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Chris_Doane
11-20-2005, 10:00 PM
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AXIS
11-20-2005, 10:05 PM
It looks good but I was hoping they would embrace a more modern desing.<br>When will the retro madness END!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
11-20-2005, 11:18 PM
HOLY sh**!!!!!<br>This is what Ive been waiting for. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

SELLER
11-20-2005, 11:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HOLY sh**!!!!!<br>This is what Ive been waiting for. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Me too.. that thing is AWESOME!!

knihc2008
11-20-2005, 11:57 PM
so retro.. even more so than the mustang. it's nice but, god, they couldn't be more original.

Pavilion
11-21-2005, 12:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so retro.. even more so than the mustang. it's nice but, god, they couldn't be more original.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree. For me, this is one of those cases where retro just doesnt feel right. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> I hope the camero concept is more modern in design, it might set it appart better from the mustang and the challenger.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

Gromit
11-21-2005, 12:51 AM
It's very neatly done, and let's face it - the original was a fine-looking car, so there's nothing wrong in using it for inspiration.<p>But there's nothing here to surprise-and-delight. This isn't what a 2006 Challenger should look like, 36 years after the original. It's reheated leftovers, not a new dish.

Nath
11-21-2005, 12:52 AM
I have to admit I'm starting to wonder where it's all going to end, with Ford making exact replicas of the Model T perhaps? Oh wait, thats already been done.

Speedster S
11-21-2005, 01:14 AM
WOW.....speechless

creon448
11-21-2005, 01:26 AM
I love this car. I think that this is a great comeback after the 05 Charger. The Charger is a great package, but the design is a bit unproportioned and awkward. This car however is absolutely stunning. If Chrysler builds this car, they will have yet another hit on their hands. When the next generation LX platform debuts in 09, I hope that Chrysler differentiates the interiors and uses better materials. The Charger and Magnum interiors are well put together but very bland and the door panels are very cheap.

Marticos
11-21-2005, 04:08 AM
That boredom always and alone style retro', are 5 or 6 years that to the NAIAS cars see themselves retro'. It hope to go out from the crisis building old cars? Without new ideas? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
11-21-2005, 04:55 AM
heard they were going back to retro so long ago.. finally they are showing it. looks good

Monkey
11-21-2005, 06:15 AM
One thing that the Mustang executed well from a retro perspective is the interior. Will Chrysler just slap in the same Magnum/Charger interior into the Challeneger if built? If so, they've lost part of the allure of going retro.

Pavilion
11-21-2005, 08:31 AM
The Charger concept and the Charger production car are completely different cars, I hope this will be the case again with the challenger. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see the general media and crowds reaction when the auto show comes around.<p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

SHEPO
11-21-2005, 09:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pavilion</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Charger concept and the Charger production car are completely different cars, I hope this will be the case again with the challenger. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see the general media and crowds reaction when the auto show comes around.<p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>hey, we don't like pessimists <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> ne ways, this car is freaking AWESOME!!!! bring it out dodge and eat a few GTO's for breakfast (the new ones, of course) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

DaDesign
11-21-2005, 10:17 AM
Thats as retro as it gets, its even more retro then the mustang. Man Now I can't wait till NAIAS... This will be great and alot of it looks very production like. Good job Dodge.

DoMiNo
11-21-2005, 10:29 AM
There's a line, past which Retro isn't cool anymore, and Dodge just crossed it. Thank God this is only a concept, because there's such a thing as taking retro too far.

Ascariss
11-21-2005, 11:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's a line, past which Retro isn't cool anymore, and Dodge just crossed it. Thank God this is only a concept, because there's such a thing as taking retro too far. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Would tend to agree, the car although looking ok, doesn't look that special. The 4 door charger looks better. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>As for the concept, it looks too production ready, so there is a high chance that it will be made sadly. I just hope they take some of the retro out of it.

GerjurdKing
11-21-2005, 12:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's a line, past which Retro isn't cool anymore, and Dodge just crossed it. Thank God this is only a concept, because there's such a thing as taking retro too far. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree. This falls in the line of the Mustang, T-bird, and Ford GT. The only difference is that I like the original Challenger styling so it scores higher than the others. This does not look like it would fit as a production model, good thing its just a concept. Right now it looks like something someone did with an original Challenger in the hopes of wowing the crowds at Sema. I hope the production model turns out to look a little more modern.

Redline
11-21-2005, 02:19 PM
I have to say, this is terrible. The design is acceptable, but the retro and the bit of current design that is there blend horribly. While it was made with good intentions and will probably be produced because of the Dodge fans who simply want it now, it is a pathetic attempt at a retro design and in my opinion a blemish to the name.

GerjurdKing
11-21-2005, 02:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to say, this is terrible. The design is acceptable, but the retro and the bit of current design that is there blend horribly. While it was made with good intentions and will probably be produced because of the Dodge fans who simply want it now, it is a pathetic attempt at a retro design and in my opinion a <b>blemish to the name</b>.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>This is exactly how I feel about the current Mustang.

DoMiNo
11-21-2005, 03:06 PM
I personally think that the Mustang does a better job of blending past with future than what I can see of the Challenger concept. Like someone said above, it looks like an update to an old Challenger someone threw together for SEMA.

caarmike
11-21-2005, 03:43 PM
I agree that this is just a reissue of the '70 Challanger, and I'm personally very disappointed with it. However, I understand why they did it. It was beacause Dodge enthusiats on the web kept screaming and screaming and screaming for it. This is what they wanted out of the Charger, and when the Charger wasn't it they started screaming even louder. Now Chrysler is giving the online Dodge enthusiast community EXACTLY what they asked for. And it better be successful, because if not, auto makers will never listen to us web forum posters again.

Pavilion
11-21-2005, 03:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FerrariSheppy36</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>hey, we don't like pessimists <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> ne ways, this car is freaking AWESOME!!!! bring it out dodge and eat a few GTO's for breakfast (the new ones, of course) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Who is this <I>we</I>, got a mouse in your pocket? J/K <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The more I think of it, the more the retro aspect of this car doesn't bother me so much as the the agressiveless style. The car should look intimidating and fresh. This production-looking concept makes me feel like they gave a 1975 model year continuation to the original. The 300 has more attitude than this car. <p>Of course, I would have to drive it to make my final judgement because I have no doubt that the engine has balls. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

AXLE
11-21-2005, 07:42 PM
I still don't know what to think of this. I love the stang because of its retro style, quality and overall package. I love muscle cars, hot-rods and rat-rods. They don't make cars like they used to, but they can try. I will reserve my final judgements for this untill more details and pictures come out but from what I can see its very retro.

the future
11-22-2005, 01:47 AM
I have always liked the Challenger's design. Among all the muscle cars from the 70's, it's the one I like most. Therefore, I am very happy that Dodge brings it back, that's the car I've been waiting for. Yes, it's a retro car, but I don't care - as long as it looks as good as this car!

cheongyei
11-22-2005, 02:49 AM
The Car Connection has two Brenda Priddy shots:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_09_Dodge_Challenger.S178.A9658.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
11-22-2005, 04:40 AM
woww, that will look retro very much indeed. Nice.

CanadaCraig
11-22-2005, 12:02 PM
I think it looks great. The front end is a little weak - just as the new Mustangs' front is weak - but otherwise - it's a beautiful car. For those of you who don't like 'retro' - that's fine. But a great design in a great design. Do you like the Mustang or the new GTO better? Do you like the new Impala or the 300C better? There is plenty of showroom space to please us all. If you don't like retro - you're in luck. There are lots of modern looking cars available. Help yourself.

DoMiNo
11-22-2005, 04:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pavilion</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The more I think of it, the more the retro aspect of this car doesn't bother me so much as the the agressiveless style. The car should look intimidating and fresh. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haha, sorry, it's just kind of ironic hearing that considering that your avatar is the Bel Air concept.

against the wall
11-22-2005, 04:51 PM
this car is beautiful but wayy to retro. its almost as if dodge took the original challenger exterior, gave it a modern front and rear, and put it on a new platform. hopefully it will get an awesome interior that isnt too retro or like any other of the dcx interiors (i.e. white gauge faces, same steering wheel in like 5 different models, etc.)

galv
11-24-2005, 07:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as if dodge took the original challenger exterior, gave it a modern front and rear, and put it on a new platform. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>sounds like someting Boyd Coddington would do, apart from the moden fascia thing

turbopilot
11-25-2005, 05:41 PM
I can't believe that people are bashing the Challenger for being too retro. Retro is what everyone wants!!!!! <br> Check the Mustang sales records and tell me if retro isnt what people want. Read the articles praising the Mustang for being the best thing since sliced bread. Compair this to the new Charger which got torn to shreads for its non-retro style and four doors. The bashing that the new Charger got says the fans (read: potential consumers) want the old names to look like/resemble the old cars. What about the GTO? The non aggressive, completly non-retro "modern style" of the GTO is the main reason that awesome 400hp drvietrain and suspension package dosent sell. Guys spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars taking these old musclecars and upgrading/modernizing the suspension, interiors and engines just to get what this Retro Challenger has!<br> Does everything have to get the modern egg shape with the companies trademark grill treatment? Designers take a terd shape (pointy on both ends) and insert their company grill and emblem, along with trademark tailights and call it modern design art. Its an amazing car and is something that I never dreamed they would build. I will be in line to get one. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by turbopilot at 5:27 PM 11/25/2005</i>

Pavilion
11-27-2005, 02:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Haha, sorry, it's just kind of ironic hearing that considering that your avatar is the Bel Air concept.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have the Bel Air as my avatar because it is my favorite pic of a great concept that my dad and I both got to sit in before I joined the military. Thats all. The Challenger, if it looks like this will do well IMO, but like I said before, there could be so much more to this car than just an update to the original.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
11-27-2005, 05:55 PM
the old challenger was the ONLY! american car i ever wanted ..<p>like IT!

Charger
12-02-2005, 01:52 PM
<A HREF="http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7987/dodgechallenger5vi.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img207.imageshack.us/im...i.jpg</A><br>source: MPH<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 4:07 PM 12/13/2005</i>

Monkey
12-03-2005, 10:53 AM
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galv
12-05-2005, 03:07 PM
they better not got o far and retro-up the interior.....but sadly they probably will

GoLeafsGO
12-06-2005, 01:41 PM
Allpar.com reports that the interior will be just about 100% transplanted from the Magnum and Charger. <p>Like most car magazine covers, this one is just slightly misleading. It starts at 28k, perhaps, but not with the 6.1 liter engine. From what I've read it'll be priced just like the Dodge LX cars, starting at 29,900 for the hemi model and well over 30 for the srt model.

Santeno
12-13-2005, 02:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>turbopilot</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't believe that people are bashing the Challenger for being too retro. Retro is what everyone wants!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>People want retro because it reminds them of what was good about a specific product. However as Yanksrule pointed out, this is practically a carbon copy of the old muscle car (From a stylistic POV that is). IMHO, that isn't necessarily such a good thing. The essence of retro design is to apply the best/most distinctive/most unique design characteristics of previous designs into a cohesive modern package. That is something the Mustang, and cars like the thunderbird, Pt cruiser, New Beetle, Prowler, HHR, and Viper, do very well. while Im' sure this will be a very throughly engineered car and worthy of the moniker "Muscle Car", I'm not so sure the styling works for me. It's just too close to the original for my liking. Maybe they should paint it red and sell it to the Duke boys (yes I know the Generl Lee was a Charger, but you get my drift).

SV
12-13-2005, 04:41 PM
what bugs me is that there's very little new about this car. very few people will get this comparison, but i realized this new challenger is like in a new movie when the same piece of music (from a score, not a song) is used two or three times during the film (or even more similarly, when, for a sequel, large parts of the soundtrack from a previous movie are inserted into the new one), which gets on my nerves whenever i notice it...to me, apart from some details, this car doesn't look modern at all (i realize that's partly the point of retro styling, but look at the new mustang: you can tell it's a modern car)

against the wall
12-13-2005, 07:00 PM
unless the new challenger has recent era lights, then the only thing modern about the exterior is the srt wheels.

MontrealMustang
12-16-2005, 11:33 AM
Personally I'm stoked. Modern cars just don't do it for me. Too rounded and similar. Some are nice, sure. Most aren't. Also that whole SUV/4 door hatchback craze is just blegh... Besides, people may say it's retro, but really nothing is retro, take a look at modern SUV's and look at a Model T 4 doors. They're just a modern version of the same thing, right down to the running boards if you option your Ford Explorer with that. So who's to say what's retro?<p>Another thing too is that stylewise cars have hit a wall. You can't get rounder than cars today and some designs are bleeding into each other. Like the new Volkswagen Jetta and the Toyota Corolla. Park one of each painted dark grey next to each other in a dimly lit room and you could have a contest to guess which one's which.<p>So yeah the new Challenger may be retro but a new one is cheaper (and faster) than an old restored one. There's a huge market for new musclecars. Besides, if you don't like it, don't buy it. There'll be plenty of Neons and Civics and WRXs for sale yet.

SV
12-16-2005, 10:14 PM
what's so bad about hatchbacks? they're quite practical, and often they look better than their sedan counterparts. and as for cars getting rounder and rounder:<p>1996<br><IMG SRC="http://www.myautomarket.com/March%202005pics/GR-97%20ford%20Taurus%203-21-05.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>2004<br><IMG SRC="http://www.nonstoptravel.net/2004-BMW-5-Series.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>you be the judge. not to start a war, it's just that, personally, i'm not stoked at all by a rehash (although i admit it looks nice) of a 30-year-old design. and i think you're being a bit vague with the T and the explorer being basically the same thing. they both have four wheels and are propelled by internal combustion engines powered by gasoline, yes, and in some cases, they both, indeed, have running boards. but the point of retro is to take styling cues from older cars and apply them to a newer design. look at the new mustang, thunderbird, and now this challenger. there's a bit more of a stylistic similarity between the original and modern interpretations of these cars than there is between a 1908 ford model T and a 2006 ford explorer. in fact, using your interpretation of retro, every automobile on the market today is a retro version of the original 1885 mercedes.<p>what i'm trying to say is, retro cars are victims of what you say afflicts most modern cars today - they look similar to other cars. retro cars are innovative only in that they copy designs from another period of time, as opposed to merely immitating cars still on the market. either way, there isn't much originality...although personally, i think cars today are plenty differentiated, and if designers took more "risks" to be different we'd have alot more azteks around...<p>to each their own (or w/e the saying is), but i just wanted to say my opinion <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

tavrvs
12-16-2005, 10:38 PM
Not to derail this thread totally, but SV, the 96-00 Taurus really isn't a good example- it was freakiskly oval, and most people agreed it was over-the-top. But if you take a BMW from a previous generation, compared to a new one, that is a valid comparison.<br> As for the Challenger, I can't say I'm a fan of it- I prefer more modern designs, and this concept is beyond retro- it's more replica. But I would be willing to bet it would be very popular if they released it basically as is- I imagine there are quite a few people who would love to have the looks of a classic car with modern safety, performance, and reliability, at a reasonable price.

bolita
12-19-2005, 12:51 PM
Thats it...I finally got it. Its not a retro design its a replica. That's the problem I have with this concept. Normally CHrysler is best (IMHO) from the US group of manufacturers when it comes to design but this Challenger concept doesn't cut it for me...

Charger
12-20-2005, 10:53 PM
WOW, looks way better than the spy pics<br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-24942-567237-25690/2008%20Challenger%20000.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...enger%20000.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-24942-567237-25691/2008%20Challenger%20001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...enger%20001.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-24942-567237-25692/2008%20Challenger%20002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...enger%20002.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-24942-567237-25693/2008%20Challenger%20003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...enger%20003.jpg</A>

Monkey
12-21-2005, 06:43 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I feel like drinking to celebrate

DaDesign
12-21-2005, 10:41 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> Those are some great pics Charger, I now truly love this car and the interoir is very retro as it should be, its also very production like, DCX has done it again. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
12-21-2005, 03:26 PM
True about the interior... I'm personally a fan of the Mustang's, and if DCX could stay faithful to the concept, this interior would be even nicer. I'm still not sold on the exterior, though... it still feels like I'm looking at a gussied-up '70 model.

Pavilion
12-21-2005, 03:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Monkey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I feel like drinking to celebrate</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I feel like drinking to forget the interior of this car.<p>On the other hand, the front exterior is growing on me.

galv
12-21-2005, 06:40 PM
the interiors fine, apart from teh gauges, but those wont make it to production anyways...and the 'challenger' badge really shouldnt be where it is , over the rear fender

GerjurdKing
12-21-2005, 09:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WOW, looks way better than the spy pics<br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-24942-567237-25690/2008%20Challenger%20000.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...enger%20000.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-24942-567237-25691/2008%20Challenger%20001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...enger%20001.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-24942-567237-25692/2008%20Challenger%20002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...enger%20002.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-24942-567237-25693/2008%20Challenger%20003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveSer...enger%20003.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>After seeing the 3rd pic, I understand. This car will be amazing. Also I love the modern take on the pistol grip shifter (pic 4). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

Monkey
12-22-2005, 06:52 AM
My friend restored a 73 Challenger....the interior looks very reminiscent of that, yet much more refined (modern).

Santeno
12-22-2005, 07:53 AM
Well I can honnestly say that I see a TON of 20 year olds, fresh out of boot camp, signing their first big check over to the local dodge dealer.<p>I wonder if this car cpmes with a free case of Busch or Milwakee's Best in the trunk? Just looking at it makes me want to grow a mullet. Damn, now I need to go get a haircut...<p>Like I said before, I hope this is a truly succesful car for DCX, but somehow i don't see it cutting heavily into mustang sales, unless it's noticeably cheaper. The replica styling will appeal to many at first, but I just don't see it having long term appeal. After the initial interest (and the WILL be interest), I see this cars sales mimicing those of the Thunderbird and PT Cruiser (not in numbers, but in the general curve).

pwt1313
12-22-2005, 02:07 PM
Just got my Feb 2006 Car & Driver lots of great pictures and info. Can anyone scan? My scanner is not working. <p>I have a 2005 Mustang GT (5spd manual) and I can honestly say that I like this!<br> <br>I would love to see it black though. I also love the fact that it doesn't have a spoiler ruining its rear end.

AXLE
12-22-2005, 05:50 PM
Well its official...........<p><br>I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY KICKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

velsatis
12-23-2005, 05:43 AM
Here they go again....<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

SELLER
12-23-2005, 10:22 AM
No B pillar.. YES.. finally something with some damn BALLS!!<p>This thing is so awesome. While the Mustang and 'Camaro Concept' both seem to be modern-sports-cars based on muscle car designs.. This Challenger actually LOOKS like a Muscle Car, its big.. its wide.. it doesnt look like it can handle all that well, and thats cool with me.. I just want a big badass muscle car.<p>Black, 22's, dropped, sound system.. straight badass. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SELLER at 9:52 AM 12/23/2005</i>

knihc2008
12-23-2005, 01:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SELLER</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No B pillar.. YES.. finally something with some damn BALLS!<p><i>Modified by SELLER at 9:52 AM 12/23/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>if no b-pillars is what it takes for a car to have some balls, you should go to a mercedes dealer. it looks as though my post got deleted but i don't know why me saying that this looks like a fat, bloated and gross interpretation of a muscle car (look at those curved, bloated shapes. the undefined lines. this looks like a powerful heavyweight muscle car who stopped working out and became all flabby) should be deleted while all the praises and yay-sayings of teh car shouldn't.

SELLER
12-24-2005, 12:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>it looks as though my post got deleted but i don't know why me saying that this looks like a fat, bloated and gross interpretation of a muscle car (look at those curved, bloated shapes. the undefined lines. this looks like a powerful heavyweight muscle car who stopped working out and became all flabby) should be deleted while all the praises and yay-sayings of teh car shouldn't.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I TREMENDOUSLY disagree. Everything you hate about it, I love. I'm tired of things being made because "Technology has gotten better".. we need to go back to the late 60's with our 'American' sports cars.. Lately America has become to 'Japanese'.. We Americans are the kings of making BIG, gas sucking, SUV's.. its time we use that attitude towards some niche "American Muscle Cars".<p>I love this, and I can already tell Chevy is doing nothing too special with the Camaro, its going to be another watered down vehicle once it hits production.. Just like the Mustang (Concept was awesome, production was too lame for me to consider buying, they just took too much of 'something' away from the concept)

mzoltarp
12-25-2005, 06:53 AM
Assuming they can build the concept car without watering it down, it will be a massive hit. Ford is no doubt already planning their counter attack with the news that a Camaro is on the way. Maybe DCX will do the next Charger with better style than the current "interestlingly" styled model.

SELLER
12-29-2005, 10:20 PM
<A HREF="http://photobucket.com/albums/y246/vdubjetta/?action=view&current=NAIAS001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg</A>

Charger
12-29-2005, 10:53 PM
WOW, that's all I have to say.<br><A HREF="http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=516" TARGET="_blank">http://www.allpar.com/forums/i...d=516</A>

mzoltarp
12-30-2005, 07:03 AM
Just gives Ford 4 years to come up with something better.

knihc2008
12-30-2005, 06:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SELLER</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I TREMENDOUSLY disagree. Everything you hate about it, I love. I'm tired of things being made because "Technology has gotten better".. we need to go back to the late 60's with our 'American' sports cars.. Lately America has become to 'Japanese'.. We Americans are the kings of making BIG, gas sucking, SUV's.. its time we use that attitude towards some niche "American Muscle Cars".</TD></TR></TABLE><p>with gas prices the way they are, i don't think it'd be the smartest move for american cars to go en route to gas sucking SUV-style muscle cars. you're right, americans are all about excess, too much of everything, and no efficiency whatsoever, and i think that's what makes this car to me so grotesque; it's too large, it's too heavy, it's too bloated. despite your want to go back to them good old anti-technology-has-gotten-better days, the only thing untechnological about this car is it's skin, irony and contradiction in itself.

against the wall
12-30-2005, 09:07 PM
the interior isnt actually that bad. not the best, but not bad at all.<br>the engine looks HOT <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
12-30-2005, 09:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>with gas prices the way they are, i don't think it'd be the smartest move for american cars to go en route to gas sucking SUV-style muscle cars. you're right, americans are all about excess, too much of everything, and no efficiency whatsoever, and i think that's what makes this car to me so grotesque; it's too large, it's too heavy, it's too bloated. despite your want to go back to them good old anti-technology-has-gotten-better days, the only thing untechnological about this car is it's skin, irony and contradiction in itself.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wow, sounds like someone has a deeply rooted resentment and guilt about what you believe to be the american lifestyle. Fact is, if the Challenger is built, not every version will come with the 6.1 liter gas-guzzler, and the cost to the consumer for purchasing the larger engine will undoubtedly make the regular 5.7 a more popular choice. If anything, this concept proves that automakers are at least trying to have both fuel economy AND performance since it does incorporate a very modern 6-speed auto into the powertrain. I also find it a little suspect that you claim that it is too heavy and bloated when no specs about weight have been released, nor have any specs related to fuel-saving technology (like MDS) have been announced. Yeah, you may not like it, but theres a huge chunk of the population who would disagree with everything you just said.

knihc2008
12-30-2005, 09:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I also find it a little suspect that you claim that it is too heavy and bloated when no specs about weight have been released, nor have any specs related to fuel-saving technology (like MDS) have been announced. Yeah, you may not like it, but theres a huge chunk of the population who would disagree with everything you just said.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>the new car and driver says this car is to weight around 4100 pounds. uh, wow. and the last time i checked a 6.1 hemi got 14/19, which is pretty bad. doesn't sound like very promising stats to me.

JBlair
12-30-2005, 10:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>the new car and driver says this car is to weight around 4100 pounds. uh, wow. and the last time i checked a 6.1 hemi got 14/19, which is pretty bad. doesn't sound like very promising stats to me.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Keep in mind those fuel economy figures are for a 5-speed auto-equipped vehicle, and that weight figure sounds off. Last time I checked, the 4 door 300C, which is longer than the Challenger, weighed in at 4046 pounds. Minus those two doors and at least a foot worth of total length, the challenger would have a hard time weighing in at 4100.

knihc2008
12-30-2005, 10:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Keep in mind those fuel economy figures are for a 5-speed auto-equipped vehicle, and that weight figure sounds off. Last time I checked, the 4 door 300C, which is longer than the Challenger, weighed in at 4046 pounds. Minus those two doors and at least a foot worth of total length, the challenger would have a hard time weighing in at 4100.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>a quick google search reveal that a charger weighs 4100 and while the 300c weighs 4046 a 300c srt-8 with the 6.1 in question weighs 4160, and besides, any sort of sports car tipping two tons on the scale is just plain bloated.

JBlair
12-31-2005, 12:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>a quick google search reveal that a charger weighs 4100 and while the 300c weighs 4046 a 300c srt-8 with the 6.1 in question weighs 4160, and besides, any sort of sports car tipping two tons on the scale is just plain bloated.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Read carefully what I said knihc; the charger is going to be significantly smaller than the rest of the LX-based vehicles which will result in a significant weight reduction. Your weight figures are off by a bit as well. (check chrysler's site; the SRT8 weighs the same as the regular 300C).

62Lincoln
01-01-2006, 04:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> the charger is going to be significantly smaller than the rest of the LX-based vehicles which will result in a significant weight reduction.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>According to Car and Driver: "Don't expect the Challenger to weigh significantly less than the Charger's roughly 4100 pounds". Since they were doing a feature article on the car, I would expect that the info came directly from DCX. FWIW.

JBlair
01-01-2006, 11:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>62Lincoln</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>According to Car and Driver: "Don't expect the Challenger to weigh significantly less than the Charger's roughly 4100 pounds". Since they were doing a feature article on the car, I would expect that the info came directly from DCX. FWIW. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That would be C&D's hypothesizing, not DCX info. (otherwise it would have shown up in the MT article as well, and it did not). Like I said, with the difference in size, there is no way in hell this thing will weigh 4100 pounds.

Naga Royal Guard
01-01-2006, 12:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That would be C&D's hypothesizing, not DCX info. (otherwise it would have shown up in the MT article as well, and it did not). Like I said, with the difference in size, there is no way in hell this thing will weigh 4100 pounds.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>watch your tone in addressing other members, k?

-Peter-
01-01-2006, 12:17 PM
WOW, regular 5.7 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>2.0 is something you can call regular in europe, (in smaller cars like corolla 1,6 is most common) and thats enough for cars that weight half the weight of 300C. <p>

jwfisher
01-01-2006, 01:22 PM
Very nicely done Challenger, although it is too too big and way too heavy for a sports coupe. I have to wonder if that is the minimum they can cut that chassis down to.<br>I'd really like to see them build it... a few inches shorter and much lighter. And NOT mechanically <I><B>dumbed down</B></I> like the poor Mustang concept was (see post part way down the page):<br><A HREF="http://www.jwfisher.com/sec-blog/2005/11/24.html#a1018" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jwfisher.com/sec-bl...a1018</A>

62Lincoln
01-01-2006, 01:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That would be C&D's hypothesizing, not DCX info. (otherwise it would have shown up in the MT article as well, and it did not). Like I said, with the difference in size, there is no way in hell this thing will weigh 4100 pounds.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Now you're hypothesizing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> C/D might have actually thought to ask the question, whereas M/T didn't. Don't know. I will say that I trust C/D to know which questions to ask, whereas I don't even pick up a M/T for the opposite reason. YMMV.<p>Edit: Skimmed the C/D article again, the Challenger concept, 197.8 inches in length, is <I>longer</I> than the Chrysler 300. Perhaps the added length cancels most of the weight loss from the shorter wheelbase. Did M/T include that info?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by 62Lincoln at 5:01 PM 1/1/2006</i>

jwfisher
01-01-2006, 04:23 PM
We've already got the 3900 pound Shelby coupe... and that pig (58% front weight balance) is not built on Mercedes architecture.<p>4100 pounds for a 190+ inch long and very wide car with an iron block would not be impossible... and this is not a hypothesis.

JBlair
01-01-2006, 07:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>62Lincoln</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Now you're hypothesizing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> C/D might have actually thought to ask the question, whereas M/T didn't. Don't know. I will say that I trust C/D to know which questions to ask, whereas I don't even pick up a M/T for the opposite reason. YMMV.<p>Edit: Skimmed the C/D article again, the Challenger concept, 197.8 inches in length, is <I>longer</I> than the Chrysler 300. Perhaps the added length cancels most of the weight loss from the shorter wheelbase. Did M/T include that info?<p><br><i>Modified by 62Lincoln at 5:01 PM 1/1/2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>What questions? The pictures all came from a press-packet and almost every mag is reporting different specs about the vehicle. (meaning that Chrysler likely has not released any specs to the mags besides the engine's) What is also not mentioned is the fact that the concept is based on the LX platform, while the production vehicle will be based on LY. (so it will very likely have a different wheelbase and overall length) <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The new LY Dodge Challenger is planned for the 2007-2008 calendar year. LY is the platform designator for the second-generation LX cars (we know it's an unfortunate designation). The Challenger may ride a shorter wheelbase to decrease weight, but on the other hand, it may simply be a two-door variant, much as the Charger was a two-door version of the Coronet. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>check out allpar; they have posted a compilation of all the articles and they ALL contradict each other on several key specs.

knihc2008
01-01-2006, 10:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>62Lincoln</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Edit: Skimmed the C/D article again, the Challenger concept, 197.8 inches in length, is <I>longer</I> than the Chrysler 300. Perhaps the added length cancels most of the weight loss from the shorter wheelbase. Did M/T include that info?<p><br><i>Modified by 62Lincoln at 5:01 PM 1/1/2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>i thought i saw that somewhere. the challenger actually has a foot shorter wheelbase but the designers said they wanted the long-overhang look so they stretched those out, which made the overall car longer. i have no reason to believe this car, then, will NOT be much lighter than the 300C, especially since this muscle car will need somewhat more reinforcement for it to handle and corner better than your run-of-the-mill 300C.

JBlair
01-01-2006, 11:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i thought i saw that somewhere. the challenger actually has a foot shorter wheelbase but the designers said they wanted the long-overhang look so they stretched those out, which made the overall car longer. i have no reason to believe this car, then, will NOT be much lighter than the 300C, especially since this muscle car will need somewhat more reinforcement for it to handle and corner better than your run-of-the-mill 300C.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Again, don't compare it to the current 300C, because the production Challenger will ride on a completely different platform.

knihc2008
01-01-2006, 11:55 PM
it will? says who?

jwfisher
01-02-2006, 03:26 AM
The platform is coming up for refresh in the same timeframe. To get the financial benefits of parts and assembly line sharing, the Challenger has to go on the 300C platform and be built on the same line (or a second line building the same cars, since the current line is near it's limit).<br>So, D-C wouldn't introduce a new car on a platform that is about to be updated. And the platform won't be "completely different", it will be a tiny bit different.<br>And, when it's updated it certainly won't loose hundreds of pounds.<br> <br>Therefore, the Challenger won't be introduced until the platform is refreshed, and it will weigh a LOT. Since the 300C platform is imposed on the Challenger, it will carry the plusses and the minuses of the 300C parent.<br>That's not to say they won't "dumb it down" like the poor Mustang... but even then the size of the Challenger is already fixed. And it will therefore be heavy. 425 horses won't go as far as you'd hope... it will be a mid-13 second car.

mzoltarp
01-02-2006, 07:48 AM
Go drive a Mustang. The "dumbed down" chassis is well planted and has excellent responses.

kuules
01-02-2006, 01:53 PM
big photos 800x600:<p><A HREF="http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26be.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3356/26be.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14ky.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/336/14ky.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49ej.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2357/49ej.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59xo1.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4417/59xo1.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

jwfisher
01-02-2006, 03:53 PM
I have - several on road race tracks. I stand on what I said based on this experience and 25+ years of road racing. It's "dumbed down. It's all Ford was capable of producing.<br>Let's hope DC doesn't do this to the Challenger.

Gian86
01-02-2006, 05:07 PM
This concept will be original thanks to retro styling and hemi engine. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-02-2006, 07:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it will? says who?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>JWFisher hit the nail on the head for the most part. The current LX platform will be due for replacement by the time the Challenger comes to market, so DCX isn't going to waste the time and money to build it on an outdated platform. Also, I believe that the LY platform will get more DCX plant space so as to allow for greater production numbers. <p>There very well could be a weight reduction, as none of the specs of the Challenger are yet fixed, nor are any of the other mechanical components.

mzoltarp
01-03-2006, 07:07 AM
Name ANY rear drive V8 vehicle that has the Mustang's moves for 25-30k. The only one that comes close is the GTO which sells 7-10k more than a Mustang for precious little handling advantage.

Gian86
01-03-2006, 09:01 PM
Here's some pics from thecarconnection.com that u guys didn't see it before:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/thumbnails/1767.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/thumbnails/1768.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/thumbnails/1769.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/thumbnails/1771.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/thumbnails/1773.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Finally, Dodge have got it right for concept version, love some parts like front and rear look, interior with sporty retro dashboard and of course the badging. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian86 at 6:34 PM 1/4/2006</i>

mzoltarp
01-05-2006, 07:01 AM
Just got my Road and Track yesterday and I was shocked by how HUGE the Challenger is. I'm definitely smitten by it, but lordy its yacht sized.

jwfisher
01-05-2006, 04:11 PM
Exactly... this is not a sporting car. It's way too big, too heavy. It is on a sophisticated chassis, but it's too big.

knihc2008
01-06-2006, 03:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just got my Road and Track yesterday and I was shocked by how HUGE the Challenger is. I'm definitely smitten by it, but lordy its yacht sized.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jwfisher</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Exactly... this is not a sporting car. It's way too big, too heavy. It is on a sophisticated chassis, but it's too big.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>THANK YOU my thoughts exactly. it's those long overhangs that kill this car's proportions. it will appeal to those who love that large, yacht-sized inefficient muscle-car days of yore, but alas those days are over.

mzoltarp
01-06-2006, 04:52 PM
The proportions are perfect. It's the sheer size that is off.

aribus
01-07-2006, 09:04 AM
I love the look. These classic muscle car proportions are in line with what I desire from a modern american sports car. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think all sports cars should follow suit. I like the fact that most cars have a aerodynamic basis for their designs. It makes sense. There's a huge market for practically designed sports cars that put function over form. But american muscle cars have never really been about that. This design stands out from the rest of the pack. This works for the mustang as well, although the challenger sticks with the expected classic muscle car elements more closely. <p>It's kind of rediculous. You know civics and evos are going to outhandle it, but that's what makes it so cool. You expect the driver to not care what's going around him (or her). Here you are in this big cool looking american made muscle car, big engine out in front ready to lay waste to other cars at the stoplight... if you feel like it. There's an image that goes along with a design like this. I think that even without proper press materials and advertising, the design sells itself, at least to me. I know many my age may hate the idea of such a car, but I have always been a fan of muscle cars and I love it.<p>....although, with the current GTO being able to handle well, i'd like to see this Challenger do the same.

jwfisher
01-07-2006, 09:11 AM
I like the look, too... but it could have been another 25% larger and it'd still look good. <br> <br>But the question is, how big is too big? If it'd been the size of the original Challenger (which itself was outsized), could we live with it now? Or, another way of looking at it, what's the minimum size engine bay you need for the Hemi and then design the car from there. The answer is, a LOT smaller.<br> <br>"Current GTO" - that car is out of production... so while the pipeline is long, the car is dead.

Ascariss
01-08-2006, 12:04 PM
much larger pics:<p><A HREF="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//dodgechal01.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://premium1.uploadit.org/a...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//dodgechal02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://premium1.uploadit.org/a...2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//dodgechal03.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://premium1.uploadit.org/a...3.jpg</A><p>I can post up the others, but there really is no point.

Gian86
01-08-2006, 07:17 PM
Motor show pics:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/04.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/05.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/06.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/07.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/08.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/09.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/10.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/11.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/13.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/dodge/challenger/images/14.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Autoweek.com

megadethmartyr
01-08-2006, 10:34 PM
if the give the ol Hemi a kick to 6.9L and make it a true 426, than the Charger can be forgiven. This is what muscle cars are about. Big engines, huge sound, and a thorn in the side of every tree hugger. gotta love it.

DaDesign
01-10-2006, 10:18 AM
anyone know where I can watch the full intro for this and other cars, someone posted a link in the videos section last year with all the videos for chrysler, but I cant find it now.<p>BTW this car looks great cant wait to see it in person this saturday!

drugmirko
01-10-2006, 12:57 PM
I like Camaro concept waaay more than that... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

spikes111
01-12-2006, 09:45 PM
I'd have to respectfully disagree, the challenger is so much better looking than the Camaro. The challenger looks powerful without looking like it's trying so hard. The new camaro's stylig is just trying too hard IMO.

mzoltarp
01-13-2006, 07:40 AM
Long story short: muscle cars are back and they have the performance and handling of far more expensive cars with iconic style that screams AMERICAN. Yeah they aren't hybrids. Yeah they wont get the best mileage, but wow the grins when they get driven will be worth it. I'd love to see a V8 RWD Hyundai Tiburon because I think the pony car market will be big and it will be a source of major profitability for the Americans and a major challence for the Europeans and Asians.

ndjan
01-14-2006, 11:46 PM
Yeah the camaro looks too "concept" and edgy. The appeal of the charger is its simplicity.

the cheddar
01-18-2006, 09:06 AM
Breaking news...<p>Woman Poses Naked on Car at Auto Show <br>- <br>Wednesday, January 18, 2006 <p>(01-18) 05:57 PST DETROIT (AP) --<p>City officials are trying to figure out how a woman sneaked into the North American International Auto Show after closing time to pose naked atop the new Dodge Challenger.<p>It happened around 2:30 a.m. Monday when only workers and security guards were supposed to be inside Cobo Center.<p>Guards found the woman and about a dozen gawkers taking photographs with camera phones, workers told The Detroit News.<p>"We heard they were all over the Challenger," said Jason Vines, a spokesman for the Chrysler Group, which earlier had tried to give its cars more sex appeal by bringing in fully clothed "Desperate Housewives" star Eva Longoria to pose at its exhibit.<p>Cobo Director Glenn Blanton said disciplinary action will be taken if employees were involved in the security breach.<p>___<p>Information from: The Detroit News,

spikes111
01-18-2006, 11:08 AM
Cheddar I just read that too hah. Now, to find those pics <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

the cheddar
01-19-2006, 11:47 PM
Okay people, let's get on it! We need some spyshots here!

coolbluelb
01-21-2006, 08:28 PM
<A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/news/02-medium/nekkid-challenger.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...r.jpg</A><p>think this is a chop

br8615
07-01-2006, 07:28 AM
UPDATE: Chrysler is crashing the muscle-car party with plans to build a production version of the Dodge Challenger coupe that debuted as a retro-styled concept car in January at the Detroit auto show. The automaker plans to herald the return of the Challenger at the Pepsi 400 in Daytona, Fla., on Saturday, according to people familiar with the plans. The Challenger concept, a rear-wheel drive coupe, drew raves from enthusiasts for its old-school looks and growling 425-horsepower V-8 engine.(Detroit News)(6-30-2006)(jayski.com)<br>

mzoltarp
07-03-2006, 05:32 AM
Everyone repeat after me: Duhh! Of course they were going to build it all along.

Gian86
07-03-2006, 11:48 PM
Yeahhh!!! Bring it on. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

rosmakloma
08-07-2006, 06:07 PM
new Challenger image released for upcoming Need for Speed game...<p><A HREF="http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/218/933691_20060807_screen001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/ima...1.jpg</A><br>

StevenZoz
08-09-2006, 12:10 AM
jeez. need for speed has more games that come out than apple has updates for its product lines.

Jordmaniac
08-22-2006, 01:48 PM
<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rosmakloma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>new Challenger image released for upcoming Need for Speed game...</B><br><A HREF="http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/218/933691_20060807_screen001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/ima...1.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>the audi le mans concept will be in it as well

DaDesign
08-23-2006, 09:16 PM
I just saw the trailer for the game too and the main car is the challenger too.

erzhik
08-27-2006, 11:58 PM
oh man, this is going to be a HIT!! <br>

haji
10-31-2006, 06:29 AM
here's the latest "Hemi Super Stock Concept"...<br><A HREF="http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/10/30/392-hemi-dodge-challenger-super-stock-concept/#more-4331" TARGET="_blank">http://www.leftlanenews.com/20...-4331</A>

DaDesign
10-31-2006, 10:32 AM
oh that last is nice!!!