like about this is the sunroof. it looks too mean to scrunched up and too much like once you get inside it's not going to let you out.

SV
01-17-2006, 04:45 PM
what's odd is the detroit news did this survey thingy with 10 panelists, and the results generally went as follows: loved the imperial, loved the camaro, loved the challenger, absolutely, passionately loathed anything smaller than a midsize sedan...shows what taste some people have in cars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> although this imperial is growing on me, i'll admit, i just think it's too tall judging from what i've seen so far. i just need to wait until i can see it in person, IF i can; chances are this thing won't make it to my auto show until next year if it does at all <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-17-2006, 07:35 PM
Read the article. The anti-import voices were all over; it is Detroit after all.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rick Anderson, a pipefitter at Ford Motor Co.'s Rouge plant, was so upset by the first Chinese car ever to make an appearance at the North American International Auto Show, that he refused to touch it or even set foot on its modest stand in the hallway of Cobo Center.<p>"Garbage!" said Anderson, 51, a Southfield resident and member of the 2006 Detroit News Automotive Consumer Panel, as he eyed the Geely 7151 CK sedan. "It's junk. It's Chinese. It's made with slave-labor rates. Don't ask me to get near it."</TD></TR></TABLE><p>People used to say that about Japaneses and Koreans, and...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Eight of the 10 panelists also panned the new Nissan Versa, an under-$12,000 subcompact hatchback slated to go on sale later this year.<br>"It's ugly," Dozier said.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yet everyone thumbed up on the Caliber.<p>Not saying the Versa is better than the Caliber, or the Caliber is better than the Versa. Dismissing a car and saying it's ugly has ignorance written all over it.<p>I am sorry but how were these people selected...<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>