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kilibre
12-01-2005, 01:49 AM
Hi<p>i'm at the Motorshow of Bologna, Italy. I take some scoop pics of the new concept car of citroen. Now is not visible at the stand :-)<p><A HREF="http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=412" TARGET="_blank">http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=412</A><p>Bye!<p>E.

drugmirko
12-01-2005, 03:06 AM
and some more from autoweel.nl:<p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14964.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14969.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14971.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14970.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14966.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14963.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14965.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14968.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14972.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14973.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/14974.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

Pavilion
12-01-2005, 05:38 AM
This concept is amazing! I can't find one aspect that I don't like.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
12-01-2005, 08:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pavilion</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This concept is amazing! I can't find one aspect that I don't like.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>hmm... both acces? there's no door on the rear end... <p>you load things in it by sliding rear window on to the roof and than you lift the shelf behind auxiliary rear seats! basicaly whole sistem RULES for me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> but, it's not wery practical for every day use....

bm88
12-01-2005, 09:09 AM
Love the steering wheel, main thing I do like infact.<p>Its innovative in a way that could see production, which is just great IMO.

Omar
12-01-2005, 01:34 PM
i don't understand why Citroen are even considering making another Pluriel, the current one isn't exactly selling like hot cakes. <p>Having said that, it looks good, but then so did the current Pluriel when it was unveiled.<p>BTW, can anyone come up with a REASONABLE explanation as to what that female is doing with that red sheet?? LOL

sanbar778
12-01-2005, 02:03 PM
Steering wheel is like the Mazda Senku concept...<br>

StevenZoz
12-01-2005, 02:22 PM
just out of curiosity, since im not familiar with the brands, what would be the equivalent company/price of a citroen or pugeot in America. Please PM me with the info because it is likely i will not remember to come back to this thread to check.

drugmirko
12-01-2005, 03:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sanbar778</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Steering wheel is like the Mazda Senku concept...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>nope.... they did that almost 35 years ago... well not them directly, Giugiaro did, on Maserati concept in 1971. (but Citroen did own Maserati those days <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> )<br>so, Mazda Senkus steering wheel falls under "what came first, chicken or the egg" question... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>and they have a history of concepts with fixed center of steering wheel and even one production model with it. placing whole instrument table on fixed center is nothing new or revolutionary. it's just logical next step...<p><br>here... mentioned oldy:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre5/maserati/boomerang/1971_maserati_boomerang_04_m.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>from allsportauto.com<p>beautifull <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

knihc2008
12-01-2005, 04:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MOORHOUSE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Love the steering wheel, main thing I do like infact.<p>Its innovative in a way that could see production, which is just great IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>no need for an airbag?

DSC-OFF
12-01-2005, 11:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>no need for an airbag?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Seeing as this is only a concept, theres most likely no airbag; however this proposal is very sage (although ive come up with it years ago), if and/or when its implemented into production there will be an airbag behind that instrument panel<br> <br>

drugmirko
12-02-2005, 01:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>no need for an airbag?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jesse</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Seeing as this is only a concept, theres most likely no airbag; however this proposal is very sage (although ive come up with it years ago), if and/or when its implemented into production there will be an airbag behind that instrument panel<br> <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>don't understand.... why it wouldn't need airbag? it has one! there's AIRBAG inscription on the lover part of the st.wheel!!!! I cant see the problem about placing the airbag.... since only the rim is rotating and central part with instruments is fixed, airbag can be placed with no dificulty. you can cram it where you want it and shape it as you like it, cause that central part is not turning arround and there's no need for round airbag placed directly in the middle of st.wheel.... and they probably used C4s steering wheel as basis.... it has fixed st.wheels center some controls on it and airbag....<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by drugmirko at 1:36 AM 12/2/2005</i>

knihc2008
12-02-2005, 02:53 AM
wait i don't understand, so it'll be behind the instruments and when the airbag deploys you'll have instrumentation flying straight at your face?<p>oh and the red buttons on the seat look cool but remind me of a bad acne problem.

drugmirko
12-02-2005, 05:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait i don't understand, so it'll be behind the instruments and when the airbag deploys you'll have instrumentation flying straight at your face?<p>oh and the red buttons on the seat look cool but remind me of a bad acne problem.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>no... it can be placed beneath instrumentation. there's at least a third of unused surface. because that central surface is standing still, airbag can be placed off centre and shaped asymmetrically to get max protection! it does not have to be round and in the centre ow the steering wheel as on classic st.wheels, where you have to take in consideration that airbag can deploy when st. wheel is just turned upside down. something like passengers airbag... it is also asymmetrically shaped and placed so, that you can still have glove compartments and places for leaving stuff on the dashboard without fear of getting something to your face....<p>here... airbags in C4 that hav steering wheel based on same princip... both airbags, passengers and drivers are asymmetrically shaped because they don't move arround:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.devazur.com/planete-citroen/public-html/c4/photos/76.jpg" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
12-02-2005, 10:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> don't understand.... why it wouldn't need airbag? it has one! there's AIRBAG inscription on the lover part of the st.wheel!!!! I cant see the problem about placing the airbag.... since only the rim is rotating and central part with instruments is fixed, airbag can be placed with no dificulty. you can cram it where you want it and shape it as you like it, cause that central part is not turning arround and there's no need for round airbag placed directly in the middle of st.wheel.... and they probably used C4s steering wheel as basis.... it has fixed st.wheels center some controls on it and airbag....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Indeed youre right, did not see the <i>Airbag</i> insignia, this coming from a man of details<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait i don't understand, so it'll be behind the instruments and when the airbag deploys you'll have instrumentation flying straight at your face?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Airbags deploy by way of the casing ripping open to give way to the deploying bag..this car baffled me for a second, but I noticed that the plastic/rubber around the edge of the steering wheel is pretty thin, so the bag could easily rip through that, maybe the instrumentation would be a very cheap replacement (or I might just be dreaming). A circuitous way of getting the same deploying effect would be for the surface cover in the steering wheel popping up & staying intact onto the steering wheel giving way for the bag below it to deploy<br>

drugmirko
12-02-2005, 11:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jesse</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>maybe the instrumentation would be a very cheap replacement (or I might just be dreaming). A circuitous way of getting the same deploying effect would be for the surface cover in the steering wheel popping up & staying intact onto the steering wheel giving way for the bag below it to deploy<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes, airbags rip through "weak" spots. usualy there's a thin line on the midle of steering wheel or on the dash infront of the passenger, where it deployes through. <p>so, instruments would not be affected during deployment so there's no need for their displacement during the deployment or their replacement after it... they can be as expensive as they want <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>and if I use C4 steering wheel (not as fancy one but also with fixed center), on static part of it, you can see that thin line under the Citroen logo, where airbag deployes through... without of danger that you'd end with big Citroen chevron stamped over your forhead afterwards. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><IMG SRC="http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/psa/c4/c4-data/images/c4-15.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by drugmirko at 12:00 PM 12/2/2005</i>

DrPetrus
12-02-2005, 03:24 PM
Larger pictures from babez.de including one or two new ones. While the interior design is as outrageous as any concept, I find the exterior to be somewhat toned down (compared to e.g. C-Sportlounge). It still manages to look sharp and exciting though. Could it be that this project is meant for production with small to none exterior changes. The lower glass in the doors will probably be replaced with similarly shaped plastic door protection. Personally I love this car and if it stays true to this concept I will buy one. <p><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic01.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic01.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic02.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic03.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic03.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic04.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic05.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic05.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic06.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic06.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic07.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic07.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic08.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic08.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic09.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic09.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic10.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic10.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic11.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic11.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic12.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic12.jpg</A>

Redline
12-02-2005, 07:24 PM
I'm not a fan of the doors, and the interior is a little too rubbery. Though I do think the organic controls are very interesting. Other than that it is pretty nice.

Nurburgring
12-02-2005, 09:04 PM
I think the wheels are HUGE for me! The ratio is messed.

drugmirko
12-04-2005, 12:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>hmm... both acces? there's no door on the rear end... <p>you load things in it by sliding rear window on to the roof and than you lift the shelf behind auxiliary rear seats! basicaly whole sistem RULES for me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> but, it's not wery practical for every day use....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>okay... besides spelling mistakes I was also wrong about that rear window sliding on to the roof. on those larger pictures that Dr.P posted we can see that rear window can't be slided upwards... it can be either removed (which makes loading stuff into the boot even more unpractical) or lowered into the boot itself...:<p><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic04.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic06.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.babez.de/citroen/cairplay/pic06.jpg</A>

Gian86
12-05-2005, 01:58 AM
Citroen is getting heaps better on design sinced the 60's. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
12-13-2005, 01:00 PM
According to AutoExpress magazine, this is going to be the next C2 and not the Pluriel. I dont know if this is confirmed by inside sources but thats what it says. I doubt that it will look as extravagant but lets just wait and see. Best Citroen concept for me was the C-Airlounge and it was tipped to be the next Picasso. Now it is indeed turning into the Picasso but it has lost most of its concept car appeal and looks very ordinary i reckon.

rallyfreak
12-13-2005, 09:58 PM
I for one love the proportions. Keep it under 1800 lbs, toss a 150 or higher horsepower engine in it with a nice shifting manual transmission, and ship that thing to the States! I'd be first in line for one.

roberthead
12-20-2005, 03:35 AM
The problem is not with concept cars, but with production cars, at Citroen - I am actually talking about distribution. Well, at least in Asia. I went to buy a plien air c2 convert, and was told that it could not be bought in Taiwan - the Taiwan distibutor would not order one for me. When I contacted Citroen, all I got back was a snooty form email telling me nothing. Too bad. The cars look great. <p>So, no matter the design, some cars sell in small numbers because the distibutors just don't want to sell them....urgh!<p>I am now trying to decide between a Smart or a Renault Megane....opinions???<p>

mzoltarp
12-25-2005, 07:17 AM
This is the type of vehicle GM or Ford needs to create and place in the Scion price range. This would also be a great type of vehicle for VW to replace the aging New (sic) Beetle.